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Toyota Prius



  • quasar4quasar4 Posts: 110
    --About the oil changes, I was listening to the venerable auto guru Goss on his radio call-in program a few weeks ago when that same question was posed. He practically ripped the guy a new one when the caller said he had the oil in his new car changed after a 1000 miles. I believe his words were something like this..."You changed the oil?? Oh whyyyyy did you do that?! We have enough pollution in the world and it's totally unnecessary --in fact you could be doing damage to your engine --or at least reducing the life of it-- because auto manufacturers put special additives into the oil specifically designed to handle the break-in period."

    --So there you have it! What's good for the environment can also be good for your car...and your wallet!
  • quasar4quasar4 Posts: 110
    --Thanks for the info, prius4meus. I thought my highest fill amount was 10 gallons, but after rummaging through my gas receipts, I discovered that the high was actually 9 and 1/2 gallons....9.516 gallons to be exact.

    --Might be interesting if you hit a trip odometer when the first fuel warning pops up to record how much of the reserve you've eaten into before fill-up. Which brings me to my next post...
  • quasar4quasar4 Posts: 110
    --Any takers for answering my "How much of a reserve does the '04 Prius have?" question (post #3230)? Any guesses?? A search found post #2906 (page 146) that suggested there was a 3 gallon reserve. Apparently it was surmised that Toyota engineers wanted to play it safe and prevent people from running out of gas and possibly causing damage to the system. Seems plausible. If the 3 gallon (or thereabouts) reserve is true, it has some rather interesting implications...
  • rpgolferrpgolfer Posts: 157
    I find it amusing that this "guru" would rip somebody because he changed oil at 1,000 miles. There are people who religiously (I used to be one) change oil EVERY 3k mi - rain or shine. I know that the lubricating properties DO break down after being exposed to heat from driving or acids from time between changes. In the old days we used to change oil at 1000 or 1500 miles to rid the engine of the metal shavings that were generated by the engine "breaking in". Remember when oil drain plugs had a magnetic tip? With modern engines with computer precision milling and tolerances there is less need, hence engines routinely are lasting 100,000 miles or more before any major work is necessary. As far as this guy citing pollution sources, there are so many sources of pollution. Most oil changes done today end up in a recycling center to protect underground drinking water sources. Theoretically, if you changed oil monthly your engine could last forever, but practicality is important. I also don't believe that manufacturers would go out of their way to add additional ingredients to "get by" the break-in period. Every nickel they can save, they will.
      I guess the bottom line is it's YOUR investment, protect it the best way you see fit. My son and I decided to change oil ourselves to save $$ and spent $26 for oil, filter and air filter compared to at least $35 at the "quickie" oil change business. They deal in bulk but I honestly believe their filters are "seconds". I've read so many reports about these places over-filling crankcases, gear boxes and creating a host of problems. Also, I love it when they say they "top off" all fluids. The Prius is VERY picky about what kind of coolant is added, so if straight water is added to the coolant and windshield washer resevoir, the effectivenss of the fluids are diminshed rather than enhanced. Oh, gone are the days when we could do so much "hands on" with our cars. Our own oil changes always included topping off fluid levels with the correct fluids, oiling the hood latches and hinges, lubing the car yourself and the most important ingredient, TLC.
  • djasonwdjasonw Posts: 624
    I finally found a gas station selling LOW CARB fuel for my Atkinson Cycle Prius. On this tank alone I am getting MUCH better mileage. Shell seems to be the only station selling this LOW CARB fuel.
  • backybacky Twin CitiesPosts: 18,907
    Did the gas station sell you some low-carb Coke or Pepsi to go with that?
  • gscheil1gscheil1 Posts: 72
    Sorry Folks! I can add as well as divide. My post was as information only. I really tried to get in as much gas as I could account the bladder. I usually don't go to that extreme. I am very happy with my mileage, I only wish I had started to document every tank since I got the car in November 2003. I have started to record every fill-up since about 1,500 miles on odo. By the way, when I filled up, my battery was down to 2 pink bars.
  • What is low CARB fuel? Is it low sulfer gasoline? I wonder how it can lower the emission even further.

  • gagricegagrice San DiegoPosts: 31,112
    According to the EPA report I read. The Prius has a 9 rating in all states except CA. In CA it gets the best rating which is a 10. Maybe the CARB fuel mentioned brings the Prius up to the 10 rating?

    I thought I would move this interesting article over to the Prius board. I have a couple questions. What has been the experience in cold weather with the heater. They mention in the article that it was not as toasty in the car as a conventional gas vehicle. 2nd. Are strong cross winds a problem for the Prius as the article makes mention? Good article sounds like the place to see lots of Caribou.
  • djasonwdjasonw Posts: 624
    It was a pun which went wild. I was referring to the Atkinson cycle engine and low CARBOHYDRATE fuel. CARB (aka Cal Air Recourses Board) was not my intention. So.. now I learned something!
  • azstanazstan Posts: 74
    I have a 2004 Prius with package #9 and 10,000 miles. Took it to the dealer for 10,000 mile service last week.

    The icon for "hybrid vehicle immobilizer / Theft deterrent system indicator light" starte flashing. This had never happened before. It would flash until I put the "key" into the slot...then it would stop.

    Anyway...took it back to the dealer. The tech supposedly ran diags on it (they had it for about 1.5 hours). I was told that this was natural and indicated that the system was armed.

    This never happened until after 10,000 mile service. Wonder if they "tweaked" it. still flashes.

    Now I notice that outside temperature indicator is nowhere near what outside temperature actually is...before it was no more than 3 or 4 degrees off.

