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The reason I ask is that I REALLY like the new Mustang.....but. I must have the capacity to carry my kids on a semi-regular basis, so I've been leaning towards the RX-8 instead. Was there anything about your RX-8 purchase that you ever regretted in hindsight?
I'll consider the GTO, too.
Rear seat room was "nice" to have in the RX8. I used the back seat a few times and my passengers appreciated the ease of the "half" doors for entry/exit, but it's not a priority for me. Short of the 1/2 doors for entry/exit, living in the back seat of either car won't be good for big people for more than jaunts around town. They will suffice for children, though.
That said, the GTO has wonderful back seats (and front seats, too).
In all honesty, another RX8 isn't out of the realm of possibility, either. I regretted nothing about my RX8 purchase. It's a true sports car that can hold 4. It's a blast to drive.
RX8 MPG wasn't good, but it isn't going to be good with a V8 car, either.
I probably wouldn't have given the Mustang a 2nd thought if my sister hasn't been looking at them, too. After getting behind the wheel and actually driving one while shopping with her, I have to admit that it's quite a good piece. It handles nicely. Brakes well. It's nicely finished and assembled. While the RX8 isn't a slouch in the performance dept....the Mustang GT is absolutely ferrocious by comparison.
Adding to that, the price is very, very appealing.
For the back seat accomodations and the front seat comfort, I'd strongly consider the '05 GTO if it cost $5,000 less. They are more softly sprung that the Mustang GT, but match it for acceleration (more or less). The '04s around here are all automatics and those are the only one's you can get a deal on. DOn't want an automatic. It's trunk is unuseable to me, though. The Mustang's trunk is large by comparison and bigger than the trunk that the RX8 has. If the General slaps some rebates on them for end of month, I'll strongly consider a GTO.
The down side with the Mustangs currently, is that the GT model is in short supply. If I bought one, I'd probably have to order it. While I've got a rental car now, I'm going to have to give it up next week. My son has a car and we'll end up sharing it for two months if I ordered the Mustang. That's not something I would look forward to doing since neither he nor I are will be that fond of sharing it with our widely different schedules.
Of course, who knows what kind of smokin' deals one can make on leftover GTO's, Mustang GT's, or RX-8s by this time NEXT year.....
The downside to the GTO are "spongy" brakes and a long, rubbery shifter. It does feel "heavy" when compared to the Mustang, too. The styling is a subjective thing. I think the '05 GTO looks much better than the '04. But, the '04 was such a "bland" looking car to begin with, I'm not sure it really matters.
The 2 things that I can't get out of my head are the way comfy and supportive seats (both front and back) and the growl the LS2 engine emits. Of course, the Mustang has it's own "growl" that's great, too. Plus, it has a way more useable trunk.
The price differential between the Mustang and the '05 GTO is substantial (to the tune of about $4k-$5K). That also enters into the equation. The GTO would be more pallatable if it were more closely priced to the Mustang GT.
If I didn't have to make a move fairly quickly, I'd probably hold out by ordering the Mustang. But, given my time constraints, I may get another RX8 or take a chance that I can live with a very nice GTO.
Any info on this would really be appreciated! We both love the car, the stereo rocks, it's comfortable, it is SO much fun to drive. I'm 5'2'' and dont have a problem with visiblity and our kids (10 and 12) are comfortable in the back.
Thanks!
Sometimes dealers are loath to correctly diagnose electrical issues because there are so many varialbes and so many drain devices in modern cars that they can be akin to finding a needle in a haystack.
The good news is, rarely do volume models (which the Mustang is) have electrical "gremlins". It just so happens yours does. While it's a pain, the more you take it back to the dealership, they will be able to rule certain things out as the cause and focus on what is the problem.
My gut tells me it's something simple but hard to find.
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#1555 of 1637 2005 Mustang V 6 Gas problems by sportscardkid Jan 24, 2005 (5:56 pm)
"I recently purchased a 05 mustang. not only am i getting bad mileage, 13 miles to the gallon, but am having problems putting gas in. As i pump, or let it do it on auto, it stops like the tank is full. However, it is not full. It usually pumps 5 gallons and then stops. Just wondering if anyone else is having this problem.
Thanks"
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I have a 2005 Mustang V-6 (automatic) and I am having the same problem as you with filling the tank. I have to hold the gas pump at a certain angle and keep adjusting the angle every time it shuts off in order for it to continue filling. I thought it was just me but I've had other people gas up my car with the same results. Anyone else out there with this problem? If so, have you been able to resolve it?
As far as gas mileage - I'm getting about 20 mpg. Maybe your mpg is not accurate because the tank wasn't actually full when you figured it out. I usually have to turn the key to accessory and check the gauge inside the car to see when it's full since the gas pump just continually shuts off every couple of gallons.
Personally, two of the dealers in my area were offering my "X" plan, but that was only on an ordered car. IF you find one, then the rest usually follow suit.
