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In my 2000 Odyssey, the headunit was a Panasonic and the speakers were "crap". The headunit remains, the speakers long changed out for some Sony Xplods.
Dennis
- New rear end styling with LED tailights (very nice)
- Moonroof
- Avail in Redondo Red and Navy Blue
- Side mirror turn indicators.
- New longer warranty (all 06 Accords)
A quick check of the specs shows not a lot of difference:
The 2006 is a bit longer - 191.1 vs 189.5 for the 2005
It is heavier by 88 pounds 3589 vs 3501
Front and rear headroom is less due to the moonroof 38.3/36.8 vs 40.4/38.5 on the 05
And the horsepower is 253 versus 255
Everything else looks almost identical from a specification standpoint.
What is the new warranty period? 4/48k, 4/50k, or what?
Thanks,
Dennis
The brochure is mum on the spare tire situation. I'll ask my salesman when I next talk to him.
I was going by the salesman's word on the warranty. The brochure still states 3yr/36K vehicle and 5yr/60k for powertrain, so that increase hasn't been documented yet. ANyone else heard anything on that front?
I just picked up a HAH w/ NAV and am still basking in new-car glow.
--aaron
I had the XM, but found I like listening more to local talk shows and news and didn't fell it was worth $13 a month to continue.
cruis'n in 6th :shades: ,
MidCow
I wanted the moonroof, navy blue color and side mirror turn indicators. I bought my HAH in June.
Aaaarrgh!!
Dan
As far as the moonroof is concerned don't dispair. Webasto (Germany) makes sunroofs of excellent quality and I plan to install one in my 05 HAH this month.
The cost is around $1200 and I have had one in a earlier car (95 Camry) and it was very well made, reliable and makes for a clean install which was very close to OEM. It is an OEM unit for many German makes.
The web site is below and I believe you can get an over the roof or in the roof install. I am going for the in roof install since the loss of about 2" of head room is the same as with the Honda roof. Many custom installers use this roof and you can usually find one near you.
http://www.webasto.us/am/en/am_auto_sunroofs.html
Good luck.
Just wondering if it might also work in other Hondas including the Honda Accord 05 hybrid.
Hope you allowme to piggyback on info you get. Am in deep research for pricing for 2006 Accord Hybrid. Need help.
hybrid4
Absolutely. In fact, I'll give my salesman a call today and see if he has any new information. I'll keep you posted.
Thanks,
hybrid4
I don't really have that much to share. We wrote up the order as "MSRP". That's why I was going to call my salesman and check to see if he had an update on the price. I wasn't able to squeeze that in yesterday, but will try and catch him today. I will certainly share any quote information that I get as soon as I get it. Thanks.
Dan
Note: My understanding is that the Accord Hybrids are manufactured in Japan and thus require a pretty substantial amount of time to ship overseas.
I have sat in both. Too bad the Accord has such poor headroom. I really don't see the comparison. The Accord seems cramped compared to the E320 CDI. The Accord Hybrid can be replaced with equal mileage by the much less expensive Accord EX with NAV. To top it off the rear end of the accord is quite ugly. Honda screwed up with this version of their flagship. They were better off with the last version. Sales have proved what I am saying. By contrast the E320 CDI has far exceeded MB sales expectations. From what I have read the diesel is only a $900 hit over the slower gas version. And you get 10 more miles to the gallon out on the highway. You are not going to suggest the Accord will handle, brake & ride as well as the Mercedes, are you? I would hope not.
If the AH has poor headroom, you wouldn’t fit in the EX as its sunroof takes out ~ 2” vs. the AH. I own the non-hybrid EX-L w/ NAVI and it has plenty of headroom for my 6’-1” frame? The AH has the larger interior of the two and especially over the E320 as posted. Not included in the above was the AH’s higher test crash ratings vs. the E320. In regards to FE, the EX I4 does not have the equivalent FE of the AH. I know as I drove a friends AH for 7 days through 1.5 tanks. It would hit 55 mpg on just about every highway segment after 45 miles whereas my I4 just doesn’t quite hit that level nearly as often
By contrast the E320 CDI has far exceeded MB sales expectations.
What was MB sales expectations and was it a hit?
http://www.roadandtravel.com/roadtests/reviews/2005roadtests/newcarreviews/mercedesbenze32- 0cdi.htm
Mercedes plans to make only 3,000 of the CDIs available this year.
http://www.king5.com/sharedcontent/northwest/drivingnw/stories/NW_100904DRNW_EL.11f49cbd.h- tmlMercedes is bringing only 4,000 of these into the U.S.
___According to info gathered from Hondanews as shown over at TOV, the 05 AH has been delivered to 11,651 customers as of August 31 YTD.
http://www.vtec.net/news/news-item?news_item_id=398737
You are not going to suggest the Accord will handle, brake & ride as well as the Mercedes, are you?
