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  • bob259bob259 Member Posts: 280
    I think they maybe are measuring ground clearance based on centering over a rise, or both wheels equally spaced from a high point at the center of the vehicle.
  • artpartp Member Posts: 156
    I think these Chevy guys run in cycles. They buy a new Chevy and are happy with it, initially. Over time the truck and the owners opinion start to deteriorate. They get frustrated and are afraid to say anything in our site, for fear that the truth "'bout them trucks" will surface. They then leave Edmunds. In their place a new batch of Chevy guys comes along. Maybe we can be wiser this time about how to handle the new batch of Chevy owners.

    BTW - rwellbaum2, what topic were you in when Quad asked you to leave?
  • bluebeastbluebeast Member Posts: 258
    Boy, this bob259 sure took an early beating, glad to see that was temporary. I too, just like bob259 am a basic nut for autos/trucks (more towards trucks though) and enjoy reading other pages. I read the Tundra stuff AFTER digesting anything on the Silverado. I was once a Toyota owner (81 Celica, 88 Camary, 89 Xcab 4x4 and a 95 T100 SR5 2x4) but when I started looking for my new truck I ended up with the Silverado (1999). Is it the best? for me it is because I wanted/needed more room. And with all of the other things that could be considered being fairly equal I choose the Silverado. My first domestic truck since my 72 Chevy Cheyenne Super, short, wide box which I owned for 7 years. If the Tundra would have just had more rear space I would have bought it simply because my experience with Toyota is QUALITY, QUALITY QUALITY!. One thing that used to really bug me about owning a Toyota was that the aftermarket parts for Toyota's are always a long time in coming. I took off 2 days of vacation to go out and test drive the Ford, Chevy & Toyota and like I said they are all good products I just needed the back seating room. But one observation I did make is that by just looking at interior measurements you would think that the Tundra is a full size truck, but when you actually go and sit in one it does not "feel it". Anyone know what the interior volume of each truck is? bob259, I'm just curious, have you ever even owned a Toyota product? If so what? If not, do you think you ever will? or does it scare you that your buddies may make fun of you? or what? Sounds like you want to but something may be holding you back.
  • cliffy1cliffy1 Member Posts: 3,581
    What is the big deal with aftermarket stuff? Is it that you are displeased with what the factory builds so you must add stuff to get the truck right? Everyone keeps harping on the lack of accessories for a truck that has been available for 6 months and I just don't see what the big deal is.

    If you want performance enhancing parts, see your local dealer and ask what TRD has available. For the time being, they have new exhaust systems with a 15 HP improvement. Headers (another 15hp enhancement) are forthcoming and performance brake pads, diff locks, grills, fender flares and bumpers will also be out soon.
  • artpartp Member Posts: 156
    Cliffy,

    Can you ball park the cost of the aftermarket exhaust and headers please?
  • bob259bob259 Member Posts: 280
    We owned two Toyota's both Camary wagons. We are still sorry that they stopped making them. My brother also has two Camarys and my niece has a xcab 4x4, so I do know about the Quality.

    I swap often so if the Tundra shows good resale value I'm not beyond getting one next time around, like I said I like anything with wheels.
  • rwellbaum2rwellbaum2 Member Posts: 1,006
    The silv frame failure topic. He was complaining that Tundra owners shouldn't be in a silverado topic. I reminded him of the endless posts he made to this topic. Guess he didn't like being called on his hypocrosy.
  • samirpowarsamirpowar Member Posts: 28
    I hate to do this, but do you get a discount on parts/accessories for the Tundra? I'd like to order the tech/service manuals for the Tundra and was quoted approximately $180 for the three manuals. Can you help me get them cheaper? Thanks.