Mine is locked in to be built the week after next. My hope is that it will be delivered by the end of MArch, first of April.
Good luck!
I see you ordered the Mustang. Better not let the GTO buys/gals hear about it, (ha, ha). You might be banned for life from that group. ;}
What made you go ahead and get the Mustang over the other, was it price/trunk space? Or more?
Found the same thing on the "X"-plan with a company I used to work for. You either had to take a car with a specific option package or could only use it for an ordered car. One year, the plan was only good on plain-jane, base models, not offered on a vehicle you really wanted. For example, I could have used it for a regular F-150, but not a Lightning. Not sure if it was the employer, Ford or both that cooked that one up.
I'm kind of on the fence of getting a Mustang. Kind of waiting for the aftermarket to catch up with springs (car looks better a little lower, like the racers I saw on Saturday, who BTW won 1-2 in the GT event), exhaust, wheels, you know, the basics. Plus I want to see if there will be any Mach, CS, or dare I hope and pray Shelby-like or Boss models intro'd in the next model year or so. Not really going to include the Cobra.
The GTO, on the other hand, is less than the sum of its parts in my estimation.
There were several things that made me choose the Mustang over the GTO.
--no matter what amyones says, the performance is pretty much equal between the GTO and The Mustang GT. I just read another article just today that stated the Mustang GT turned a 4.9 sec 0-60, which was exactly the same as the '05 GTO's time.
Mustang's trunk is indeed bigger.
The Mustang is much lighter on its feet than the GTO.
I do like the interior of both and both ride well. The Mustang is more easily controled than the GTO.
Styling is subjective, but I like the Mustang look much better.
Then, there's the matter of price. In real world pricing, there's about a $4,500 difference between a GTO (costing more) over a Muatang GT similarly equipped.
All of this made the Mustang GT fairly compelling compared to the competion, regardless what it is.
True. They are pretty much matched-up. but many think that just because it has 400hp it's automatically faster. Kind of like every Chevy 350 makes 350hp.
Then, there's the matter of price. In real world pricing, there's about a $4,500 difference between a GTO (costing more) over a Mustang GT similarly equipped.
That's a lot of chedda in difference. Plus don't forget the gas guzzler tax of $1300 for the auto. But if you get the stick, you avoid the tax but you're hit for $695. So you "save" $605. And I like the fact that the Ford runs on regular, the GTO has to use premium. I'm sure you could run regular with too much trouble, but performance will suffer and what's the point of having a "performance" car that can't perform?
I agree on every other point as well. I just think overall the Mustang has soul, the Poncho just doesn't. Good car, but it just doesn't have "it". Another thing I like is that the Mustang is optionable. Meaning, you can get more than one version whereas the Pontiac is take it as is.
But if you paid X plan price plus $400 documentation fee then you're $400 in the hole. Most people forget about that.
Sounds unlikely to me so I will keep a close eye on it.
I'm turning in a lease car next week so there won't be any more problems with it sitting for days at a time. It's a great car. I never fail to have someone ask me about it where ever I go. I'm looking forward to many happy years - if there are no further problems with the battery.
X plan.
The dealer can charge for dealer installed options, but not "extra conditioning" (which rules out those bogus addendum stickers with fancy wax that they try to charge outrageous amounts for.
No special "handling fees" or "market adjustment" fees are allowed either.
I've got a redfire GT Premium on order with IUP, ICAP, active anti-theft and side airbags. Acoording to my dealer, it's scheduled to be built the 3rd week of March. Don't know if that means next week or the week after.
My sincere hope is that it will be delivered to the dealer the last week of March. That would make it exactly 6-7 weeks from the date of order.
I'm looking forward to it. I bought under X plan. From what I'm hearing from other people who have ordered and other dealers, Ford has the entire build out of the '05 Mustang just about sold out on the dealer level. If my order runs into problems (or the dealer tries to sell mine to a walk-in retail customer (not totally unheard of), then I either have to wait and order an '06, or take my chances on finding a GT in dealer's stock (next to impossible around my 'burg).
Plan "B" will be to get a GTO (which GM is rebating) since there are plenty of those around, or get another RX8 (which is plentiful).
"With clean wheelspin invoking not the slightest bit of axle tramp, the GT reaches 60 in just 4.9 sec.- with a healthy chirp on the 1-2 shift- and charges through the quarter mile in 13.5, both times an eye-popping 0.4 sec. quicker than our original road test car's"
That puts it within a hair of the '05 GTO, which has 100 more HP. Pretty impressive.
I just saw the aluminum dash (IUP)). I thought I had liked the "minimalist look" of the standard dash. The aluminum dash looks quite stunning on the Mustang.
Hope (fingers crossed) I'll have mine in the driveway (with IUP) fresh from the factory within the next 2-3 weeks.
Still, the Mustang GT still tops my list.
I'm seeing a big jump in the quality of recently designed vehicles from Ford (with the Mustang) and Chrysler (with the 300 and Magnum).
