Anyone used the auto windshield wipers? It doesn't seem to me that the + or - adjustments do anything and they come on with only a drop or two of rain (Seattle rain that is). Anyone know if there are any dealer adjustments on this.
Otherwise this is one fantastic car. Love everything about it.
I actually did use the "Search this discussion" function before I posed the question. I read messages that seemed to be hypothesizing about going to a second Toyota dealer for a better price on the 7 year, 100,000 mile warranty ... but I wasn't sure that anyone had actually done this. Since my dealer wants $1,600, I'd prefer to be able to buy elsewhere. I know this has been speculated about and discussed, BUT has anyone actually done this?
The "Search this discussion" function is helpful ... but just because a topic has been discussed before doesn't mean all questions have been answered or something new can't be added.
So my question remains: Has anyone actually purchased a new Avalon, and subsequently bought a Toyota extended warranty from another dealer on the basis of a better price?
Even if you feel the topic has been fully covered, "redundancy" can be reassuring for those like me who feel they need clarification, more details or new info. Ads and commercials are based on repetitive messaging. If you note some specific messages that I might have missed, post the message number. Thanks for any help. Impartial
I have been reading this informative and helpful forum daily for the past three months. The Avalon has been highly acclaimed and reviewed here and I decided to purchase one. Little did I realize the Limited would be so hard to find, finally resorting to placing an order and was told the wait would be 6 to 8 weeks, or more.
Yesterday was my lucky day. I just happened to check a local San Diego area dealer and they had just gotten in a Limited Phantom Gray Pearl/Graphite (LB16) Leather with 5 miles on the odometer. It was equipped with optional equipment:
Dynamic Laser Cruise Control (CL) Navigation (NV) Vehicle Stability Control (VD), with TRAC and Brake Assist Carpet Floor Mats/Trunk Mat (CF).
The MSRP sticker on the window was $37,429. After negotiations, the cash price I paid was $34,739—nearly $2700 below MSRP. I am very happy with the car and the price.
I checked havalongavalong’s very helpful list and found the tires were overinflated to 36 pounds, the fog lights seemed very secure...no rattles or wobbles, and the exhaust pipes were very slightly uneven (the dealer is going to adjust). No other problems noted and it goes like a rocket, is VERY quiet, and is FUN to drive. Thanks to all the posters here for being so informative and helpful.
________ item ___________ problem _________origin or suggested solution ___ see posts #
1. dual exhaust pipes___vertical misalignment__bend support arm up__3817, 3851, 3852, 4302 2. dual exhaust pipes___horizontal misalignment___should not bend tailpipe ___ 4302 3. dual exhaust pipes___length misalignment___waiting for Toyota to reply__ 3817, 4299, 4302 4. passenger seat belt__rattles when not in use___twist belt, re-orient buckle__3011, 3016, 3017 5. passenger seat belt__rattles when not in use___raise pillar anchor to top___3028, 3693, 3694 6. tire pressure________too high upon delivery____set at 32 psi cold___ 3281, 3426, 3829, 4602 7. rear view mirror______too high or too low_______adjust support arm angle---4769, 4778 8. steering (Touring) ____pulls to the right________contact Dealer___ 3960, 4002, 4874, 4886 9. fog lights and trim____slightly loose; may rattle___don't know yet___ 4981 10. tuner & deck covers__don't lift at same rate______have them fixed___4981, 4982 11. tuner or deck cover__doesn't latch if slammed___ just press below release button___5009 12. document folio_____cheap plastic from Dealer___insist on getting a nicer one___ 4852, 4904 13. R side near wheel___faint sound after engine starts__evaporator pump starts (normal)__4231 14. dash & door trim__pwood may seem misaligned__optical illusion (recline seat to view)__4778 15. rear window roof liner__only glued; not tucked in__don’t let children reach up & detach___5013 16. rear sunshade (Limited)___ squeaks or binds ______contact Dealer_____5029
Feel free to continue to update or add new items and re-post this list as needed.
Ladies and Gentlemen, this concludes my one-time contribution as first honorary chair of the Avalon Owners Delivery Checklist. I will now pass this honor to someone else who is willing to update this list as new findings are brought forward. I suggest that the next honorary chair may be a US Avalon Limited owner, aware of specific limitations limited to the Limited.
Thanks to all for your appreciated input. Here are some replies:
“Why are you up at 3:49 AM? Do you work the night shift?” chipmunk47 post #5026
Well, chip, the answer is that I was up late last night, but not THAT late. I post from the Canadian Southwest, which is many miles, km, and time zones away from you in the US Northeast. All postings are time-stamped as per Eastern time zone.
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“16. Rear Window__Always Seems A Little Fuzzy__Turn Down The Bass!!” agent post #5027
Thanks, agent. I think this entry better belongs in the soon-to-be-compiled list of “useful tips”.
Or, perhaps in another new list called “Compendium of 2005 Avalon LOL posts”, for which a shoe-in as chair might be Groza?
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“LOL. Means, laugh out loud” just me post #5028
AHA! Thanks very much, just me. I had guessed “lots of laughs”. I'm glad it’s not something else that had also come to mind.
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“lots of luck...that's what it means to me...tongue in cheek” justgreat47 post #5036
Thanks, that’s great, justgreat47. NOPE that was not it.
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OK, folks, gotta go take a first drive into the Pacific. I’m starting today on my dream trip to Bermuda. Good opportunity to check the water seals around the Avalon doors – I’ll let you know!
