OK-this may sound like a stupid questions, but please bear in mind that I am not as knowledgeable about the components of sound systems! Can the DVD-A and SACD discs also be played in a regular CD player? I don't want to have to buy discs that I can only play in my car. Please explain when you get a chance!!
DVD-A and SACD are two different formats. They will not play in a regular CD player (in multi-channel mode, some *may* be hybrids that play stereo on standard CD players).
Some DVD players (non-Sony) can play both formats, but the receiever requires 5.1 analog inputs which are usually found on higher end eqiuipment only. I do not believe the Infiniti plays SACD discs. It is more complicated than it should be due to copy protection fears and inability for any standardization on new formats.
"Given your affinity for great sound, have you ever heard of "Flim and the BB's" on the DMP label? If so, any knowledge on whether their albums like "Big Notes" can be had on DVD audio/SACD?"
are you serious--flim and the bb's 'big notes'!!!! wow, what a blast from the past. let me tell you a story (sorry for going ot here)....about 15 years ago my wife and i walked into an audio dealer in nyc (harvey) to buy a cd player. we sauntered into the high end audio room and a salesman came over to us. i said we were just here for a cd player and he said that's fine but can i play something for you....guess what, flim and the bb's 'big notes'....he cranked it up through some fantastic kef monitor speakers and it was the most amazing sound i had ever heard on a stereo.....needless to say we walked out of the dealer with the flim cd, a cd player, and a pair of kef 105.4 monitor speakers....i still have 3 or 4 of the flim cd's, still enjoy them..
Some SACDs have a regular CD player that will play in a standard CD player, but it will be 16-bit 44.1khz stereo, just like a regular cd. A cd player wont know what do to with a DVD-A disc. If you are going to buy the software, it would definitely be worth while to invest in a dual format player. Pioneers and the like can be had now for as little as $200 or so, and can serve duty as a DVD video player as well. You'll also need a receiver or SSP with a multi-channel analog in. As far as I am aware, there are no cars or anything else besides a regular home stereo component that will play an SACD disc in multichannel. The TL, RL, Infiniti systems etc are all DVD-A only for the time being.
Dealer said that the key fob has a rechargable battery - no replacement needed - Manual says the batteries will last about 2 years and then need to be replaced. Anyone know for sure? Mark? Thanks
Ah, what a difference a day makes. Looks like 10 of my 12 dealers received new stock last night and/or finally reported weekend sales. Here's the update from yesterday's post.
Added to inventory M35 - 10 cars M35 Sport - 9 cars M35 AWD - 3 cars M45 - 4 cars M45 Sport - 8 cars
Sold M35 Sport - 3 cars M45 - 2 cars M45 Sport - 2 cars
Current inventories M35 - 55 cars M35 Sport - 127 cars M35 AWD - 41 cars M45 - 86 cars M45 Sport - 140 cars
Salesman said that it gets charged by inserting it into the key fob recepticle down on the left hand side. He said that you occasionally have to insert it in there to recharge the battery
No. Its is for starting the car if the key fob battery goes low or is dead. The key fob takes one CR2025 battery. Instructions for replacement of the battery is in section 8 of the owners manual.
The problem with all Verizon Bluetooth phones has to do with how Verizon has disabled some of the Bluetooth features. They have done this to make sure you purchase Verizon only products with your phone. Verizon has no plans to turn specific features on. In other words their phones are not true Bluetooth enabled.
Brother-in-law bought an M35 Sport for price of an M35, in effect getting $1700+ (difference in their prices) off the car's MSRP. He bought from Scottsdale Infiniti.
Anyone have any updates or advice on the Treo 650? I've read the posts here and also filed a request for support to Infiniti, but have yet to hear back. I have upgraded the Treo software, but only have limited capability. Phone can;
- receive calls - handle outbound calls over speaker if dialed from the phone
But, it cannot dial calls over voice - one of the most valuable features. Anyone else having better luck?