    Samir
  • bluebeastbluebeast Member Posts: 258
    Boy, this bob259 sure took an early beating, glad to see that was temporary. I too, just like bob259 am a basic nut for autos/trucks (more towards trucks though) and enjoy reading other pages. I read the Tundra stuff AFTER digesting anything on the Silverado. I was once a Toyota owner (81 Celica, 88 Camary, 89 Xcab 4x4 and a 95 T100 SR5 2x4) but when I started looking for my new truck I ended up with the Silverado (1999). Is it the best? for me it is because I wanted/needed more room. And with all of the other things that could be considered being fairly equal I choose the Silverado. My first domestic truck since my 72 Chevy Cheyenne Super, short, wide box which I owned for 7 years. If the Tundra would have just had more rear space I would have bought it simply because my experience with Toyota is QUALITY, QUALITY QUALITY!. One thing that used to really bug me about owning a Toyota was that the aftermarket parts for Toyota's are always a long time in coming. I took off 2 days of vacation to go out and test drive the Ford, Chevy & Toyota and like I said they are all good products I just needed the back seating room. But one observation I did make is that by just looking at interior measurements you would think that the Tundra is a full size truck, but when you actually go and sit in one it does not "feel it". Anyone know what the interior volume of each truck is? bob259, I'm just curious, have you ever even owned a Toyota product? If so what? If not, do you think you ever will? or does it scare you that your buddies may make fun of you? or what? Sounds like you want to but something may be holding you back.
  • cliffy1cliffy1 Member Posts: 3,581
    e-mail me at sclifford@dsdial.net. I'll see what I can do but I need something in writing that I can print to take to the parts director.
  • cliffy1cliffy1 Member Posts: 3,581
    There is a post on the Tacoma/Ranger page that is more appropriately addressed here. There is a reason that the V8 Tundra does not come with an manual transmission. In a word, emissions. The EPA has very stringent emission requirements for individual models as well as overall product lines. The computer for the automatic transmission talks to the engine computer which retards ignition firing during shifts to improve emissions. This can't be done with a manual transmission since it doesn't know when you are planning on shifting.

    The Tundra might pass emissions standards by itself, but Toyota needed to keep the total product line at a certain level. Our beloved Federal Government is certainly looking out for us. I feel safer already.

    Ask me why we can't put a hitch on a Limited if you want another good one.
  • rs_pettyrs_petty Member Posts: 423
    Why?
  • cliffy1cliffy1 Member Posts: 3,581
    Again, it is the EPA. Apparently, the extra weight of the hitch puts the Limited into a weight class that Toyota is not approved for. There is only a 30 pound difference between an SR5 and a Limited but we can only put the hitch onto an SR5. As a dealership, we can't even install an aftermarket hitch or we risk a huge fine. Again, thank you federal government.
  • nrndnrnd Member Posts: 1
    As a potential Tundra owner, I've been monitoring this topic for a couple of weeks now. I think the discussions are interesting and informative. I think healthy debate is constructive, as long as the insults and personal slights are left out of the discussions.

    Concerning the comments on spray-on bedliners, I think scuffing the paint before applying the liner would promote adhesion. Since the liner is permanent, why would scuffing the paint be a worry. As far as I know, body shops still scuff paint when repainting.

    Lastly, does anyone have any recommendations on where to get a "reasonable" deal on a Tundra in the San Diego area.
  • rs_pettyrs_petty Member Posts: 423
    I think we can safely debate the issue here. See my post 113 and lets go from there.
  • cliffy1cliffy1 Member Posts: 3,581
    Welcome aboard. I didn't say I was opposed to scuffing the paint. I just said it makes me nervous. I have no empirical reason to be but I just don't think I could bring myself to do it. I know the bedliners scuff things even worse and that damage can go undetected which is why I put a rubber bed mat in mine instead.
  • lexmarklexmark Member Posts: 68
    Our, "debate" may not get far for the following reasons:

    My Silverado prices came from GM Canada's, "Build your own."

    My Tundra prices came from Toyota Canada's, "Tundra" information.

    Yes, up here in Canada we use funny colored, somewhat worthless dollars and get much fewer options on the Toyota. If you think options on the Tundra are limited in the US, you should check out the limits up here!

    Anyways, I couldn't equip a Tundra very selectively up here so comparisons are quite a bit different.

    It's funny though. I can see all the pro's and con's in favour of the Silverado over and over, but I still feel like I would be 'settling' if I actually had to buy one.
  • jyarnoldjyarnold Member Posts: 50
    I posted this question earlier but haven’t heard anything on it so here it goes again: I’ve noticed that my Tundra, (sunfire red), is picking paint chips at a faster rate than my previous 4Runner. Has anyone seen this? I saw a post from Harry R. about the XPEL paint protectors but they only cover a portion of the hood and mirrors. I’m getting nicks all over and don’t really want to plasitsize the whole vehicle, (I will order the XPEL though), however my concern is that the Paint ain’t gonna last thru the loan at this rate. Any ideas? Is the Red more susceptible to chips then my previous Blue?

