Toyota Prius

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  • blueguydotcomblueguydotcom Member Posts: 6,249
    Yeah it sounds like very typical salesmen prevarication.
  • wwestwwest Member Posts: 10,706
    Might be any number of reasons...

    Marketing...Making Prius even harder/longer to get in favor of a higher margin more "desireable" vehicle.

    PR........SUVs have a bad name, a (plentiful)hybrid RX will get Toyota some very good PR.

    Battery.....might be in limited supply.

    Marketing, again.........Early forecasts may indicate a dip in Prius sales once the RX is out, a very likely scenario IMMHO.

    Componentry.....Each RX AWD will use at least two (unique) electric motors, four if the forecasts are correct, which I very much doubt.
  • emptyseeremptyseer Member Posts: 9
    The good news is the Energy Bill has been stopped. There were only 58 votes to end the filibuster (60 are needed) so the filibuster continues and no vote on the bill will happen. There may be another vote on cloture on Monday.

    The bad news is the $2000 credit won't happen. But those who believe in the magic of the marketplace have to acknowledge that this subsidy distorts the market and is unnecessary in light of the high demand for the product anyway.
  • ateixeiraateixeira Member Posts: 72,587
    Time will tell. Initial demand for the Prius is hot. To be honest, I doubt the loss of the tax credit will hurt it that badly, demand will still be strong.

    Tax gasoline instead. Create a natural demand for fuel efficient vehicles. Use the money to improve roads, so everyone benefits.

    Can you imagine how much power OPEC would lose if even 1/4 of us hopped into hybrids?

    -juice
  • backybacky Member Posts: 18,949
    But those who believe in the magic of the marketplace have to acknowledge that this subsidy distorts the market and is unnecessary in light of the high demand for the product anyway.

    This subsidy on hybrids may distort the market, but if this subsidy for cars that save on gas is a bad idea, then even more so the tax subsidy on the gas-guzzling large SUVs, a subsidy that distorts the market for these vehicles also.

    I'd buy a Prius even without the tax break, but some people (like some posters on this board) have expressed that the price of the Prius is a little too high for them to justify buying one. If a tax break helps them buy a hybrid instead of a conventional car, and they use lots less gas in the bargain, isn't that a benefit to all of us that is worth an investment in tax dollars?

    Re the RX story and delays in Prius production, I don't know why the sales rep would be lying, as it would not benefit him to do so. My order is cancellable at any time, and my deposit is fully refundable (actually, there is no deposit, only a "paper" one). I already told him I would be coming in to place my order next week, so he had the deal sown up. It was actually to his advantage to have me come in next week and swipe my credit card, instead of taking the number over the phone. If they swiped it, they would actually take the $500 deposit out of it. I think he was trying to help me make sure I got my car when I need it, by getting ahead of a few more people in line. I guess we'll know in a few months if he was on the level or not.
  • blueguydotcomblueguydotcom Member Posts: 6,249
    The good news is the Energy Bill has been stopped.

    To each his own. some of us want that to go through.

    But those who believe in the magic of the marketplace have to acknowledge that this subsidy distorts the market and is unnecessary in light of the high demand for the product anyway.

    It can only increase demand. As the tax credit drummed up interest in the car. Word of no tax credit had my interested friends all shrug and say, I'll just wait until the car has real vehicle performance then.

    That's a few lost sales among tree huggers I know.

    I don't know why the sales rep would be lying, as it would not benefit him to do so.

    A sale today is how it benefits him. Or at least getting you locked into not looking with a deposit. Salesguys lie and to believe he's your bud or honest is exactly what he wants from you - his mark.

    My order is cancellable at any time, and my deposit is fully refundable (actually, there is no deposit, only a "paper" one). I already told him I would be coming in to place my order next week, so he had the deal sown up. It was actually to his advantage to have me come in next week and swipe my credit card, instead of taking the number over the phone. If they swiped it, they would actually take the $500 deposit out of it. I think he was trying to help me make sure I got my car when I need it, by getting ahead of a few more people in line.

    No, he's trying to get a few things:
    1. You're waiting on his Prius and not looking elsewhere.
    2. His lie helped push you to make the decision sooner - "wait a few months and supply will dry up because of the RX"
    3. He knows the car will come in and if you are serious, he's got a nice commission coming his way.

    I guess we'll know in a few months if he was on the level or not.