Overall, you got a very good deal, but you overpaid by $700 on the extended warranty. Numerous posts re Business Manager, Toyota of Greenfield, Massachusetts have confirmed (also by my own contact) their price of $985 for this warranty. See post #2640 for someone who also bought there. You have thirty days to get your money back from your dealer, or you could perhaps maneuver them into matching the price, as others have also done. :shades:
“Check the paint - mine had a slight pinhead imperfection. Not enough for me to hassle the dealer about. Rear sunshade squeaks or binds. I recall this item from a previous post. You may also want to include the previous big items such as engine hesitation and transmission lag.”
Is the paint defect issue serious enough to enter in the checklist? If so, next Chair please do.
I entered the Rear sunshade as item #16.
OK, about the engine hesitation/transmission observations: were these not ANTICIPATED problems and concerns raised by recent Lexus and Camry model owners who, PRIOR to release of the 2005 Avalon, feared that such problems could also show up in the Avalon?
Is hesitation a real problem for new Avalon owners? If so, this really needs to be put on the list. I haven't done a recent search for hesitation (my apologies), so if anyone feels this issue needs to be brought forward please say so!
Cool your jets, Impartial. You hadn't said you had tried the "Search this Discussion" feature without success (for you). Many newer members to this Forum haven't tried it, or become aware of its value, and a friendly suggestion seemed to be in order. I don't disagree with any of your points. Because a topic has been discussed certainly doesn't mean all questions have been answered or that something new cannot be added, but it does mean that using a tool like "Search this Discussion" is a good idea to see what has already been asked and answered and therefore isn't new. There is more than one way to achieve "redundancy"--"Search this Discussion" is one of them.
Your question has in fact been previously answered. See post #2640 by Hutch34. He's the only non-local buyer I am aware of on this forum who has actually purchased the extended warranty from Toyota of Greenfield, MA (see Business Manager). I have also been in personal communication with them to verify the price and will be purchasing my warranty from them when I get my Avalon. Basically, they need a signed copy of the paperwork showing the VIN number of your Avalon and a signed statement from you as to the current mileage, along with payment. Others have used their price of $985 for 7 yr 100 K 0 deductible Platinum Toyota warranty to negotiate matching prices from their local dealer (see post #2642). I made the original post on this forum about them after reading a post on another bulletin board by a different guy who had also made a warranty purchase from them over the phone, and wanted to recommend them.
Thanks havalong!!!! You have done a great service to all of us owners and soon to be owners. I would gladly post tips and tricks but most information can be obtained from the Toyota Avalon owner's manual or online as you suggested at www.mynewavalon.com. My car is a Canadian issue XLS with VSC,TRAC, brake assist, and premium sound system. The Limited model is not available in Canada, so I don't feel qualified to give out any tips or tricks for U.S. models. I have been out of commission for a few weeks following surgery and am home recovering nicely, but can't drive our new car for another week or two. My wife is having fun chauffeuring me around. Can't wait to get back behind the wheel!!! Take care!!! gladiator99
Is there any chance you or somebody else that has the XLS with graphite interior and darker wood trim could post a picture of it? I've looked everywhere on the lots and on the internet and have come up empty trying to find that combination. Thanks alot.
I don't know a lot about these things, but it seems to me that the price from you dealer ($1600) is excessively high. I just picked up my new Limited on 4/28 and the dealer's price on the Toyota Platinum warranty for 6 years or 75,000 miles was $870 if I sign up in the next 30 days. They also told me that I could purchase this directly from Toyota on line after that but the price would be around $1200 or so. I do not remember the exact cost but they did show it to me on the computer. Well, that is my two cents. I hope it helps but before I would do anything, I would check on line with Toyota.
The only hesitation that I've seen with my Touring Avalon is the expression on peoples faces when: 1. I leave them in the dust from a stop light :shades: 2. they try to figure out what it is that I'm driving :surprise: 3. they're wondering why they paid so much more for a used Lexus and last but certainly not least 4. she says while sitting in her Mercedes... "wow. I wonder if he's single!" :P
Here are the photos I promised. I don't know about anyone else, but I love the lines. The 2nd and 3rd shots show the gold pinstripe and the chrome wheel lip moulding as well as the door edge guard. I didn't request any of these so I don't know if that is something this dealer does as part of their normal uplift or someone just thought it looked good. I like it!
>> All postings are time-stamped as per Eastern time zone.
Actually, you can control that in your Preferences settings - you define the offset to Eastern Time so that you see the time correctly for your location.
Of course that won't prevent someone who is in a time zone five hours ahead of you from still thinking you are up too late.
I didn't really get the impression that impartial's "jets" were blazing ... let's don't get too heated about this.
I'm sure he will appreciate your pointing him to the information he was seeking. Meanwhile, others can chime in if anything is different since those posts and he can ask any further questions he may have.
One thing about a vibrant message board (which this one certainly is) - the information is always flowing, changing and being updated. And that's exactly what we're looking for and why we are all here.
Thank you gladiator99 for your support. Glad to hear that you are recovering well, keep it up! Since your wife has been chauffeuring you around, have you been sitting in front, or in back? Might as well experience in person the privilege of traveling in the Avalon Elite back seat, while you can; eh? According to my teen kids and their friends it is "awesome".
funguy, The graphite interior is a medium(not dark) gray. I had the same color in my Lexus and did not find it hot. I think it will look better longer than a lighter color. Also preferred the color of wood trim that went with it. I live in North Florida. mmg1
It is raining like mad here, I drove my Avalon & all is fine, but the wipers make a lot of noise. These new wipers don't seem to be like the older ones
Impartial- I purchased the extended warranty last month from Toyota of Greenfield even though I live in Georgia (a long ways from Massachusetts). My dealer said the best they could do was $1200 even though I told them about Greenfield's offer. I paid $985.
For the life of me I cannot see why all the hoopla about the Avalon Version 3.0. This car lacks personality and looks like a bloated Solara or a prehistoric Buick. I think Toyota squandered the opportunity to build a near luxury car.