    CO puts sand, and small rocks on the road for traction so even if I don’t off-road with it, (forget it I'm not babying a PU), rocks still fly on the HW’s, in fact it seems most of the Windshields here in CO are broken!
  • rs_pettyrs_petty Member Posts: 423
    I just see a lot of posts that says the Tundra costs more than the Silverado. My experience with pricing them on several sites (autobytel, edmunds, carpoint, etc.) and what I see at the local dealers just makes that argument big time incorrect when you compare apples to apples. There are pros and cons to both trucks, but a 2-3000 price swing is a pretty big deal to most folks. I know in my situation that I found I could live with the smaller back seat in the Tundra for that kind of money.
  • lexmarklexmark Member Posts: 68
    Once in a blue moon I forget that $1500 US is equivalent to $2190 Canadian. It makes a big difference when your talking about one truck being $2000 more than another. (Was that $2000 US or, well, you get the idea...)

    The first Tundra I saw, I hated. It was plain (no chrome, no fender flares, no alloys) it seemed too small. That all changed when I drove a different one a few weeks later! No truck should drive this good and still be used to haul bricks!
  • lexmarklexmark Member Posts: 68
    What does the dealer say about your paint chips? Anyone else having paint chip problems? I hate bad paint!
  • rs_pettyrs_petty Member Posts: 423
    Never thought of Canadian price differences before. Hope your enjoying your ride. C ya.
  • cliffy1cliffy1 Member Posts: 3,581
    The color of your truck is sunfire red (color code 3K4) and the same paint is used on the Tacomas and 4Runners. I have not heard of any complaints about the paint but I will keep my ear to the ground on it.
  • rs_pettyrs_petty Member Posts: 423
    No problems with the Platinum, but then mine is babied. cwirth has a red does he have any problems with his?
  • hicairahicaira Member Posts: 276
    Lurk around here once in a while and thought I'd comment on the Borla cat back. Had one on my 4Runner and now have one on my 98 Landcruiser.

    Go buy one. You will not regret it.

    Cost for the Landcruiser cat back was $499. My guess is that it will not be much different for the Tundra.

    Now If I could only figure out why I'm getting better gas mileage than some of you guys when I have a 700lb handicap. Averaging 15+ on my version of the V8.

    Cliffy: Your insight on the AWD system in the Landcruiser would be appreciated, but may be a bother in this forum.

    Enjoy your Tundras' guys.

    HiC
  • kentekente Member Posts: 28
    I have a Sunfire Red SR5. After about 1800 miles every tank of gas has been between 16-18 MPG. This is probably 60% highway and 40% stop and go.

    I checked my truck over a few minutes ago. No problems with the paint at all.
  • capt2capt2 Member Posts: 57
    I drove a 98 Tacoma 30,000 miles and did not have any problem with the Red chipping. Must be a bad paint job. At 6,000 on my Tundra and the Platium Metallic is holding up fine. I think the 15-18 mpg range is about what to expect.
  • cwirthcwirth Member Posts: 169
    As rs petty mentioned I have the Sunfire Red and I have not had a problem with the paint. In fact, I washed and waxed it last weekend and it looks great. Personally, I think that is the best color available on the Tundra, I have received numerous compliments everywhere I go.

    Anyway, I have just over 12,000 miles on the Tundra and it is doing great. Heard that creaking noise in the center of the dash last Sunday but it went away just as quick as it came. Mileage still good 16 city and 20 highway.