    5 will get you ten that he was not anywhere near the level. They never are. Nothing against salesguys as people, they simply use whatever techniques they can to get you to buy. In this case it was fear and his offer of security.
  • backybacky Member Posts: 18,949
    You're waiting on his Prius and not looking elsewhere.

    Who says I'm not? ;-) With a fully refundable deposit, but my place in line assured, I am now free to check out other dealers to see if I can get a better deal, and even consider other vehicles as I wait.
  • blueguydotcomblueguydotcom Member Posts: 6,249
    Who says I'm not? ;-) With a fully refundable deposit, but my place in line assured, I am now free to check out other dealers to see if I can get a better deal, and even consider other vehicles as I wait.

    You're free to do that but the reality of car sales reveals most people who place an order on a vehicle stop looking for another purchase.
  • ateixeiraateixeira Member Posts: 72,587
    We Edmunds regulars are hardly normal. :o)

    We are enthusiasts and don't really reflect the general mass market that well.

    -juice
  • jeep2jettajeep2jetta Member Posts: 53
    Well, just the VIN number so far. My sales rep told me the car should be here either right before Thanksgiving or right after. Port of entry is Houston and I am in Dallas. My Prius is an AG. Rear Wiper, Anti-Theft w/homelink, and SE&S. Only other side option I ordered were floor mats. Total price is $21,829. Luckily, this package is common for this region and ordering it was not a problem at all since Texas is truck and SUV country. I really did not see the need to have all the other options for my order, especially the NAV system. If anyone has any suggestions for battling with the finance guy when my Prius comes in, please let me know. Thanks, Tony.
  • SylviaSylvia Member Posts: 1,636
    Congrats Tony! If you haven't already, be sure to post over in the Toyota Prius: Prices Paid and Buying Experience discussion.
  • backybacky Member Posts: 18,949
    I put in my order for a Prius yesterday at Walser Toyota in Bloomington, MN. They have a "one-price" policy, which in this case means $500 off MSRP--not bad for a car as popular as the Prius. I asked for Salsa red pearl, Tideland pearl, or Seaside pearl, in that order. They already have quite a backlog, so it will take a few months to arrive, but that's OK because my present lease isn't up until May. I gave my credit card number for a $500 deposit, but the fleet manager said he would not run the card, and the deposit is refundable should I decide not to take the car when it arrives.
  • alnvilmaalnvilma Member Posts: 19
    Try this:
    autonet.ca/DriverSource/stories.cfm?storyID=10149 - 44k

    p.s. I've found that cold weather and a short commute slays economy; <40mpg!
  • john1701ajohn1701a Member Posts: 1,897
    > Walser Toyota

    Have they began their move yet to the larger location?

    Burnsville Toyota, which is just 10 minutes south of Walser, has. Their new showroom and new service will be enormous.

    With 2 dealers so close, both heavily endorsing Prius, we are going to see lots of them all over the place by the time the snow finally melts away. YEAH!

    JOHN
  • john1701ajohn1701a Member Posts: 1,897
    > cold weather and a short commute slays economy; <40mpg!

    Reduced efficiency is a reality with all vehicles types, not just Prius.

    If you have a longer commute, like me, you'll be thrilled. With average driving temperatures at about 40F for me now, the Multi-Display is showing a glorious 50.5 MPG! But of course, with over 62,000 miles of hybrid driving experience under my belt, I know a trick or two for getting that number of there.

    JOHN
  • jeep2jettajeep2jetta Member Posts: 53
    ...I am one excited puppy right now! My wife will be very happy once I get the car. She is getting a little tired of me obsessing over this car and spending about an hour a night reading posts here and eleswhere. :-) Although she is a little excited about it herself...hehe...I will post my pricing numbers soon after my delivery.

    As for short commute, I am about 6 miles from work so it sounds like I won't see those great MPG numbers anytime soon. I am hoping to get at least 45MPG for my mixed driving between work and play. Once spring and summer gets here, I hope to increase those numbers to 50MPG.
  • backybacky Member Posts: 18,949
    I don't know if they've started to move yet, but they sure need a new location--the current facility is really cramped! The current location is very convenient for me, so I hope they don't move too far. Burnsville Toyota is pretty close too, however.

