Toyota Tacoma 2005+

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  • ryanhokie2001ryanhokie2001 Member Posts: 7
    I am in the final stages of buying a Silver Tacoma Double/Crew Cab 4x4. I like both the TRD Off Road and Sport Packages so it is down between them. My question is, which suspension and tire combo is better for driving a majority of highway miles? I drive 90 miles roundtrip to work everday and want a smooth ride on the highway but need the 4x4 capability since I live in the country and drive a lot of backroads during winter/hunting season. I test drove a 4x4 Double Cab Tacoma with the Off Road package and 16 inch off road tires/rims and it really drove smoothly. Unfortunately the dealer didn't have any 4x4 Sport package double cabs so I had to test drive an extended cab sport wit the 17 inch all season tires/rims. This drove A LOT rougher but I am not sure if it is the sport suspension or the shorter access cab body that caused this. If anyone can tell me what the difference is in highway driving between the off road and sport packages I would GREATLY appreciate it. I am worried that the off road package and tires will wear quickly on the highway since b/c they have a bigger tread and are not all-season. PLEASE HELP!!!! :)
  • ustazzafustazzaf Member Posts: 311
    My number 1 priority when looking was to drive the exact vehicle with the exact tires and wheels. The dealers tried to get me to drive what they had in stock, but I have found after years of installing tires professionally that the same tires will handle very different on different configured vehicles. As for the suspensions, the sport is going to be stiffer because of the suspension and the larger wheels and lower profile tires. My personal opinion is that the Off Road will be better for 4x4ing if you go beyond the occasional ice patch (and the O/R's tires will probably be better there too). Bottom line is drive the exact vehicles you are interested in and then choose. I don't use my TRD O/R off the street too much, but when I do, I appreciate what is offers (tow hook, skid plate, rear locker, 110 volt plug and the 16" tires which have better grip and are cheaper to replace). Personnaly, if I had a choice I would tell the dealer to install either BFG A/Ts, Wrangler A/Ts or BS Dueller A/Ts. The stock tires are not something to brag about.
  • banowetlbanowetl Member Posts: 6
    Hi, I have been driving my 06 double cab TRD Sport long bed since Christmas and now have 15,000 miles on it. I drive 44 miles a day to and from work and I love it. I originally was looking at the D/C TRD off road but the ride was too rough for everyday use (my opinion). It also only comes in the short bed version. After driving the D/C TRD Sport Long Bed I was sold. It is a very smooth ride (for a truck). The extra foot of wheelbase makes a difference in the ride as well as the Sport suspension is softer. As far as off roading goes, I don't foresee me rock crawling anytime soon so I don't miss the Off Road package.
    In March we drove down to Padre Island National Seashore by Corpus Christi and drove 30 miles down the beach to go camping. The Sport suspension handled the bumps and jolts with no problem and the 17 inch tires were great in the deep sand.
    I have used the long bed capacity numerous times and would have been screwed if I had gotten the short bed.
    I am also towing a 21' camper with my tacoma and I think that the extra wheelbase of the long bed helps with towing. I do use a weight distribution hitch and brake controller for towing and that helps with handling.
    Anyway, I would go with the Sport package as well as the long bed option for your Double Cab.
  • boone88rrboone88rr Member Posts: 194
    I wouldn't worry too much about the tire and rim combinations that come stock on either truck. They can be replaced for reasonable money at any point. No matter what OEM tires you get, they are terrible. If you live in backcountry, you'll probably need to replace the OEM tires before winter anyway.

    Honestly, I would decide whether you need a rear locker or LSD. Also, even though it sounds trivial, consider the color packages. It's not cheap to get a color matched grille, rear bumper and door handles after purchase. Do you like the hood scoop or not? All of that stuff will amount to a lot more later if you decide you want to change something.

    The Sport is for on-road driving. The stiffer suspension will allow it to handle better. You can always put on 16" wheels and different tires afterwards to soften the ride if it's too much for you.

    If you're looking at a short bed DC (5' box), it's the same length as that access cab you drove (6' box). The DC is a little heavier. It will probably handle the similarly.

