Toyota Tundra New Owner Reports

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  • tundra911tundra911 Member Posts: 1
    I bought my DC Limited May 15 and still find myself amazed with different bits of technology in this truck. I sold my O2' HD Chev Duramax Crew Cab SB to my buddy so we are both enjoying. I really wasn't looking for a new truck (no problem with my Chevy) but I made the mistake of investigating the noise being made about this Tundra. Had to have it. I have about 600 miles on the truck now and am looking forward to my first out of town trip the 31st. Keep on sharing. :)
  • crazycanuck4crazycanuck4 Member Posts: 17
    You are not alone. There are quite a few DC on order from Kingston Dealership. The Pyrite is going to be a real popular colour. I saw a silver Crew Max in there the other day, many contractor friends I have are waiting to get to test drive the CM, they are really impressed with the DC but want the larger interior.

    I have not towed much of a load yet but I have had the max load in the box, drywall, the truck handled the load with ease. I definetly noticed a difference when i engaged the tow haul feature. Starts were very smooth and responsive.

    One full month of driving and I am in for my first oil change 5000 miles is the recommended as everyone has stated. Mileage is also getting much better - 17 mpg average and dropping.
  • beanctrbeanctr Member Posts: 99
    Rented a DC Limited 5.7 4wd for the past three days (drove over 500 miles) and came away impressed. This certainly is a much bigger vehicle than the one it replaces. Here's some random observations based on my short stint with the Tundra:

    -Safety Equipment standard. Bravo to Toyota for making all the safety equipment standard. This alone would make me buy this vehicle over the competition.

    -Excellent turning radius for such a large vehicle. I came away surprised the first time I did a u-turn.

    -Very tall vehicle. Even for me at 6'3" and long arms, it was tough to wash the windshield. Also, felt like I could almost look big rig drivers in the eye from their seating position.

    -Major Power. It won't leave you wanting for power. The 5.7 is monster. Wow!!!!

    -Smooth Transmission. Drove it over 500 miles in the Sierra Nevada mountains and it always was in the right gear. It did; however, have some rough shifts initially after sitting over night. It quickly disappeared once it warmed up. The automatic transmission shift lever was perfectly placed for the right hand.

    -Interior Quality ok. The top glove box (there are two) was rather flimsy and unbecoming of a $43,000 truck. Interior door handles didn't inspire ruggedness either.

    -Fuel Economy good. Average 19.5 miles to the gallon while driving in the mountains. I expected worse due to the large engine and weight of the vehicle. Averaged just over 18MPG in 90% highway/10% city driving in the valley.

    -Sonar slow to act - Although I didn't depend on the sonar, I did notice there was a definite delay when alerting you to an object. Despite this, I still appreciated the feature.

    -Expensive. List price for the Limited I drove was $43,000. It did have all the bells and whistles on it (navigation, backup camera, leather, etc), but I still thought it was pricy for what you are getting.

    Overall a very nice rig.
  • emaleemale Member Posts: 1,380
    beware or early 5.7l tundras. according to automotive news (paid site) some early 5.7l engines have bad camshafts. there have been about 20 failures so far. toyota is doing the right thing and giving owners of failed engines...brand new engines. toyota says it was a metallurgy issue and that the problem has been fixed.
  • rshollandrsholland Member Posts: 19,788
  • subjectivesubjective Member Posts: 62
    I have an interest in a new 07 Tundra 5.7 but in viewing a drawing of this 5.7 engine, it appears to use a rubber drive belt to drive the four camshafts. I do not like timing belts and remember nightmare issues with a Porsche 928S4 drivebelt driven four camshaft engine where the belt tension had to be adjusted frequently. Is this going to be an issue with the new 5.7 engine? Also I wonder what it will cost to replace this belt and after how many miles of use.
  • kdhspyderkdhspyder Member Posts: 7,160
    No that's an error in the picture. It's been discussed over and over since it was first published. That picture is actually the 4.7L V8. The 5.7L has a chain. I've seen it. Rest assured.
  • brad3507brad3507 Member Posts: 2
    my dad has a '05 tundra and i have driven it countless number of times and i love it, it has the 4.7 liter in it and we pull a good amount of weight (about 3500lbs) with it and it does pretty good. i went and drove a new 4x2 5.7 liter yesterday and i am amazed how much different and better the new model is. these trucks are truly amazing. if you are considering any other truck i would suggest go and give the tundra a good look, you will be amazed, i was. :)
  • mfhallmfhall Member Posts: 22
    700 miles. No complaints here. This 5.7 DC Limited is a rocket on wheels!
  • bigkenbigken Member Posts: 7
    I took delivery of my slate metallic DC 5.7 SR5 last night. I drove about 50 miles to get home, obviously the long route. I love the sound of the trd dual exhaust. I was disapointed because I was told the 20 inch wheels are not available unless you get the limited. This thing will get up and GO.
  • trucktrickstrucktricks Member Posts: 45
    Well 28 inches is not a very big trailer, so I would guess the Tundra could handle it. Are you racing a 1/2 scale go-cart? :)

