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Ford Mustang (2005 and Newer)



  • john_324john_324 Posts: 974
    Yep...I've never heard of people getting worked up over Camaros or Firebirds, and Barracudas and Challengers were short-lived period pieces.

    Even when GM decided to end F-body production recently, there was a little more than a slight outcry. Contrast that with Ford's 1980s consideration of a fwd Mustang (what would eventually become the Probe) and the firestorm it provoked.
  • nvbankernvbanker Posts: 7,285
    GM has done some unfathomable things - eliminating the large RWD cars, the F-bodys and basically conceding both markets to Ford. Wonder why they're losing so much market share? And some people here actually think GM is coming back!
  • LOL! There is a topic on Edmunds with that name. I subscribe to it for a good laugh.
  • tayllortayllor Posts: 4
    Thanks, John, for your response. I'm looking forward to trying out the new Mustang. Anyone know when they're expected to be available? I hope I don't have to wait until the end of the year.
  • baggs32baggs32 Posts: 3,229
    Production of the coupe begins on September 7th. Expect them to hit showrooms very late in September or the beginning of October.

    The vert will begin production sometime in late January which was recently moved up from mid-February.

    From what I've read they are now beginning to build early pre-production models at AAI. Don't expect to be able to buy one of them though. You'll probably see one in a magazine for a road test instead. ;)
  • oldmanoldman Posts: 35
    So far as I can see from a distance, I believe Al-Quaida has taken over control of "the general", which explains why GM is claiming to be on a comeback while nosediving into the ground with stupid, out-of-touch product lines. The corporate crater will be huge on this one! Honestly how else can one explain the absurdity of products offered by this marque? If I had the courage of my convictions I'd buy Ford stock while it is in the dumpster like it was in the late 70's. If you'd bought it then, by 1995 or so you'd have made a ton of $$. The Taurus model was the breakthrough model. Could the new retro mustang be their next savior??? What do you think???
  • baggs32baggs32 Posts: 3,229
    I'm not sure that the Mustang will be the "savior", but it surely will help. The buzz this car has been creating is phenomenal. Everyone I know has either seen or heard about it and can't wait to see one in person.

    Now if Ford plays it's cards right and releases the Futura (which won't be called the Futura anymore because of the Pep Boys tire brand) on time, they should be back in full swing again. I say this because the Mustang will certainly generate more showroom traffic, but it's not for everyone. The Futura (rumor says it might be named the Four Hundred) on the other hand is for everyone and could very well be the next Taurus. We won't know for sure until Ford shows us a production version but things are looking up! Let's not forget about the Five Hundred too.

    Like you said, if I also had the courage of my convictions, I'd have bought Ford stock a year ago. ;)

    In case you're wondering about the Futura, it's based on the Mazda6 (I am currently leasing one and it is an amazing car), will have a hybrid system as an option a year or so after launch, and can be fitted with an AWD drivetrain. It should be quite a nice ride!

    That's just what I think. Take it for what you will. :)
  • akirbyakirby Posts: 8,030
    The Lincoln version just debuted at the New York Auto Show last week. It's called the Zephyr and looks great. Anyone worried about 'rebadging' of the Mazda6 needn't be - it looks nothing like a Mazda, inside or out.
  • john_324john_324 Posts: 974
    No doubt about it that the Futura looks good so far...I'm just surprised that Ford didn't bring back the "Galaxie" name for it, or maybe the "Falcon". Much cooler than Futura or 400...

    Ford currently makes a Falcon for the Aussie market, and it sells quite well.

    Retro names attached to modern cars is a nice link with the past IMO. Sure, not all of a company's line should revisit old names, but a few sprinkled around can't hurt.
  • baggs32baggs32 Posts: 3,229
    "Sure, not all of a company's line should revisit old names, but a few sprinkled around can't hurt."

    I agree, but Ford lost a few of their old names along with a new one like "Futura". There's a list somewhere out there but I can't remember where it is.

    They've also been re-securing some of the old names to make sure they don't lose them too.

    "Anyone worried about 'rebadging' of the Mazda6 needn't be"

    That's right. The Lincoln and Ford versions are definitely not re-badges. They are just going to be built on the same solid and flexible platform.
  • oldmanoldman Posts: 35
    Isn't there also a rumored Ford to be built off the Volvo S80 P2 platform? The pix thought to be that car was really modern and chique looking, and let me tell ya, the Volvos are fine machines in the luxo market. It might well be high time they junked the Mercury marque and just used the Jag and Volvo marques for luxury. The Lincolns just don't differentiate enough to garner a different clientel IMHO. GM is deader than a doornail if truck sails ever tank from high fuel costs, or if boomers stop buying them when their kids are gone. That's when I think Fords product line will eat GM alive.
  • stickguystickguy Posts: 25,705
    I beleive that is the upcoming Freestyle/500.

    2018 Hyundai Elantra Sport (mine), 2013 Acura RDX AWD (wife's) and 2015 Jetta Sport (daughter's)

  • baggs32baggs32 Posts: 3,229
    stickguy is right. The Freestyle (not to be confused with the Freestar minivan) and the Five-Hundred (500 for short) are both built upon the S80 platform.

    The 500 and "Futura" are replacements for the Taurus. One is a little bigger and one is a little smaller respectively. Same goes for the price.

    I've seen the 500 at the car show and it is quite nice. Pictures don't do it justice. I can't wait to see what comes out of the professional test drives in the coming months!
  • kenm8kenm8 Posts: 71
    The latest issue (4-19-2004) of Autoweek Magazine is devoted to 40 years of Mustang and features the 2005 GT-R.
  • nvbankernvbanker Posts: 7,285
    Don't forget the Freeport and the Freewilly. Oh, how I wish Bill would drop the fetish with alliteration.
  • tomcat630tomcat630 Posts: 854
    Celicas sell so poorly now, they are not even mentionable. The FWD coupe segment once was a challenge to true sporty cars. But, FWD cannot compete head to head, despite what all the "Civic tuners" think.