    The decision is obviously up to you but I disagree that the tire/wheel combo should be a major deciding factor.
  • ryanhokie2001ryanhokie2001 Member Posts: 7
    To all...thanks for the great responses to my original post. I spoke with the master tech at the Toyota dealership and he indicated that he has seen and heard from customers that the Sport Suspension is a little rougher ride on the highway. I noticed this during the test drive...the steering wheel had a little "shake" to it. He said that the bigger 17 inch tires/rims make the ride stiffer as well. So, even though the TRD Off Road is designed for off-road 4X4 use, it sounds like the 16 inch rims and wider tires on the TRD Off Road make for a smoother highway drive? Just want to confirm this with ya'll before I make my purchase. The highway driving is a MAJOR factor for me since my commute to work is so long everyday. Thanks again!
  • carbon12carbon12 Member Posts: 3
    Yes. The ride will be smoother-softer and less stiff with the TRD Off Road suspension. You will fill the bumps less than with the TRD Sport. However, there will be more body sway (rock) with the TRD Off Road.
  • Karen_SKaren_S Member Posts: 5,092
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  • len888len888 Member Posts: 112
    17" low profile tires would wear much faster that the standard 16"

    My 2005 v6 4x4 access cab came equipped with Dunlop AT20 16" tires. With 17,500 mostly highway miles there is 55% tread remainng. I rotate ev. 5K mi. and maintain 33psi.

    Whatever you buy, remember to dynamic balance (not static balance), rotate ev. 5K service, and keep a psi that suits your ride and terrain best.
  • ltmarltmar Member Posts: 45
    I own a TRD Sport DC 4x4. I had read that the Off-Road Suspension was slightly firmer, but I can see where the 16" tires would cushion a little better so maybe they ride about the same. I can say that I thought the ride was a little rough on concrete when I first bought it but I have gotten used to it. Mine handles really well at a quick pace on curvy roads.

    Since I don't do serious off-roading, I believe I get a lot more benefit from the limited slip rear on the Sport than I would get from the locker on the Off-Road. You can really tell the difference on slick or bumpy surfaces where an open differential would spin a tire.
  • ryanhokie2001ryanhokie2001 Member Posts: 7
    So, from all of your fantastic feedback, I have gained the following knowledge (I think!?): (1) The TRD Sport Taco 4x4 has a stiffer suspension and tires that will have a stiffer street "ride" but is built more for highway/street driving and the limited slip differential will benefit more on paved, wet surfaces. The 17 inch tires will be stiffer and wear faster on this model. (2) The TRD Off Road 4X4 has a not-as-stiff suspension, softer tires for a smoother highway ride and a locking rear differential that would benefit heavy 4x4ing under slow speeds? The 16 inch tires on this model will be softer and wear slower. So, in all of your non-biased (what you own) opinions, which truck should I get? I don't care as much about the cosmetics (hood scoop, color matched parts, etc) and price is not an issue on whether I pay a little extra for the Sport package....I am looking for a truck that will handle BEST ON THE HIGHWAY for 90 miles a day roundtrip to work but want the 4x4 capability for winter hunting season on backroads. It seems like a wash to me since the Sport is built primarily for paved surfaces but has a stiffer ride, whereas the Off Road is mainly built for Off-Road 4x4ing but has a smoother highway ride. Again, your help is greatly appreciated and this kind of disussion is an invaluable asset for my Tacoma buying decision!
  • xincerxincer Member Posts: 4
    I bought an '06 4x2 4 door with the standard TRD package and I must say that I just hate the ride on the highway. If you are driving highways a lot, the main thing that you will have to deal with is the sections of the road that get choppy from heavy truck use. The smooth parts of the highway are no issue at all and the truck rides fine, but if the highway is a section that is choppy, and unfortunately at least 50% of the highway in my area is (Southern California), you will hate the ride because the suspension is just too bouncy. I understand trucks and have owned a few, but the short wheel base and extremely light rear end on this truck equal a constant quick and jerky bounce when the road is choppy. I have been doing a job that is 30 minutes from my home on the highway, and if the job isn't over soon, I am going to need to go and by a kidney belt for the commute.

    On the note of the liking the truck, other than that ride issue, I love it. What I will be looking for at this point is a good suspension option for replacing the factory Bilsteins, because they are garbage. I need to take the truck out of town in two weeks and I am dreading it.