    Seriously, beware of the tow ratings that manufacturers claim. There is no 'standard' like SAE that dictates how they arrive at the rating. It is mostly done by the "pick-a-number" method.

    There is no substitution for mass up front. To maintain control of the rig during hard braking, evasive maneuvers, etc. you need mass and lots of it up front.

    Beating you buddy away from the stop light is one thing. Having a controllable rig from all aspects is an entirely different story.
  • awwyattawwyatt Member Posts: 1
    YOU OBVIOUSLY DO NOT KNOW WHAT YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT. And since you have never owned a truck before, it just confirms it. You cannot trust everything you read on complaint websites. Chevy guys will bash Ford trucks and vise versa. Half of the articles you read are probably written falsely. I recently traded in a 2005 Toyota Tacoma for a 2005 Ford F-150. I had 5 waranty claims and 11 visits to the shop with the Toyota. At 37,000 miles, the air conditioner went out and I was faced with a $2,000 repair. Toyota would not help out at all with this situation. I was averaging 1.5 visits to the shop in between oil changes. That Tacoma was the first Japanese vehicle that I have ever owned, and it will be the last. It was, in fact, the worst vehicle that I have ever owned. I hope Toyota gets the new Tundra right, but I am betting against it. I know that Ford is still making 4-speed transmissions, but they have been making them since the beginning of time and you can bet that they are rock solid. This is Toyota's first shot at making 6-speeds and there is no telling what you might get. Also, the Ford F-150 has been the best selling truck for 30 years running and there's a reason for that. I hope you get what you want, but be careful with new redesigned models.
  • drfilldrfill Member Posts: 2,484
    I work at Tejas Toyota here in Houston, so if anyone needs the hook-up, let me no. ;)

    We have plenty of SR5s with "Dubs"! :shades:

    DrFill
  • beltboybeltboy Member Posts: 9
    I read a few posts on this, but will some new people post what their gas mileage is. I have a 2005 double cab (now called a crew) 4x4, with TRD,and i get about 14 mpg. i am interested to know if the 5.7 crew with TRD is actually getting the same. I find it hard to believe, given the additional weight and larger engine.
    :confuse:

    Thx
  • beltboybeltboy Member Posts: 9
    I am on my 3rd Toyota truck, and I never change before 5K! Unless you live in the desert I doubt you need to do it sooner!
  • wolfkillrwolfkillr Member Posts: 8
    I have a limited 5.7 4x4 D.C. with only 650 miles on it, and it has all been all around town so far,and i average 14.3.I bought my truck 4-weeks ago, and now there are four other 07 tundras on my block.Here in Idaho where i live i have 3-dealers and i was able to get 4,000 of M.S.R.P.. The guy across the street bought a crewmax 4X4 5.7 and pulls a 28ft. Airstream, that weighs 8700 lbs.He loves the way it pulls, and says the 6-speed with tow-haul is a nice feature.One thing i have found, is when i go anywhere, there have been quit a few instances when people give me the 20-questions about the truck. After i try an answer them, i tell them to go and drive all the different brands and then drive the 5.7.....
  • beltboybeltboy Member Posts: 9
    Any thoughts on how to convince my wife I need a new Tundra. I got one 2 years ago, and it is in perfect shape.
    I just want the new one, b/c everything about it is badass!