I'm not sure why I keep reading that Sony DVD players can't play DVD-Audio. I bought my first DVD-Audio discs shortly after I picked up my car a few weeks ago. Just for grins I put one in my 5 year old Sony DVD player and my home system never sounded so good! I found it interesting that when I tried them in a Pioneer DVD player it wouldn't work even though it read as a DVD Audio on the display panel. I'm assuming that's because I'm using fiber-optic cable on that system rather than the 5.1 sound on the Sony system. I know this isn't a home theater forum but the DVD-Audio sound has me thinking I need to replace my music collection again. Consider that as an extra expense when buying the tech package!
Well everyone...here is what an M35 looks like with the stock 19" wheels chromed and windows tinted with Charcool non-metalized tint (so as to not interfere with satellite, bluetooth, GPS signals)
I also just wanted to add that I use a Motorola v710 from Verizon wireless with my M35. It works flawlessly. I have it set so that everytime I get into my M it automatically links up so all I have to do is drive and use the button on the steering wheel for calls. An unbelievably nice feature !
I'll take another pic in full sun to really show off the wheels sometime in the near future. I am the first person in my area to get a set of chromes from my dealer.
"I'm not sure why I keep reading that Sony DVD players can't play DVD-Audio"
Because they cant. The disc you tried most likely played as a regular DVD in stereo. No Sony DVD or SACD player supports DVD-A in multichannel. Its the rival to the Sony SACD format, it would be like a Betamax machine playing VHS tapes.
Then I guess I'll try DVD in stereo for awhile. It definitely sounds much better than a standard CD. The Sony also worked on 4 different DVD discs that I tried. Sounds like I'll have to rewire my other DVD player to get the true sound now. Thanks!.
DVD-Audio discs may have Dolby Digital 5.1 encoding on them and when put into ANY DVD player will play at reduced fidelity (the sound is "compressed"). If the DVD-Audio disc has the DVD-Video symbol on it, it will almost always play on any DVD player.
I have several DVD-Audio discs, one of them will not play on my Pioneer Elite 57H unit, in fact when I insert the disc into this unit the unit "reboots" (this is the unit that is a combination DVD player, DVD burner and Tivo). My other DVD-Audio discs all play in my Pioneer DVD player (I have a coax cable leading from the DVD player to the Proceed AVP).
True DVD-Audio requires a DVD-Audio capable player. In my not too unbiased opinion, there is no way that the DVD-Audio disc played back as a DVD-Video would even sound as good as a regular CD (but the DVD-Video sound would be multi-channel rather than 2 channel).
Sony has, I believe, a universal player (I think I saw it in Home Theater Magazine) and it can play DVD-Audio, SACD, HDCD, CD, DVD-Video and DTS. Beats me why the Pioneer player won't play all DVD-Audio discs, unless the disc is not marked DVD-Video.
If you have a true DVD-Audio only disc, it will not (or at least it shouldn't) play back in a regular DVD player. However, if you have a combo disc (containing DVD-Audio and the soundtrack of a DVD-Video) you should be able to play it in AC 3 (aka Dolby Digital 5.1).
To underscore -- DVD-Audio is both multi channel and full frequency uncompressed, DVD-Video sound is "movie sound" quality which is not as high in fidelity as either a standard CD or DVD-Audio (or SACD).
SACD discs (at least the one's I am familiar with) also contain CD sound and will play on CD, DVD and SACD players -- only the latter will reveal the multi-channel sound however.
In the Infiniti M's, if you insert a DVD-Audio disc, it is able to detect that it is such and play it back. Also, if the car is in Park and the Brake is set, a DVD-Video (a movie, e.g.) will also play both video AND audio (the video on the screen in the dash).