While GM makes good cars, the Mustang and the Mopar vehicles seem to be a step ahead recently. Personally, I think the Chrysler and Ford recent introductions give away nothing to Honda and Toyota regarding build quality or quality of materials.
Right now, there are more orders for GTs than there is plant capacity to build them. According to my Ford plant worker friend, they are backlogged to the tune of 65,000 Mustangs (all models).
A lot of it also depends on the allotment your dealer has for Mustang GTs. The most GTs even the large dealerships are getting range from 3-10/mo (depending again, on their allotment).
It sounds like your dealer's allotment is spoken for from the factory for the next 2 months. That's the reason yours is taking so long to be built.
Lots of specualation abounds that if you order now, you may have to wait for the '06 model year to get your car.
I ordered mine 5 weeks ago and my dealer says the order was pulled by the factory on 2/24 to be built either the week of 3/14 or 3/21. I'm hoping to have it delivered by the last week of March, first week of April. That's about 8 weeks for delivery from the date of my order. But, I checked to see what my dealer's allotment was before I ordered. My dealer got 3 GTs last week (which are now all sold). He expects another 3-4 for dealer stock and two special orders (mine being one of them) to be delivered in a couple of weeks and says mine should be in that batch.
Ordered on 2/6...
--Redfire metalic premium GT 5-speed manual
-Side airbags
-bullitt wheels
-Shaker stereo
-red and grey interior (ICAP)
-Interior Upgrade Package (aluminum accents with "my color" dash)
Just in time for Spring.....
I am in the market for a V6 Premium Convertable.
I happen to have a friend who is a Ford employee who gave me one of his X plan pin numbers.
It's not mandatory for any dealer to accept this pin for X plan pricing, but if they do, there is no negotiation. The price is great and the dealer will show you the price if they agree to sell at the X plan price.
On the Mustang, it's not been easy to find a dealer to honor X plan, but I, indeed, found one. I couldn't buy any of his on the lot stock, but he was willing to factory order one for me.
GT's and convertibles are way oversold. Many dealers are already taking orders for '06s. Plus, many are saying that Ford won't be able to deliver all the '05s that they have on order....from individuals or dealers.
So, based on all of that, if you find one you like at a dealership, and are able to strike a good deal, buy it. You might not get another chance.
The good news for you is that you're interested in a V6, which isn't as popular as the GTs. But, it's a convertible you want and those are in short supply, too.
I have a Focus ZX3 on order for my son using X plan. Worked out about $500 cheaper than regular price.
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akirby....although, Ford X plan does not allow "bogus fees" and "extra conditioning" (i.e. fancy $1,000 wax), you'd be surprised what I've seen from some of the dealers. The car is in such demand, that some of the dealers I've visited flaunt it regularly, unless you hold their feet to the fire.
While my dealer allowed X plan on my ordered Mustang, they are notorious for the dreaded "addendum sticker". I'm quite aware of X plan rules. If they try to add something like that to my order when it comes in to try to "bump" more money out of me, I thoroughly plan on contacting Ford customer service. Allegedly, if a dealer agrees to X plan and tries to add fees or addendum stickers, all the dealers commission is revoked on the sale by Ford.
that Ford is not taking any more orders for 2005 Mustang Gt's Has anyone heard about this?
Don't know if that will make up the shortfall between orders vs demand. Last I heard from a Ford employee friend was Ford has 65,000 more orders for the car than they had capacity to produce.
More likely, dealers have been remiss in not being up-front with customers. Some dealers forego a customer ordered vehicle to use their allotment for in-stock cars so they can sell them at a higher price (sometimes over MSRP sticker).
Those dealers who took orders early ('04) agreed to order based on the fact that they didn't know whether the new Mustang would sell. Once demand ramped up, the dealer kept moving their priority for ordered cars further and further down their priority list so them could use that allotment for "stock" cars that they could sell off the lot.
A couple of dealers around southern OH have told me their allotment for '05s (especially GTs and convertibles) is all sold out. They are taking orders for '06s only.
That said, there are some dealers who do have '05 allotment left. You just have to find out who they are in your area. Best thing to do is to call around and ask..
barnabm....if I were in your shoes, I'd cancel my order and look for a dealer who has allotment left and order one from them. If they haven't even accepted your Dec order yet, that means they have been putting other orders (probably in-stock units) ahead of yours for 3-4 months. Not a good dealer practice, IMHO.
I've had that same "klunk" sound in all high performance cars with a manual transmission. Everyone I've spoken to tells me it's normal for big HP/big torque cars.
Wow! You're just begging for some "chastity" to be lost, if not worse. Prom + not yet mature teenagers + hot cars = underage drinking, speeding, street racing, some other "adult" activities, and a whole lot of other troubles I'm sure you don't want to have happen as a result.
Sending your daughter to the prom in a BRIGHT RED, MUSTANG GT is a plain bad idea on several levels.