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  • esfesf Member Posts: 1,020
    I have a small tolerance for performance????!?!?!?!?

    I happen to own an Audi S4 Cabriolet- the RX is my wife's, as I mentioned in the previous post.

    Fast enough for you?
  • ivan_99ivan_99 Member Posts: 1,681
    The Audi Q7 sounds nice...should be under 60K even with the 350hp V8.
  • proeproe Member Posts: 157
    Man, 60k can buy a lot of MB.
    Let us see, for the coupe, you can get either SLK350, or E350. For AMG, you can go for either base C55 or base SLK55 for 5k more, I believe.
    I personally would go for C55 as you and your wife (the key point is you) will have a lot of fun with the car :P
  • proeproe Member Posts: 157
    I happen to own an Audi S4 Cabriolet

    I think you should have said, "I happen to own a 2006 BMW M5, fast enough for you?" :P
  • ccd1ccd1 Member Posts: 140
    Wale:

    Most of us need some kind of "yard stick" by which to compare cars. Size and price are common ways to compare cars.

    The A3 is a little tough to find comparisons because it is a hatch back and there are few hatch backs on the US market. So do you compare with small sporty sedans (BMW 325, Volvo S40, etc) or small sporty wagons (Volvo V50 etc)? A case can be made for either, though the added utility of a hatch makes me look more at wagons than sedans for comparison. Hatches provide cargo space more akin to wagons than sedans.

    How you view the A3's price also depends on how you view the A3. If you view the A3 as a car with a lot of utility for its size as well as being fun to drive, then the car loses its luster as the price climbs with options because you could get an A4, for example, for the same price.

    However, if you think of the A3 as a detuned S4, then fully loaded the A3 is still attractively priced because the comparison for you is probably not the A4, but a car like the BMW 325. But even viewed this way, size, performance and price are valid ways to evaluate the A3.
  • amitvisualamitvisual Member Posts: 26
    Has anyone got this option without the Nav system? How well does it work? Is it anything like the Acura TL? Can you just leave the phone in your pocket and use the car's apeakers? Is there a microphone in the steering wheel or ceiling? My local dealer coouldn't tell me much, and the Audi site has no info on how it works. Appreciate some owner feedback.
  • esfesf Member Posts: 1,020
    The Q7 will be under FIFTY thousand dollars with the 350hp V8- that was my point!

    It's going to be less expensive than the A6 V8, making it a steal, and keeping it competitive with the $51,000 X5 4.4i.
  • esfesf Member Posts: 1,020
    Thanks- but the SLK350's too small. I already have a convertible.

    E350 is what we've been looking for, but we're not sure if we want that or a CLS. I'd only be willing to buy a CLS350 if they eventually make one, but I could look at a base E500.

    My most preferred choice is an E350 4Matic.

    Like I said, I already have an S4 Cabriolet, so I don't need a car like the C55- and my wife drives slower than slow ;).

    Thanks again for your suggestions.
  • dl7265dl7265 Member Posts: 1,381
    Better yet do an ED and save another 5-10K ....

    DL
  • blueguydotcomblueguydotcom Member Posts: 6,249
    ED's the way to go if the dealer will play ball. I can't wait to pick up my car in April! And the new lease rates are out, dropping my 2 year lease to stupid low levels.
  • kurtamaxxxguykurtamaxxxguy Member Posts: 1,798
    Seem to be more hatches now: Mazda 6 offers hatch, Dodge Calibre and its SRT and AWD derivatives is hatch/wagonette, Honda SI morphing into 5 door hatch, along with Volvo V50, Malibu Maxx, VW GTI (C&D raving about that one), etc.

    Caliber SRT-4 with AWD should prove interesting comparison to Audi A3 Quattro.
  • shiposhipo Member Posts: 9,148
    "Caliber SRT-4 with AWD should prove interesting comparison to Audi A3 Quattro."

    Sorry, I don't see any Caliber ever being considered comparable to an A3. Two very different cars for two very different markets that happen to have a few similarities. What you've said is sort of like saying that a WRX or an Evo would be a good comparison with an M5. Not!

    Best Regards,
    Shipo
  • ccd1ccd1 Member Posts: 140
    The distinction between hatch and wagon can get fuzzy, particularly when talking about 5-door hatches. You think of the Volvo V50 as a 4 door hatch, I think of it as a 4 door wagon.
  • kurtamaxxxguykurtamaxxxguy Member Posts: 1,798
    Wrt Caliber AWD, The Audi interior will certainly be more upscale. As for performance, ride and handling, hopefully an Edmunds test comparo will compare all the sport wagons.