This Avalon iteration is a collection of disparate design cues and not a unified theme. Take the console for example, unlike Version 2.0 that aroused the visceral senses, this model is bland with a bread box cover to hide the controls. To put it mildly, this is a hideous monstrosity that only a senior citizen could love.
Sorry Toyota, but I will be shopping Infiniti M35/45. For a few extra grand I will be driving a genuine luxury car, not a lump of protoplasm.
>>>First though, for those mentioning Florida. I live in South Florida and bought a LTD with every option including the 18 inch wheels for 3K under sticker. <<<
Protoplasm is the contents of a living cell. And you are right in your observation. The way this car is leaving the dealer's lots, somtimes priced at near full MSRP, this baby is alive and well...........
Obviously you have a strong opinion and no doubt that you are more influenced by the M's nameplate and target audience. I own 4 cars, three are 2005 including a new Avalon Limited (loaded) and money is not an issue. I have test driven a dozen cars including the new M35AWD as well as the top 50-60k cars. The M35/45 a nice car. But if you really have any clue about the balance of quality, seating size, comfort and cost / value ratio then you might be able to understand why people like the new Avalon. Seriously, this car is not intended to compete with a M35 audience. Don't spoil everyone else's enthusiasm
Yes, I bought the Toyota Platinum Care extended from Greenfield Toyota of Massachusetts. Just sent them a copy of registeration, vin number and check. Got the warranty in a couple of weeks. $985. Closest I could get to that was $1295 at a dealer in Dallas. The dealer I bought mine from didn't sell it, he sold Mechanical Protection Plan that he claimed was a lot better for $1695. I compared the two and didn't really see any difference in coverage.
"RE: "I have to remember to pull the fob out of my pocket and press the arming button. Not a big deal but since the fob just sits in my pants pocket all the time and I don't have it in my hand like with a regular key I forget to pull it out and use it." mikeS, Assuming you are referring to the SmartKey system, you can lock and arm the car by just pressing the black button on the door handle, as long as the SmartKey is in your pocket. The arming button on the fob is an option, but the other method is easier. This is described in the owner's manual. I hope this is helpful. sward"
Way cool! I'll have to check this out. Thanks for the info.
"I actually did use the "Search this discussion" function before I posed the question. I read messages that seemed to be hypothesizing about going to a second Toyota dealer for a better price on the 7 year, 100,000 mile warranty ... but I wasn't sure that anyone had actually done this. Since my dealer wants $1,600, I'd prefer to be able to buy elsewhere. I know this has been speculated about and discussed, BUT has anyone actually done this?
The "Search this discussion" function is helpful ... but just because a topic has been discussed before doesn't mean all questions have been answered or something new can't be added.
So my question remains: Has anyone actually purchased a new Avalon, and subsequently bought a Toyota extended warranty from another dealer on the basis of a better price?
Even if you feel the topic has been fully covered, "redundancy" can be reassuring for those like me who feel they need clarification, more details or new info. Ads and commercials are based on repetitive messaging. If you note some specific messages that I might have missed, post the message number. Thanks for any help. Impartial "
After almost 3 months and 5K miles I had a small problem with my 05 LTD. The drivers door panel at the rear of the door came loose from its clip and had to be reclipped to the frame. I am Soooo dissapointed! Otherwise all is well with the new world of Avalon.
My CanadAvalon XLS-1 Titanium Bullet turns 2 months old today.
Covered 3,500 km (2,200 mi) to date, 80% on urban/suburban hilly roads, < 10% on highways.
Had generally very nice spring weather, 5 to 20 degrees C (40-70 F) with occasional rain.
During the first month I tried to accelerate moderately. In the second month I regained my natural position at the head of the pack and first off stop lights. Mostly I drove alone or with 1 or 2 passengers.
Over 6 weeks, I got fair but not impressive gas mileage, averaging at 13.2 liters/100 km (or 17.8 mpg)[conversion formulas: mpg = 235/(liters/100 km) and liters/100 km = 235/mpg]
To date my best average, on a stretch of level highway driving, was 6.5 liters/100 km (or 36.1 mpg) but unfortunately this does not represent my typical daily driving.
If traffic permits and until a light turns red on me, I tend to accelerate quickly and then maintain a fairly constant cruising speed. I watch the traffic flow, change lanes when I see openings, but I don't race to a red light if I'll have to slam on the brakes; I just speed up to pass dark yellow lights.
For a few weeks I paid some attention to using the D+/D- "manual shifting" option, but decided that it did not seem to make much difference because the automatic shifting is very responsive and can be controlled predictably with the accelerator pedal. Some reviewers have already commented on this.
In the past week I changed my driving style to see how much the fuel economy could improve without reducing my average speed or total travel time. What I discovered (or re-discovered, since my early driving days with manual transmissions) is that what really can improve fuel economy is to shift from Drive to Neutral in level or downhill stretches and let the car coast. In this free-wheeling mode, the Avalon can go forever with little speed loss on level, and can pick up a lot of speed down hills! Of course, all cars will do this to some extent; but the Avalon has very low wind resistance and apparently rolling resistance too.
A couple thousand posts ago or so, I think it was agent that commented on the engine seeming to "fight the brakes," and I replied that having the engine engaged actually assists braking. It does so, but at a cost: when I step on the brakes and the car is slowing down, my Avalon's transmission seems to down-shift, because the RPM often go up while I am braking. The added engine torque assists the brakes, but there seems to be a cost in extra fuel use.
What I did this past week is to accelerate as usual off a stop light and while traveling up a hill, but then put the car in Neutral to de-couple the engine along level or downhill stretches and let it free-wheel, with the engine simply idling at 800 RPM under zero load. I could just watch the average fuel use get better and better. The result of this test over the past week, driving along similar routes, is impressive: 11.2 liters/100 km (or 21.0 mpg) which is a 15% improvement.