    I will probably need new tires in a few months, and I do have small crack in the windshield, other than that I am having trouble coming up with ways to convince her.
  • wolfkillrwolfkillr Member Posts: 8
    Pay someone to steel it!!!! Or just simply let her drive the 07....
  • rshollandrsholland Member Posts: 19,788
    It's already "steel." :)

    Bob
  • ltundraltundra Member Posts: 4
    I got the 5.7L Tundra and tow about 8K pounds about 500 miles from Fl to GA without any problem.
  • cbuellgocbuellgo Member Posts: 12
    I had a average of 13.5 for 1k that included a fathfull 500 break in at varing speeds no cruse accept to confirm it worked, and from then on to tow only. I did take a test cruise mixed highway and city 200 mile trip for 18.4 and my shoe is a big 13, Passing gear? witch one I have four of them!!!!!!!!!
  • KCRamKCRam Member Posts: 3,516
    ...and it is not going to return. This discussion is for owners and those interested in the 07 Tundra. It is not for those who wish to bash the truck or Toyota. Those arguments are off-topic here and will be deleted. Got it?

    kcram - Pickups Host
  • poncho167poncho167 Member Posts: 1,178
    What no broken cams on these over-rated trucks.
  • drfilldrfill Member Posts: 2,484
    Until you drive one, which you haven't.

    DrFill
  • bigkenbigken Member Posts: 7
    I Just filled up my 5.7 D.C. for the first time and averaged 16.7.. I have a heavy right foot so I Am pleased.

    Just hooked up my travel trailer (28foot) and set the hitch(Weight dist. bars and etc. It didn't even feel like it was on back. Just a short run, I will post after our long haul next week end. :)
  • vortecmaxvortecmax Member Posts: 5
    I drove one, quite a while actually. I was not impressed overall. Yeah, it had lots of power, but they all do. I think it is WAY overrated. I felt like it was a toy the way the chincy interior was all silver and Trekky looking and very poor ergonomics, even the door handle felt chincy. I left with the distinct impression that Toyota thinks a great engine/drivetrain is all it takes to make a great pick-up. I chose the GMC and haven't looked back since. It is a far superior truck.
  • ggesqggesq Member Posts: 701
    yet once again... :sick:

    This is a owner's forum.
  • neff2kneff2k Member Posts: 5
    Picked up my Salsa Red DC Limited 5.7 4x4 on Saturday. This thing is a dream on wheels. Took two months to get, but worth every minute of the wait. There is so much storage in this truck. They have made use of every nook and crany. Personally I think the interior is incredible. Love the layout.

    For those looking to order, here are some things I have noticed:

    If you are wanting the review camera I would strongly suggest going with the NAV since the screen would be bigger. The screen that you get with the backup camera is very small and awkward to view. It is better than guessing when hitching up or backing up against objects behind you. But again awkward to view.

    Remote start is kind of strange. When you unlock the doors to get in the engine shuts off. Doesn't matter if you use the remote or keys, it shuts off. Seems it is designed this way for safety. Have verified this is the typical operation from other owners on the TS forum.

    When ordering accessories, you can save some big bucks buying them from internet sites vs having them ordered with the truck. Bought quite a few and probably saved about $500.

    Gas gauge takes a little getting use to. It read half a tank today, so I decided to fill it up to see what 1/2 really is. Filled up with 8.8 gallons. Tank is a 26 gallon tank.

    For those looking at possibly purchasing one, do yourself a favor and don't listen to the trolls who are trying to destroy this trucks reputation. Go out and test drive one yourself. There are going to be people who don't like these trucks as much as others and there is nothing wrong with that at all. My last truck was a F-350 Powerstroke Dually, still love those trucks. We no longer have a need for the Superduty. This truck is a completely different type of beast for me. Rides smoother than my wifes Camry, and I think more comfortable. Power, fast... Still only have 125 miles on this truck, so I haven't stomped on it yet. I did make sure to stomp on it on their demo unit.

    So add another extremely satisfied owner to the list.
  • anythngbutgmanythngbutgm Member Posts: 4,277
    Congrats man. Looks like you did your homework beofre buying, kudos. BTW, Toyota's remote starter function is like that on all models offered with it. When we looked at the RAV4 a few weeks ago, the system worked the same way. There is probably a workaround for it, but I have no idea what that could be.