    Yeah, it does get fuzzy wrt hatches and wagons. The A3 seems kinda in the middle. The GTI and Maxx are more hatchlike. The Volvo V50 seems more of a wagonette. What's nice about all of them is interior flexibility.
  • esfesf Member Posts: 1,020
    Hopefully, BMW may come to its senses and bring the 1 Series 5-door here.

    THAT would definitely be an interesting comparison to the A3!

    Also, the Lex IS SportCross would be good if they still made it. Seeing Audi's success could bring at least the Mercedes-Benz B-Class and [possibly] the 1 here.
  • ccd1ccd1 Member Posts: 140
    Not only does it get fuzzy, but a lot of the differences come down to image. My wife doesn't want a wagon and NEVER a minivan. The US is crawling with SUVs, when wagons and minivans make much more sense given the way SUVs are actually used by most people.

    Now the difference between a small sport wagon and a hot hatch is that the hatch looks less like a wagon and is thus more comforting for those for whom a wagon doesn't fit their image. And I just may be talking about myself.
  • pittsypittsy Member Posts: 15
    Well I got a lot of feedback but nothing on the radio. Picked up the A3 yesterday and it is an excellent vehicle, tight, fast and plenty of room front and back. First for those who wanted to know why I dumped the Touareg let me state that the A3 will be my 5th Audi - I traded a 1996 A4 in on the Touareg, my wife has a A6 and I wanted to try something different. I liked the 3.2 ltr engine and thought the mileage would have been way better than 13 mpg mixed city/hwy - especially when we are paying $1.00+ ltr ($3.25U.S. gallon)for gas. Second is annoyances - the Touareg was never without some kind of warning light or the other alert on, the remote key would not work unless you were 3ft from the vehicle etc. Sorry, not a Touareg bashing forum. Looks like I have a couple of options re the radio/nav, keep the standard single CD radio and add a XM tuner (anyone done this) and go with an aftermarket nav or pull the radio and go with a Pioneer, Alpine etc. with integrated XM, Nav etc. (anyone done this?) Thanks
  • wco81wco81 Member Posts: 594
    I thought it was underwhelming and not selling well at all.
  • blueguydotcomblueguydotcom Member Posts: 6,249
    Drive an X3 manual 3.0...if a person wants an suv but still would prefer handling, nothing can touch it for under 60k. Nothing. Plus you can do ED on a 3.0 X3...thus saving crazy money. Why it's available ED when it's built in N. Carolina is beyond me.

    Sales aren't an indicator of anything. The Mazda6 continues to sell poorly and it's by far the most entertaining of all the family sedans. Only the legacy comes close, but that's a rough, unrefined car that never lets you forget it's a brother of the subaru wrx.
  • sunilbsunilb Member Posts: 407
    I thought the X3 was being built in Eastern Europe by a 3rd party; and only the Z4 and X5 are being built domestically. A bit off-topic.
  • dhanleydhanley Member Posts: 1,531
    x3 is euro-built. It's the x5 that's sourced in spartanburg.

    Spent some time in the a3 at the chicago autoshow. I think it's off my list, just a bit too small. My head's on the cieling and my cousin in the backseat behind me had the same problem. And with the AWD version starting at 34k--i'd just get a 330.
  • dino001dino001 Member Posts: 6,191
    Graz, Austria - that's where it's built.

    2018 430i Gran Coupe

  • esfesf Member Posts: 1,020
    Even though the 330i is slower and costs more(Costs $37K and has the same power), and is actually more impractical (sedan)?

    Okay, your car.

    ;)
  • billherrmannbillherrmann Member Posts: 108
    Amen. to that. I've had Acura TL and BMW 330 and neither comes close.
  • blueguydotcomblueguydotcom Member Posts: 6,249
    Bummer to read about that.
  • dino001dino001 Member Posts: 6,191
    I bet the prices will stay the same, which means it is a nice price hike. It looks BMW will stay alone with paid full maintenance, that is meaningful (i.e. with at least one "large" service and really small list of exclusions). I wonder if it has to do with dollar exchange rate or something else.