Of course, while driving in N, I had to remain aware of two things: first, that the brakes need to make a greater effort when the engine is not assisting [this could be dangerous and may also contribute to shorter lifetime of brake pads and eventually rotors], and I had to remember to shift back into Drive when it was time to accelerate again.
Again, I should caution anyone reading this, that there are some risks when you shift back and forth between D and N during hilly city driving: the load on the brakes is greater, brakes will wear faster, and you'll need to be alert and shift back into D when it's time to accelerate again, every time.
And don't EVER think of turning the engine Off while driving down a hill -- with Power Off, your brakes and steering would rapidly become dangerously heavy!!
For those who enjoy "manual" shifting, I suggest that shifting between D and N is a more productive entertainment than shifting between "virtual" 1-2-3-4-5 speeds using the D+ and D- options, because you can really do better than the automatic transmission can and save quite a bit of gas when the car can coast with the engine disengaged. I was also very impressed by the smoothness with which the engine picks up again when I shifted from N back into D while moving at any speed between 0 and 120 km/h (75 mph).
Has anyone else tried this? Any comments?
OK, I see it's pretty late in the night again... time to sign off.
First off, I would like to start with a confession -- actually make that two confessions. The first one being that I have been keeping my eye on this forum for at least a month, as I have been doing some extensive research on various sedans on the market.
Secondly, being someone who has managed to narrow my choices almost exclusively down to the new 2005 release of Toyota's flagship sedan: I bear absolutely no resemblance to Toyota's projected demographic for Avalon owners. Not only am I a single 24 year old software engineer, but if I decide on the Toyota Avalon Limited, it will be my first car.
This is by no means an apologetic confession, as it is a source of wonderment for me. Is it indeed a fluke for someone of my category to favor automobiles with a luxurious interior, attractive -- yet tasteful styling, exceptional performance that will allow me to safely navigate through Silicon Valley traffic, world-class reliability, and a voluminous cabin that isolates it's occupants from the harshness and noise of the outside?
If so, then Toyota is to blame. Thanks to their decision to drop in a 280 HP demon, throw in enough cool electronic toys (albeit useful ones) to make a software geek like me go "Ga-Ga", and transplant a bloated version of the Lexus LS interior into their new Avalon, I simply see no point in continuing my original pursuit of interest: the 2006 Lexus GS.
Yes, the GS is a stunning sight (I've already seen several roaming about). And the interior is a work of art. But is the extra "sportiness" truly worth the loss of cabin space, and the need to pay a king's random for the many options that are actually standard on the Avalon Limited? To give everyone an idea, the price-tag for adding Ventilated front seats, a rear-window sunshade and powered sun-roof (which are all standard on the Avalon Limited) to a base-line Lexus GS 300 is $1,410.
Once added with all the other options I want, we are talking about a final sticker-price at over $10k more than a comparably equipped Toyota Avalon. Granted, the Lexus badge is the culprit here. But, every other car that I have brought into consideration has their share of shortcomings:
1.) First we have the Infiniti G35, which looks attractive on the outside, and has a handsome feature-set. But, If it weren't for the bizarre retro/futuristic interior and its sub-par gas mileage, It would be a strong contender. :P
2.) Then there is the Acura TL. Inside it looks great, in many ways much like the Lexus GS, in fact. Yes it has the performance, but if the sportiness requires that I have to content with having my drink splashing all-over-the place when I pass over a road-bump and for road noise to penetrate from the outside, then I'm not interested. Besides, I never cared for the front-styling of Hondas/Acuras.
2.) How about the Audi A4? If it weren't for some reports I've found indicating that Audi, as a company, have been showing improvements in the reliability of their vehicles: I wouldn't even have gave them a thought. Well, after witnessing my legs being sandwiched between the front and rear seats: I wont be giving them a second thought. :P
So, here I am, finding myself almost exclusively interested in a car that is supposedly intended for folks three times my age. And having parents that own a 1997 Mercury Sable Wagon (which is actually wider and longer than the Avalon), I am baffled by the reviews that write-off the 2005 Avalon as an obese sedan with no spirit. When I took the Avalon for a spin: let me tell you, I was more than satisfied with the growl that the engine made as we darted out of the dealership.
For those of you that currently do, or will, own the new 2005 Avalon Limited, and fit the demographic: kudos on making a wise decision to select what appears to be a brilliant piece of engineering. As for someone who has been enslaved by Mass transit for four years, I'm not about to wait another 40 years for the car that I truly want.
Just purchased a new Avalon 2005 XLS and found that it will take an oil filter cartridge and has to have the computer reset when the oil is changed. My Chevy truck has to have the computer reset after each change and the manual says how to do it. The toyota manual does not. Anyone know how to reset the computer after an oil change?
photoquests, your photo of your Blizzard Pearl Avalon Limited is AWESOME!!! I love everything about your photo(the background, trees, sky, and etc.). Your Avalon is a movie star, and is definitely the star of this photo.
Ryandse: Very well said. I too do not fit the standard demographic for "Toyota's Buick." Some people will continue their negative campaign concerning the Avalon and that's ok with me. I too might be a little spiteful if I had paid much more for a lessor car. Let's take it easy on them guys. lol
When I first started my new car search, the Avalon didn't even cross my mind!! I actually only found out about the new redesign when I went into the dealer to to test drive a Camry! As I sat in the Camry to see what it was like, I couldn't peal my eyes off the silver car next to me. Why is there a Lexus on the Toyota lot? What is that sexy car? I raced through the Camry test drive so I get to driving the new Avalon!
