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What was it that you didnt want on Pckge 6?
The new '06's will have slightly different content but there will still be the same general pckges 2-4-6 plus a #7 w/ leather. I'm guessing that all pckges will be higher in 06 than 05... but as stated above.. if you dont wait too long in '06 you might be able to get 5 times the tax benefit as you would have in 05.
kdhspyder
You better check the NHTSA report on the Prius again. The Elantra scored better than the Prius. The Elantra got a 5 star side impact while the Prius got only 4 star. Too bad Toyota does not make the side impact airbags standard equipment like most companies do.
http://www.nhtsa.dot.gov/cars/testing/ncap/index2.cfm?myYear=2005&myMake=Toyota&myModel=Pr- ius
http://www.euroncap.com/content/safety_ratings/details.php?id1=3&id2=193
Hyundai:
http://www.euroncap.com/content/safety_ratings/details.php?id1=3&id2=104
NOTE: 2001 MY. Not sure when they changed it. You get what ya pay for. Nice to sww how well the Prius structure held up. Those Toyota engineers are really good at what they do.
GO HYBRID!!!
The NHTSA crash tests rate the Elantra better than the Prius. If when the Prius is tested by the IIHS, it were to get a poor rating, would you still buy one?
The Prius built for the EU is superior in more ways than just having side airbags standard. They also have rear disk brakes. I guess the US drivers are not as discriminating on braking and handling as the Europeans.
I am not sure why you feel the need to slam every other vehicle besides the Prius. If it is as good as you believe it should stand on it's own merits. It is smart to compare vehicles when you are shopping cars. Not everyone has the same taste or needs.
http://www.nhtsa.dot.gov/cars/testing/ncap/Index2.cfm
Just in case you were interested.
GO HYBRID!!
you are really trying to grasp for something on this one:
NHTSB ....... Prius ....... Elantra
Front Dr........ 5 stars ...... 5 stars
Front Pass.... 4 stars ...... 4 stars
Side Dr......... 4 stars ...... 5 stars
Side Pass.... 4 stars ...... 4 stars
Much safer..Wow.. However you might think further:
The NHTSB board is not the primary reference point for crash test worthiness. If you ask any insurance agent or company it's the IIHS. The IIHS tests are more difficult and do in fact effect the market. When you see someone on Good Morning America or on Dateline its the IIHS trying to educate the US consumer.
The IIHS is funded by the insurance companies themselves who actually pay claims for loss and for death. The want the public to drive in the safest vehicles so that they don't have to pay claims. It's based on the IIHS data that insurance companies will give a lower premium to a Camry than to a Cavalier all other thing being equal.
The IIHS has not tested the Prius as yet. But the Prius has been test in Europe with the same test as the IIHS which is more difficult than the NHTSB. The Prius w/ S+C/AB also comes with VSC. Does the Elantra, NO!. Again refer to the IIHS about VSC. It's prolly just as critical as AB just in a different way.
Also according to Edmunds you cant get Curtain A/B on an Elantra!!!.. If so this is a MAJOR omission.. it's the Curtain A/B that save lives. again refer to the IIHS.
Based on that I'd remove the Elantra from my thinking.. hell you can get Curtain A/B on a Corolla.
kdhspyder
* The Elantra was tweaked for the '04 MY. It got a Good score on the IIHS frontal offset crash test, vs. Poor for the '01 MY. The European crash tests refereced earlier were on the '01 MY. The '04 Elantra did get a Poor score on the IIHS side impact tests, as did all but two other cars in its class (Corolla and Cobalt)--both of which were equipped with optional side curtains. So the side curtains do help. It does show that a good score on the NHTSA tests is no guarantee of a good score on the IIHS tests.
* The '07 Elantra will be a total redesign and will have ABS, side bags and side curtains standard, as does every new Hyundai starting with the '05 Tucson.
As indicated in the Fusion,Accord,Camry,Sonata thread the Koreans are coming on and others should be concerned. If as backy says all the above is standard on the '07's and later models that is a big step forward at that time.
I grew up and drove for 30 yrs in the NE. VSC is the best advancement since front A/B's. In Europe now the Insurance group there recommends to buyers that only vehicles with Stability Control should be purchased in the future. Never buy a vehicle without it. The IIHS here is close to recommending the same here I believe.
For the NE the Prius is front wheel drive ( good already ) with ABS ( better ) but with Pkge 4 you get VSC and side/curtain A/B ( that seals it ). It will be the same or better than a top of the line 4c Camry or Accord.
The adversisted in the paper that they had a 2006 Prius for immediate delivery Fred Haas. They said we didn't avertise that ,but they couldn't produce the add in the paper; they had conviently thrown it away. The tried to tell me it said available for ordering; bull roar!