    My opinion is save the money on the Sport package and put it into a better aftermarket suspension. The Toyota engineers to do better on their homework on this one.
  • boone88rrboone88rr Member Posts: 194
    The locker is for off-roading. Getting unstuck. The max speed you can do with the diff locked is 5 mph.

    My vote, SR5 DC V6 4x4 with Limited Slip. It's option #C in the Northeast. The SR5 has a nice "middle of the road" suspension. If the Sport is too rough and you don't off-road, I think this would be a suitable option.

    - Aluminum Wheels (AL)
    - 50 State Emissions (FE)
    - Deluxe ETR Audio w/6 CD In-Dash Changer & 6 Speakers (DZ) - Limited Slip Differential (LD)
    - SR5 Package #2: Sliding Rear Window w/Privacy Glass, Power Windows/Door Locks/Outside Mirrors, Remote Keyless Entry, Cruise Control, Bucket Seats w/Driver Lumbar & SR5 Fabric Trim, Chrome Grille Surround & Rear Bumper, Color-Keyed Front Bumper & Overfenders, Metallic Tone Instrument Panel Trim, Leather Steering Wheel & Shifter, Variable Speed Wipers, SR5 Badging (SL)
    - Towing Package (TO)
  • len888len888 Member Posts: 112
    To the SR5 #2 or #3 Package it is a good investment to order port installed running boards. Without them or with the round step bars you will experience serious stone shipping on the rocker panels and forward part of the rear fenders. The Tacoma paint chips easily and Tacoma running boards solve an otherwise major potential problem.
  • ustazzafustazzaf Member Posts: 311
    I am biased to the TRD O/R as I have one, but I think the only benefit of the Sport is looks and handling on the curves if you like to get aggressive. If you intend to hit the backroads occasionally, the O/R may come in handy with the (cheesy) skid plate, tow hook, rear locker and more aggressive tires. I am guessing that you can add the hook, skid plate and of course different tires to the Sport if you wanted though. Depending on how deep in the woods you go, either would probably suit you fine. Mostly a test drive decision.
  • boone88rrboone88rr Member Posts: 194
    No offense intended but what are you talking about?

    How does picking the SR5 package over either TRD package mean that you're going to have paint chipping?

    I've had my truck for 15 months now. Removed the mudflaps. Added Westin side steps. One New England winter. Not one paint chip.
  • cactusonecactusone Member Posts: 8
    I have the same truck (TRD OR DBL Cab 2x4) but I love the ride now. When I first got it I thought it was choppy suspension too, but the tires were over inflated by dealer. Do not run max tire pressure when empty in bed, I run 29 psi all the way around with 18.0 mpg mixed driving. You wont regret it.
  • ustazzafustazzaf Member Posts: 311
    That is something that just bugs the heck out of me. The dealer (and most drivers) don't seem to understand that the company tested the vehicles quite a bit before determining the best pressure for the tires on each vehicle, but they still go against what is written on the door. You have to adjust for mods, but most people just use the vehicle for a daily driver as it was intended. If you add a canopy, you may want to add a couple pounds to the rear tires. If you are going to pull a heavy trailer, ditto. Adding extra air just cause it gives a tad more mileage or you think the tires look low is ignorant. The only time you have to go below the recommended pressure on the road is if you put tires on that have a max pressure which is below the recommended pressure for the vehicle. Going against the sticker may result in a accident, as the handling is changed if the tires are harder (or softer).
  • xincerxincer Member Posts: 4
    I was moving some tools for a friend today, which added about 150 pounds to the bed and the ride was very nice on choppy highway. I haven't checked the tire pressure, I have less that 500 miles on the truck so I am guessing that they are over inflated from the dealer. I really don't like the idea of messing with tire pressure to change the ride, but I do understand what everyone is saying regarding the "right" tire pressure and not the over inflated pressure from the dealer.

