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2005-2007 Toyota Avalon



  • Correct, Smart key only on the Limited.


    NAV should be optional across the board since it's the buzz word in the industry, whether it's worth it or not is another issue.......
  • What are "optitron meters"? (See description of XL model above.)


    Like Bluesguy3, I will be curious to see what you can add to the Touring model. There are some things on the Limited I can do without, but others that would be nice. Is there a list of things that can/ cannot be added to a certain trim level?
  • Optitron is an upscale gauge currently used in Lexus models, it provides a "more pleasant glow" and is supposed to be easier to read, it also looks more refined. Go sit in an 05' ES 330 after dark and judge for yourself. I think they look cool, too bad they can't do the same with the center stack controls on the ES! The mix of Optitron dash and green center stack puts me off.


    I don't have a list of available options by trim level, just new changes. I suspect we'll have to wait until at least after Jan. 10th, although I was told pricing may not be available till cars hit the dealer sometime in Feb.


  • cove148cove148 Posts: 117
    Bought a new Avalon in 95 & 2000 when the model change came. Can't say enough good things about either car. Plan on getting the 2005 when it hits, but am concerned about the transmission problem people are experiencing on the Lexus ES330. Many post on this subject. Do you think that Toyota has addressed this problem in the new Avalon?
  • That remains to be seen, I too am very concerned about this and continued trans. problems would be a deal breaker for me. This problem would be something I am bound to find since I drive aggressively, and I did find it on a recent test drive of an 05' ES 330.


    There's nothing worse than a sporty touring model that hesitates when you step on the gas.......


    I'm keeping my fingers crossed.
  • If it's the same transmission that's in the 2002 Highlander (seems like it is), I don't think it's a big deal. My Highlander (which may well be replaced by the new Avalon) moves, but if I stomp my foot down, I don't lurch forward violently. It takes a beat, then starts building speed, quickly, but smoothly.


    To the contrary, in my dad's Camaro, if I blip or stomp on the throttle, there is an INSTANT response, proportionate to the force applied. Not sure that's the type of reaction Toyota/ Lexus wants in their car.


    Might just be a matter of personal preference. I think I'd like a big touring car to accelerate like a train vs. a go-kart, smooth and powerful vs. quick and jumpy.
  • It's all because of the Drive-by-wire throttle instead of a direct wire throttle. It goes through some computer that thinks what gear should the car be in and that's when the hesitation occurs.


    Now, I drive a Sienna XLE Limited with the 3.3L V6 and the 5AT and the hesitation occurs occasionally but it's not as problematic as others have mentioned.
  • Can't see it being the same tranny.


    All 2002 Highlanders are equipped with a four-speed electronically controlled automatic


    All 2005 Avalons are equipped with a five-speed Super Electronically controlled automatic
  • It's a 2005, these media types can't get their numbers straight......See the attached.

  • Mine is only a 4 speed AT. My mistake - must have misread an earlier post.
  • finfin atlantaPosts: 591
    My Toyota dealer here in Georgia says that no Avalons will be delivered by any dealer in the country until all dealers have one on the lot. Toyota is sure they have a winner and want everybody to get one at the same time at top dollar. Sounds reasonable to me. Will it work? Maybe. The important thing is that Toyota management appears to think the new Avalon will be a hot item...
  • larryt22larryt22 Posts: 125
    I went to the Indianapolis Auto Show today not expecting to see the new Avalon. Much to my surprise they didn't even have a carry-over 2004 in the building, so there were no old or new Avalons to look at. I talked to 3 salesmen and they were all the dumb as a box of rocks variety. Anybody who has read this forum knows more than all 3 of them combined. Once again it is rather disappointing to see that Toyota hasn't taken the time to educate the sales force. I am getting tired of knowing more than the sales people.
  • bklynguybklynguy Posts: 275
    "Once again it is rather disappointing to see that Toyota hasn't taken the time to educate the sales force. I am getting tired of knowing more than the sales people."


    That always happens to me, in fact one time the sales manager asked me if I wanted to work there since I knew so much about the cars.
  • johnclineiijohnclineii Posts: 2,287
    But, but, but...


