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'21 Dark Blue/Black Audi A7 PHEV (mine); '22 White/Beige BMW X3 (hers); '20 Estoril Blue/Oyster BMW M240xi 'Vert (Ours, read: hers in 'vert weather; mine during Nor'easters...)
My mileage on the car started at 22 on the highway, but now that I have 5,500 miles on it, the car is getting pretty good gas mileage. I am even using plain old 87 octane. One of these times I'll try some higher octane and see if the mileage is any better.
It's all opinion and it's all in eye of the beholder. And everyone is entitled to what they feel.
So let's cool it. It's pretty silly to keep harping on something this subjective when we should be comparing the objective features and attributes of these vehicles, with a mind toward helping others choose between them.
While we can and should share objective facts with other members about these cars, we can't tell them how to feel about subjective issues such as this, so let's just let it go ... please.
I've been driving in snow all my life without snow tires (FWD, though) and I've done OK (no accidents, never been stuck...too badly, at least!).
AWD will not make up for poor decisions and driving in the beautiful white stuff, however. As evidenced by the number of SUVs I've seen off the road in the winter. AWD does not conquer the laws of physics.
Good luck.
'21 Dark Blue/Black Audi A7 PHEV (mine); '22 White/Beige BMW X3 (hers); '20 Estoril Blue/Oyster BMW M240xi 'Vert (Ours, read: hers in 'vert weather; mine during Nor'easters...)
It sounds like we're getting some snow here starting Sunday. Let's see if the Turdranza's are as poor in the snow as I remember...
'21 Dark Blue/Black Audi A7 PHEV (mine); '22 White/Beige BMW X3 (hers); '20 Estoril Blue/Oyster BMW M240xi 'Vert (Ours, read: hers in 'vert weather; mine during Nor'easters...)
The TL seems made better, nicer dash, 2K cheaper, and rides a little better.
The G35 is RWD but oh cares I will live I am coming off a FWD Grand Prix anyway.
I just had mine done at 11,250 miles for just under $200 which is a big expense on a BRAND NEW $35,000 car.
thanks.
So I went to get a new car, with AWD or FWD this time. A similarly equipped G35x was going to cost me about 3K more than a TL, but of course they are not similarly equipped, because the G had AWD. Anyway, I decided to buy the TL, largely because I came to the same conclusions everyone else here has - much nicer interior, more comfortable seat, nicer dashboard display, etc. I made my purchase yesterday, and I have to say I'm sad to have let the G go.
The driving feel in the TL is just not the same. The handling, cornering, torque steer, all of it makes me wish I could do what I could do in my old car (funny thing about the torque steer: everyone thinks the TL needs more torque!). Don't get me wrong, I'm very happy with what makes the TL good, e.g., I won't miss the seat controls digging into my right thigh every time I sit down. But I really valued the performance the G gave me, and I feel like I'm pushing the TL too hard if I try to hit a turn at the same speed, for example.
Anyway, having owned both cars (one for 2 1/2 years, one for a day), here is what I can say about them both:
Advantages for G35 (remember, old models had 260 HP, and this was RWD):
1. Great handling characteristics:
accelerating through corners
better balance front-to-rear
no understeer
strong low-end torque
ability of engine to "read my mind" from passing on the highway to driving slowly from a stop sign (not that I did much of the latter)
2. Compass in dash
3. Automatic headlights (it sure is annoying to have to do something as simple as turn your lights on when you have become accustomed to the automatic feature)
4. Smaller steering wheel - more comfortable
5. Better-positioned headrest
6. Better exterior styling - purely subjective, and I do like the TL's styling quite a bit, too
Advantages for the TL:
1. Much better interior styling:
more comfortable seat
better looking dash/trim/instrument panel
better and larger door pockets
very nice, deep center console storage area
better rear seat legroom (real-world, I don't care what the specs say)
2. Stereo is better, but the G's was no slouch
3. Telescoping steering wheel, although this is present on the newer G35's
4. XM radio, also available on the new G35's
5. FWD, which is really the reason I traded in the old G35
In retrospect, I would have been much better off just waiting 6 more months and getting a 2004 G35x, but that's in the past. I hope this list helps those of you who are interested in both of these vehicles. The bottom line is that you really can't go wrong here, either way.
I know this is major laziness even to use it for that, but I was hoping to impress my friends every now and then. Instead, they were only impressed when I said "A sphincter says 'pardon,'" and she (the car's voice)responded, "Pardon?" My friends and I can be immature.