    As a Ford guy myself, I still believe that Ford trucks are the still best in the industry, but in the 1/2 ton class, the Tundra clearly has the edge. I'm hoping the 2009 F-150 will be something special, either a larger Triton motor putting down roughly 400hp and even better a Diesel, something not found in that class.

    But congrats on the Tundra, fantastic trucks.
  • usvet92usvet92 Member Posts: 19
    A BIG CONGRATS TO YOU!! I'm sure you'll love your's as much as I do mine. I have a 5.7 DC 4x4. I absolutely love every minute of driving it. So much power. I've also recently towed my 19ft Puma travel trailer and it did it with ease. I actually had to be mindful of my speed when going up hill!! I have a question for you. Where is the best site on the internet you've found to buy accessories for your tundra? Thanks
  • abac1abac1 Member Posts: 19
    I also picked up my 5.7, 4x4 in desert sand this week. I have not got to drive it much yet but I am wanting to plan a trip just to drive the truck. :)
  • drfilldrfill Member Posts: 2,484
    Rumor has it Toyota may offer a diesel to surplant the aging 4.7 by 2010, and Dodge is expected to have a mini-Cummins available by 2010.

    My question is: Where do we get to the point of diminishing returns on 1/2 ton engine power?

    Only so much power can be used in an unloaded truck. And with the price of gas at $3 several months out of the year, how much power is going to be too much?

    DrFill
  • bugchuckerbugchucker Member Posts: 118
    This is the exact vehicle I bought. Of course, I didn't pay 43K but it was worth every penny.
  • cleanerprocleanerpro Member Posts: 4
    Appeal to security. The New Tundra has loads of safety features, air bags, traction control etc. It is a safer truck than your current one. Let her know she is your most precious cargo.
  • doubleteamdoubleteam Member Posts: 4
    have truck 10 days,very happy with truck.ride a little bumpy over La.concrete roads.any tire pressure suggestions to smooth out ride,on black top smooth all ready.
  • edge45edge45 Member Posts: 6
    DT, had same issue. identical. do not waste your time with tire pressure and such, as I did that already. Went to the dealer 4 times as they attempted to analyze the issue. Finally, (and i have it in writing in a service ticket), > the factory is aware of the problem and working on a fix. they will not issue a recall, or notify owners, you must ask for it when ever you are at the dealer. As far as I know, there is no fix yet. The problem is more intense in the DC's 5.7, due to higher payload and tow capacity, thus, the stiff suspension can not compensate for the small ripples in the concrete roads. The crew cabs are not as bad, because the weight of the big cab sort of compensates for a small load. good luck, and enjoy the truck, it is indeed a great ride.
  • michaeldejesusmichaeldejesus Member Posts: 1
    Well after a lot of thought and research we purchased a 2007 Tundra Double Cable SR5 with the 5.7L engine. This truck is absolutely fantastic.
    We were definitely heading toward a Ford. I had owned a '97 F150 years ago and we were thinking F250 for its towing capability.
    We then went to a horse show in Sacramento to look at horse trailers when we noticed a Tundra demo. The Toyota rep offered us two test drives, one without a trailer on a course they had set up in one of the parking lots and another with the Tundra attached to a huge trailer. We ended up trying both demos and after that we were convinced that the Toyota had to get on our short list of trucks.

    Right after the show we immediately went to a Ford dealer to try the new F250 and we both came away convinced that the Tundra was the right truck for us. The F250 certainly was capable but there was so much about the Tundra that we liked.

    1) The Tundra has electronic stability control and more standard safety features that any domestic 1/2 ton or 3/4 ton for that matter. That is a huge plus in my mind since trucks are so prone to rollover. The big 3 have a long way to catch up in this regard.

    2) The 6-speed tranny. How can GM still have a 4sp on its new Silverado? What was GM thinking? I know they are going to have 6 speeds later, but that's ridiculous.

    3) The 381 HP and over 400lb/foot torque. Nothing else can compare.

    I find some of the forum talk and some of the reviews laughable. Motor Trends review and comparison to the Silverado was particularly amusing. MT likes the Silverado better, but there's no mention of the safety advantage. They also seem to gloss over the 4sp tranny and the lower horsepower and torque.