I have gotten looks and comments from every demographic out there. Yesterday a kid (18 or so) held up traffic behind him while he asked me about it. One of my clients won't meet me at properties anymore. He insists that I pick him up. :surprise: I bought the Avalon because I needed a certain wow factor for my clients. In the end, I couldn't be happier with my decision. To anyone who doesn't like the looks of the new Avalon, come check out my Phantom Grey Touring. If you still don't like it, seek therapy. :P
I also live in south Florida, and have found all dealers have marked up the sticker from 3-5k. After haggling the best anyone would do was actual sticker. I would love to know the name of the dealer you bought from. I also am looking at a LTD.
hello all! i just want to thanks to edmomds and everybody at this forums,like you can see i`m from dominican republic, i was not a toyota fan,but we had a 02 toyota camry for my wife, because toyota is one of the premium resale car around here, anyway i have seen all yours post in the last 3 mouth more less,we bout toyota avalon LTD for her 2 mouth ago and wednesday i`m coming to get it ,is about 3 weeks is in the country ,but for costum buracratic reasons we have to wait ,i`m more impatient to get it than my wife,because i read this forums and she really doesn`t know much about cars,but she likes good ones :P , who doesn`t? :P ,sa far tha i c an see is great car botton line ,but if think how much it cost there become one of the greatest car per price in all time not daub!!! and i have a a great bmw x5 that means i know a litlle bit what i`m talking about,i was scare to post because my english, sorry for that, but did want to post to contribute a litle bit if you think so and you guys want to know something about the car from this place of the erth , again thanks all very much, excuseme my english, and PAT i need some suport here ,but it is whith my english, . :confuse:
Hi agent, agent here as well. I'm considering the Gray in either the Touring or the XLS. Did not having the VSC or heated seats concern you at all? Especially the VSC. That's my hesitation with the Touring.
Okay, so maybe I am the only owner that has soap and water accumulate behind the plastic on the tail lights when I wash the car....then, you get the annoying drip down the bumper for several hours, so you wipe and wipe and wipe. Please tell me I am not alone on this one.
CCrider: That's a personal choice. At first I wanted the VSC but after thinking about it and tossing and turning over it, I decided that the cost factor wasn't justified for me. I love the Touring suspension, the HID lights you don't get with the XLS, and the rims that seem to be made for and match the Phantom Grey. If the Touring was offered with VSC I would have gotten it but it's not so I didn't. I spent a LONG time making my decision and now that I have it, I couldn't be happier. I've never had VSC before so I think I can go a few more years without.
Heated seats are nice but when your car payment is $536/mth (a $220 jump for me) my frugal self will again continue to live without.
Oh and one more thing. You can't lay down rubber with VSC. What good is 280hp if you can't peel out? :shades:
Agent, -- I am sure you wrote that piece with tongue firmly planted in cheek. At age 24, why would a young man just out of college be interested in an Avalon? Get a life.
First you wrote that this will be your first car and next you make the statement that your car payments would increase $220. As a 2000 XLS Avalon owner, I thought the 2005 would be different in terms of evolutionary aesthetics. Not, this GM derivative behemoth.
Bwai: If you are referring to me, you may want to read my posts again before making statements like that. Ignorance is bliss and you're on cloud nine. To each their own. And why change the topic title in your reply? I'm not sure which post you're speaking of.
Thanks for the nice comments. And yes, the real star is the Avalon. For its next starring role I plan on taking it to the downtown lights of Reno one night and shooting the reflections off the Blizzard Pearl paint. With a mix of static shots and actions shots, the Blizzard Pearl should provide the perfect canvas for highlighting the colorful neon of the Biggest Little City, America's Adventure Place... Stay Tuned. Of course my wife doesn't understand all the fuss. After just owning an Infiniti G35 coupe and a BMW X5 just before that, the Avalon is just a Toyota? I'm with you guys, the satisfaction of passing chunks of rolling metal, plastic and electronics (ok and real wood!) with high-end name tags gives me a warm and fuzzy. Of couse it might just be that the $10K-$15K that I just save bought me some great new camera gear.
Anyway, check back, I promise some great Avalon shot in the near future. Here's another one from yesterday. To my trained eye this car's lines are all put toghether into a harmony of shapes and fluid movement.
Koketo, welcome to the forum! I also own the Avalon Limited and both you and your wife will be very pleased once you get your Limited. Don't worry about your english. What you wanted to say came across just fine! Let us know when you get your Limited and tell us what you and your wife thinks of it. Regards: Dan
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Otherwise this is one fantastic car. Love everything about it.
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The "Search this discussion" function is helpful ... but just because a topic has been discussed before doesn't mean all questions have been answered or something new can't be added.
So my question remains: Has anyone actually purchased a new Avalon, and subsequently bought a Toyota extended warranty from another dealer on the basis of a better price?
Even if you feel the topic has been fully covered, "redundancy" can be reassuring for those like me who feel they need clarification, more details or new info. Ads and commercials are based on repetitive messaging. If you note some specific messages that I might have missed, post the message number. Thanks for any help. Impartial
Yesterday was my lucky day. I just happened to check a local San Diego area dealer and they had just gotten in a Limited Phantom Gray Pearl/Graphite (LB16) Leather with 5 miles on the odometer. It was equipped with optional equipment:
Dynamic Laser Cruise Control (CL)
Navigation (NV)
Vehicle Stability Control (VD), with TRAC and Brake Assist
Carpet Floor Mats/Trunk Mat (CF).
The MSRP sticker on the window was $37,429. After negotiations, the cash price I paid was $34,739—nearly $2700 below MSRP. I am very happy with the car and the price.
I checked havalongavalong’s very helpful list and found the tires were overinflated to 36 pounds, the fog lights seemed very secure...no rattles or wobbles, and the exhaust pipes were very slightly uneven (the dealer is going to adjust). No other problems noted and it goes like a rocket, is VERY quiet, and is FUN to drive. Thanks to all the posters here for being so informative and helpful.