    Salespeople aren't there to know about cars they can't sell yet because they aren't in stock. Knowing about cars is not the same as being able to SELL cars. In an average dealership, the ONLY thing management cares about when it comes to salespeople is that they SELL cars. They couldn't care less if they know very little, a ton or an average amount. Especially as to a car that isn't even for sale yet.
  • I asked about 05 Avalon at Washington DC autoshow today. They pretty much confirmed what we know already--urging me to watch Detroit webcam on Jan 10th. They said Toyota is trying to create more differentiation from Camry and comparable Lexus, though in their opinion there is no Lexus that competes directly with Avalon. They did have an 04 on the floor. It is clearly nicer than nearby ES330, in my opinion.
  • cove148cove148 Posts: 117
    what is the web site for the webcam on Jan 10th?

  • The local dealers I've talked with all say they are getting a Limited first, some of them even say they are "pre-sold" which I don't really "buy".


    New car introductions are called a "launch" and they try to build as much excitment as they can. The manufacturers know they must capitalize on the new design status in the first 6 months, cause' sure enough there'll soon be a new competitor along to steal the thunder. It's about momentum and it has to start out right, a home run in the initial months can make the difference between a hit or walked base.
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  • An uneducated sales force is pretty much the norm, I've already had to supply a sales woman with pictures and info. I've had the same problems buying an RV, they just don't know jack, and why should they? Their purpose is to make money for themselves, not help you make the best choice for your needs.


    I even had one sales man slightly insult me by saying that I didn't have the right photos of the car! I know what I've got pal!


    Either that or they're all playing dumb.


    Were I a car sales person, I'd be working this new info. like mad with my customer base, but of course they must be careful with what they say about it until it's "official" release.
  • bartalk2bartalk2 Posts: 326
    Don't get your hopes up, Avalon fans. Avalon has always been a highway cruiser, a Japanese Buick (not that there's anything wrong with that), and not a sporty car. I don't think this will change with the Touring model. It will not be a 530, a G35, or a TL or even an RL.
  • johnclineiijohnclineii Posts: 2,287
    ...but it's NOT supposed to be. If you want THOSE cars, buy those cars....An Avalon is meant for Avalon buyers, not for TL or RL or G35 buyers....


    That post is really not much of a stretch from complaining that an Avalon can't pull out tree stumps or carry two tons of gravel. Nor can it outrun a souped up Mustang. Again, it's not supposed to....
  • At DC today I asked a Toyota rep about the look. She said they only held a photo for her and then took it away--said it is "super close-hold." She thought it was awesome. Another rep was standing at the Prius when asked the same question by somebody else. She claimed it bears a resemblance to Prius, but much larger. That would not describe the photos we have seen--on 1/10/05 we will know which is right and who has been blowing smoke.
  • cove148cove148 Posts: 117
    Looked all over that site, can't find a link to the web cam. Probably looking me in the face and I can't see it.....
  • alpha01alpha01 Posts: 4,747
    Well said, and I completely agree, johnclineii.

    The Touring model will just offer a package for those who want a slightly stiffer Avalon, with a little more roll control, more aggressive rubber, and stand-out (among Avalon models) styling cues. It needn't be a sports sedan, and I'm going to bet that Toyota is not going to try and play it off as in the leagues with the G35, for example.


  • They probably won't provide a link until the show starts on Jan 10.
  • about the Touring model is that it will be to the Avalon what the SE is to the Camry and the S to the Corolla.


    This probably means, like Alpha said, minor suspension and tire tweaks, as well as fog lights and a body kit (on an Avalon?! lol).


    Even with that said, I'm still looking forward to seeing it in person.
  • Hell I'm just happy to have black leather as an option be it a Touring or not, and if it looks and handles a little more "sporty" then that's even better!


    My options are this:

    Toyota Avalon Touring

    Lexus ES 330

    Buick Lacrosse CXS


    If I wanted a real sport sedan I'd buy a "Beamer", but then I couldn't afford food and I couldn't drive it on a daily basis or for work. So what's the point?
  • bklynguybklynguy Posts: 275
    It looks like your best option would be the Avalon Touring (maybe for us as well).


    cove148, I think the webcam will be up when the show begins on Jan.09 (on the official MSN site)
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