If you have the interest in a little experiment, buy or rent the James Taylor DVD concert (Beacon Hall, I think is where it was shot -- NYC). Sit in the sound sweet spot in your home theater system and commence playing the disc -- when the disc's top menu opens it will ask you to pick either Dolby Digital 5.1 or CD Stereo sound. Play the disc until you are familiar with the sound (in DD). Then eject or go to the top menu and select CD sound and play the same tunes at the same volume level again. I had become so jaded and biased in favor of DD 5.1, I was convinced that the stereo mix would somehow sound lifeless and less full than the full-monty surround sound with all five speakers and a sub woofer. Boy was I wrong: plain ol stereo blows DVD-Video-Sound (DD 5.1) away. It is almost like listening to a telephone vs being there (I said almost to make the point that the sonic differences are NOT subtle.)
Both versions sound good, don't get me wrong, and if the novelty of the crowd's applause coming from behind you suits you or is your preference, you'll get no criticism from me. However, when you listen to the same songs in stereo, the sound is much fuller, the placement of the instruments and voices ("imaging" as my audiophile buddies call it) is easier to "see" audibly -- and the bass is incredible, tight and deep.
I had much the same experience when I listened to "Fourplay" in DVD-Audio in the M35x last Sunday.
Like I said, once or twice before, I love multi-channel audio, but it was, perhaps the answer to a question no one was asking. If this great advance makes it commercially it has to be the automobile that saves it, in the long run.
Does the phone number of an incoming call show up on the car's display? Also, were you able to send your phone book to the car, or did you have to manually enter numbers into the car's memory?
My concern with Verizon (since they disable the OBEX profile in the V710) is that any communication between the phone and the car is limited to headset-type use. I want a phone where I can keep it in the console or glove box, screen calls based on caller ID, and simply say "call home" (for example).
I have been under the assumption that Verizon would only allow you to use the speaker and microphone in the car during conversation, but that other features which required the transmission of numbers (like transferring a phone book, seeing caller-ID information, or speaking a phone number to dial) would not work. If I am wrong, please let me know. I have been happy with Verizon's service and coverage but am extremely disappointed in their complete and utter arrogance when it comes to bluetooth. My plan was to switch to Cingular when my contract expires.
By the way, I was on spring break for a week (we had to take the Sequoia--darn), and it took several days to catch up on the forums (M, GS, Luxury sedans). I was having a great time, but missed my M35x (except when on the coasters--now those things corner like they are on...er...rails).
Is that the M35 Sport? If not, how did you get the 19" on the standard or AWD M35? I'm looking to purchase the AWD and would love to have the 19" instead of the stock 18"s at a ridiculous dealer cost. Thanks.
PS. The chrome looks sharp..where did you have them done? and is the car the liquid silver or diamond graphite?
I really cant understand why SACD and DVD-A havent taken off, they have, after all, made it SO EASY. If you're using a coaxial digital cable to your Proceed, DVD-A playback in multichannel shouldnt be possible. Only the latest Pioneers using iLink can play DVD-A or SACD in the digital domain. As for me, I'm quite happy with plain old CD using either 5ch stereo or Dolby PLII panorama. My Elite DV-F07 is much too old to play either new format, and while the DV-59AVi has fantastic performance, it only holds one disc at a time. I'm used to having 301 available at the touch of a button.
IMHO DVD-A and SACD haven't taken off because they demand the listener to sit in one spot basically to fully appreciate the sound.
That will almost never fly at my house -- in the car, sure, at home, hardly.
Jus my 2 cents.
I do not have DVD-A in my house; I can play a DVD-A in DVD-Video Audio mode which is "movie sound" -- which is quite good from a multi-channel point of view. But the plain ol CD still is superior sonically to DD 5.1 in movie mode.
Perhaps if my Proceed had true DVD-A or SACD, I would sing a different tune. But the DTS discs I have do sound very good, but they, too, require the listener to sit in the sweet spot for the duration or the impact is largely lost.