On a side note, wouldn't it be cool if you could choose what your car's voice would sound like? You could have a few options to pick from for the voice. I would definitely take the voice of Kitt from Knight Rider.
auto-headlights. I'm leasing a 2002 Maxima
and am very spoiled having that feature. I
really like it. I also have split-fold rear
seats, which I like having that feature also. (Oh, yeah, can't forget the great power.) My lease is up next year and I keep going back and forth between the G35, TL and the Maxima, and now the new Lexus IS. I do
believe if the TL had the auto-headlight feature, I would probably just focus on
purchasing a TL. It would definitely help the
decision-making process.
I think Honda has some sort of philosophical problem with auto-headlights. Maybe people forget to put on their lights during daytime rain or something. Anyway, you can just leave the lights on all-the time b/c they do turn off automatically, but I understand and join in your complaint.
You actually have 2 voices to choose from - male & female. It would be cool to have different accents and voices - I'd choose Foghorn Leghorn or Elmer Fudd ("B-heee, b-heee, b-hee, we'll put that temperature down to 70 degrees as soon as it's rabbit season!").
'21 Dark Blue/Black Audi A7 PHEV (mine); '22 White/Beige BMW X3 (hers); '20 Estoril Blue/Oyster BMW M240xi 'Vert (Ours, read: hers in 'vert weather; mine during Nor'easters...)
Anyways, it seems that many people always think the interior quality of TL is better than the G. But based on JD Power quality rating from kbb, it rated the G for 3 stars and the TL for only 2 stars. Style...4 for G and 3 for TL.
It's nice to have references and other opinions. However, you must do your own DD. Only you (and your wallet) can decide which car has higher style, quality, ride, performance, comfort, value...
For me, the TL was a better choice than the G. For you, well, let us know. It's your money, not KBB or JD Power.
'21 Dark Blue/Black Audi A7 PHEV (mine); '22 White/Beige BMW X3 (hers); '20 Estoril Blue/Oyster BMW M240xi 'Vert (Ours, read: hers in 'vert weather; mine during Nor'easters...)
The reason I mentioned this because I just cannot believe the rating. It’s the same as Edmunds always select BMW 3 as “editors’ most wanted” while the consumers select G coup as “Consumers’ most wanted” over 3 Series for the past 3 years. :confuse:
I was going almost toward a G35, but after looking at the interior, options that I have to put in, price, etc... TL was all around a better choice for me too.
Got 05 left over with 30 miles on it for 29K + 4.9% financing... who can complain....
Though I wanted a rear wheel drive this time...but then what am I? a boy racer?
Nothing wrong with RWD, I just prefer FWD for its improved traction in the snow (Ich bin eine skier!). Well, if the TL had (and mine will, eventually) better tires...! Also, while I'm sure the G at 9 or 10/10ths is a superior handler, I just don't have occasion to drive in that manner, so no biggie for me. TL handles just swell, thank you very much!
'21 Dark Blue/Black Audi A7 PHEV (mine); '22 White/Beige BMW X3 (hers); '20 Estoril Blue/Oyster BMW M240xi 'Vert (Ours, read: hers in 'vert weather; mine during Nor'easters...)
Had the car 2 months now. Love to floor it and fly when there's no traffic around.
'21 Dark Blue/Black Audi A7 PHEV (mine); '22 White/Beige BMW X3 (hers); '20 Estoril Blue/Oyster BMW M240xi 'Vert (Ours, read: hers in 'vert weather; mine during Nor'easters...)
Manual and auto is same price on TL.
And who needs a Nav, Though it might be handy on a long trips to an unknown town.
Impressions after almost month of driving.
Average speed: 27
Average MPG: 22
Fuel: need to refuel every week with premium (about $37/week)
Complains: break dust on front wheel, springy clutch, MPG, torque steer (when you really push it).
Manual BTW has following advantages over Auto:
1. about 1.x second faster on 0 to 60
2. Brembo breaks on the front wheels
3. Limited Slip Differencial (not sure what it does)
4. Lighter body weight (about 60 pounds??)
5. When you want to, you can feel like a boy racer with heel-and-toe down shifting)
However, following disadvantages:
1. Torque Stear, hold on to your steering wheel... you get a drift on your front wheels!
2. clutch is kindda hard to get used to
Also - a stick shift in a sedan? Is it just me?
Nothing wrong with a stick shift in a sedan at all!
Except when you try to sell it.