________ item ___________ problem _________origin or suggested solution ___ see posts #
1. dual exhaust pipes___vertical misalignment__bend support arm up__3817, 3851, 3852, 4302
2. dual exhaust pipes___horizontal misalignment___should not bend tailpipe ___ 4302
3. dual exhaust pipes___length misalignment___waiting for Toyota to reply__ 3817, 4299, 4302
4. passenger seat belt__rattles when not in use___twist belt, re-orient buckle__3011, 3016, 3017
5. passenger seat belt__rattles when not in use___raise pillar anchor to top___3028, 3693, 3694
6. tire pressure________too high upon delivery____set at 32 psi cold___ 3281, 3426, 3829, 4602
7. rear view mirror______too high or too low_______adjust support arm angle---4769, 4778
8. steering (Touring) ____pulls to the right________contact Dealer___ 3960, 4002, 4874, 4886
9. fog lights and trim____slightly loose; may rattle___don't know yet___ 4981
10. tuner & deck covers__don't lift at same rate______have them fixed___4981, 4982
11. tuner or deck cover__doesn't latch if slammed___ just press below release button___5009
12. document folio_____cheap plastic from Dealer___insist on getting a nicer one___ 4852, 4904
13. R side near wheel___faint sound after engine starts__evaporator pump starts (normal)__4231
14. dash & door trim__pwood may seem misaligned__optical illusion (recline seat to view)__4778
15. rear window roof liner__only glued; not tucked in__don’t let children reach up & detach___5013
16. rear sunshade (Limited)___ squeaks or binds ______contact Dealer_____5029
Feel free to continue to update or add new items and re-post this list as needed.
Ladies and Gentlemen, this concludes my one-time contribution as first honorary chair of the Avalon Owners Delivery Checklist. I will now pass this honor to someone else who is willing to update this list as new findings are brought forward. I suggest that the next honorary chair may be a US Avalon Limited owner, aware of specific limitations limited to the Limited.
Best wishes to all,
havalongavalon
“Why are you up at 3:49 AM? Do you work the night shift?” chipmunk47 post #5026
Well, chip, the answer is that I was up late last night, but not THAT late. I post from the Canadian Southwest, which is many miles, km, and time zones away from you in the US Northeast. All postings are time-stamped as per Eastern time zone.
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“16. Rear Window__Always Seems A Little Fuzzy__Turn Down The Bass!!” agent post #5027
Thanks, agent. I think this entry better belongs in the soon-to-be-compiled list of “useful tips”.
Or, perhaps in another new list called “Compendium of 2005 Avalon LOL posts”, for which a shoe-in as chair might be Groza?
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“LOL. Means, laugh out loud” just me post #5028
AHA! Thanks very much, just me. I had guessed “lots of laughs”. I'm glad it’s not something else that had also come to mind.
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“lots of luck...that's what it means to me...tongue in cheek” justgreat47 post #5036
Thanks, that’s great, justgreat47. NOPE that was not it.
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OK, folks, gotta go take a first drive into the Pacific. I’m starting today on my dream trip to Bermuda. Good opportunity to check the water seals around the Avalon doors – I’ll let you know!
havalongavalon
“Check the paint - mine had a slight pinhead imperfection. Not enough for me to hassle the dealer about. Rear sunshade squeaks or binds. I recall this item from a previous post. You may also want to include the previous big items such as engine hesitation and transmission lag.”
Is the paint defect issue serious enough to enter in the checklist? If so, next Chair please do.
I entered the Rear sunshade as item #16.
OK, about the engine hesitation/transmission observations: were these not ANTICIPATED problems and concerns raised by recent Lexus and Camry model owners who, PRIOR to release of the 2005 Avalon, feared that such problems could also show up in the Avalon?
Is hesitation a real problem for new Avalon owners? If so, this really needs to be put on the list. I haven't done a recent search for hesitation (my apologies), so if anyone feels this issue needs to be brought forward please say so!
Thanks,
havalongavalon
Your question has in fact been previously answered. See post #2640 by Hutch34. He's the only non-local buyer I am aware of on this forum who has actually purchased the extended warranty from Toyota of Greenfield, MA (see Business Manager). I have also been in personal communication with them to verify the price and will be purchasing my warranty from them when I get my Avalon. Basically, they need a signed copy of the paperwork showing the VIN number of your Avalon and a signed statement from you as to the current mileage, along with payment. Others have used their price of $985 for 7 yr 100 K 0 deductible Platinum Toyota warranty to negotiate matching prices from their local dealer (see post #2642). I made the original post on this forum about them after reading a post on another bulletin board by a different guy who had also made a warranty purchase from them over the phone, and wanted to recommend them.
You have done a great service to all of us owners and soon to be owners. I would gladly post tips and tricks but most information can be obtained from the Toyota Avalon owner's manual or online as you suggested at www.mynewavalon.com. My car is a Canadian issue XLS with VSC,TRAC, brake assist, and premium sound system. The Limited model is not available in Canada, so I don't feel qualified to give out any tips or tricks for U.S. models.
I have been out of commission for a few weeks following surgery and am home recovering nicely, but can't drive our new car for another week or two. My wife is having fun chauffeuring me around. Can't wait to get back behind the wheel!!!
Take care!!!
gladiator99
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Actually, you can control that in your Preferences settings - you define the offset to Eastern Time so that you see the time correctly for your location.
Of course that won't prevent someone who is in a time zone five hours ahead of you from still thinking you are up too late.
I'm sure he will appreciate your pointing him to the information he was seeking. Meanwhile, others can chime in if anything is different since those posts and he can ask any further questions he may have.