I went there they didn't have one, but a deal had fallen through on a 2005 Prius and I test drove it, Burgundy option package #5. It was very nice and I must say I was impressed. The acceleration was fine, JBL stero was nice, really liked the fit an finish and the hatchback utility, air conditioner was great even with the car stopped running off the battery. The dispaly panel provided a lot of information and it was better than I thought it would be. It had the Toyota Opotion C care package ( 3 years roadside assistance, etc) for $900 which is a waste of money. I could have bought the car that day, buton ly too problems: (1) my trade-in was valued about $2,000 less than I thought it should be and (2) they wanted $2,000 over MSRP. Before I left they dropped $1,000 but still not deal. I maight have to live with the lower trade-in vlaue.
Again , It was a very nice car. You will love your car. If I were to get one, which is still a possibilitiy, I would get the 2006 with option package #6, everything but NAV and leather.
Cheers,
MidCow
P.S.- Now I only drove it about 2 miles (it had 6 miles already on the odometer)and I accelerated to see what it would do. It didn't warm up and the battery wasn't fully charged. I didn't reset the fuel computer and it was starting to climb when I came back to the dealer, but the mpg displayed was only 24.1 Even in my short test I would have expected higher, oh well!
No snow no more for me,
MidCow
P.S.- We did get a really wierd dusting of snow last Chirstmas eve :0
Sorry I wasn't clearer NO you are right the 2006s are not out yet. The one I drove was a 2005 , they just had some incorrect/misleading advertising saying they had 2006s in stock. I think the late November is closer to being correct for the 2006s.
Cheers,
MidCow
http://tinyurl.com/bsu4o
perfect description of why there is variation in reported milage ratings.
I also think that associated with what you said above actual milage driven is a major factor for the very reasons that you mentioned. If one drives very aware of driving techniques to lower consumption - by necessity.
We have about 7500 miles on our 05. It runs fine, but the interior door side panels are not holding up well, the arm rests soil much too easily, and the nav system gets lost from time to time (on I-15 N near Poway and the nav system suddenly could not figure out the car was on I-15. Started giving instructions strange instructions, then said "stay on the road you are on." The whole time I was inching my way along in rush hour traffic, hardly moving. Nav confusion has happened a number of times and it frequently makes poor route choices. The nav unit is junk compared to the one in my Acura. The paint on the front bumper and hood is chip prone, but that seems to becoming more common with cars today. Still like the car enough to want a leather 06 in addition to my 05.
What do you like about the Prius that you would buy another one? Would you buy the new one with NAV? I remember when Poway Toyota had several Prii on the lot back in late June. I bought my GMC Sierra hybrid from the GMC dealer in Poway.
I know I need to be flexible regarding the package, so I'll let my dealer know I'd take a package 3 or even a 4 if I must, but I really can't fathom spending much more for technology I won't likely use. I checked the 2006 options and they have 8, maybe 9. No prices yet though.
Anyway, Anybody got feedback regarding who would be good to deal with in Seattle? What about Portland? Ebay? Thanks again
2005 Prius Base Model (U$ 5,000 more in Canada!, aaaaaaahhhhhh!):
Canada - C$ 30,730 (U$ 26,110)
USA - U$ 21,275
2005 Prius Full Options (U$ 6,000 more in Canada!, aaaaaaahhhhhh!):
Canada - C$ 38,145 (U$ 32,411)
USA - U$ 26,340
So, the Canadian base model is almost the same as the American full-option model!
Why so much difference? Any ideas?
1) Premium Prepaid maintenance for $995
2) Platinum Toyota Extra Care extended warranty, 7 years/75000 miles for $1645
3) XZILON exterior protection and interior fabric protector for $754, including tax.
Are any of these worth getting? My first inclination is that they are ripoffs but I'm not sure.
Skip the rest of it - pure baloney.
Prepaid Maintenance? We stopped offering this several years ago when we started oil/filters free-for-length-of-ownership. But compare the cost of the prepaid program with pay-as-you-go. Most Toyota's dont need much maintenance anyway.
The Protection Packages are an individual thing. I dont. Some customers demand it. I wont form a judgement.
Just got my California HOV lane stickers (allowing single occupant to use speedo lanes). The stickers use the same adhesive as your annual renewal stickers do, which means you don't get a second chance if you don't put them on right.
falconone- It is indeed refreshing to hear about a dealer who simply tosses you the keys for a test drive. Here in California (gas prices are dropping down to $2.60/gal from a high of over $3/gal) if you wish to take a test drive you must submit your driver's license for verification. They promptly photocopy it and by the time you return (with the salesman accompanying you) from your test drive, they've already pulled up a credit check on you and know how much you can afford !! I've recently started seeing 48-50 mpg using California gas by keeping the air pressures up to 42 front and 40 rear. Driving no more than 65 mph and avoiding short, cold trips. I have experienced the fabric coming loose on the console from where your fingers dig in to open the console. When I get my recall notice, I'll arrange to have that taken care of. It should be replaced because I've got less than 21k miles.
Nav program- I know the Poway areas has a lot of hills and twisty roads and the GPS can get "confused". (By the way, Mt. Woodson is a terrific golf course to play, it's just tough to find) I always carry a coupla maps and an atlas at all times to be sure in strange areas.
Thanks,
Rich