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Blue RTL, S/R - (My Ridgeline picture is on Honda Ridgeline Owners Club Forum Site)
Destination
Roof Rack
Running Boards
Automatic Day/Night Rearview Mirror
Carpet Floor Mats
Rear Mud Guards
Wheel Locks
Pin Stripes
Full Tank of Gas
One Free Oil Change
Total: $31352.00
Dealer Fee: $ 289.00
That's it!
(Landmark Honda, Alexandria, Va.) .
Am negotiating an RTL witout moonroof at invoice as of this moment. They only added $289 dealer fee, MD tags, and MD 5% tax. (plus accesories identical to the above for $1991 only). SWEET DEAL.
Nope, It's not going to happen, so stop banging your head against the wall. that's straight from honda corporate. They called me yesterday. your manual is misprinted. You can disable the auto lock feature though, then it's just like the old days.
I have an 04 Silverado Z71 (1500) extended cab short box w/5.3l V8. I drive roughly 20/80 highway city, ~62 miles round trip to and from work every day. My worst mileage since buying this truck was around 16.3 mpg, and my best (so far, with less than 9500 on the odo) is 19.5 mpg. Another coworker with a recently bought 99 GMC Sierra w/4.8l V8 is getting around 21 mpg on his commute to and from work (no exact details, but I haven't seen more than almost 22 posted for any Ridgeline owners here yet either).
So the Ridgeline doesn't sound like it's really doing any better than recent GM half-ton trucks in normal driving. Width is roughly the same, but the GM full-sizers get the larger box (about the same payload listed though- kudos Honda!) and quite a bit higher tow ratings. No AWD on anything but the SS (AWD going away for those soon too though) or the GMC Sierra Denali, but I have AutoTrac pushbutton 4x4 that includes an "auto" mode that automatically engages the fronts whenever slip occurs in the rear that's pretty close. Finally, admittedly there are a few options on the Ridgeline that can't be had on the full sized GMs right now, but loaded as close as possible to the RL, then knocking off incentives and some decent haggling with the dealership below MSRP gets quite a bit less $$ for the GM than the Hondas right now.
Not to knock anyone else's choice of the Ridgeline. If I wanted 7/8ths of a full-size truck (to fit it into my garage) with nearly the same hauling capabilities, less towing demands, and really wanted the more carlike ride and handling I'm sure the RL is the place to be right now. Then again, I could've kept an SUV (or the 2003 Trailblazer 4x4 I had) and rented a trailer for the rare towing / hauling needs and had completely enclosed passenger and cargo space for all other uses if I didn't need true truck capabilities.
A very BIG bit!
$2300 under MSRP includes dealer fee. I am paying $610 more for the hitch installed. OUCH!
Bob
Respectfully, what you say is completly wrong. You can't expect this board to try to elucidate this for you. There are volumes of info out there about this truck. Please access them before you post. By posting, you didn't inform anybody of anything, but only illustrated how much you don't know.
Moving on. I came out of the store the other day and there was one parked right next to mine! I haven't seen, but a few 05 Tacos either. I don't think it means anything. it takes awhile for a vehicle to proliferate. I see Elements everywhere now, but it took awhile.
It'll be interesting to read their thoughts.
I'm still waiting to see another one. But your comment reminds me in 1986 I bought a new Cherokee 2-door 4X4. For a while when another owner and I saw each other we'd give a nod or a thumbs up. Well 16 years and 221K miles plus another three years and more miles on my second one and they're as thick as flies.
As to Toyotas: I have seen exactly one 2005 Tacoma D-Cab Sport to date.
Offer a regular cab model with an 8' bed
This would share the same wheelbase as the current model. I think if you get rid of the "crew cab" part, there will be an additional 3' of space that could become enough space to make an 8' bed possible.
If Honda really wanted to get "trick" here, they could offer side rear doors to the pickup bed. GM showed this feature on a recent concept pickup, and it's a great idea. It would really separate Honda from all those other 8' bed trucks, and would be a great marketing feature, just like the in-bed trunk.
Offer a "Cargo Cab" model
This would be the current crew cab model, sans the rear seat. What I'd like to see here is that on the rear bulkhead, a plastic "peg board-like panel" run the full width. This panel would accept all easily purchased peg board attachments that you would find at your local hardware store, to hang tools, etc.
The rear floor would be absolutely flat (no indentation for seat support), and inside rear door panels would be flat with no arm rest or rear window switches. Rear door windows would be controlled from the driver's door, as they currently are.
Since there is no rear seat, and the rear door panels are greatly simplified, this model should cheaper than the crew cab model, perhaps by as much as as $2K, if not more.
I do not want to see an extended cab model!