    Put in an aftermarket DRL module in the truck, works very well and only cost $25.
  • toytundramantoytundraman Member Posts: 19
    What is a DRL Module (and what does it do)? Thanks!
  • mikemillermikemiller Member Posts: 71
    I have over 5000 miles on my Jade Mica paint job and it's holding up pretty good. I do have a few paint chips under the front doors. This doesn't surprise me too much since I live 4 miles up a very rough gravel road. Sometimes I go a little too fast and these new TRD BFG tires pick up gravel and throw it pretty hard. I know I'm abusing it a little bit. It does seem that this paint is chipping a piece a little larger than my pickup or 4Runner did. The LTD TRD fender flares definitely help. I guess their functionality out weighs their overly wide size (my opinion). When I was shopping for my Tundra I tried to get one with the All Weather Guard Package (I can't find the code). It includes a heavy-duty battery, starter, heater and anti-chip paint. The dealer who was looking for my truck said that he had never seen a Tundra with this option. Eventually I gave up on it like I did the ABS. Sounds like an option that needs to be made more available for drivers in rougher environments. But when all is said and done, this is a truck and I plan on using it like a truck This means that it will be a little rough around the edges, but I don't mind that. The only way to keep any vehicle spotless is to keep it parked in a garage, and that a terrible thing to do to a Tundra!
  • dogdaddogdad Member Posts: 4
    I had a Line-x put in my tundra and was told that the rubber pull outs were not actually drain holes but the areas where the factory picks upthe bed to assemble the truck. The water drains in the front where the bottom of the bed and the front meet,, there is a small space for this.
    After it was sprayed , I checked it out, and yes it drains great. No need to not spray the rubber pull outs, besides , it looks better all sprayed and you might have a problem getting the rubber pieces on and off.

    Any suggestions on a bug shield ?? I looked into one that fits between the grill and the paint but don't like the idea of the bugshield directly on the paint.
  • dogsterdogster Member Posts: 94
    Regarding earlier post of hitch on Limited 4x4, you can have one installed aftermarket, and from what I was told last time, you can now order it from the factory. I got my info from Toyota National Customer Assistance. They said if I ran into a dealer who said otherwise to let them know and they would educate them. I have a Class IV Toyota hitch sitting on my Limited 4x4 that was dealer installed.

    My limited also came with the All Weather Guard package, in Southern CA too!

    I have Sunfire Red and haven't noticed any chips yet but then again I only have 700 miles.
  • cwirthcwirth Member Posts: 169
    The DRL module is a daytime running lights unit that adds to the Tundra. It works just like the factory installed unit. Essentially, it turns the headlights on when the ingition switch in on at 75% of high beam intensity.

    In the Wash DC area all Tundras I saw had the all-weather guard option installed, did not find one that did not.

    If you are looking for a bug shield look at the Lund, model number 18083. The shield never touches the paint and there are no rubber bumpers to install on the paint, I hate them. You do, however, have to drill 4 smaill holes under the front of the hood to attach it. Even at high speeds the shield never touches the paint. You can buy it on line at www.detailshop.com for about $55.
  • cliffy1cliffy1 Member Posts: 3,581
    cwirth--I am currently trying to figure out if I can disable the DRLs in my Limited. Why would you want those blasted things. Also, where in the DC area did you buy your Tundra. Was it a good experience?

    hicaira--The 2000 LC has a new 4 wheel drive system that is very odd. It has open differentials front, rear AND center. Power would be biased to one wheel with no traction except it has a traction control computer. When one wheel begins to slip, the ABS kicks in and slows that wheel. This fools the differentials into shifting power away from that wheel. It is a slick system and Mercedes has been using the same arrangement on the M Class.

    The LC also has a "Vehicle Skid Control" computer that applies brakes at three wheels in a panic maneuver to prevent under and over steer. This sucker is very stable in an emergency.
  • cliffy1cliffy1 Member Posts: 3,581
    Your info on the 4x4 Limited is very much news to me. I am glad to hear it but I am very skeptical. The Customer Service people do not always have the best information. They have a Source Book in from of them and The Book says you can do it. We have tried getting the hitch done at the port and have always been turned down.

