Ford Mustang (2005 and Newer)

exalteddragon1

Thanks,

You said it better than me To tell you the truth, if Ford kept everything the way it was, just had the SVT priced at 35K base where it SHOULD HAVE BEEN, then the Mustang probably would have won. A 15K advantage would be too hard to pass up.

What you said is spot on pirate, at the prices it is today, only Mustang loyalits and fanatics (including collectors) will buy the car, its in over its head, even with 500hp the weight distribution prevents much of that power from bieng used.

Think about it, at 500 HP do you really think that 4.5 to 60 is enough? Id expect a bit less, am I wrong?

I won't laugh at anyone buying this car, its just that a mustang is a mustang, that means its not a 50K or near 50K car.

akirby

I'd have to agree with you on the price/performance issue. Between the body mods, stripes, wheels/tires, brakes, suspension and interior upgrades I think you may have around $5-6K in upgrades. That leaves about $10K for the engine. Not sure why they didn't just supercharge the 4.6L SOHC engine. Should be good for at least 400 hp with less weight and less cost and it would handle better. Then again I'm sure we'll see something like that as a Boss or Mach I variant - so maybe they're intentionally pricing this one high to leave room in the middle.

OTOH there are at least 2 (maybe 3) things that you get in the mustang that you can't possibly get in the Vette. Anybody want to take a guess?

exalteddragon1

1.) The Lights that you can adjust on the speedometer
2.) 300hp V8 for 25K
3.) A V6 option
4.) The ability NOT to be rich or a rich families kid to afford one
5.) VCT and an OHC engine
6.) A rear seat

Did I get them all? :P

akirby

6 was close. It's passengers. 2 adults/3 kids in the rear seat.

pony_pirate

Dealers who sell Rousch's are offering a Rousch supercharger add-on for stock GT's for $7k ($5700 parts, rest labor), touted at 415 HP.

baggs32

6 was close. It's passengers. 2 adults/3 kids in the rear seat.

IIRC there is no center belt in the back seat so it's 2 in the front and 2 in the back. Oh, and mother-in-law in the trunk. :surprise:

akirby

That's still 2 more than the vette, assuming the vette has room in the trunk for one mother-in-law.

The gt500 is obviously about the name and being able to brag about having 500 hp. A supercharged 4.6L w/a big brake kit, intake/exhaust, tuner and suspension upgrades should perform just as well (or very close) for about $35K or less.

I still think we'll see a Boss or Mach I in between the GT and GT500 that will be in the $35K price range.

icantfly591

Hey, i want to put 3000$ into my mustang, but i want to see like 30hp gain's to the rear wheel. So what do you guys think i sould get?

icantfly591

Hey, i want to put 3000$ into my mustang, but i want to see like 30hp gain's to the rear wheel. So what do you guys think i sould get?

akirby

Cold air intake, cat back exhaust and a SCT tuner should do the trick, or come real close.

lavrishevo

I would suggest you do headers as well and gain closer to 80 HP. I was able to get all that was mentioned, CAI, headers, tuner, catback, mufflers, performance cats, X-pipe, and a Hurst short throw shifter for $2900 shipped to my house. Might need to spend a little more for install of the headers and exhaust but the CAI and tune can be done yourself in no time. Company called Evolution Performance out of PA does fantastic tunes.

http://www.evoperform.com/

Tell him Daniel from Atlanta sent you.

lavrishevo

Did you see the Edmunds video on the 2007 911 turbo that does 0-60 in 3.7 seconds..... My gosh what did I buy a mustang for.... oh that's right that Porsche cost over 120 grand.... :surprise:

icantfly591

Do you guy's, know any good website's for mustang performance?

icantfly591

What are some good name band's that sell catback's, header's and x pipe's? And also how much hp will the 06 mustang get if you put some cams into it?

lavrishevo

Dude didn't we just answer that 4 post up?

icantfly591

what?

Claires

This member answered your question here:
Re: Design [icantfly591] by lavrishevo Jul 07, 2006 (9:22 pm)

nyccarguy

I'd first like to say that the Mustang is a great looking car and congrats to all who own one. I love the way the GT looks (with the fog lights in the middle) and sounds. I have a few questions for all who know what there is to know about the Mustang.

What's the difference between the GT Deluxe and the GT Premium?

