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  • fintailfintail Member Posts: 58,597
    Two different schools of fuel economy seen on my street today - Audi R8 Spyder in red, and a Volt in white.
  • ateixeiraateixeira Member Posts: 72,587
    Not new, but immaculate so it looked new. GORGEOUS.

    Still think the RX-8 never had the same soul.
  • texasestexases Member Posts: 11,144
    "Still think the RX-8 never had the same soul. "

    I agree - while I know they were trying to increase sales, putting in a back seat and door added weight, opposite of what the low-torque Wankel needed.

    Speaking of which, it looks like it migh be the end of the road for the Mazda rotary. Not surprising, can you imagine how much money they have to spend developing that engine, for the very small volume of production?
  • ateixeiraateixeira Member Posts: 72,587
    Especially with tighter emissions regs...
  • fushigifushigi Member Posts: 1,459
    That was my thought as well. I don't think the limited production is a problem as Mazda could have used the engine in other vehicles, but reliability and emissions weren't ever string suits from my understanding.
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  • anythngbutgmanythngbutgm Member Posts: 4,277
    Actually, I've read that the Wankel is pretty darn reliable.

    It's the thirst for oil that gave it the sour reception with cars like the RX-8. That, coupled with measely torque and a rev-happy nature (which I love btw) and the RX-8 had a limited audience unfortunately. That engine in anything other than the lightweigth quasi-coupe would have been a sales bomb IMO.

    They could have used it on the Miata which would have rocked, big time, but I think it was a combination of cost, production availability and just the Miata's history of traditional engines that kept that from happening.
  • texasestexases Member Posts: 11,144
    Saw a new 5 today, the sides look very strange to me, more than they do here:
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  • fintailfintail Member Posts: 58,597
    Saw a new "Biturbo" badged S63 today, typical corporate [non-permissible content removed] looking driver, car was white of course.
  • jwilliams2jwilliams2 Member Posts: 910
    edited August 2011
    typical corporate [non-permissible content removed] looking driver

    My goodness. Didn't your mama tell you "If you can't say something nice....etc". :P
  • qbrozenqbrozen Member Posts: 33,788
    not new, but more rare than just about anything new ... a Citroen 2CV in lime green with canvas roof folded back.

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  • Kirstie_HKirstie_H Administrator Posts: 11,248
    Yikes - is that ever an ugly car. Seems to have been the inspiration for some of the more recent design stinkers.

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  • bhill2bhill2 Member Posts: 2,610
    Yikes - is that ever an ugly car.

    At least it's ugly for good reasons; low price, large capacity for the size, all-terrain capability, etc. The more recent ones just seem to be styling malfunctions.

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  • fintailfintail Member Posts: 58,597
    Yep, but my dad told me to be honest, so I go with that ;)
  • robr2robr2 Member Posts: 8,805
    ...but I spotted a Prius with Alaska plates. For some reason I didn't expect that.
  • ateixeiraateixeira Member Posts: 72,587
    Thankfully Mazda is done with that styling theme and already moved to a new one.

    I got a left over 2008 Miata mostly to avoid the 2009's ugly grin.
  • ateixeiraateixeira Member Posts: 72,587
    Saw one on the road, then parked next to one.

    They've gotten big, boy have they ever. Positively dwarfs my Miata.

    3814 lbs per Edmunds on a 528i. 4519 lbs (!) for a 550i xDrive, yikes that's bloated.

    Seems like they're slotting the 3 where the 5 used to be, and I guess the 1 takes over where the 3 used to be.
  • texasestexases Member Posts: 11,144
    Yes, the 5 keeps growing, but on the inside it doesn't seem roomier than my friend's dad's 1979 528i. I fit in that GREAT, wish I had one back then...
  • ateixeiraateixeira Member Posts: 72,587
    Saw one at the beach, in a beautiful rally blue paint scheme that Lexus must've paid Subaru a licensing fee to use.
  • andys120andys120 Member Posts: 23,675
    I went to the Indycar race at Loudon and saw several cars we don't see much of in Cow Hampshire.

    -Audi R8 Coupe, the first I've seen darkish, gray metallic with charcoal "sail". Eye catching but not pretty enough for the money they want; make mine a Spider.

    -Maserati Quattroportes, two different one gray,one black.

    -Fiat 500, dark gray, cute, a little bigger than I expected.

    -BMW 535i (F10) Black, very good-looking. They fixed the styling but word is messed up the steering. What a shame.

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  • fintailfintail Member Posts: 58,597
    I think everything has been bumped up a size to make room for the 1er, exactly. The F11 Touring I drove in Germany was a pretty big car, and the 7er now can really be a boat.