There's no need for this model, especially one with (nearly) useless rear jump seats. Those who need rear seats will opt for the crew cab models. Those who want the extra space behind the rear seats—but who do not want/need the rear seats—will opt for the cargo cab model, or 8' bed model, described above.
Add a Ridgeline HD model
I mentioned this a while back, right after the Ridgeline first appeared, but I'm mentioning it again. This model will be offered in crew cab, cargo cab and regular 8' bed cab models. It will have the following features:
• 7K GVW.
It's interesting to note that the current Ridgeline's GVW (6K) falls roughly half way between the Tundra Double Cab (~6.5K GVW) and the Tacoma Double Cab (~5.5K GVW). That being the case, I can see a Ridgeline HD being a bit over over the current Tundra DC's GVW, at 7K.
• With the increase GVW comes increased payload. I'm guessing ~ 2K, depending on model configuration and trim level. The payload would not increase a full 1K, because the vehicle would need to be beefed up somewhat to handle the extra work capability. That means a higher curb weight.
Other items I would want to see on the HD model:
• 4.0L engine, with a 4.0L hybrid option.
• 6-speed automatic, with a lower first gear, and closer gear splits.
• Dual-range transfer case with a low range. This is a "must-have" feature for the HD, if for nothing more than bragging rights and "off-road cred."
• Standard full-size spare tire.
• Larger 265/65x17 tires, like those found on the Tundra.
• 6.5K towing. No, it's not the most in this class, but it's much better than the current 5K tow rating.
Offer a HD version of the Acura RL's SH-AWD
Better still, make it standard. There could be a rotary switch on the dash so that you could select the following drive modes:
• "E" for "economy." This would be an on-demand 4WD mode, just like the current RT4WD.
• "H" for "high." This would be a full-time mode, with a RWD power bias. It would operate much like SH-AWD operates on the Acura RL, in that it would shift the rear wheel power left-to-right as needed, and up to 70% of the power to the rear wheels.
• "L" for "low." See my comments in the HD model. I would like to see this on all Ridgelines, but if not (to keep costs down), at least offer it on the HD model.
• Center differential lock feature for those difficult driving situations. This would be similar to the current center differential lock button, but would not automatically cut off at 18 mph, and could be used in "Drive" too.
Bob
http://www.cardomain.com/memberpage/832268
PS: If you find this helpful the posted link was taken from an other member on an different board. Enjoy your Ridge.
But I do see this as Honda dipping it's toes in the water. I see the Ridgeline keeping it's suburban Dad image and mission. But if it does well, I do envision Honda coming out with a bigger, brawnier unit that could play with the big boys - kind of like how the T100 started. Perhaps a V8 in the next gen RL that will find it's way into the Ridgeline Max.
Baby steps Bob, baby steps.
Yeah, it's more work related, because ultimately Honda will have to move in that direction. That's what the "essence" of what a truck is about, right? That's assuming of course, that Honda wants to be taken seriously as a truckmaker at some point. The current model is great—and that is the first "baby step." Nowhere did I suggest them dropping the that model. I'm just building upon what they already have. My suggestions are merely the "second" baby step.
What Honda did with the first Ridgeline (v.1.0) is put out a vehicle with the maximum appeal in to current Honda car owners, who are looking for a truck. The Ridgeline is—as it stands—is 1/2 truck and 1/2 car, in terms of appeal. By that I mean it can easily double as a family vehicle. So they now have that market pretty well covered. The next logical step (to me) is to appeal to those who want more truck and less car—and that's what I've suggested—but staying with the existing platform. I've simply proposed Ridgeline v.1.1, or maybe v.1.5, but certainly not Ridgeline v.2.0, or v.3.0.
How do you see the Ridgeline lineup evolving?
Bob
Bob
Perhaps in 7 years we'd see a Honda Max - 2500/3500 work version. Perhaps by that time improvements in IS will make it viable for that type of duty.
I guess I read your suggestions of a short cab/full bed and dual cab/cargo version as being more work related - in essence more heavy duty and translating into taking the current Ridge into the HD sector.
I drove the quad cab size of each truck and the Frontier and Tacoma had the V6s. I actually found the Tacoma to be lacking in power, the engine seemed to struggle a little bit up hills and on the highway. The Frontier and the Ridgeline handled hills and highway speeds just fine. I wasn't a big fan of the Frontier's interior, it seemed kind of cheap to me and wasnt very ergonomic, but its engine definetly had plenty of power.
The Ridgeline had good power, good interior build, and innovative bed features (although it's missing the adjustable tie down rails). If it weren't so damn expensive I would definetly get the Ridgeline, but the price is holding me back.