    Am I going mad?
  • midnightcowboymidnightcowboy Posts: 1,978
    Sounds like : NTF or PCWT

    NTF = No Trouble Found
    PCWT = Problem Cleared While Testing

    In other words they don't have a clue and can't repeat the problem to actually fix what caused it.
  • john1701ajohn1701a Posts: 1,897
    > The icon for "hybrid vehicle immobilizer / Theft deterrent system indicator light" started flashing. This had never happened before.

    Simple, all along you haven't had SE/SS enabled. That act of running the diags turned it back on.

    If that indicator doesn't flash, that means it isn't active.

    You'll find the manual enable/disable button under the steering-wheel. And STOP inserting the fob! Now that you have SE/SS enabled, take advantage of the wireless & touchless ability package #9 provides.

  • azstanazstan Posts: 74
    Darn...I had been driving that thingwith the SE/SS disabled for 10,000 miles! When I bought it, it was disabled and I did not know the difference.

    Makes me wonder what his going to happen next.
  • rfruthrfruth Posts: 630
    might be time to RTFM (read the fine manual ((or some other F word )))
  • mfullmermfullmer Posts: 819
    "What is going to happen next"?

    Nothing happened. There are settings. They can be enabled or disabled. The only thing that happened (or didn't happen) was that you didn't learn about your vehicle.
  • azstanazstan Posts: 74
    Well...I learn something all the time about this vehicle.

    I am still somewhat aprehensive about the cost of maintenance. Especially when I was told it would take all day and $40 minimum to run diags to find out why a light was on that at first was not on.

    Time will tell...I hope this car is as dependable as the other three (camrys) Toyotas I have owned.
  • backybacky Twin CitiesPosts: 18,907
    Only $40? That doesn't seem too expensive to me--relatively speaking. A couple of years ago the "check engine" light lit up on my Elantra. I knew it couldn't be a loose gas cap because I am very careful about tightening it. So I called the dealer. They said they would charge a $75 diagnostic fee, and if it turned out to be a problem with the car, the fee would be waived and the repair would be covered under warranty. But if the problem turned out to be a loose gas cap, I'd have to pay the fee. They suggested I wait a few more days to see if the light went out, since the car was running normally. The light did go out the next day. Turned out my DW added a couple of gallons of gas one day without telling me, and didn't tighten the cap enough.
  • backybacky Twin CitiesPosts: 18,907
    I got an email today from my Toyota sales rep with a spreadsheet that has exacting detail on the Prius waiting list, broken down every which way. The bottom line is that I am now #4 overall for package 3s, but #1 for my first color choice and no worse than #3 for my other color choices. The bad news is that the dealer got only one Prius in early June, but may get a second allocation later this month. They seem to have dropped from 10 Priuses per month earlier this year to about 5. The sales rep had said something early this year about production being cut in order to ramp up HCH and RX400h production, but since those vehicles aren't shipping yet I wonder if something else is going on. Anyway, I appreciate the efforts of the sales rep to keep me informed.

    Their current Prius waiting list is up to 143 people, with the last order being taken just a couple of days ago. At current allocations, that's a wait of over two years for those at the end of the list!
  • eprupiseprupis Posts: 30
    I got on several auto buying websites covering north GA, SC and south NC and offered to purchase a Prius with Option #9. I received numerous calls and e-mails saying no car was available but with a $2000 deeposit up front, I could get on their waiting lists. I said no thanks. 3 weeks later I got a call from a dealer 60 miles from my home advising me an option 8 came in in white and every one on their wait list said no and I could have it for list if a bought it within 24 hours. It did come with a $700 regional pack (undercoating, etc.) and they low-balled me on the trade-in which I rejected, but I did get it for list! And a 3 week total wait and no deposit! eprupis

    I just learned new things. Enjoy!

  • rpgolferrpgolfer Posts: 157
    Hi gang,

    gagrice (#3244) - Because the Prius is tall to accomodate passengers to sit comfortably in the back seat, not too wide and only weighs 2890 lbs, it is quite often at the mercy of crosswinds. It's a little surprising when you first experience the effects of the wind. Whenever I feel the wind crossing, I always look at the surrounding trees/bushes and I swear they aren't moving. Unfortunately, the low coefficient of drag (.026) helps mostly moving forward.
  • Awesome! It will make a great wall paper. Is that your car? I can't tell.

  • djasonwdjasonw Posts: 624
    Hi folks:

    I just wanted to let everyone know I had XM radio added to my Prius. It is a clean install and integrates perfectly with the MFD. No more commercials, and now I don't have to burn CDs as much. As John says, sweeeeeeeeeeet!!!!
  • gs80gs80 Posts: 10
    What system did you have installed and do you receive the signal via an unused FM station? I've been looking at the XM Commander and wondered how it would look on my 04 prius

  • john1701ajohn1701a Posts: 1,897
    Yup, that's my Prius. If you turn the brightness why up on your monitor, you can see the "1701-A" license plate.

    I got really lucky last night, having the digital camera & tripod with me at the time and being able to find a location without any horizon obstruction. And of course, there's always that anticipation that the clouds will prevent the sun from peaking out at the very last moment before it disappears.

  • djasonwdjasonw Posts: 624
    I went to and had it installed professionally. When you press mode on your steering wheel you now have SAT1 through SAT3. It works phenomenal. Now.. what to do with all those CDs I'll never listen to anymore.
  • midnightcowboymidnightcowboy Posts: 1,978
    Minor correction. the Prius has a (Coefficient of Drag)CD of 0.26 not 0.026 as stated. 0.26 is very low!
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