Is the Mustang GT available with a Power moonroof?

lavrishevo

I'm not an expert but I want to say the deluxe has less options on the instrument panel. Battery and oil temp. guage I believe. Plus I do not think it has the digital display of miles till empty, average MPG, MPH, number of fuel gallons used and so on. My premium came with an option called Mycolor. Has Red, Green, and Blue bulbs behind the instrument panel, you can change the color to whatever you like. It's actually kind of funny, you can make it pink, puke green, all kinds of wacky colors if you wish. So weird to look at a pink cluster. I also think the radio is standard Shaker 500 I don't know if this is true on the deluxe.

As far as the moonroof goes I want to say no, I have never seen or heard of one being offered but I do know they make an aftermarket one for the Stang.

akirby

See for yourself:
http://www.fordvehicles.com/cars/mustang/features/

Mustangs don't offer factory moonroofs.

rorr

"What's the difference between the GT Deluxe and the GT Premium?"

Well, the biggest difference is that the Deluxe has cloth seats - the Premium is leather......

Also, the Premium has the Shaker 500 sound system as standard equipment. It is an option on the Deluxe. And some other misc. stuff (but I think those are the biggies).

No sunroof/moonroof available on the Mustangs.

If you want the sun/moon coming into the cabin, you either need the convertible or go aftermarket.....

akirby

I don't think all Premiums have standard Leather. The chart shows Standard for both the cloth and leather sport buckets. I think it depends on whether one of the interior upgrade packages are included or not.

gzgtp

Premium includes leather (unless they changed it within the last few months)

akirby

That does appear to be correct. The chart is somewhat confusing.

jschmiidt

I've been reading this forum for years now, but never posted. This one will be a bit wordy, but hey... I've held back for a long time!

After waiting so long for the frenzy to die down a bit, I figured it was time to make the purchase. With the '07's just coming in I went this past weekend in search of an '06 GT Premium Coupe, Dark Charcoal Leather, 5 Speed Manual Transmission, Interior Upgrade Package, Satin Aluminum Insert Panel and 18 inch Polished Aluminum Wheels. Pulled all the inventory at dealerships in the Tampa Bay area off of fordvehicles.com and searched all the other major markets in Florida as well. (How did we ever get by without the internet?) Originally thought I'd like Tungsten Grey since I thought Mineral Grey for '05's and before looked killer, and it was a mere name change. Well I was wrong, and to me it had a slight purpil/lavanderish tinge I just couldn't deal with. There was a Redfire at this one local dealership (Bill Currie) meeting all my requirements except for 18 inch Premium fan blades. They were willing to put on the 18 inch Polished, sell me the car at invoice and give me $1,000 for my trade-in '96 Contour GL Manual, which only had a KBB value of $500. Awesome right? Well I decided to take a breather, told the guy I wanted to think it over, talk to my wife, and look around. I knew of some others available at nearby dealerships: Torch Reds, Performance Whites, Blacks, Tungstens and Satin Silvers, but none of them really 100% appealed to me. The only other possibility was a Vista Blue at Greenway Ford in Orlando, and I really wasn't sure I wanted to make the trip or pay extra for it to be delivered. Even though I already knew the local inventory, I decided to take a ride to Brandon Ford (one of the biggest in America) just in case there was something I missed, or something else I could settle on. Key word here is "settle". With little to choose from that met my requirements, and my dream of a bad [non-permissible content removed] Tungsten (which I thought was like Mineral) Grey down the tubes, I'd end up having to settle on something. I walked the lots at Brandon Ford and saw the same inventory I pulled; nothing that really grabbed me as being my dream car. I figured I'd go back to Bill Currie and settle on the Redfire.

Now, during my inventory search I pulled the sticker for a GT Premium Coupe at Brandon Ford that really did meet all of my requirements; except for the year that is. They had a 2007 GT Premium Coupe in Alloy Clearcoat Metallic (New color for '07) equiped exactly how I wanted; and with no cheezy GT Appearance Package or stripes. Absolutely beautiful and bad to the bone! Figured there's no way they would let this thing go for anything lower than sticker; especially since a brand new color and my research showed me this was the only one of its kind in the Tampa Bay area. I asked the salesman to check with his manager to see what it would go for; for a goof.