    I was a little surprised that Walser offered a discount on the Prius. With most dealers charging at or near list, $500 off seemed pretty good. They also provide a "bonus" package on every car with some freebies like a gas discount card - won't need that much, will I? ;-) - and a couple of minor glass/body repairs. I have been impressed by their service so far also--very responsive to my query through Edmunds.com, accomodating on a test drive, and even after I placed my order the sales rep told me to come in anytime I want to take a drive in their demo cars. So looks like I'll be a Toyota owner again after being away for 20 years, when I traded my beloved '82 Celica GT Liftback.
  • whyattwhyatt Member Posts: 3
    I ordered a Prius on Nov. 17 with Pkg 9, and preferred pkg Z1. Had to pay MSRP $26,017.00. and was told it would be in around Feb, Mar. Carousel Toyota in Glen Mills, PA is the dealer. To be honest since no one was giving discounts, via internet all prices were MSRP. Originally they wanted more but all internet programs come in at MSRP. I hope it arrives before then. I'm considering the platinum Toyota warranty, but I wont' buy it for more than $1,000. I imagine I'll get a $1500. US tax credit because of 2004 delivery date. I'd like to know if Delaware has any tax credits for this car.
  • whyattwhyatt Member Posts: 3
    I ordered a Prius on Nov. 17 with Pkg 9, and preferred pkg Z1. Had to pay MSRP $26,017.00. and was told it would be in around Feb, Mar. Carousel Toyota in Glen Mills, PA is the dealer. To be honest since no one was giving discounts, via internet all prices were MSRP. Originally they wanted more but all internet programs come in at MSRP. I hope it arrives before then. I'm considering the platinum Toyota warranty, but I wont' buy it for more than $1,000. I imagine I'll get a $1500. US tax credit because of 2004 delivery date. I'd like to know if Delaware has any tax credits for this car.
  • jchan2jchan2 Member Posts: 4,956
    I'm in the market for a Prius/Entry Level Lux/Honda CR-V and if the Energy Bill makes it, the favors will be slanted towards the Prius, from the Infiniti I35 that I'm considering as we speak.
  • esteban_24esteban_24 Member Posts: 1
    Can anyone tell me what they think of their Honda Civic Gx. I am in the market for a new car and I like the benefit of being able to use the carpool lane with the Honda Gx.
  • backybacky Member Posts: 18,949
    You probably want another board. This one is devoted to discussion of the 2nd-generation Prius. Try "Browse by Vehicle" on the left of your screen, with Make = Honda and Model = Civic to find all the Civic-related boards; there must be one in there for the GX--if not you can start one!
  • rrebrreb Member Posts: 3
    I called around and found a car available. The only package that is seriously backordered in Northern Cal is the top option - I really wanted the bluetooth but needed a car now (my old car was totalled). I love the car and know that I made trade offs that I was willing to make. The performance is not that of a European sedan but then the price isn't either. I had planned on waiting until next year to see what other hybrid offerings were out there but that didn't end up being my timing. By the way - love the car! The fun factor is huge.
  • rrebrreb Member Posts: 3
    I can't believe any dealer that tells you it will be 4 months (unless you want only the top option package) I got the 2nd to the top option package and every other local dealer told me that if I wanted to go on the call list, they would call me when they had a car on the ground. Most asked for a deposit and then backpeddled when they heard that I was a cash buyer and needed a car asap. You can get the car serviced by your local dealer, even if you buy it elsewhere - call around and you'll be pleasantly surprised
  • rrebrreb Member Posts: 3
    package 9 is the most popular - I settled for 7 because I needed a car now. The demand is good and Toyota is working to increase production. My guess is that they'll be minor discounts by 2nd quarter of next year but maybe not. Who cares - if a company makes a good product that I want to buy, and I can afford it, then I'll pay msrp. My choice is to buy another car.

    Re the warrantee - you have until the end of either the 1st year or 3 year to purchase the toyota extended plan. My guess is that they will discount below the 980 they offered me (and told me it was negotiable) if you call around a few months after you buy the car. DO NOT BUY WHEN YOU"RE SITTING THERE WAITING TO DRIVE AWAY YOUR NEW PRIUS.
  • uncleal2uncleal2 Member Posts: 1
    I now have 2000 miles on my new Prius. Excellent car But following problems:
    1)Difficult to fill with gas -keeps shutting off gas nozzle after adding only 0.1 gal - - takes forever to add 8 gallons. Toyota engineers have looked at my car and are pondering the problem.
    I've talked to two other owners with same problem.
    2.Very wind sensitive. i.e. poor directional stability in a crosswind. I think this is a byproduct of aerodynamic design which puts center of pressure and center of mass too far from each other.
    3.The navigation system is great if only I could figure out how to use all its features. My Los Angeles area dealer and his service personnel don't have a clue. I have a navigation system in my Acura and it's much easier to learn to use.
  • jchan2jchan2 Member Posts: 4,956
    I am considering either getting the top option or the second to top one. I have a friend who wants a Prius by Christmas to take advantage of the $2000, shrinking to $1500 for 2004. Which option package is the least back-ordered? I'm in no rush myself, and neither is he, but he wants a Prius by December for the larger IRS tax credit.
  • alster2alster2 Member Posts: 12
  • alster2alster2 Member Posts: 12
    Just curious. Do any Prius owners notice that the EPA figures may be just
    a little inflated as compared to normal non-hybrid vehicles. I have noticed this
    quite often with the Honda Civic Hybrid and the Prius where real world
    MPG are way below that of non-hybrid vehicles.