I know the AH is quieter in the city and maybe even while at highway speeds according to (2) E320D reviews I have read talking about excess wind noise while driving one? I can provide you with the braking and handling (skid pad) numbers for the AH but that is about as far as I can go. Do you really think the MB 320D brakes, rides, and handles as well as the AH? Personally, I cannot wait to find out
Good Luck
Wayne R. Gerdes
That is what Honda would have you believe. They are not through replacing automatic transmissions. The same slightly modified for the HAH transmission. And we do agree the EX is a smarter choice and more apt to be bullet proof with their very good manual transmission. Not to mention the $7500 hit for the hybrid over the above mentioned EX with NAV. That has all been hashed before. I still don't see how the Mercedes fits into the picture. It is like comparing the Camry to a Lexus. Lexus owners are not interested in a Camry. Lexus & Mercedes simply have more prestige. And you pay for that.
I also agree on the PZEV based I4 EX-L w/ NAVI over the AH too but when you consider the FE and performance of the E320D as its savior, you should also consider the FE and performance of the AH as its savior also. Both have their niches but the AH can and does deliver in the real world while at the same time maintaining the performance, cleanliness, safety, and luxury at a cost far below anything MB can hope to offer including the E320D. IIRC, CR’s or maybe it was ConsumerDigest scored the AH higher then any other automobile they had ever tested! When I saw heated seats, 6-disc CD, and Sirius as an option on a $52,000 MB diesel automobile, I could not help but think someone is getting severely fleeced but that is just me. This is not an apple to oranges comparison. The AH by comparison to the MB E320D is larger, faster, cleaner, safer, probably handles better, is quieter in the city, includes some major items as std., and is far less expensive. Are you paying $20,000 more for a wood dash inlay, higher quality leather surfaces, and the Star on the hood or $20,000 less for a higher quality automobile with all of the positive attributes listed above? If I were a MB dealership, I would be screaming at corporate to give me everything they have got as std. because that huge $ delta for a lesser car is one tough side by side to have to compare too imho.
Good Luck
Wayne R. Gerdes
Is it such a mystery that a Mercedes costs more than a Honda? Probably won't be able to find any news items on that one. ("Flash! Mercedes E Class costs more than Accord Hybrid!") If you want to pay Mercedes-like prices for a Honda, there's Acura.
So CR’s rated the AH as their best family sedan and Consumer Digest rated it as their highest scoring automobile ever. To each his own but I would say that was not a bad start for a performance hybrid
If you were to choose the Acura, the TL w/ NAVI can be picked up for ~ $32K which is also about $20,000 less then the MB 320D
MB definitely costs $20K more then the Honda and the question then is the MB 320D worth $20K more then the Honda Accord Hybrid? Is it worth even $100.00 more then the AH given the above?
Good Luck
Wayne R. Gerdes
It would be to me. I don't like the Accord. I would buy a boring Camry before an Accord. They have suitable head room. I hope you don't get a crick in your neck from bending down to see out the windshield. You should drive an E320 CDI. I'll bet you could get an easy 1000 miles on a tank of diesel.
I have been saying all along that the hybrid numbers are funny. They are based on flat track driving. Not real world driving. When you add hills, the mileage goes WAY down because you are dragging around an extra motor and battery pack. This recent cross country test: Green Car Congress: Diesel Bests Hybrid in Cross-Country Fuel Consumption Test shows that a diesel SUV was 10% better mileage than the hybrid. Further proof of my assumption that in heavier vehicles the diesel, especially biodiesel, will be MUCH better than a hybrid. Go Mercedes!
http://www.greencarcongress.com/2005/08/diesel_bests_hy.html
The ML320 CDI bested the RX400h on a crosscountry mileage run. I would imagine the E320 CDI would easily best the HAH on a similar journey.
Where are you coming up with this bend down stuff in an Accord? The Accord is the second best selling car sold in the states and nobody is bending down to see out the windshield. Unless they were 6’-8” or taller possibly? Maybe you had the electric seat height adjuster all the way up which caused you some discomfort? The power seats drop down a fair amount as well
As for the 1,000 mile tank, been there and done that in the regular PZEV Accord twice now. I would not need a $52,000 diesel to perform that little trick
Finally, did you see that the ML w/ the 320D’s CDI received just 25.6 mpg on that cross country trip? I sure hope the 320D receives better FE then that by a large margin in the real world because the AH receives that kind of FE at well beyond any legal limit we may encounter here in the US
Good Luck
Wayne R. Gerdes
I think the better Honda comparo to the E Class is the RL, which is much closer in price to the E Class.
if it is absurd to buy a hybrid to save gas, since you will spend more on the hybrid than you are likely to spend in gas, then HOW can it make sense to spend ANOTHER 20K to save a little bit more gas? G: Your arguments are getting dumber and dumber.
Maybe the E320 is a better car than the AH. I am sure there are many reasons to choose one car over the other. Most of those reasons are subjective. But spending 20K to save a couple hundred bucks/year (if that) in gas is OBJECTIVELY idiotic.
Are you wanting to compare a 3800+lb SUV to the HAH? On the same trip with the same drivers the RX400h only got 23 MPG. We need to compare comparables here. I am saying the E320 CDI 4 door sedan in a crosscountry tour will outperform and get better mileage than the Accord Hybrid. If you take two vehicles of equal size and shape. One is gas hybrid the other is diesel. You will consistently get better mileage with the diesel. Especially on the highway at highway speeds of 75+ MPH.