Well he came back with... " If I offer it to you at invoice, would you purchase it today?"

And that's just what I did! And my figures match what's on Edmunds...Base 2007 GT Premium Coupe $24,390, IUP $400, 18 inch Polished Aluminums $718, Destination and Delivery $745. There are, however, 2 additional items on the invoice (same at Bill Currie on the '06 invoice but I think for slightly different amounts); FDAF/LMDA Assessment (which I understand is something along the lines of a Southern Ford Marketing kickback) $420 and a $5.58 charge for the 2 gallons of gas that Flat Rock put in it. Grand total invoice $26,678.58. And they gave me the same $1,000 for my Contour. Now I know they made their money with dealer prep fees of $495 (not to mention Holdback), but they (and other dealers) were charging that on '06's. I could be wrong, but I feel I got a good deal. The one thing I do know is that I didn't "settle" on an '06. This '07 is my dream car.

Let me know what you think.

pony_pirate

Own a '05 GT Premium silver coupe, loaded, manual, 2600 miles. Too many Mustangs on the road. Am getting an '07 Z06 Corvette. Look out Mustang, I'll eat you alive. :shades:

gzgtp

I guess it depends which roads you travel. I honestly see more vettes on the road, but who cares I wouldn't mind having one of each. Are you being ridiculed for being one of so many Stang owners??? There has to be other reasons to unload the Mustang at only 2600 miles. You must have a need for speed. Good luck and Bon Apetit.

markser

Hey all....I finally got to see a new GT500 in person last night! It was in the dealers showroom and was a Black/Black/Black convertible without the Shelby stripes. WOW! It was awesome. Looked very mean and ready to run. The interior was leather and very close to my 06 GT Premium with IUP package in appearance. I really liked the steering wheel as it was more contoured than the standard mustang GT wheel. I love the wheels and would like to maybe put a set on my GT. The motor was very cool and impressive with the black supercharger sitting right up on the top. Then the salesman told me I could take it home for $70K! WHAT!?!?! I told him, you have lost your ever lovin mind......There is NO WAY in this world that I would pay 20 to 25K OVER sticker for ANY car! Even if I could afford it. I also told him that for $70K, I would go right down the street and buy a new Corvette Z06 and smoke that Shelby. Do not get me wrong...I LOVE my Mustang, by not $70K worth. Also, if I wanted, I could spend $10K wisely and have a car that is faster, quicker and handles beter than the Shelby or the Corvette.

All those "Gotta have it first" people out there are going to be paying a pretty penny for these cars. I still can't wait to see one driving out on the street, but unless I hit the lottery, I won't be seeing one in my driveway!

lavrishevo

Screw the Z06, why not get the new Porsche 911 turbo, 0-60 in 3.7 seconds.... yeah baby.

akirby

07 Porsche 911 Turbo - 0-60 3.4 seconds $123K
07 Vette Z06 - 0-60 4.5 seconds $66K

I can think of $57,000 reasons to get the Z06.

qbrozen

FYI: C&D got to 60 in 3.4 in their last Z06 comparison.

exalteddragon1

Are awesome.

They have the things that were missing on the 06's, for example, a cool engine cover "Powerred by Ford" written on it.

FWIW i would have liked it to say on top perhaps "4.6L CVT V8" we Americans can tout our technology too.

Also, and very important to me at least, the 07's have a hood scoop, which was very missing from earier mustangs. I knew they would put them in later, to keep the product fresh.

Meybe they will add a factory sunroof too. How about a Nav system? The latter is not a big deal since the car has so many other things going for it but would not hurt.

P.S. the dealer who wanted 70K for the shelby should be smacked :P

akirby

I thought so but that's what the Edmunds review said so I went with it.

baggs32

Also, and very important to me at least, the 07's have a hood scoop, which was very missing from earier mustangs.

You must have seen one with the new GT Appearance Package (order code 54G for those interested) which adds a hood scoop, bright rolled exhaust tips and the said engine cover to any '07 Mustang GT. MSRP is roughly $245 and you can buy any of the three parts separately as an accessory.

I'll be getting an engine cover myself when/if I order one later this year. They're going for about $60 from the dealer right now and IIRC are on backorder due to popularity. Bolts right on to the intake and manifold of the '07s and '05/'06 owners can order a set of bolts to retrofit.