    For instance I had a 94 Honda Civic VX hathchback that was rated at 52 MPG average and
    I indeed averaged that and in some cases surpassed that figure.

    Currently I have a 2003 Jetta TDI (Diesel) wagon 5-speed that averages 55 MPG yet it
    is EPA rated at 45 MPG.

    Just my thoughts

    Alster 2
  • backybacky Member Posts: 18,949
    What was the typical MPG of the Civic VX in the dead of winter, up north (meaning cold), with ethanol-laced gas which is common these days? What was the weight and capacity (people, cargo) of the VX? What were/are the typical driving patterns for the Civic and the Jetta TDI, e.g. how much city start/stop, how much highway cruising, at what speed on the highway? You need to take these and other factors into account before making a blanket statement about hybrid cars' real world MPG being below that of non-hybrid vehicles.
  • 51jerryp51jerryp Member Posts: 6
    I don't really think anyone has had the 2004 Prius long enough to be truly 'broke in' yet. Colder weather always drops mpg in any car. My last tank was 45.2 mpg with 1000 mi on my car. I'm ok with that. Look at the size of the Prius and all the goodies it comes with and I don't think anyone can complain at 45 mpg. I expect that by next spring 50+ will be common for all of us. Regarding EPA estimates- these are determined by running a very controlled course and don't reflect the 'real world'. The only thing they are good for is a comparison of numbers between different cars, since all run the same course. Only car I've had that met and even exceeded the numbers was my 2001 ECHO, and that was after some intake modification, iridium plugs, and light wt. synthetic oil.
  • jchan2jchan2 Member Posts: 4,956
    all numbers are inflated, although I do get 26 MPG with a lot of highway driving in my Odyssey minivan by myself.
  • backybacky Member Posts: 18,949
    I don't know about "all numbers are inflated," but what I'd say (already mentioned by a couple of others) is that the EPA numbers reflect driving under ideal conditions. Under ideal conditions, I've always been able to exceed EPA numbers on my cars; e.g. the highway rating on my '99 Grand Caravan is 24, but I can get between 25-30 mpg while cruising on level highways at moderate (60-65 mpg) speeds. Same for around town--I can get over the 17 mpg EPA rating if I don't do a lot of starting and stopping, accelerate smoothly and go 35-40 mph. But under "real world" conditions, like right now in the cold, snowy Twin Cities, with the usual short trips and stoplights, I'll be lucky to get 14-15 mpg. I'd be thrilled to get 45 mpg on a Prius under the same conditions. I've never been able to average above the low 30s in city driving on any car in the winter, even gas-sippers like Civic, Corolla, and Sentra 5-speeds--much smaller cars (at the time I owned them) than a Prius.
  • masshockeymasshockey Member Posts: 11
    I tried the multifill technique of raygunnot #1264 but the pump clicks off almost immediately when I try to refill. I again only took 8.5 gallons to fill with the last square blinking. Is this really a widespread issue with this tank/sensor? I can't assume that I actually have 3 gallons left when the blinking starts, so in essence I'm stuck with an 8 gallon tank. It takes some of the fun out of the high mpg (46mpg average after 1100 miles in MA) when you still have to fill up every week.
  • eheadingeheading Member Posts: 26
    I am a little puzzled at the mpg reading I am hearing for the '04. My '03 Prius has been averaging a little above 48 mpg for the first 5000 miles. The current tank has about 300 miles on it and is a little above 49. On a recent trip of 50 miles cruising along about 55 mph, I averaged just over 60 mpg!