    It also shows how much money all imports potentially had made before the the currency change (look at prices when 1 euro was 0.9 US dollar) - their prices did not rise that much.

    Is there a potential customer backlash, or rich guys simply don't care and the ones on the fence (financially) are not really favorite customers, anyway?

    2018 430i Gran Coupe

  • wale_bate1wale_bate1 Member Posts: 1,982
    "Is there a potential customer backlash, or rich guys simply don't care and the ones on the fence (financially) are not really favorite customers, anyway?"

    Wouldn't make sense, seeing as all how these mfrs have seriously courted the "younger" entry-lux buyer who is typically bridging in the first place.

    I can't peg Audi's US strategy at all. They want to broaden appeal and increase share, but struggle against exchange rate deficits and want their US dealerships to be more profitable. It's almost as if they never quite caught the tapes on the Nippo-lux invasion here, or are completely ignoring history, or simply think that, based on their Euro-rep, theirs doesn't stink and they simply aren't getting their props here for unknown reasons. :confuse:

    Funny company. Great cars. Funny company.
  • dino001dino001 Member Posts: 6,191
    "Funny company" goes across the board. Some of their marketing decisions are completely mindboggling, no quattro on 2.0 being probably the winner.

    2018 430i Gran Coupe

  • kurtamaxxxguykurtamaxxxguy Member Posts: 1,798
    Maybe it comes from Audi's VW parent, another "funny" company.
    Loosing free maintanance in '07's a dis-incentive but if Audi can sell every A3 it has, why would they care? A bigger impact might be the (finally) new VW Golf, and its GTI variant.
  • ccd1ccd1 Member Posts: 140
    I'm predicting that Audi will have some trouble selling A3s w/o free maintenance. I'm looking at the A3, but it is no easy sell and the major reason is price.

    The A3 3.2 comes pretty much loaded, but adding just a few extras like the moon roof and Xenon lights pushes the price tag to $37-38k, which is a lot for a car this size. The 2.0T is less money, HOWEVER, it does NOT come loaded and you can easily end up over $30k unless you are very careful about options.

    This is complicated by the lack of US appetite for hatches, particularly expensive hatches and a price range that places the A3 up against some formidable competition like the BMW 3 Series. Then add to this the fact that Audis are not known for holding their value particularly well.

    All this leaves me sitting on the fence, deciding whether the A3 is worth the money. As much as I would like to purchase the car new, I can probably save $5k or more by simply buying the car 1 yr old with low miles.

    Even with the maintenance program, the pricing of the A3 does not make this car an easy sell. Unless they drop the price along with dropping the maintenance program, it won't get any easier.
  • blueguydotcomblueguydotcom Member Posts: 6,249
    Really Audi and MB have removed themselves from any consideration. My 330i has only cost me money for tires. My on-order 330i will cost me about half as much as my last car and I'll have it for 2/3rds the time. Plus it's nice to know a car's only costs are going to be: tires, gas, insurance. easy to budget for that.
  • sunilbsunilb Member Posts: 407
    hey blueguy...

    So what were the details of your lease? (or, did I miss this in an earlier posting?)
  • andres3andres3 Member Posts: 13,935
    After several nights of losing sleep thinking about which option package I should get on a new A3 (sport, premium, or base "cloth" model with DSG, and which tires, and which colors exterior and interior, and whether Audi's greedy pricing structure (especially with add-on options) is a good enough value to justy my pulling the trigger in mid-April. I had a revelation the other night. I believe that Audi has overpriced the A3 by a grand or 2 because they have to in order to cover their costs and make their desired profit levels. Not necessarily greed, I think this has to do with the poor reliability track record of Audi & Volkswagon. I think it has everything to do with the free maintenance and extensive warranty work (that they are counting on having to do, which costs money that Audi has to pay for). If there cars were more reliable, then they wouldn't have to charge so much, because they wouldn't have to incur significant warranty work charges, both in materials and labor. I think this is why Honda and Toyota are able to offer lesser warranties, and nobody cares, because you don't ever have to USE THE WARRANTY, and thats the ultimate goal really. I don't want a car that I need to use the warranty on, no matter if its 10 years and 100K miles like some Korean car company that starts with the letter H.

