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2005-2007 Toyota Avalon

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  • smu1976smu1976 Posts: 110
    Avalon is the only car that Toyota does not have to offer any rebates or special finance deals on to the public. Go into a dealer, all the specials don't apply to Avalon (rebates, finance deals). The car is a winner, good profit maker, with little need to over advertise or market. Consumer Reports does a fine job of this for them. Toyota will soon displace one of the big three this year. Fleets are buying in droves over Ford's and Chevy. They won't let this model go. Great resale, great warranty, great dependability. This is their new niche.
    Love my 2004. Style is somewhat dated, drives like a DeVille, but Toyota will keep upgrading and improving the style. Its a nice cush mobile, great company car! My choice was Avalon, Chrysler 300M, Pontiac Bonnevile or a Ford Explorer (through my employer leasing company). Also the Cadi CTS was in there, but the company thought it was too showy (the lease was less than Avalon). Had to go with the Avalon. Would have took the Caddy if they let me. Good ride to give to the kids when done. After learining the GPS, its great. I'm 46, and feel like the target market may be a bit older, but I still love it, probably be 56 when it leaves the house.
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  • sparky53sparky53 Posts: 13
    Hi smu 1976,Toyota does give special deals on the Avalon.Igot o% for 36 months on my 03 last year.
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  • alpha01alpha01 Posts: 4,747
    Thats a very broad (and incorrect) statement about Toyota and incentives. Depending on region, time of year, market conditions, and model... Toyota may or may not offer incentives.

    ~alpha
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  • cove148cove148 Posts: 117
    Anyone have seen or have updated information on what the 2005 Avalon will look like and feature?
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  • alpha01alpha01 Posts: 4,747
    Its the other way around, Japan gets a reskinned version of the Avalon, which was designed and originally developed for the American market. The new Avalon will be on the current generation Camry platform, whereas the current Avalon is on the 97-01 Camry platform (which itself was a pretty extensive revision of the 92-96 version of the Camry).

    ~alpha
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  • wsag26wsag26 Posts: 124
    Is Toyota going to save anything for Chicago or New York? To make it more exciting (since I go to N.Y. every year) it makes sense that Toyota might showcase it. You're probably saying.. .how did you know that? Well, look what happened. The Aveo was released at Chicago, and I got no word once so ever that it was coming or going to be released there. We wouldn't of known...
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  • alpha01alpha01 Posts: 4,747
    I'm guessing not that many people care about the Aveo. Except Enterprise Rental, whose Aveos (two of 'em) are the only ones Ive seen on the road here in Central Jersey.

    There is a new Tacoma that Toyota will need to debut SOMEWHERE, given that Nissan just released the skinny on the new Frontier. Redesigns for Corolla, Camry, and Avalon (along with Hondas Civic and Accord) are typically hush-hush, with little autoshow fanfare.

    ~alpha
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  • motownusamotownusa Posts: 836
    I just returned from a two week vacation (Christmas and New Year) in Singapore. Over there the Crown is considered a status symbol. The Crown Majesta comes with the same 4.3L V8 found in the Lexus LS430 and GS430. All other Crown models come with the 3.0 Liter Inline 6 found in the Lexus IS and GS300. The Majesta is rated at 270 Hp while the six cylinder versions are rated at 220 Hp. My uncle, who lives in Singapore owns a Majesta. Beautiful car. Wonder why Toyota doesn't see it fit to sell it here?
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  • boomsamaboomsama Posts: 362
    well i guess this post should have been made a few posts before but i just felt like i had to say this anyway :)