Johnhw: My sentiments exactly. I've had my M35 with all the goodies (tech, nav, journey) for a week now and I make excuses to drive it. It fits like a glove, has plenty of quicks, and handles like a sports car. I'm a real gearhead; have owned > 75 cars in my lifetime. None came even close (and that includes Corvettes, Q45, E300 MB, DeVilles, Sevilles, and a Porsche, etc).
A couple of questions, however; my salesman and the sales manager can't resolve either one.
1) If you lose a transmitter when away from home it appears there's no way to start the car! No, I don't plan to do it ... but hey, you never do know when something silly might happen.
2) And how do you turn off the lane departure warning alarm? Owner's manual says hold the button in for 5 seconds ... we've all tried it but can't shut the danged thing off!
Three trips back to the dealership in a week for more tech advice ... I'm gradually getting the hang of it. Absolutely love this car.
However, the main reason I responded was to compliment you on what is probably one of the best screen names I've seen in ages. I would happily use it if it weren't already taken, and there are others (who shall remain nameless) who should.
Not bad on the rims. Send me an e-mail at jrp52179@hotmail.com and I will send you some pics of my M45 on 20's. I paid around $3K for these after market, so the dealership would probably charge you like $8K. They are 20" X 8.5" Giovanna :shades:
I completely agree with you about DVD-A and SACD not taking off because not very many people sit around at home listening to music (I am one who does though when I can find time). For these formats to survive, they need car manufacturers to start including these systems. If I were Sony, I would be giving auto manufacturers every incentive to start including SACD players in cars. DVD-A already appears in a few, and SACD in none.
The key fob does not have a rechargeable battery in it. It uses a CR2025 battery, similar to many cameras and camcorders (date functions). The key fob receptacle in the car functions as a sort of bypass when the battery in your key fob is dead. Plug the fob into the receptacle and the car will start. Try starting the car with a dead key fob (outside the receptacle) and you will get nothing but frustration.
Since many are tracking inventories to determine if huge discounts are coming soon, I thought I'd forward this comment from Mark Igo at a recent press conference.
“Our marketing campaign positions the new M as a vehicle ‘Designed to Outperform,’ and with this strong initial launch success it certainly is doing just that,” said Mark Igo, vice president and general manager, Infiniti Division. “Our dealers garnered advance orders 40% over our target for the all-new M thanks to our extensive joint pre-launch marketing efforts. All indications show we are on pace to meet our yearly sales target and add another chapter to the Infiniti new model launch success story in the recent tradition of the G35, FX and QX56 and our record sales in calendar year 2004.”
Comments
Some DVD players (non-Sony) can play both formats, but the receiever requires 5.1 analog inputs which are usually found on higher end eqiuipment only. I do not believe the Infiniti plays SACD discs. It is more complicated than it should be due to copy protection fears and inability for any standardization on new formats.
I have no info on if they are avail in multi-channel.
No, I have heard Dark Side in SACD, however and I own DB in plain ol stereo.
Our Inifinitis will be awesome sounding, much as I hate that word.
are you serious--flim and the bb's 'big notes'!!!! wow, what a blast from the past. let me tell you a story (sorry for going ot here)....about 15 years ago my wife and i walked into an audio dealer in nyc (harvey) to buy a cd player. we sauntered into the high end audio room and a salesman came over to us. i said we were just here for a cd player and he said that's fine but can i play something for you....guess what, flim and the bb's 'big notes'....he cranked it up through some fantastic kef monitor speakers and it was the most amazing sound i had ever heard on a stereo.....needless to say we walked out of the dealer with the flim cd, a cd player, and a pair of kef 105.4 monitor speakers....i still have 3 or 4 of the flim cd's, still enjoy them..
Anyone know for sure?
Mark?
Thanks
If the key fob really has a rechargeable battery, what's recharging it?