    I'd be interested in hearing from John who had a 2001 and now has a 2004. How is your mileage comparison driving over similar conditions? Does the '04 show substantial improvement??
  • backybacky Member Posts: 18,949
    Could this have anything to do with the PZEV certification and "zero evaporative emissions"? Maybe the rubber thingy (technical term) in the filler pipe is Toyota's way of meeting the emissions standard. Did the first-gen Prius have this problem?
  • john1701ajohn1701a Member Posts: 1,897
    That has never happened to me, nor have I heard this reported by any of my friends that have a 2004.

    That would lead me to believe it is a local hardware problem. Try a different gas provider. There nozzles are likely to be different.

    JOHN
  • john1701ajohn1701a Member Posts: 1,897
    > How is your mileage comparison driving over similar conditions?

    The 2004 does better. I suspect the efficiency will average about 5 MPG higher once the 10,000 mile break-in is complete.

    JOHN
  • bamacarbamacar Member Posts: 749
    I do think that the numbers for the hybrid vehicles do seem to have significantly lower real world values compared to the EPA estimates -more so than other cars. I have owned many vehicles that have never gotten less than the EPA city number on ANY tank. It seems that rarely does anyone report more than the 51 minimum on the 2004 Prius. I know about the breakin period, but I got 28-32 MPG on my 2003 Honda Accord 4 cylinder Manual for the first 5 tankfuls in mixed driving. The rating is 34 and 26. I get 33-36 on the interstate. I would expect in mixed driving to get around 56 in the Prius right out of the box. This does not seem to be what I am hearing from the Prius owners. If the Prius was getting 45 which seems pretty normal, that is like getting 22-23 in my Accord. That would most likely have me at the Honda dealer complaining, but the Hybrid folks seem to think that is perfectly acceptable. I wonder if uttering the words that 45 MPG is bad gas mileage is too hard for people to admit.
  • xcelxcel Member Posts: 1,025
    Hi Bamacar:

    ___Not to add fuel to the fire but let&#146;s give the 04 Prius the benefit of the doubt until someone has placed 10,000 + miles on one. My 03 Corolla didn&#146;t really zoom up in hwy mileage until ~ 20,000 miles. Around that point in time, I also was upping tire pressures, switched to Mobil1 synthetic, and began to rethink my hwy driving techniques as I was educated by the game gauge in the 03 Acura MDX. Even the Acura took about 5,000 miles before the mileage shut up well beyond EPA specs for hwy driving. Give the 04 Prius&#146; combined actual experienced mileage some time given Toyota&#146;s appear to have a slightly different out of the box experience in terms of mileage then the Honda owners may have experienced.

    ___Good Luck

    ___Wayne R. Gerdes
  • alster2alster2 Member Posts: 12
    Just to let you all know that the EPA figures are already downrated. If a car is receiving
    50 MPG in their controlled city test the published figures are 45 MPG City. The Same
    vehicle now going through the EPA controlled Highway test that receives 60 MPG during
    that controlled test the published figure is 47 MPG.( note 10% City and 22% Hwy downrated)

    So with this in mind the 2004 Prius that received 51 Hwy did actually receive 62 Hwy in
    the actually controlled EPA Test. 60 MPG City was actually 66 MPG during the EPA
    city test.

    Alster 2
  • finestackfinestack Member Posts: 26
    I don't have a subscription to Automotive News but their online newsletter had this headline today:

    "EPA mpg test doesn't work for hybrids"
    Toyota says it would prefer to let consumers know that their actual mileage for its Prius hybrid-electric vehicle will fall short of the official rating. But they can't because government won't let them.

    Interesting...
  • ateixeiraateixeira Member Posts: 72,587
    I saw the same thing, you beat me to it. I don't have a subscription but a colleague here at work has the print edition so I'll try to find it.

    FWIW, it seems like Toyota is being up-front about it.

    -juice
  • markjennmarkjenn Member Posts: 1,142
    EPA mileage tests are inferred from an emissions test run in a building on a dyno, so the Prius didn't do 60 mpg in any test - they ran the emissions test and back-computed expected mileage. EPA did reduce the figures a few years back to produce more realistic numbers. IOW, they're empirically derived.

    - Mark
  • ateixeiraateixeira Member Posts: 72,587
    That point echoes the feelings here that in deep cold, mileage suffers, only even more so with a hybrid.

    On the other hand, didn't Edmunds' Tribute get 14mpg on one tank? It shouldn't be a big surpise that people aren't getting 60mpg.