    It seems that Australia is almost ALWAYS getting the old versions of cars/specs and not staying up-to date with the Toyota in the US. Things such as 5 Speed ECT-i and 3.3L engines in our camrys, it just really bugs me that we're SO behind in all this stuff.
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  • teereevesteereeves Posts: 69
    This is my first time here at edmunds.com. I noticed a discussion of the new avalon body style. I currently drive a 1995 Avalon XLS. I'm patiently waiting to see what the 2005 Avalon will look like. That announcement may be coming to the Chicago Auto Show in February. Here is an excerpt from the 2004 Chicago Auto Show "The remainder of the morning will feature world introduction product reveals from Toyota". Key words here are "world introduction". I'm hoping that world introduction product will be the 2005 Avalon, by the way, I live in the Chicago area.
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  • rctennis3811rctennis3811 Posts: 1,031
    Ah the Crown - what a beautiful car! Just to clarify, I think you were talking of the previous generation Crown which ended its model year for 2003. The 04 Crown (known as the Crown concept on toyota.com) is the newest Crown in Japan. The Crown and GS are both on the same platform (from what I've heard) but the Crown is supposed to have more luxury. In Japan, the Crown is offered with a 3.0L inline 6 (same as the GS here) but with twin turbos producing more than 250HP. It also has a V8 available. Crown is known as Japan's ultimate luxury car, even though it is not the most luxurious. I guess it's their version of the "American Cadillac". I wish it came here though!
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  • msgreenmsgreen Posts: 67
    as a Yank who lived in your beautiful country for a few years (70's), I agree that you are being screwed re availability of some options on cars being sold both north and south. That said, the U.S. is importing a Holden virtually unchanged as the new Pontiac GTO, a sacred name in U.S. muscle car history, and which has already been minimized by some U.S. auto magazines. In my humble opinion, neither the U.S. nor Australia has a monopoly on "good". We may have more auto options (we have 10X population), but you have MANY more places to exercise the horses you are granted. I recall driving the Adelaide to Alice road and not seeing ANYTHING/ANYONE for more than 300Km at a stretch. You CANNOT do that in the U.S. no matter where you are (and could not even in those times). Good luck and good on ya, mate....
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  • boomsamaboomsama Posts: 362
    yeah, holden monaro :)

    anyway, its pretty frustrating seeing all this good stuff overseas while we get this "last generation" stuff. Just makes me wanna import one, although servicing might be a problem.
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  • sadlermdsadlermd Posts: 8
    If Toyota does not plan to bring the Crown Concept (or a *reasonable* facsimile) to America, what was the point of featuring the car on the Toyota USA website?
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  • rctennis3811rctennis3811 Posts: 1,031
    The Crown has a 50/50 chance of coming as a Toyota to North America. I, personally, think it won't come to America because it's more luxurious than a Lexus GS, which it shares most of its components with.
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  • motownusamotownusa Posts: 836
    Why are they calling this car the "Concept"? It has been around for almost 30 years. If this replaces the Avalon as Toyota's flagship sedan it would be great. Right now, the Crown is only sold in the East Asian markets. Toyota should also consider bringing the Crown Majesta to North America. It could be a lower priced alternative to the Lexus LS 430 just like the Camry is to the ES300/330.
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  • rctennis3811rctennis3811 Posts: 1,031
    I think the should bring the Crown Athlete over here, as the Majesta is still waiting to be redesigned.
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  • nomad56nomad56 Posts: 134
    This is ALL I know: It is called THE Concept. It is NOT "A" concept car. "Concept" was used because it had not been named and is part of the rollout of the "LEXUS" brandname in Japan. I don't know if it will be a Toyo, or Lexus???? At the 2003 Tokyo auto show, Toyota displayed the Concept as "..returning to the export markets!" ...in 2005. Which export markets, however, were NOT indicated?????

    Some listed ammenities:

    ... 3.3-liter V6 with VVT-i and six-speed automatic transmission (Sequential Shiftmatic)...

    ...vehicle-movement control based on VDM, pre-crash safety system, lane-keeping assistance, radar cruise control...
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  • garybowgarybow Posts: 6
    A rear view picture of the 2006 Avalon is in the latest issue of Motor Trend. Can't tell much except that it has dual tail pipes and backup lights integrated with the tail lights. Although it is listed as a 2006, the article says it will likely be an early intro in 2005, as it looks well along in the disign
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  • jeff186jeff186 Posts: 95
    Well, the rumored '05 redesign is not listed for either the Chicago or NY auto shows. I'm beginning to doubt whether the redesign will even happen for '05.
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  • alpha01alpha01 Posts: 4,747
    Toyota, historically, does not introduce its mainstream vehicle redesigns at major auto shows that are many months prior to the models introduction. It risks cannabalizing sales of its top brand recognition models. Take for example, the redesigned 2003 Corolla which did not hit the auto show circuit with fanfare, nor did the redesigned 2002 Camry. Honda takes similar measures with its Civic and Accord. Finally, the redesigned 00 Avalon was not introed at an auto show either.