    As such, FWD "sporty coupes" are quite possibly a diminishing breed.
  • gogophers1gogophers1 Posts: 218
    Does anyone know if the '05 will have a power sunroof as a factory-installed option?

    I know it hasn't been an option in the past - I guess Ford figures if you want the roof to open, you can pop for the convertible.

    I was looking at an '05 at the Minneapolis Auto Show last month and there didn't seem to be a whole lot of roof between the windshield and the rear window, so perhaps my wish is somewhat impractical...
  • andys120andys120 Loudon NHPosts: 18,728
    Got your attention, </:^p.

     Automotive News sez Ford Execs are speculating that Mustangs may be in short supply during the summer of '04 as they are selling at a fast clip (+16% over '03) and production lines will have to be shut down for conversion to the new '05 design.

      '04 Convertibles are expected to run out first as sales typically accelerate with the coming of warmer weather.

    2000 BMW 528i, 2001 BMW 330CiC

  • andys120andys120 Loudon NHPosts: 18,728
    Got your attention, </:^p.

     Automotive News sez Ford Execs are speculating that Mustangs may be in short supply during the summer of '04 as they are selling at a fast clip (+16% over '03) and production lines will have to be shut down for conversion to the new '05 design.

      '04 Convertibles are expected to run out first as sales typically accelerate with the coming of warmer weather.

    2000 BMW 528i, 2001 BMW 330CiC

  • The reasons I can't wait to get an 05 mustang is first because it is totally awesome, and second so I can burn all of the imports running around on the street. Half of the imports are all show and no go anyway!
  • carlisimocarlisimo Posts: 1,280
    What's the word on the new Mustang's backseat?

    I'm not nice enough to my friends to look for a 4door car, but I do drive them around a lot so rear seat room is a consideration.
  • baggs32baggs32 Posts: 3,229
    The backseats in the '05 will have a tiny bit more room than the las gen. Then again, there wasn't much there to begin with.

    Just don't take your friends on long trips. ;)
  • akirbyakirby Posts: 8,030
    +16% over last year? Now who was saying that sales of the current model would tank because EVERYONE would know there's a new model coming out and would wait to buy it?
  • andys120andys120 Loudon NHPosts: 18,728
    back seat room is not one...never has been going all the way back to '64-1/2.

    I saw a nice '66 convertible yesterday, pale yellow, top-down. :^)

    2000 BMW 528i, 2001 BMW 330CiC

  • kenm8kenm8 Posts: 71
    A recent post comments on FWD imports and Mustang. A well designed FWD car can handle very well and be fun to drive. Check out R & T Magazine for its standardized 700 ft slalom tests on some sporting FWD cars vs Mustang. Latest issue shows FWD Acura and Mini Cooper faster than pre 2005 Mustang.
    Mustang Mach I - 65.5 MPH
    Mustang SVT Cobra - 63.5 MPH
    Acura RSX Type S - 66.8 MPH
    Mini Cooper S - 69.5 MPH

    How will the 05 Mustang do in slalom? Might not want to take on FWD Acura or Mini in the twisties with a Mustang, especially if the road surface is not glass-smooth.
  • andys120andys120 Loudon NHPosts: 18,728
    a lighter vehicle will usually beat a heavy one in slaloms, less weight transfer going back-and forth thru the cones. Notice how well the lightweight MCS does.

    Again, with their relatively high weight and nose heaviness combined with relatively slow steering
    Mustangs, whatever their other virtues, have never been ideal for slalom work.

    2000 BMW 528i, 2001 BMW 330CiC

  • justgreat47justgreat47 Posts: 100
    should be significantly improved over the outgoing version. check out the distance between the front axle plane and the base of the windshield/firewall: most of the engine (especially the v6) should reside aft of the axle...very good setup for neutral handling....another reason why v6 mustangs will generally handle better over their v8 counterparts...less weight over the front axle.

    it's really too bad that the 4.0 will not have an aluminum block...that would significantly improve the balance of the car. looking at the pictures, the balance will be immensely improved over the 04 but the lesser weight would further help the equation. jackg
  • akirbyakirby Posts: 8,030
    The new 3.5 duratech should make it even better when it replaces the 4.0.
  • mschmalmschmal Posts: 1,757
    People have mentioned cost as one reason that the 4.0 Cologne engine was chosen instead of the current 30 Duratec for the v6 car.

    There is however a more obvious and compelling reason...

    the Mustang is REAR DRIVE!

    Its a pain in the neck to configure an engine from latitudal mounting as in a FWD car to Longitudal mounting as in a RWD.

    The 4.0L Cologne is setup for rear drive. the Duratecs are FWD engines.

    This is also the reason that the Escape got a duratec, its fwd/4wd. and the Jag X-type got AWD... it has a duratec based v6 (fwd only in a jag would be sacrelige)

    Also SOHC engines have inherent different characteristics than DOHC engines. Typically they produce more low-end torque. Ideal for a truck application of a car that is intended to be quick off the line like a Mustang.

    anyway in my "expert" opinion, don't wait for the 35 Duratec cause it will be a long one.

  • akirbyakirby Posts: 8,030
    The Lincoln LS uses a 3.0 Duratech V6 in a RWD car. The now departed continental used a 4.6L Intech in a FWD car. It's not THAT hard, as long as there is room in the engine bay.

    I'm reasonably sure Ford already said they would be using the 3.5 and the 4.0 was a stopgap, but I'll have to double check.
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