Added to inventory
M35 - 10 cars
M35 Sport - 9 cars
M35 AWD - 3 cars
M45 - 4 cars
M45 Sport - 8 cars
Sold
M35 Sport - 3 cars
M45 - 2 cars
M45 Sport - 2 cars
Current inventories
M35 - 55 cars
M35 Sport - 127 cars
M35 AWD - 41 cars
M45 - 86 cars
M45 Sport - 140 cars
The dealer never showed me this feature.
http://www.nuclearelephant.com/papers/v710.html
http://voip-blog.tmcnet.com/blog/rich-tehrani/voip/verizon-sued-over-crippled-v710-bluetoo- th.html
Thanks in advance for any assistance.
- receive calls
- handle outbound calls over speaker if dialed from the phone
But, it cannot dial calls over voice - one of the most valuable features. Anyone else having better luck?
My M35 with chrome wheels
I also just wanted to add that I use a Motorola v710 from Verizon wireless with my M35. It works flawlessly. I have it set so that everytime I get into my M it automatically links up so all I have to do is drive and use the button on the steering wheel for calls. An unbelievably nice feature !
I'll take another pic in full sun to really show off the wheels sometime in the near future. I am the first person in my area to get a set of chromes from my dealer.
Because they cant. The disc you tried most likely played as a regular DVD in stereo. No Sony DVD or SACD player supports DVD-A in multichannel. Its the rival to the Sony SACD format, it would be like a Betamax machine playing VHS tapes.
I have several DVD-Audio discs, one of them will not play on my Pioneer Elite 57H unit, in fact when I insert the disc into this unit the unit "reboots" (this is the unit that is a combination DVD player, DVD burner and Tivo). My other DVD-Audio discs all play in my Pioneer DVD player (I have a coax cable leading from the DVD player to the Proceed AVP).
True DVD-Audio requires a DVD-Audio capable player. In my not too unbiased opinion, there is no way that the DVD-Audio disc played back as a DVD-Video would even sound as good as a regular CD (but the DVD-Video sound would be multi-channel rather than 2 channel).
Sony has, I believe, a universal player (I think I saw it in Home Theater Magazine) and it can play DVD-Audio, SACD, HDCD, CD, DVD-Video and DTS. Beats me why the Pioneer player won't play all DVD-Audio discs, unless the disc is not marked DVD-Video.
If you have a true DVD-Audio only disc, it will not (or at least it shouldn't) play back in a regular DVD player. However, if you have a combo disc (containing DVD-Audio and the soundtrack of a DVD-Video) you should be able to play it in AC 3 (aka Dolby Digital 5.1).
To underscore -- DVD-Audio is both multi channel and full frequency uncompressed, DVD-Video sound is "movie sound" quality which is not as high in fidelity as either a standard CD or DVD-Audio (or SACD).
SACD discs (at least the one's I am familiar with) also contain CD sound and will play on CD, DVD and SACD players -- only the latter will reveal the multi-channel sound however.
In the Infiniti M's, if you insert a DVD-Audio disc, it is able to detect that it is such and play it back. Also, if the car is in Park and the Brake is set, a DVD-Video (a movie, e.g.) will also play both video AND audio (the video on the screen in the dash).
If you have the interest in a little experiment, buy or rent the James Taylor DVD concert (Beacon Hall, I think is where it was shot -- NYC). Sit in the sound sweet spot in your home theater system and commence playing the disc -- when the disc's top menu opens it will ask you to pick either Dolby Digital 5.1 or CD Stereo sound. Play the disc until you are familiar with the sound (in DD). Then eject or go to the top menu and select CD sound and play the same tunes at the same volume level again. I had become so jaded and biased in favor of DD 5.1, I was convinced that the stereo mix would somehow sound lifeless and less full than the full-monty surround sound with all five speakers and a sub woofer. Boy was I wrong: plain ol stereo blows DVD-Video-Sound (DD 5.1) away. It is almost like listening to a telephone vs being there (I said almost to make the point that the sonic differences are NOT subtle.)