Well you are correct in a sense, in that's where the Ridgeline is wide open for criticism. What I'm saying is keep the current model pretty much as is, but try to plug some of the existing marketing holes with some beefed up versions that would appeal more to those who love the current Ridgeline, but who need something just a bit more capable.
What they've got is great, but they need more versions to better appeal to a different and wider audience. One of the criticisms you constantly hear about Toyota—and especially the new Nissan Titan, is a lack of model choices available to customers. Honda is ripe for that sort of criticism too.
I know it won't happen overnight, and I'm not suggesting that it should, but offering more model variety should be at the very top of Honda Ridgeline product planner's "TO DO" list.
Bob
Even if they do build this great full size truck, I doubt they have the technology to penetrate the thick skulls of people that are loyal to the big 3 and resistant to change or any new ideas no matter how superior they are. If it hasn't been done before, it can't be done seems to be the mentality. It's really shocking how close minded people are when it comes to trucks.
There are signs this already occurring, as this recent article is stating that as many as 20% of future truck buyers in Texas(!) would now consider buying a Tundra or Titan. Five years ago that percentage wouldn't have even been a blip on the radar screen.
http://www.indystar.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20050420/BUSINESS/504200404/1003
Bob
It needs 24 mpg highway. Folks won't switch out of their GM/Ford faithfulness until there are serious economic advantages (eg fuel economy).
Note, it is definitely not cheap to take a Honda in for repair. Not saying that GM/Ford parts are cheap, but there tends to be a lot more aftermarket parts availability for these big sellers and that makes repair more affordable.
John
I'm not looking at fleet sales, but more at those who might opt for a Tundra, because it can do more.
Bob
'I hung Suzies ice skates on that hook, and since it is four wheel drive, I drove like the streets didn't have 3 inches of snow, and it somehow slid into the curb, and the skates flew off that hook and whacked little Suzie and I'm sueing Honda for millions and millions'.
Bob
I love the look of this truck, especially in steel blue and black. Just an FYI, marketing research shows polarizing design sells more than just another "also ran" design. I initially didn't care for the design in the first pics I saw, but I love it now. People flip over my truck when they see it in person. There are alot of trolls on the internet, and self proclaimed experts on design. A truck is to be used, not looked at. I wonder about people that stress over the way their trucks look. Makes me wonder if they really need a truck. Do they want to use it or make love to it. I've got a woman for that. This is the most discussed vehicle on the net right now. There are cults of people that love it and hate it. I'd say Honda hit the bulls eye. Most people that drive it, turn into converts quickly, and have read more than a few that have said that though they didn't care for the look, they bought it anyway as the positives far out weigh the one negative.
You can never use this sentence again with out lieing:
"but I've yet to hear positive feedback on the look of the truck." because I love the way my truck looks in all of it's steel blue glory.
The negative feedback I've heard regarding the Ridge's looks has far outweighed the positive. YRMV
I agree that a truck is supposed to be 'used', but have yet to know anyone who has bought a new one and not cared about the looks somewhat. I would guess that the majority of owners of the Ridge will keep them in pristine condition in their driveway. Nothing wrong with that. I'm not going to waste my time wondering if they needed a truck or not.
Never intended to proclaim being a design expert. I too think Honda hit a homer with this truck...just over the wall. I just believe that a better looking package would have made it an upper deck shot that would appeal to a wider audience. Even if that package is considered 'also ran', more mainstream, conservative, whatever.
I would have agreed with this comment a couple of months ago, but when I saw it, all concerns about the styling melted away, not only because I think it looks much better in person than in photos, but it's styling quickly recedes in the wake of all it's features that can't be had on the Taco or any other truck. Enjoy your Ridgeline. I can tell your gonna get one.
Please consider the source. I've owned my Ridgeline since March 2 and the feedback I've heard has all been "wow, what a beautiful truck!" Granted, a lot of this is from friends and family, although most of them have never been shy to criticize either. But I also get tons of people that I never would have met making these comments, people who want to see more of my truck, people literally running out of their shops or stopping at the gas station to take another look.
The negative remarks you see here are from jealous owners of other trucks who either can't afford the Ridge or can't comprehend what it's about.
ps. I don't understand why it would look ugly to someone. It's a great looking truck! I love to look at it! This is my own opinion, and it has been supported more often than not in real life!!!
Doubt it can be done. Not without completely redesigning the unibody portion of the frame. Those flying buttress C pillars on the Ridgeline are there for a reason. Without them, Honda felt that the chassis wasn't stiff enough. Without a stiff chassis, the suspension can't do it's job of providing superior handling and ride. Without the enhanced handling and ride, why not just build a typical ladder and frame truck?
Offer a "Cargo Cab" model
Interesting notion. I think it might just be easier make a rear seat which can be removed. Then sell cargo organizers through the dealer network. I'm thinking something modular that can be added or removed as needed.