    Does anyone have any suggestions of better shocks that would improve the ride? I still would just assume fix the too stiff suspension issue also. And I mean too stiff based on that I think this suspension is too stiff for the factory weight of the bed, empty, which in my case is how the truck with be 80% of the time. I don't want to turn it into a girl truck with fluffy suspension, but there has to be a good progressive shock that will do a better job absorbing the initial jolts and then hold strong when weighted down.
  • ustazzafustazzaf Member Posts: 311
    I like the suspension. Maybe because I have a canopy and a bunch of tools that weighs it down. If I wanted a car ride, I would buy a car. Rancho has awesome shocks.
  • len888len888 Member Posts: 112
    Go easy pardner....no SR5 or related convenience package of options includes running boards. Running boards are an extra option from Toyota for the Taco. I did recommend that extra option because experience has taught me that running boards DO PROTECT the rocker panels & leading edge of the rear fenders from stone chips. Probably the stock mud flaps front and rear also deter chipping. Keep a'truckin.
  • raswankraswank Member Posts: 56
    Just put 2007 FJ 17 inch wheels and tires on my Taco. I bought 5 of them from a guy off ebay. They are the nice highly polished wheels with a clearcoat. Truck looks awesome. I wish I knew how to post pics
  • rocklarockla Member Posts: 12
    -I got a 06 taco, four doors sr5 automatic 32000km on it. :sick:
    -I have been toping up the power steering fluid ever seance I got the truck almost 1 liter so far.
    -Went to the dealer and they did not see ant problem whit it then.
    I was driving it last week and got a massive oil leak from one of the seals of the rack and pinion got it towed to the dealer and they replaced it on warranty told me it was a first time they saw that.
    -Ever noticed that the original power steering fluid on your tacos from factory is not dextron III . It’s a clear oil.
  • boone88rrboone88rr Member Posts: 194
    Um... ok. I believe you. I wasn't disagreeing with you about adding running boards. Just wondering how it was relevant to his question, "pardner".
  • practicalguy1practicalguy1 Member Posts: 10
    At last, a documented case of exactly what I am experiencing too!

    My 2006 4cyl tacoma is also making the cycling noise when the a/c is on. In addition, I would describe:
    1) the cycle period as also 20 second interval
    2) the noice is more like a "whirling" sound like a solenoid or pump cycling on
    3) not only the noise but the vibration of it can be felt almost like the source is below the passenger side floorboard.
    4) when on, the sound and vibration exists for about a 4 second length of time.

    Ardvark -- did you ever get a resolution on this or what it was truely diagnosed as? Anyone else have suggestions?
  • len888len888 Member Posts: 112
    With all of the sincere discussion on this website about Taco paint being easy to chip from pebbles and stones, it seemed remiss to not alert new members of that potential problem, and, 'how to' avert rocker panel chipping. The relevancy is 'adding to' the prospective owner's decision matrix. Another way to phrase its relevancy is that not everbody 'has all the answers'for lack of informed questions. Hang in there, your experiences are always informative.
  • jfigueroa1jfigueroa1 Member Posts: 209
    Good Day,
    Yes, some hydra fluids are light in color, some are red, the only thing for sure, if the fluid look dark rusty/brown it needs to be replaced.
  • jmcdelaneyjmcdelaney Member Posts: 1
    Just bought my new baby 2 days ago! 2006 Dbl cab V6 automatic 4X4 SR5 #2 package. I was so careful choosing my new vehicle and I LOVE her! BUT...I forgot to be careful about checking if she may have been a Katrina car...Here's why I am posting...

    The sticker said the interior is gray. Looks taupe to me. My husband mentioned it to the salesman who said it was the lighting...still looks taupe to me. Anyway, was vacumming it out and noticed the carpeting seemed kind of cheap...didn't think much of it until I noticed some staples under the dashboard...the taupe carpet is stapled to gray carpet underneath it. What is the carpeting like in your 2006 tacomas?

    Thanks, Joann
  • geogeckogeogecko Member Posts: 225
    I have a weird thing happening with my V6 Taco, and the A/C.

    I live in Texas, and the place where I work, I have to park in uncovered parking, for about 9+ hours a day.

    I've noticed several times now, in the dead of summer, around 105+, that when I first start the truck, and switch the A/C on, once the compressor kicks in, it's almost like the clutch on the compressor is not working, because it makes this loud clunk noise, and appears to be fairly hard on the engine. Almost like the clutch engages, but has no slipping, almost like what happens when you let out the clutch too fast on the transmission.