Both versions sound good, don't get me wrong, and if the novelty of the crowd's applause coming from behind you suits you or is your preference, you'll get no criticism from me. However, when you listen to the same songs in stereo, the sound is much fuller, the placement of the instruments and voices ("imaging" as my audiophile buddies call it) is easier to "see" audibly -- and the bass is incredible, tight and deep.
I had much the same experience when I listened to "Fourplay" in DVD-Audio in the M35x last Sunday.
Like I said, once or twice before, I love multi-channel audio, but it was, perhaps the answer to a question no one was asking. If this great advance makes it commercially it has to be the automobile that saves it, in the long run.
Does the phone number of an incoming call show up on the car's display? Also, were you able to send your phone book to the car, or did you have to manually enter numbers into the car's memory?
My concern with Verizon (since they disable the OBEX profile in the V710) is that any communication between the phone and the car is limited to headset-type use. I want a phone where I can keep it in the console or glove box, screen calls based on caller ID, and simply say "call home" (for example).
I have been under the assumption that Verizon would only allow you to use the speaker and microphone in the car during conversation, but that other features which required the transmission of numbers (like transferring a phone book, seeing caller-ID information, or speaking a phone number to dial) would not work. If I am wrong, please let me know. I have been happy with Verizon's service and coverage but am extremely disappointed in their complete and utter arrogance when it comes to bluetooth. My plan was to switch to Cingular when my contract expires.
By the way, I was on spring break for a week (we had to take the Sequoia--darn), and it took several days to catch up on the forums (M, GS, Luxury sedans). I was having a great time, but missed my M35x (except when on the coasters--now those things corner like they are on...er...rails).
Is that the M35 Sport? If not, how did you get the 19" on the standard or AWD M35? I'm looking to purchase the AWD and would love to have the 19" instead of the stock 18"s at a ridiculous dealer cost. Thanks.
PS. The chrome looks sharp..where did you have them done? and is the car the liquid silver or diamond graphite?
That will almost never fly at my house -- in the car, sure, at home, hardly.
Jus my 2 cents.
I do not have DVD-A in my house; I can play a DVD-A in DVD-Video Audio mode which is "movie sound" -- which is quite good from a multi-channel point of view. But the plain ol CD still is superior sonically to DD 5.1 in movie mode.
Perhaps if my Proceed had true DVD-A or SACD, I would sing a different tune. But the DTS discs I have do sound very good, but they, too, require the listener to sit in the sweet spot for the duration or the impact is largely lost.
A couple of questions, however; my salesman and the sales manager can't resolve either one.
1) If you lose a transmitter when away from home it appears there's no way to start the car! No, I don't plan to do it ... but hey, you never do know when something silly might happen.
2) And how do you turn off the lane departure warning alarm? Owner's manual says hold the button in for 5 seconds ... we've all tried it but can't shut the danged thing off!
Three trips back to the dealership in a week for more tech advice ... I'm gradually getting the hang of it. Absolutely love this car.
Bart
However, the main reason I responded was to compliment you on what is probably one of the best screen names I've seen in ages. I would happily use it if it weren't already taken, and there are others (who shall remain nameless) who should.
Enjoy your car.
Is this true?
I can't imagine getting any color M other than black, but if it's going to look like schlock in a few months I'd have to consider another skin.
What's the absolute best stuff to use to keep it looking new?
Thanks in advance.
:shades:
“Our marketing campaign positions the new M as a vehicle ‘Designed to Outperform,’ and with this strong initial launch success it certainly is doing just that,” said Mark Igo, vice president and general manager, Infiniti Division. “Our dealers garnered advance orders 40% over our target for the all-new M thanks to our extensive joint pre-launch marketing efforts. All indications show we are on pace to meet our yearly sales target and add another chapter to the Infiniti new model launch success story in the recent tradition of the G35, FX and QX56 and our record sales in calendar year 2004.”
I seriously doubt that any car manufacturer doesn't put clearcoat on all their cars.