One thing about a vibrant message board (which this one certainly is) - the information is always flowing, changing and being updated. And that's exactly what we're looking for and why we are all here.
All best wishes,
havalongavalon
havalongavalon
The graphite interior is a medium(not dark) gray. I had the same color in my Lexus and did not find it hot. I think it will look better longer than a lighter color. Also preferred the color of wood trim that went with it. I live in North Florida.
mmg1
I would love to post a pic ,but I am not computor savvy enough to get it to this forum.
mmg1
I purchased the extended warranty last month from Toyota of Greenfield even though I live in Georgia (a long ways from Massachusetts). My dealer said the best they could do was $1200 even though I told them about Greenfield's offer. I paid $985.
This Avalon iteration is a collection of disparate design cues and not a unified theme. Take the console for example, unlike Version 2.0 that aroused the visceral senses, this model is bland with a bread box cover to hide the controls. To put it mildly, this is a hideous monstrosity that only a senior citizen could love.
Sorry Toyota, but I will be shopping Infiniti M35/45. For a few extra grand I will be driving a genuine luxury car, not a lump of protoplasm.
Thx.
Dean
Hi,
Can you please mention which dealer that was?
TIA
Dean
I don't like the diamond cut wheels compared to what is in the after market so much. But that is just opinion. I like some BBS wheels.
Dean
by the M's nameplate and target audience. I own 4 cars, three are 2005 including a new Avalon Limited (loaded) and money is not an issue. I have test driven a dozen cars including the new M35AWD as well as the top 50-60k cars. The M35/45 a nice car. But if you really have any clue about the balance of quality, seating size, comfort and cost / value ratio then you might be able to understand why people like the new Avalon. Seriously, this car is not intended to compete with a M35 audience. Don't spoil everyone else's enthusiasm
mikeS,
Assuming you are referring to the SmartKey system, you can lock and arm the car by just pressing the black button on the door handle, as long as the SmartKey is in your pocket. The arming button on the fob is an option, but the other method is easier. This is described in the owner's manual. I hope this is helpful.
sward"
Way cool! I'll have to check this out. Thanks for the info.
MikeS.
The "Search this discussion" function is helpful ... but just because a topic has been discussed before doesn't mean all questions have been answered or something new can't be added.
So my question remains: Has anyone actually purchased a new Avalon, and subsequently bought a Toyota extended warranty from another dealer on the basis of a better price?
Even if you feel the topic has been fully covered, "redundancy" can be reassuring for those like me who feel they need clarification, more details or new info. Ads and commercials are based on repetitive messaging. If you note some specific messages that I might have missed, post the message number. Thanks for any help. Impartial "
YES, I have. From Greenfield Toyota in Mass.
MikeS.
MikeS.
Covered 3,500 km (2,200 mi) to date, 80% on urban/suburban hilly roads, < 10% on highways.
Had generally very nice spring weather, 5 to 20 degrees C (40-70 F) with occasional rain.
During the first month I tried to accelerate moderately. In the second month I regained my natural position at the head of the pack and first off stop lights. Mostly I drove alone or with 1 or 2 passengers.
Over 6 weeks, I got fair but not impressive gas mileage, averaging at 13.2 liters/100 km (or 17.8 mpg) [conversion formulas: mpg = 235/(liters/100 km) and liters/100 km = 235/mpg]
To date my best average, on a stretch of level highway driving, was 6.5 liters/100 km (or 36.1 mpg) but unfortunately this does not represent my typical daily driving.
If traffic permits and until a light turns red on me, I tend to accelerate quickly and then maintain a fairly constant cruising speed. I watch the traffic flow, change lanes when I see openings, but I don't race to a red light if I'll have to slam on the brakes; I just speed up to pass dark yellow lights.
For a few weeks I paid some attention to using the D+/D- "manual shifting" option, but decided that it did not seem to make much difference because the automatic shifting is very responsive and can be controlled predictably with the accelerator pedal. Some reviewers have already commented on this.
In the past week I changed my driving style to see how much the fuel economy could improve without reducing my average speed or total travel time. What I discovered (or re-discovered, since my early driving days with manual transmissions) is that what really can improve fuel economy is to shift from Drive to Neutral in level or downhill stretches and let the car coast. In this free-wheeling mode, the Avalon can go forever with little speed loss on level, and can pick up a lot of speed down hills! Of course, all cars will do this to some extent; but the Avalon has very low wind resistance and apparently rolling resistance too.
A couple thousand posts ago or so, I think it was agent that commented on the engine seeming to "fight the brakes," and I replied that having the engine engaged actually assists braking. It does so, but at a cost: when I step on the brakes and the car is slowing down, my Avalon's transmission seems to down-shift, because the RPM often go up while I am braking. The added engine torque assists the brakes, but there seems to be a cost in extra fuel use.
What I did this past week is to accelerate as usual off a stop light and while traveling up a hill, but then put the car in Neutral to de-couple the engine along level or downhill stretches and let it free-wheel, with the engine simply idling at 800 RPM under zero load. I could just watch the average fuel use get better and better. The result of this test over the past week, driving along similar routes, is impressive: 11.2 liters/100 km (or 21.0 mpg) which is a 15% improvement.
Of course, while driving in N, I had to remain aware of two things: first, that the brakes need to make a greater effort when the engine is not assisting [this could be dangerous and may also contribute to shorter lifetime of brake pads and eventually rotors], and I had to remember to shift back into Drive when it was time to accelerate again.
Again, I should caution anyone reading this, that there are some risks when you shift back and forth between D and N during hilly city driving: the load on the brakes is greater, brakes will wear faster, and you'll need to be alert and shift back into D when it's time to accelerate again, every time.