    Hey I know it's hard to accept that a Japanese company made a better pickup, but in the end isn't competition better for the consumer? Ford, Dodge, and GM are going to respond with better trucks because of Toyota.

    In the meantime, I'm going to enjoy driving the Tundra. Without a doubt it's the best pickup out there, bar none.
  • tim58tim58 Member Posts: 1
    I bought a 5.7L, DC, 4X4 TRD Tundra back in February and recently passed 5000 miles and first oil change. I have had no problems with the vehicle and love it.

    Some notes/experiences:

    -got crappy mileage the first 1500-2000 miles. Been averaging 16.5-17 mpg the last 3000 miles

    -i live on a dirt road on a small mountain and have been very impressed with both the on road and off road handling, including a period where the dirt road was washed out after some heavy spring rains. While the ride is stiffer than the vehicle it replaced (a Land Rover), I prefer the Tundra on and off road.

    -used lo-4 a few times, once for real when I pulled a pickup out of ditch. No problem.

    -the brakes are awesome! I've been impressed with the brakes on this vehicle all along, but they saved my butt last month when a van, 2 vehicles ahead of me, suddenly hits the brakes to make a U-turn on a 4 lane highway with no turning lane and in heavy traffic! The truck in front of me smaked into the van, but I was able to stop and not take part in the crash fest. Damn good brakes.

    -the bottom of the back door got pushed in from some hit-and-run clown in a parking lot, on the 3rd day of ownership, no less! The next day I added foot rails figuring that if this happens again, the other vehicle will be dented as well.

    -love the bed liner insert and optional moveable tie downs.

    Dissappointments

    -radio sucks. But I knew that before purchasing the truck, just ran out of $ before I could install a 3rd party stereo. Actually every Toy radio I've heard including the high end ones on Ltd models stink for sound quality, but this is a minor price to pay in my mind.

    -mileage. This is only a dissappointment because I was hoping for better than the EPA ratings. The two other Toys I've owned (the original P/U and current 4-Runner) each got mileage in the low 20's, even though their upper ratings where below 20 mpg. The Tundra, on the other hand is getting what the EPA said to expect.

    All-in-all, I am really happy with my purchase and look forward to driving it each day.
  • jcoukosjcoukos Member Posts: 8
    DC 5.7 LTD 4x4 Timberland / Tan

    Just took delivery, babying it until breakin period is done. Got 20+ hwy at 65 mph, 18 thru the city w/ air on. Tac was at roughy 1700 at 65mph in 6th gear. Figured out that the 5.7 weighs 50lbs more than the 4.7 set up, has the 4.3 rear end, 6 spd tranny and twin VVT-i engine so not surprised it's very efficient.

    I can only describe the ride as phenominal, smooth, quiet, gauges are all layed out beautifully. Stereo (JBL) is absolutely kickin', nice with the AUX input (i-pod). Seats are very comfie.

    Traded in an '05 Tacoma 4x4 6-spd V6 which got 18 mpg, can't believe this thing is better and such a more refined driving machine.

    When my sales mgr called and told me about the $3500 rebate I was in the showroom in a flash, not looking back!
  • hvan3hvan3 Member Posts: 630
    I currently own an 05 Tundra DC SR5. I can't wait to replace it with the 07 Tundra Crew Max. If I was to get one, I think getting the 4.7L is plenty for me. There's no reason why I should spend more money on the 5.7L.

    What i hate about the 07 Tundra DC is the lack of rear window rolldown. This feature was the main reason why I bought the 05 DC. Furthermore, why do we even need an extended side view mirrors. Those mirrors are too BIG!!! What percentage of this world tows anything more than 3 times a year? A normal size side mirrors are plenty!

    I noticed that the 07 Tundra has MORE plastics all around. It reminds me of the time I was shopping for a Titan. Plastic everywhere!! On the same note, the view of the truck bed is very SIMILAR to the Titan Crew Cab. Copy cat?
  • crazycanuck4crazycanuck4 Member Posts: 17
    I too owned an earlier model (03 Access limited 4x4 with the 4.7L setup). I also questioned whether it was worth the extra money to step up to the 5.7L. To me the 4.7 was a very smooth engine with acceptable power (at the time) but if you intend to re-sell after several years I believe you will get the best return on your money by moving to the 5.7L. The extra size and weight will definetly reduce the 4.7's capabilities and the gas mileage will ultimately suffer which over the next few years will play out in the market place.