    I love the A3 for many reasons, and the DSG transmission, but the prices have got me thinking twice!
    '18 Porsche Macan Turbo, '16 Audi TTS, Wife's '19 VW Tiguan SEL 4-Motion
  • rjlaerorjlaero Member Posts: 659
    BMW pays for an oil change every 15,000 miles
    Wow...that's really saving you a ton of money.

    I question going 15k miles on a single oil change anyway. But if you're leasing a car, I guess it doesn't matter and you won't care.

    BMW's are quite over-priced just as MB's are. So if you buy a car and don't lease it, you're not saving near as much money as you think you are.

    Nothing is for free and you're paying for it somewhere, and that's a higher MSRP to start with.
  • shiposhipo Member Posts: 9,148
    "BMW pays for an oil change every 15,000 miles
    Wow...that's really saving you a ton of money."


    I don't know where you got that idea; however, it is a gross oversimplification at best. If you were invest a few minutes and actually research the truth of the matter I believe that you'll find that BMW's "free" maintenance program includes the following items:

    - Oil Changes (including filters) at either 1 year or when the OBC (which contains "Condition Based Service" logic) says so, whichever comes first
    - Brake Fluid flush (every 24 months)
    - Service I (usually coincides with second oil change)
    - Cabin Microfilter
    - Brake pads and rotors as necessary
    - Wiper blades, belts and hoses
    - Fluid top-offs (i.e. washer fluid, coolant, oil, brake fluid...)

    Basically everything but gas and tires are covered.

    Hmmm, thinking about this a little further, and in an effort to keep everybody both honest and on the same page of the song book, I looked it up myself. So, what does the source say?

    As part of BMW's complete commitment to your driving pleasure, we include Full Maintenance on every new BMW purchased from any authorized BMW center in the U.S. or Puerto Rico. The BMW Full Maintenance program provides superior service by expert technicians at all authorized BMW centers in the U.S. or Puerto Rico for 4 years or 50,000 miles, whichever comes first.

    Full Maintenance includes items that need replacement due to normal wear and tear, provided wear and tear exceeds BMW specifications. This includes items such as brake pads, brake rotors, and wiper blade inserts that are not covered by the original New Vehicle Limited Warranty.

    Any adjustments required due to normal operating conditions are also included. For exclusions and limitations, refer to the Service and Warranty Information booklet that came with your new BMW or see your authorized BMW center for details.


    Now, to the point of Personally, I wouldn't consider any German car without maintenance, hmmm, maintenance is nice, and I've certainly benefited from it to a certain extent on my two BMWs (I did interim oil changes because I'm fairly certain that my first dealer wasn't using BMW/Castrol fully synthetic oil as well as my own brake jobs because I wanted low-dust pads), but for me at least, "Free Maintenance" isn't a show stopper as I'd almost rather do the work myself anyway. ;-) With that said, I am a little annoyed that Audi might drop maintenance for their 2007 models. Why? Because I'm sort of hoping that the A3 will be blessed with SP/Convenience Package & Bluetooth/Xenon configurability in 2007 (as opposed to the 2006 version which makes the Convenience Package and Xenon headlights mutually exclusive), and sometimes I'm just too busy/lazy to do it myself. :blush:

    Best Regards,
    Shipo
  • joemalejoemale Member Posts: 28
    If price worries you, negotitate!
    Seriously, I got my AUdi for 250 UNDER invoice.
    ANd I totally love it!!
  • esfesf Member Posts: 1,020
    This is distressing- I have just read on another gossip website that all 2007 Audis will not have the free maintenance program, following Mercedes-Benz's lead in the act.

    So, what does this mean? Hurry, and get your 2006 A3 while you can!

    :cry:
  • esfesf Member Posts: 1,020
    Audi WILL drop their maintenance on 2007 models, as I stated on the previous post.

    I'm not getting a BMW- too much brand loyalty to Audi.
  • blueguydotcomblueguydotcom Member Posts: 6,249
    A guy at the track this weekend had an Audi A3 3.2. That's a sweet little car.

    someone asked me about lease deals...I mentioned it on the 3 series forums here that with ED, the 2 year lease ends up being silly cheap - like sub $400 a month for a 330i.