Not that anyone asked though.

pony_pirate

Exactly. That's the reason I'm getting a Z06, which, btw, is nose-to-nose with the Porsche 911. The 911 comes out a tiny wee bit better in handling and acceleration because of the rear engine, a better front-back weight ratio, but costs much much more. Also, imo, Porsches are ugly, pure cold German engineering, no sex appeal, while the new Vette is b-e-a-u-t-i-f-u-l. :shades:

macatowa

Thanks, exactly what I have been wondering! I would order a plenum cover today if it's true they are 60 bucks (They look good and who can argue with factory original), the bright SS tips do look good and are $112 last time I checked.

nyccarguy

I know somebody who ordered one and was happy that he "only" had to pay $15,000 over MSRP for it.

lavrishevo

TRAITOR!!!! YOU SHOULD BE BANNED FROM MUSTANG FORUMS FOREVER.... POOP SHOOT PIRATE HAVE GONE TO THE DARK SIDE. LOL :P

baggs32

I would order a plenum cover today if it's true they are 60 bucks

More info here.

nifty56

If is was going to speed 70K on a stang it would be a vintge one from the late 60s or early 70s. The price could go up the longer you own it while the 07 would go down in price year after year to some point where it would go back up, 15+ years.. Just a theory.

deserth8r

I have a new shelby on order for MSRP, and while I understand that it is going to depriciate, just like every other car, it is one that I plan on owning for a very long time. I saw on Ebay that these cars are going for 60k+, which I would never pay, but I am young and can afford one for 42k, and maybe one day pass this classic on to one of my kids, which I have yet to have. I do not consider this car to be a daily driver, and could never use it as one, but Shelby isnt going to be around forever, so these will likely be about the last cars he has a hand in building.

pony_pirate

Color me incredulous. I couldn't find a dealer who would sell at less than 15% over MSRP; thus gave up the search. How long before delivery? What was the final price after options?

deserth8r

It is through a military car buying service, have to be a servicemember overseas to qualify. I think I may get a small discount off of MSRP, but nothing really worth talking about. I will get home in October, and take delivery from a local dealer, one of the few perks of serving overseas

pony_pirate

You deserve more, desert. :shades:

Am getting an '07 Vette Z06. Want more power. Want a sports car, not just a muscle car. Love my '05 GT Premium w/ manual, great car for the price (the Z costs nearly three times as much), but, let's face it, the Mustang GT excells at straight-line speed, not curves; the solid rear axle seriously compromises its hold on the road; and in 5th gear, at routine highway speeds, 70-80 mph, ~2-3k rpm, there's a drop in power, so that if you really want to rocket, you got shift down to 4th.

deserth8r

that z06 is awesome, but I know I couldnt afford one of those. I consider vettes more of a car that requires you to be in your 40s to own, and I have a few more years before I get there. I dont really even put it in the same class as a mustang, but it is a killer car nonetheless.

topoffgt

pp- Let me get this straight- you're selling an 05 GT coupe with 2600 miles on it and paying $7k OVER MSRP for an 07 Z06 vette? WOW! You must have money to burn! Will you take $15k for the stang? LOL

explorerx4

shifting down a gear is a reason the ditch a car? :surprise:

vertical3

Beautiful car but Ford should give you a Viper alarm, LoJack, GPS tracker, and a Rottweiller as part of the theft deterrent system.

Down here in South Florida I'd only drive it with police escort......

pony_pirate

May not 'ditch' it. Still toying with the idea of keeping it, seeing how much I take to the Z06.

It's not shifting down to 4th the bums me (actually like the roar of the engine when I drop down to 4th at 70-80 mph), as much as I want a car lighter on its feet, more responsive on curvy mountain roads. Hell, my old Honda EX, with 4-wheel independent suspension, handles better on curves than my Mustang GT Premium. That solid rear axle was a big mistake. I feel it bouncing up and down, loosing contact with the road. The Vette, by comparison, hugs road surface like a layer of tar. :shades:

gzgtp

It's funny now how you are bashin' the GT. I had a Honda EX and don't even know where you are coming from with that "handles better" statement.

Good luck with the Vette, but I can't take you seriously if you now start bashin the Stang after raving about it for so long.

See you in the Chevrolet forums.