    This is repeatable, but only happens on the first A/C cycle, after a very hot day. I normally park with the front end of the truck facing West, so that my sun shade provides the best benefit. This week, I am parking my truck facing East, to see if it's related to engine compartment heating.

    I'm sitting at almost 33K miles, so if I'm going to do anything, I need to take it in quickly.
  • geogeckogeogecko Member Posts: 225
    I would think real fast about taking that truck back, and returning it, if there is any way possible.

    Being that new, the carpet should not have needed to be replaced (or covered over). Your best bet, is to remove one of the door sill covers (plastic--it comes off by just pulling up on it), and lift the carpet to look for water lines, or see if moisture has been in it.

    Does it appear that the carpet has a fragrant type of shampoo in it? Most flood cards will stink pretty bad, but usually, this is fixed by cleaning the carpet with strong cleaners. I'm surprised that they would leave the old carpet in, if they were replacing the original. It's almost a dead giveaway, if someone found the old carpet, as you have.

    If the car is a flood car, then you should be able to find some way to get your money back, since it would have been sold without telling you, but it could be a long and painful ordeal to get sorted out.
  • ltmarltmar Member Posts: 45
    There is a lot more interior color coordination than the carpet. On my gray interior, the seats, dash, door panels, headliner, console, and carpet are all gray. If the carpet doesn't match everything else, then there is definitely a problem. I don't think it would be practical for someone to install an entirely different interior to sell a damaged truck though.
  • tacoma25tacoma25 Member Posts: 2
    I would say that something is a little off with this, I have the same truck but do not have this problem, i would say you should do a carfax query on your vehicle
  • tacoma25tacoma25 Member Posts: 2
    Anyone know of any company selling the aftermarket fog lights that come on the tacomas. I am looking for something that looks the same as factory without paying 200 for each light. Any help would be appreciated.
  • bigandybigandy Member Posts: 70
    toyotapart.com has them, the full kit including switch, etc. for $346. They have pretty nice pricing on other stuff - not sure how this compares with other sites, but I've had good luck with them.
  • kendran4kendran4 Member Posts: 2
    I own A 2006 TRD off road tacoma and installed factory "tube steps" in an effort to block and reduce rock chipping in front of the rear fender well. I also had the factory clear bra product removed and installed clear bra to cover a larger area in front of the rear fender well. I have taken one trip off road and NO CHIPPING!!! I would highly recommend the tube steps or "nerf bars" over the running boards since they extend farther back along and "protect" more of the body. I politely pushed this issue with the dealer and they gave me a discount on the tube steps and covered the cost of replacing the clear bra. My truck is black and I had the tube steps sprayed with line x. Looks pretty good and blends in with the truck. A reasonable solution to protect the truck. Not ideal since either the running boards or tube steps actually seem a bit awkward when getting into the vehicle. This problem seems to be potentially huge for toyota. These trucks should be able to be driven off road without receiving extensive damage to the paint. The dealer told me Toyota considers it an "acceptable condition"!! HA. If I had known about this prior to my purchase, I most likely would not have purchased this truck. If you have not made your purchase yet, I would negotiate for a significant discount on tube steps, or free installation of clear bra along the rocker panels. Cost for the clear bra for just the small area in front of the rear wheel wells up to the front of the bed was only $100 total, for both sides. To have it installed the full length of the rocker panels would probably be around $200-$300 total. I might suggest trying the clear bra first, it could be installed up to the recessed section of the body and not be noticeable. That should protect the paint. One might be ok doing that without running boards or tube steps.
  • pekosrobpekosrob Member Posts: 25
    I've had my Tacoma for a little over 18 months, and for the past 2 months have parked my truck outdoors (in Texas) for 9+ hours, and sometimes a little less. But it's parked outside almost 6 days a week, and at home it's parked outside as well. I have no problems with my AC, you definitely want to get that checked out. Hopefully you can get it fixed if it's broken.
  • pekosrobpekosrob Member Posts: 25
    Has anyone even questioned why there are Tacos that have the O/R package but aren't even 4WD? That makes absolutely no sense. Isn't the whole point of 4WD is that it's better for off-road driving conditions? I'm curious why Toyota even makes off road packages for 2WD trucks, and as buyers, if you've questioned this too.