I do not want to see an extended cab model!
The truck needs that C pillar and cab for rigidity. I've suggested an extended cab in the past, not because people want a small backseat, but because it might allow for a 6.5 ft bed. That combined with the bed extender and 300 lbs capacity tailgate would allow for 4x8s in the back. A shorter cab with a modest bed increase seems more plausible for the Ridgeline than eliminating the cab entirely.
Have I finally gone off the deep end? :surprise:
By the way, the total Taco sales are down 7% for the year. Can't compare Ridgeline, but obviously taking business. Frontier sales are still way up for the year, but seem to have slowed this month. Obviously the Taco isn't the homerun all the people on the web make it out to be.
Quick question for the owners, how are the blind spots? The C pillar looks big, wondered what visability is like?
Bob
Quick question for the owners, how are the blind spots? The C pillar looks big, wondered what visability is like?
I don't have any more problem with visibility with the RL than I've had with any other vehicle. The side mirrors are pretty good.
Yes, but no rear seat and simplified rear door trim is cheaper to build (and to purchase). Some folks may not have any need for rear seats (singles, empty nesters, etc.), so why should they have to pay for them?
Bob
Regarding the blind spots, I think there is an adjustment period when driving any new vehicle and I have been extra careful, looking twice to make sure nobody is next to me. But I feel pretty good about using the side mirrors and just keeping track of who's around me. The biggest blind spot would have to be directly behind when backing out of spots. Just have to go slow and check all the mirrors.
My CHP friend has always said, "just don't get in a hurry. That's when bad things happen!"
If the C pillar is critical for rigidity, what about modifying it into some sort of "rack" such that the pillar has the dual purpose of rigidity and additional payload carrying. - xwesx
Interesting idea. The Subaru Baja has chrome bars in that location. Wonder if they're in place for the same reason. Of course, the back wall of the cab also lends some support, but there might be a way around that using extra cross members in the frame.
"By the way, the total Taco sales are down 7% for the year. Can't compare Ridgeline, but obviously taking business. Frontier sales are still way up for the year, but seem to have slowed this month." - Centralcal
I doubt the Ridgeline will ever put a big dent in the truck market from a sales perspective. As Bob noted earlier, the Ridgeline is a good crew cab truck, but there's more to the market than just crew cabs. He and I agree that the Ridgeline is a niche player, but the features it offers will likely shake up the market a little bit.
A friend, when he heard from the wife about wanting one said 'Several companies have tried to make an uglier truck than the Chevy Avalance, and Honda has finally done it'. I would not go that far, but the front end looks like the Dodge boys helped design it. The inside door handles and knobs really don't need to be eye-catching chrome.....
View backwards - It's not very good. But I usually drive a Ranger with a topper on it, and the Ridgeline does have more visibility than the Ranger...
There are 2 of us in the family, and we have 3 vehicles.
The Ridgeline could really replace all three of them. It can haul more than my Ranger, especially since the Ranger has a topper. For the times we need to carry 4 people, it can do this, and since it would be new, it would be reliable, replacing the Accord. It drives very nicely, like an automobile, the wife likes it, so it could replace her Cadillac (which I am not in love with either). It has available 4 wheel drive for the 2-3 times a year it might be useful. (Now I just stay home on these days.)
If the milage was better, I probably would herd all 3 of the family cars down to the Honda dealer and trade them in. But what I will guess as 18-19mpg on the road at 75mph with AC going doesn't sound very good. Especially since you are going to be seeing $3.00/gallon regular next year. Maybe at the end of this year.
Only the Ranger gets worse milage. The Caddy will get 25-27.5, the Accord will sometimes get 26, and don't ask about the Ranger....
The local dealer is going $2,500 under sticker. Soon he will be at the $319 over invoice he does on all the other Hondas.
Wow, sounds like a great deal at your local dealer. Where the heck is that? I want to know for my next vehicle!
I replaced my old truck and my 98 Civic with the Ridgeline. Savings on insurance and registration make up for the add'l on the new truck, and I have the vehicle I really want. The way I look at it, I saved on gas my whole life, especially with the Civic HX and CRX before that. Now I'm gonna splurge a little...(or a lot?? We'll see.) Besides, I still have the motorcycle for my commute on nice days. That's really the only way to go around here, as long as you're careful. Beats sitting in traffic. My wife drives a Camry that gets 30mpg. This summer we're taking a long trip in the Ridgeline and another in the Camry.
The Ridgeline is a very versatile vehicle. That's its greatest strength, and that's what it was designed for.
BTW, after a couple days you get used to the little things like the door handles and chrome looking stuff. And it's funny how many people actually end up really liking those big handles!
Bob