    If you order a hitch through the parts department, things are just as bad. Toyota is "hand allocating" the hitches. That means the parts department must submit the order to Toyota with a VIN. Toyota will only fill requests for the SR5 and even then, it is a month before you can get it. I went through this last week. Even being a dealership employee, we could not get Toyota to release one to me. Unless things have changed in the past 48 hours, I have my doubts about the customer service people.
  • mlundeinmlundein Member Posts: 7
    I read a post that recommended an occasion placing the Tundra into 4 wheel drive, evidently to redistribute the grease in the gearing, anyway upon doing this in low range the truck seemed to be geared very low, almost as if it was not going to shift to the next gear, i was only traveling @ 5-8 mph, no grade, and on dry pavement( I realize this is not recommended), I also did not check rpm's. I have had a Ford 4X4 and it felt very different in low gear. Any thought's, Thanks in advance Mark L.
  • cliffy1cliffy1 Member Posts: 3,581
    Why would you be surprised that it wont go very fast in the low gear range? This setting is only for extreme situations. The owners manual does recommend driving in 4WD once a month but this should be done in the high gear range. 4WD Low is for getting unstuck only.
  • bone1bone1 Member Posts: 3
    Has anyone heard any thing about tundra regular cab's?
  • cwirthcwirth Member Posts: 169
    I, too, at one time did not care from DRLs but I own a home just outside Ocean City MD and go down there often. In this area of Maryland there are posted signs that require headlights to be on and they mean it. I have seen numerous drivers pulled over and ticketed by the state police. Also MD has the new lights on when wipers are on law. Now I believe that having DRLs are not a bad idea.

    I bought my Tundra from Fitzgerald Lakeforest Toyota in Gaithersburg MD. Yes the purchase was good. I bought my Tundra on June 3 so I know I paid more than I could today but I did not pay anywhere close to MSRP that other dealers in the DC area wanted. In fact some wanted MSRP and they let me walk out because I would not. Fitzgerald did not play those games and they gave me a real good price on my trade. Overall I was very satisfied and 2 months later I helped my sister buy a new Corolla from them..
  • hgabberthgabbert Member Posts: 1
    I bought my LTD without a hitch and I was told that I could get the package for the trailer lights from the dealership but was unable to get the hitch from them. I ordered the trailer light package and installed it myself and ordered a Class 3 Draw Tite hitch from Napa Auto parts store. The hitch bolted right on the truck in all the factory provided holes in less then 10 minutes and looks great. You will not be unhappy with this after market product.
  • cliffy1cliffy1 Member Posts: 3,581
    I've heard good things about Lakeforest. Glad it went well. I know arrogance runs rampant in DC area Toyota stores. There are only two or three that take a more civilized approach to selling.

    Bone 1--We have 6 V8 standard cab 4x4 models coming within the next month so I assume Toyota is now building more for the rest of the country as well.
  • mijtakmijtak Member Posts: 2
    So much chrome! How do any of you professional detailers recommend cleaning this. Thanks for the help!
  • capt2capt2 Member Posts: 57
    Anyone know whats wrong with their website, I havn't been able to log on for couple of weeks?
  • bslo33bslo33 Member Posts: 11
    It kills me to see you-uns talking about your fine Tundras. Here in the Philadelphia area I begged 3 different dealers for a reg cab V6 4x4 automatic in late September. The best response I got was we will place the order and "maybe" get delivery in February. I am quite satisfied with my '88 Camry, and can't believe Toyota couldn't get it together for me. I've got 300 miles on a F150. It's OK, but not as refined as the Tundra.
  • 606zpx606zpx Member Posts: 75
    I was having the same problem....try the following
    www.jimbarkleytoyota.com
  • mikemillermikemiller Member Posts: 71
    I'll try to call the dealership tomorrow and see what going on. I'll let you know what they say.

    bslo33 - I hate to hear what happened to you. I know I got very frustrated in trying to get the Tundra I wanted too. Was there any particular thinking you had for not wanting an AccessCab? The only thing I ever regretting with my 92 Toy Pickup was that it didn't have the extra space.
    Do you guys really say you-uns in PA? I thought W NC and E TN had dibs on that particular word. Although we say it more like y'uns. (you ones).
  • mikemillermikemiller Member Posts: 71
    606zpx is right. www.jimbarkleytoyota.com is working.
  • david6david6 Member Posts: 75
    Mike, in the Pittsburgh area many locals say you ones as "yinz", it's very well recognized as part of the Pittsburgh accent. Thought to come from Scottish steel mill workers. Something I (a transplant here) will never be able to bring myself to say.

    On a Tundra-related topic: Does anyone here have the anti-chip paint, and do you think it's worth it?
  • kentekente Member Posts: 28
    I have the anti-chip paint and after 1800 miles,
    I have no chips. The paint is part of the off-road package, I think.
  • capt2capt2 Member Posts: 57
    Thanks for the info, surprised they didn't install a link for a shoet while.
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