    I have a 4WD SR5#3 05 DC 6 speed manual Taco. I put a Borla Cat-Back exhaust, alpine IVA-W200 dvd player with Sirius and iPod and a plug for GameCube. I love this truck so much, I want to get a window tint, component speakers, and change out the grill. What does everyone think about the different grills you can get for the Tacos?
  • geogeckogeogecko Member Posts: 225
    It appears to be related to having the truck parked directly towards the sun (facing the front of the truck to the West), during the afternoon evening hours. I typically get off work at just a little after 5 PM.

    I started parking towards the East the last couple weeks, and have not had the issue anymore. And, the past few days, have been some of the hottest Texas days we have had.

    So, I'm not sure what the problem is, except that it may be engine compartment heating. It would be a difficult thing to reproduce at the dealer, since it only happens the first time the truck is started, after having sit for several hours. Basically, they would have one chance per day to see what the problem is. I would hate to have something eventually break, because at 33,000 miles, it will happen when there is 36,001 miles on the truck.
  • pekosrobpekosrob Member Posts: 25
    I actually face my truck east when I park since it seems to be less hot inside the cab when I get off of work. I hope you don't really have a problem, but I would at least contact the dealership and ask them if you can get some sort of diagnostic or check up for free. good luck!
  • wooddorkerwooddorker Member Posts: 300
    "Has anyone even questioned why there are Tacos that have the O/R package but aren't even 4WD? That makes absolutely no sense. "

    I agree. I also don't know why you'd purposely want the higher ride height and associated handling detriments if you didn't need the clearance and didn't get the benefits of 4WD.

    But for some reason, Toyota sells a lot of PoseRunners.

    If I didn't need 4WD, I'd want a lowered, great handling truck not a tall one with an artifically high CG.
  • driver56driver56 Member Posts: 408
    It does make some sense. How about a better view of the road ahead. For every advantage there is a disadvantage.
  • seranikoseraniko Member Posts: 27
    best bang for ur buck imo...looks good and cost a lot less to own and insure.
  • slabanumslabanum Member Posts: 18
    well for starters I like how it looks, I could not get the blue color without the O/R package. i like the tires with the white emblem on it. i like the seats better in the O/R and heck i paid less for this and i get better gas mileage and lastly i don't do much off roading. :shades:
  • ltmarltmar Member Posts: 45
    Since the TRD packages come with either a locking or limited slip differential, those traction aids take care of the off-road needs for most people. I know the limited slip in my TRD Sport meets most of my needs on slick streets and dirt roads without using 4WD. On the other hand, on two occasions this past spring, I needed the lower gears of 4 Low to pull my PWC out of a washed-out boat ramp and a ramp that was so steep that 2WD vehicles were spinning their wheels all the way to the top. I still believe that the TRD packages on PreRunner trucks would meet the needs for most.
  • pekosrobpekosrob Member Posts: 25
    Thank you, I'm glad someone else agrees! The other people who responded said stuff like "I like the way it looks" or something of that nature. My question was why would they make an off road package without 4WD, not why YOU, the consumer, would spend.

    Also there is not better gas mileage (I'm not saying you said this wooddorker, just don't want to put two replies in because I'm lazy like that) just because it is 2WD. It's only better when you're actually DRIVING in 4WD vs 2WD. I like the 4WD because at least I have the OPTION to use it (and to engage it just takes a twist of a dial). Someone else said they like the ride height better - fair enough, I mean I feel weird riding in anything that's not an SUV or truck. But you can get the same ride height with a 4WD!

    If I had a "PoseRunner" as you aptly named it, I would probably tear that silver "Pre-Runner" sign off. Most non-Toyota drivers know that 4WD Tacos will always have a "4X4" emblem on the mudflaps.