And don't EVER think of turning the engine Off while driving down a hill -- with Power Off, your brakes and steering would rapidly become dangerously heavy!!
For those who enjoy "manual" shifting, I suggest that shifting between D and N is a more productive entertainment than shifting between "virtual" 1-2-3-4-5 speeds using the D+ and D- options, because you can really do better than the automatic transmission can and save quite a bit of gas when the car can coast with the engine disengaged. I was also very impressed by the smoothness with which the engine picks up again when I shifted from N back into D while moving at any speed between 0 and 120 km/h (75 mph).
Has anyone else tried this? Any comments?
OK, I see it's pretty late in the night again... time to sign off.
havalongavalon
The first one being that I have been keeping my eye on this forum for at least a month, as I have been doing some extensive research on various sedans on the market.
Secondly, being someone who has managed to narrow my choices almost exclusively
down to the new 2005 release of Toyota's flagship sedan: I bear absolutely no
resemblance to Toyota's projected demographic for Avalon owners. Not only am I a
single 24 year old software engineer, but if I decide on the Toyota Avalon Limited, it will
be my first car.
This is by no means an apologetic confession, as it is a source of wonderment for me.
Is it indeed a fluke for someone of my category to favor automobiles with a luxurious
interior, attractive -- yet tasteful styling, exceptional performance that will allow me to
safely navigate through Silicon Valley traffic, world-class reliability, and a voluminous
cabin that isolates it's occupants from the harshness and noise of the outside?
If so, then Toyota is to blame. Thanks to their decision to drop in a 280 HP demon, throw in enough cool electronic toys (albeit useful ones) to make a software geek like me go "Ga-Ga", and transplant a bloated version of the Lexus LS interior into their new Avalon, I simply see no point in continuing my original pursuit of interest: the 2006 Lexus GS.
Yes, the GS is a stunning sight (I've already seen several roaming about). And the
interior is a work of art. But is the extra "sportiness" truly worth the loss of cabin space, and the need to pay a king's random for the many options that are actually standard on the Avalon Limited? To give everyone an idea, the price-tag for adding Ventilated front seats, a rear-window sunshade and powered sun-roof (which are all standard on the Avalon Limited) to a base-line Lexus GS 300 is $1,410.
Once added with all the other options I want, we are talking about a final sticker-price at over $10k more than a comparably equipped Toyota Avalon. Granted, the Lexus badge is the culprit here. But, every other car that I have brought into consideration has their share of shortcomings:
1.) First we have the Infiniti G35, which looks attractive on the outside, and has a handsome feature-set. But, If it weren't for the bizarre retro/futuristic interior and its sub-par gas mileage, It would be a strong contender. :P
2.) Then there is the Acura TL. Inside it looks great, in many ways much like the Lexus GS, in fact. Yes it has the performance, but if the sportiness requires that I have to content with having my drink splashing all-over-the place when I pass over a road-bump and for road noise to penetrate from the outside, then I'm not interested. Besides, I never cared for the front-styling of Hondas/Acuras.
2.) How about the Audi A4? If it weren't for some reports I've found indicating that Audi, as a company, have been showing improvements in the reliability of their vehicles: I wouldn't even have gave them a thought. Well, after witnessing my legs being sandwiched between the front and rear seats: I wont be giving them a second thought. :P
So, here I am, finding myself almost exclusively interested in a car that is supposedly intended for folks three times my age. And having parents that own a 1997 Mercury Sable Wagon (which is actually wider and longer than the Avalon), I am baffled by the reviews that write-off the 2005 Avalon as an obese sedan with no spirit. When I took the Avalon for a spin: let me tell you, I was more than satisfied with the growl that the engine made as we darted out of the dealership.
For those of you that currently do, or will, own the new 2005 Avalon Limited, and fit the demographic: kudos on making a wise decision to select what appears to be a brilliant piece of engineering. As for someone who has been enslaved by Mass transit for four
years, I'm not about to wait another 40 years for the car that I truly want.
Tee
When I first started my new car search, the Avalon didn't even cross my mind!! I actually only found out about the new redesign when I went into the dealer to to test drive a Camry! As I sat in the Camry to see what it was like, I couldn't peal my eyes off the silver car next to me. Why is there a Lexus on the Toyota lot? What is that sexy car? I raced through the Camry test drive so I get to driving the new Avalon!
I have gotten looks and comments from every demographic out there. Yesterday a kid (18 or so) held up traffic behind him while he asked me about it. One of my clients won't meet me at properties anymore. He insists that I pick him up. :surprise: I bought the Avalon because I needed a certain wow factor for my clients. In the end, I couldn't be happier with my decision. To anyone who doesn't like the looks of the new Avalon, come check out my Phantom Grey Touring. If you still don't like it, seek therapy. :P
Thank,
Heated seats are nice but when your car payment is $536/mth (a $220 jump for me) my frugal self will again continue to live without.
Oh and one more thing. You can't lay down rubber with VSC. What good is 280hp if you can't peel out? :shades:
First you wrote that this will be your first car and next you make the statement that your car payments would increase $220. As a 2000 XLS Avalon owner, I thought the 2005 would be different in terms of evolutionary aesthetics. Not, this GM derivative behemoth.
Of course my wife doesn't understand all the fuss. After just owning an Infiniti G35 coupe and a BMW X5 just before that, the Avalon is just a Toyota? I'm with you guys, the satisfaction of passing chunks of rolling metal, plastic and electronics (ok and real wood!) with high-end name tags gives me a warm and fuzzy. Of couse it might just be that the $10K-$15K that I just save bought me some great new camera gear.
Anyway, check back, I promise some great Avalon shot in the near future. Here's another one from yesterday. To my trained eye this car's lines are all put toghether into a harmony of shapes and fluid movement.