To be a realistic comparison it should be the HAH vs the VW Passat TDI.
If the Accord seat were able to go lower I would think the salesman would have mentioned that, when I made a point of the lousy head room. This dealer was not allowing people to take the HAH for a test drive.
We need objective data on reliability. CR is not great, and JD Powers is almost worthless. Is Edmunds the best we've got? :confuse:
Do you make this stuff up as you go along? I in know way suggested that anyone should buy the E320 CDI to save on fuel. I made a comparison on mileage between a gas hybrid and a diesel. The article that started this debate, if you are following along, stated that diesel cars in the USA would reach 10% of the total sales before hybrids reached 10%. Xcel wanted to debate the attributes of the Mercedes vs the HAH. I was only obliging. I will agree with you it is dumb to spend more than you can save by buying any vehicle based on it's fuel consumption. That is exactly what people are doing buying hybrids. Oh I forgot it is to LOOK GREEN....
yes, there are manyt reasons to buy one car over another - looking gfreen is no less valid of a goal than looking sporty, looking outdoorsy, looking rich.
The HAH is going to have better emissions than an E320, I'd guess. Emissions/mile are more important to me than MPG, as I live in an area with marginal air quality. Gas is just a cost. Air quality is a real environmental issue. (Still, I'd like to have both good emissions and good mpg, of course. Throw in great performance, sitting for 5, high ground clearance, 4wd, towing capacity and a nice cockpit and we'd have a car that would sell a million units, eh?)
I think we are on the same page now. I have no illusions that the diesel car is as clean as the current hybrids. I also agree finding the perfect car for every use is illusive. I guess that is why we have 4 vehicles for two of us. I still find it hard to see the place for the HAH. They are not as clean as the SULEV II Accord. The HAH is ULEV II in CA. Not that great if being green is your reason for buying the HAH. No sunroof and you lose 25% of your trunk space.
Are you wanting to compare a 3800+lb SUV to the HAH?
Not at all. I am comparing the E320D’s CI-ICE to the AH’s SI-ICE though.
I am saying the E320 CDI 4 door sedan in a cross country tour will outperform and get better mileage than the Accord Hybrid.
I know the AH is worth 50 - 53 mpg in an 85% highway/15% city commute. I have yet to see anyone nail those kinds of numbers in an E320D although I would love to try sometime
One is gas hybrid the other is diesel. You will consistently get better mileage with the diesel. Especially on the highway at highway speeds of 75+ MPH.
See above and I don’t usually drive beyond the Illinois speed limits so I have a maximum of 65 mph. At that maximum speed and below, the AH runs in Eco or on 3-cylinders with the help of VCM. This is exactly why it receives the highway FE that it does. I have never seen an E320D pilot receive > 50 mpg consistently (actually never) but the AH can do that without much in the way of just driving it my experience.
To be a realistic comparison it should be the HAH vs. the VW Passat TDI.
The Passat is smaller and much slower then the E320D which is smaller and slower then the AH. As far as amenities, the AH and E320D compare quite well with one another actually. The Passat does not
If the Accord seat were able to go lower I would think the salesman would have mentioned that, when I made a point of the lousy head room. This dealer was not allowing people to take the HAH for a test drive.
I do not know how tall you are but if you have problems with headroom in the AH, you most certainly will not fit in a Camry XLE, Accord EX, or possibly an E320D w/ a sunroof either.
Xcel wanted to debate the attributes of the Mercedes vs the HAH.
I didn’t bring up the E320D, you did. And to repeat what was posted earlier, the AH w/ or w/out NAVI is more luxuriously equipped off the lot then the E320D, is $20,000 less $’s, is larger, faster (at least as fast anyway), receives higher FE, is much cleaner emissions wise, and is safer. What did you want to compare? The MB Star on the hood vs. the AH’s H emblem? I love the MB’s leather and wood dash inlay but not for $20K more.
Good Luck
Wayne R. Gerdes
I have not driven one. Owners seem happy with the performance. For me I was happy enough with the performance of the 4 cylinder rental Camry. I find it easier for me to conserve on fuel if I don't have a car with neck snapping acceleration.
Practice some self-control, man. Do I need to come over there and cut up your credit cards, too?
:-)
Better look back at your post..
xcel, "Hybrids in the News" #2901, 21 Sep 2005 3:27 pm
Positions seem fairly entrenched. You can disagree without being disagreeable.
Better look back at your link: http://today.reuters.co.uk/news/newsArticle.aspx?type=scienceNews&storyID=2005-09-20T13551- - 5Z_01_EIC050019_RTRIDST_0_SCIENCE-DAIMLERCHRYSLER-HYBRIDS-DC.XML
What MB Diesel were you talking about, a non-existent one?
The AH as it stands has everything the MB and more except for the star, HID’s, wood appliqué, and better leather. The Laser like cruise control sounds nice but that is another expensive option. A SS like setup would be nice as well.
Good Luck
Wayne R. Gerdes
I posted the article as it pertains to the new DCC hybrids.