    I used to get 24 MPG with the old truck i don't think the same gas mileage can be expected in this new setup for the 4.7L.

    Having driven my DC 4x4 TRD for over 5000 miles to date I am glad I spent the additional money on the 5.7L The power is much more significant, the transmission is very smooth and the gas mileage average from the time of purchase is 18 MPG. My current gas mileage is edging close to 20 MPG. I literally drive all over Southern Ontario, on business, doing a lot of highway miles and in differing topography. The truck loves to travel.

    Overall the 5.7 is a much better setup and I think by the majority of guys on this forum the overwhelming setup appears to be the 5.7L with the TRD package.

    I think the window rolldown is more of a function of external aesthetics than internal function, besides you'll be driving and the kids will be in the back seat. They'll get used to it, mine have. The truck looks sweet. I agree with you on the mirrors though.

    More truck = more Plastic. Finally, pretty much all the trucks out there have a similar view into the truck bed.

    Just my opinion 'A'.
  • doubleteamdoubleteam Member Posts: 4
    dropped air pressure to 38psi 265/18" has helped some,but apreciate input.think will get better after more milage only 525 on truck.gas mil could be better but also truck will loosen up with use i beleive.
  • doubleteamdoubleteam Member Posts: 4
    rear window rolldown issue my dc windows in rear roll down all the way ,or do i misunderstand?
  • crazycanuck4crazycanuck4 Member Posts: 17
    y2kcrash,

    have you got your truck? Just wondering.
  • traveler6traveler6 Member Posts: 1
    I have a 5.7L, DC, 4X4 SR5 Tundra I bought in March. Still have only 2500 miles on it but I am not coming anywhere near the mpg I see everyone else is claimng to get and it has me concerned. Combined city/country the best has been 14 and interstate not quite 16 mpg. I tow a 28 ft Outback travel trailer which when loaded weighs about 8500 lbs. On two trips both 400 miles each I averaged 8-10 mpg on interstate roads 90% of the way. The truck had no problems at all hauling the load which included 3 kids, my wife, myself and our dog in the cab. I love the truck but thought I would do much better on gas milage. I even went to using 89 vs 87 octane gas to see if that would help but it didn't.
  • y2kcrashy2kcrash Member Posts: 13
    10th week and still waiting.
    I have hard time believing they don't seem to have a good idea of delivery this late in the game.
    They have 1 more week to meet their obligations.
    Then I will have to start considering other options.
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  • iqbaldhillon2iqbaldhillon2 Member Posts: 116
    I read an article about a week ago, about Toyota's new Texas plant, which is said to produce upto 200,000 Tundra's in 2007. People have had complaints that there Tundra's camshaft is either not working, or defective. No recall has been issued but they are likely to recall 50,000 Tundras.

    My truck has 15K miles now, still gas mileage seem's to improve.

    Best mileage: 25.5 MPG
    Worst mileage: 8.6 MPG
    Average: 18.8 MPG

    Seems to getting better every day. The fact that my Tundra hauled more than 1000 lbs the other day that impresses me, what impressed me more is that it gave 16.5 MPG average. ;)
  • kdhspyderkdhspyder Member Posts: 7,160
    Texas apparently has a capacity to make up to 200K units at full production with no additional investment. However they are just adding a 2nd shift this month and they haven't started makeing the CrewMax in TX yet, all these have come from Princeton. Thus there is no way that TX will approach 200K units in 2007. Especially in this market.

    Twenty, that's 20, vehicles have been identified as having defective camshafts.

    50,000 vehicles to be recalled? If that's the case then they will be recalling vehicles made last week.

    Summary: Just because it's in writing doesn't mean that it's accurate - or unbiased.
  • apptunapptun Member Posts: 18
    I am reading something wrong or I am doing something really wrong!I have an 02 Access (four door) and the very best mileage that I have ever achieved is 18 on the highway.24 would be great. It has had Mobil 1 since the first oil change and is tuned up on a regular basis. I would really like to achieve somewhere near 20 but I don't ever see it happening. I get about 8 mpg while pulling a horse trailer that weighs in at a little less than 6000 pounds. Thanks.
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