    Just heard on the drive home that Audi (at least in LA) is finally offering a good lease ($399) for the A3. Maybe i misheard? Fairly sure they said A3.
  • rjlaerorjlaero Member Posts: 659
    Audi will still pay for the 1st synthetic oil change @ 5000 miles. They also have a wearable item allowance for the first 12/12..ie wiper blades and such. So you're still technically getting free maintenace for the first year, and your next service isn't until 15k that you'll have to pay for. And that's just another oil change & filter change.
  • andres3andres3 Member Posts: 13,935
    Saw in the Sacramento Bee Newspaper Lease deal on the Audi A3:
    36 months, $359/mo., 10K miles/ year, .25/mile over (are they nuts?). I don't remember exact drive off figures, but it was around $1,750. Its an OK deal, but the excess mileage charge is ridiculous.
    '18 Porsche Macan Turbo, '16 Audi TTS, Wife's '19 VW Tiguan SEL 4-Motion
  • rjlaerorjlaero Member Posts: 659
    That's why you buy your miles up front and get 12K or 15k if you need it.

    I thought Mercedes and BMW is 20-25 cents as well.
  • blueguydotcomblueguydotcom Member Posts: 6,249
    That's before tax as well. So it's really around $385 a month and that's not including those drive-off fees.
  • wco81wco81 Member Posts: 594
    If it's anything like their A4 leases, it's probably only for the 2.0 and probably with little options. If you get a DSG car, it probably shoots it up.
  • amitvisualamitvisual Member Posts: 26
    Where did you buy your A3 for $250 under invoice?
  • andres3andres3 Member Posts: 13,935
    Actually, and I should of said this before to be more clear.
    Sacramento Newspaper (Sacramento Bee) Lease Advertisement on the Audi A3:
    1)$359/Mo. 36 Month Lease
    2)Downpayment $999
    3) Refundable Deposit $0*
    4) Acquisition Fee $575
    5) First Month Payment $359
    Therefore, amount due at inception $1,933.
    *36 month closed end lease offered to qualified customers by Audi Financial Services, Inc. Must take deliver by 4/3/06 and rate based on $28,040 MSRP of 2.0T with DSG, Opensky, and destination. Purchase option at lease end for $15,702.40.
    6) $0.25/mile over 10,000 miles
    7 Dispostion Fee of $350 due at lease end.

    Couldn't you get/lease a better car for this much money?
    '18 Porsche Macan Turbo, '16 Audi TTS, Wife's '19 VW Tiguan SEL 4-Motion
  • dl7265dl7265 Member Posts: 1,381
    How much longer are you going to tease us that you might purchase a FWD'er ?

    If thats true, I suggest paying cash for a GTI with 18" wheels :P

    DL
  • dl7265dl7265 Member Posts: 1,381
    Well its 56% residual and about 4% interest rate. So they have come down some on the Int. A BMW 325i currently is 65% residual and 6% Int. For example, if pricing was identical the BMW would be about $25-30 a month less.

    SO, not horrible, but not amazing either,

    DL
  • shiposhipo Member Posts: 9,148
    Teehee. Sorry folks, I'm afraid the tease is going to have to last a little longer. As some of you know, I've deferred my next purchase for (among other reasons) the sake of being financially conservative. My business partner and I launched a new business last summer and while it's doing okay, it ain't setting the world on fire just yet, and as such, I'm still compelled to drive the old green Caravan a bit longer.

    Looking at this another way, given the crazy driving profile that developed for me last summer (as in having driven nearly twenty thousand miles in just six months) has eased a bit so that I'm now only driving about 90 miles per weekday and sparingly on the weekends, which in turn means that I'm only racking them up at the rate of about 25K per year. With that in mind, I'm fairly reticent to buy/lease a new car and then obliterate its value in just a few short years with so many miles. So, as long as the 1998 DCG keeps running as flawlessly as it has been running (107K miles and only $200 in unscheduled maintenance), I'm going to be hard-pressed to justify doing anything until I drop my yearly mileage back below the 15K mile threshold.

    As for what I'm going to do next...

    While I'm considering MANY cars (kind of fun really), the only two that I'm really serious about looking at are the A3 2.0T 6-Speed Manual and the 330i (nee. 335i) 6-Speed Manual. Given my own personal yardstick, there are many points that both cars have in common, and points (both good and bad) unique to each. What will I do in the end? Who the hell knows? ;-)

    Best Regards,
    Shipo
  • dl7265dl7265 Member Posts: 1,381
    Sorry to pressure you ;) , But it was too much suspence....

    After relocating last year and doubling my mileage I questioned my purchase a little. But what can I say ? Good times :)

    DL
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