    -juice
  • hayduke01hayduke01 Member Posts: 128
    I had a '93 Civic VX for almost 10 years and just under 100,000 miles. It was a great car.

    Once I hit 50 MPG on freeway driving in Idaho and Montana. 45 MPG wasn't unusual for mostly highway driving.

    Typical mixed driving was usually 35-40 MPG. That's in Colorado, where it does get cold in the winter, and with ehtanol additives from about November through February. There was some noticeable drop off then, but that was probably offset by not using the AC. There was one hill I frequently climbed where I'd turn off the AC for a little extra power.

    While the VX had a 1.5 liter engine, and HP either in the 90s or just over 100, it weighed just over 2000 pounds, so was faster than one might expect.

    If I ever go for a high-MPG vehicle the Prius would be a candidate. But I'd also consider a used VX, or perhpas even a CR-X if I could find one in good shape/low mileage.
  • oldfoxoldfox Member Posts: 29
    Finally got the word today that my Salsa Red Pearl will arrive 20 Dec. Great news except, I wanted pkg 6 and this one has pkg 1 plus a lot of add ons that are in pkg 5 but cost more than the pkg price and have less. The car comes with 6 disc cd changer - Self Dimming mirror w/homelink - Carpet mats - Rear bumper protector - Toyguard Protection Group. All this for $2024 and pkg 5 which also gives you side and rear air bags is only $1920. I must make a decision tomorrow. If I decide not to take this car I go to the bottom of the list which means I could realistically expect to see a car by mid 2005. I could get a Camry ;but have so looked forward to the Prius. Any thoughts or suggestions would be appreciated.
  • backybacky Member Posts: 18,949
    My advice is, talk to the sales rep or sales manager. The car they are trying to deliver to you is not the car you ordered. Why should you be forced to move to the bottom of the list if you don't accept a car you didn't order? Talk with them about maintaining your position on the list for the next Salsa Red Pearl with Package 6 that comes in. If you are willing to accept a different color with Package 6, that might help get a car to you faster and also demonstrate you are willing to give a bit if they do.

    This is a good cautionary tale to all of us with cars on order. Make sure all the terms are spelled out in writing, e.g. what happens if a car comes in that is close to what you want, but not quite. Also the terms by which the deposit is refundable. My order specifies the only car that is acceptable is a Package 3, in one of 3 color choices.
  • texassalsa04texassalsa04 Member Posts: 34
    Well, after a little over two months, I have my beautiful Salsa Red in the garage. Whole process took about 2 hours with no hassle from my sales rep and the finance lady. Since I had rented a TRAC Prius(#9) for a couple of days, I am pretty familiar with the car. Here is what I found interesting with my Salsa...

    1) They gave me two key fobs, but from the owner's manual, I am suppose to get one fob with chrome Toyota emblem and one fob with a black Toyota emblem. However, both of my fobs shows chrome emblems. Anyone else got the fobs like I did?

    2) I did not find any "valet cards" in the center console.

    3) After I got home, I found two rubber plugs in the glove box with instruction for the pre-delivery "inspector" to install. The instruction states "Insert these rubber plugs into the holes of the center floor side member extensions." Fortunately, there is a picture/diagram of where these wholes are. I guess the pre-delivery "inspector" forgot to install these. Anyone else ran across these?

    4) When I picked up the car, I noticed a total of 2 miles on it. Took her for a quick spin around the block and took delivery with 6 miles on her. I did noticed that when I was doing the quick test drive prior to signing all the papers, the battery indicator was one bar from full. When I drove home, it dipped to 2 bars below full but quickly recovered to 1 bar below full.

    Well, that's it for now. I will have to explore the car some more and see if I come up with anything else. One happy camper signing
    out...Tony.

    P.S. I was "jeep2jetta" but I am now a Prius man...Ohh Yeahh!
  • oldfoxoldfox Member Posts: 29
    Thanks Backy for the reply. The problem is (and I wonder how many others are in my boat) my dealer never would take an "Order" He said that since I was the first to put down $500 I would be first on their list for whatever they were allocated. They did call the SE Distributor and were able to get a promise of a Red prius but nothing beyond that. They now have 12 orders for allocated cars. I think the SE region may be unique in this regard i.e. allocating cars without specific options, I checked with a few other dealers in the carolinas and got the same spiel. I'm concerned that if I wait I may never see just what I want. If I didn't want a Prius so much I would just drop a new engine in my 94 Explorer but Geeezzzz!
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