    All I'm saying is that just because the redesigned Avalon is not scheduled to make an auto show intro, does not mean you will not see a new one in the Fall. In fact, I dont believe the MT blurb about introduction as a 2006 model. This seems not to make sense to me.

    For all intents and purposes, it is logical to believe that the next Avalon will use the 3.3L from the Camry SE V6, Solara V6 models, etc. Toyota already produces this engine, and makes the current Avalon alongside those cars at TMMK. I can't imagine there would be any production/manufacturing limitation to introducing the Avalon in the Fall as an 05 model.

    Certainly, I may be wrong, but it doesnt seem to make sense to delay the intro, with the current Avalon behind the curve in terms of power, safety, features, etc, especially with the impending introduction of the able Ford Five-Hundred/Mercury Montego, Chrysler 300, and the bargain hunters delight, Kia Amanti.

    ~alpha
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  • motownusamotownusa Posts: 836
    Looks Ok, but the powertrain is a dud. Same 200 Hp and ft-lb like the Taurus. Why didn't they just called it the Taurus anyway? They could at least have used the higher output V6 from the Lincoln LS. Given that the car is big and heavy (around 3600 lbs) acceleration probably won't be the car's strength. It is kind of hard to imagine this car competing against the Avalon.
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  • rctennis3811rctennis3811 Posts: 1,031
    They didn't call it the Taurus because Ford wants all their cars to start with an F and Mercury to start with an M.
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  • samnoesamnoe Posts: 731
    Ha Ha!

    You must be kidding...

    Anyway, the new Ford 500 will have a new 6-speed tranny or a CVT, and AWD option. Also, next year Ford will introduce a brand new engine with much more output than the current Duratec.

    You can read more about that in the Ford Five Hundred future models message board.
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  • teereevesteereeves Posts: 69
    I believe MT made a mistake about the redesigned Avalon coming out as a '06 model. Currently Toyota is selling the '03 Avalon as a '04 Avalon as it prepares to release the redesigned '05 Avalon in the fall.
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  • otis123otis123 Posts: 431
    Comes out this august/sept as a 2005 - like clockwork - and you won't see it anywhere until just before it's released...

    Ralph
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  • otis123otis123 Posts: 431
    Would be nice if it looked like this...

    A toyota audi a6...

    http://www.motorcities.com/contents/02KIF090037210.html

    Ralph
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  • toyotasiennabtoyotasiennab Posts: 5
    production on the Avalon starts January 3, 2005. This i know for fact. My understanding is that the vehicle is gonna have dual exhaust and will be running approximately 270hp, from a 3.5. I believe one of the upcoming Lexus' will be utilizing this engine.
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  • coolguyky7coolguyky7 Posts: 932
    I'll second the knowledge that the new V-6 will be a 3.5L. This is consistent with what I've been hearing for months.
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  • abfischabfisch Posts: 591
    Not being a forecaster, not gambler, those last two posts seem dreamlike. While, anyone would say very nice, the Toyota Corp. I know would more likely use the engine they are using in the Lexus 330 and probably would not have true dual exhausts, more like exhaust tips or tailpipe and muffler backs. A true dual exhaust would be very costly, to purchase and replace.

    You may be right, but I am hard pressed to see Toyota making the Avalon out to be a different auto than it is targeted for, and that is for a full size (large) sedan, not a premium sports sedan.

    Dual exhausts, a decrease in fuel economy, no bench seat,premium gas, and you are starting to compete with the mid size Acura instead of the Crown Vic, or Park Ave Ultra. In my humble opinion, they should use the same engine, and put better quality struts, tires, rotors, etc in the model to stay ahead of the pack.

    Maybe, but I can't see it.

    abfisch
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