    Basically, if you want an improved ride height, get a Ford 500. Why bother buying an SUV or truck (especially a Tacoma, because they're BUILT for off road, they don't ever make moonroofs because it is not conducive to offroading) that can't drive through the mud? Unless, you're a woman or someone who would never even CONSIDER going offroad, then I can kinda see, but if that was the case, you wouldn't get the O/R package in the first place. I'm really only ragging people with O/R packages and 2WD, not people with just 2WD.
  • boone88rrboone88rr Member Posts: 194
    Another group buy has been started for these kits similar to the one we had last March.

    http://redlinetuning.com/QL-TOY-TACOMA-95+.html

    I am very happy with my kit. This is a great chance to get $13 off any model they offer for the 2005+ Tacomas.

    Please come and ask any questions or add your name to the list if interested:

    http://toyotanation.com/forum/showthread.php?t=122904&page=25

    Thanks.
  • xincerxincer Member Posts: 4
    I find it pretty ridiculous that people are getting almost snobby about 4x4 vs 4x2 and how Toyota chose to make a 4x2 Off Road branded truck. I purchased a 4x2 O/R truck a month ago. I wouldn’t have minded it being a 4x4 version, I ski and would like to have the security of 4x4 ability at those times, but otherwise don’t need it. Toyota sucks for their choices in regards to models in the 4x2 line. I don’t need an O/R package, but the non O/R models suck in overall features, so you have to go with that package to get a decent truck. Believe me, I would rather have a better ride than to be driving a truck that is too light for the O/R package shocks (Bilsteins are garbage), but I also need a truck and think that lowered trucks are for girls. True, raised 4x2 trucks are for guys trying to over compensate for some other short coming, but the Tacoma 4x2 O/R is right in the middle height-wise, I think. So, Toyota tied my hands and the hands of many others with their poor styling choices for the 4x2 Tacoma.

    To get all snobbish like some are doing here about the 4x4 thing and calling 4x2’s PoseRunners, please, get a life, it’s a truck. 4x4’s are great for traction and many other things, but if you really want to start comparing on a 4x4 Tacoma handling slick surfaces, I will put my Audi A6 Quattro up against anything. The American and Japanese manufacturers don’t have a clue when it comes to active slip control. That being said, I wouldn’t load a motorcycle in the back of my Audi and go into the hills with it, so there is still room for the 4x4 trucks in the world.
  • slabanumslabanum Member Posts: 18
    whatever dude, in the end none of your talk matters to me. it is stil my choice. ;)

    it's my money not yours, i have the choice of where to spend my hard earned cash don't i?
  • pekosrobpekosrob Member Posts: 25
    hey man, I'm not really tryin' to be snobby. I just don't understand what Toyota was doin' when they offered that. It's more likely a money issue, they can get more money out of a 2WD O/R than a regular 4WD or a 2WD with SR5 packages. You think the Bilstein shocks suck for heavier trucks too? A 2WD with limited slip probably would be fairly close to a 4WD, or at least help a helluva lot more than one without it.

    Yeah, and 4WD are DEFINITELY not for handling curves, sorry if it sounded like that!
  • ustazzafustazzaf Member Posts: 311
    I don't understand why Toyota decided to sell 2 wheel drive vehicles that are as high as the 4 wheel drives either, but the Toyota engineers are driving Toyota toward the number one auto company in the world, so I guess my second guessing the choice is pretty stupid. It sells, so they must know what they are doing.
  • ecotrklvrecotrklvr Member Posts: 519
    Not to sound argumentative, but you guys are asking wrong question. Toyota makes it because the marketplace has been buying these things up since they were introduced in the last generation(s?) of the Tacoma.

    The question is, why do people buy them? Now there's a discussion. I believe the reasons that have been stated before are all valid - looks like a 4WD, more ground clearance, better sight lines while driving, lower insurance and a little better mileage than 4WD. Maybe even add "chicks dig 'em" to that list. It's a unique vehicle as well. The push-button Electronically Locking Differential is great for sand, mud and rocky terrain, and reverts back to 2WD for better mileage and lower insurance. Oh, and it costs thousands less to buy, and additional hundreds less for insurance over it's lifetime.

    I've got a friend that has had one for 7 years, and he loves it. It gets him and 1-3 friends up to Big Bear for snowboarding just fine. That ground clearance is a real help there.

    For some, I'm sure it's sort of a "Practical Poser" of a 4WD. Perfect for some, not for others. But a good alternative for lots of people.

    I wish they'd put that EDL on as an option for all models.
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