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  • ateixeiraateixeira Member Posts: 72,587
    make mine a Spider

    I'm a rag top kind of guy, but you miss out on the carbon fiber blades on the side, which sort of make that car. The Spider just looks like a long wheelbase TT.

    a little bigger than I expected

    I'm sure the new 500 dwarfs the old one, but it's still a light compact this day and age.
  • explorerx4explorerx4 Member Posts: 20,885
    edited August 2011
    A 550i xDrive has a twin turbo V8, plus AWD and probably other upgraded components to handle all that power.
    If it had 100 HP like a Miata, they would weigh about the same. :P
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  • lemkolemko Member Posts: 15,261
    ...black Audi R8 and black Audi A4
  • steverstever Guest Posts: 52,454
    Finally spotted two in the wild. Around Ottawa the other day. They were cruising the freeway in moderate traffic and the drivers seemed comfortable enough dealing with the trucks and tourists. One was a business vehicle with logos plastered all over it.
  • qbrozenqbrozen Member Posts: 33,788
    edited August 2011
    oh, thanks for the reminder.

    I spotted my first one not on a dealer lot a couple of weeks ago at, of all places, the autoX. I took a peek inside and it seems the backseat is more usable than I would have thought.

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  • ateixeiraateixeira Member Posts: 72,587
    Heck, I think my Miata's too heavy!

    Bloat is rampant.
  • explorerx4explorerx4 Member Posts: 20,885
    edited August 2011
    You chose the 'bloat' of a folding hard top over a soft top.
    Don't throw stones. :P
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  • ateixeiraateixeira Member Posts: 72,587
    The difference was 80 lbs ... not significant. Reviews showed no measurable change in 0-60, plus all the weight is low and over the rear axle. Top it off, the PRHT model has the highest spring rates in the lineup.

    80 lbs is the difference between before and after the all-u-can-eat buffet at Phillips Seafood. LOL
  • ateixeiraateixeira Member Posts: 72,587
    What timing, this soft top is already showing signs of age. Same model year as mine, just posted today:

    http://townhall-talk.edmunds.com/direct/view/.f18e3de/44#MSG44

    No regrets.
  • stickguystickguy Member Posts: 53,678
    one of the first new styles in the wild (as in, not counting the one I test drove!). Still had temp tags.

    Odd, but even though I know it is bigger, it looks smaller (by a lot) to me. I would be interested to see it side by side with a gen 1 model.

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  • kyfdxkyfdx Moderator Posts: 268,279
    It's barely bigger than the old one.... I think it's mostly in width..

    It is a much nicer looking package, I think..

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  • ateixeiraateixeira Member Posts: 72,587
    The X1 is doing well in Europe, so I wonder if that will come here?

    They seem so close in size...
  • stickguystickguy Member Posts: 53,678
    I was interested in the X1 too. I know it has been delayed due to lack of supply (they can barely keep up with Euro demand) capacity.

    one of the car mags last month said it was delayed until at least next spring. At this point, might as well wait for the next model update, and build it in S.C. too!

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  • ateixeiraateixeira Member Posts: 72,587
    Size comparo:

    Per Edmunds the new X3 sizes:
    # Width: 74.1 in.
    # Height: 65.4 in.
    # Length: 183.0 in.
    # Wheel base: 110.5 in.

    Wow, that wheelbase stands out to me, that's quite lengthy!

    Per Consumer's Guide (not Reports, they are not related), the X1:
    Wheelbase: 108.7 inches
    Length: 175.4 inches
    Width: 70.8 inches
    Height: 60.8 inches

    Also a long wheelbase, less than 2" difference, wow. It is about 8" shorter, probably more suited for tight U-turns in European streets.

    Width varies more than the wheelbase does, LOL. I'm sure they made it narrow for Europe's narrow roads. It's also not nearly as tall.

    I bet the X3 does actually feel roomier inside, with all that height and width, but for practical purposes the X1 really isn't that much smaller.
  • texasestexases Member Posts: 11,144
    Thanks for the info. Do they plan to bring over the X1? I'd like to see if the headroom is decent. I thought about the 128i, but I don't fit. Course, I imagine the NA 6 would no longer be an option. Too bad...
  • ateixeiraateixeira Member Posts: 72,587
    It should get the 4 banger turbo, which debuts on the Z4 2.8i sDrive Long Pointless Name GT.

    I do think we'll eventually see the X1, sure. Audi is brining a Q3 for those who feel the Q5 is too big (no one).
  • fintailfintail Member Posts: 58,597
    Today I saw both a new style Cayenne and an X6 on a car carrier. The douchiness emanating from that rig was almost enough to make me vomit. I wonder who will be taking delivery of those classy and tasteful chariots.
  • ateixeiraateixeira Member Posts: 72,587
    I've seen FOUR of these this week, wow. That's the 'burbs NW of DC for you.

    Basically I've seen a few cars that were not the new BMW X3. :D

    Also a new Focus yesterday.
  • tifightertifighter Member Posts: 3,807
    Saw the new Murano Cross Cabrio yesterday. Being driven by an older woman turning into a country club. I have to think that's the EXACT target market...high seating, nice interior, still convertible, etc. Surprisingly, it looked better than I expected in black.

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  • ateixeiraateixeira Member Posts: 72,587
    You see less... ;)
  • fintailfintail Member Posts: 58,597
    edited August 2011
    Yep, black hides mass
    Can't believe they sold one...must be a dealer's wife
  • ateixeiraateixeira Member Posts: 72,587
    At $47 grand to start, MEGA dealer.
  • fintailfintail Member Posts: 58,597
    edited August 2011
    He owns the store... Maxima isn't pretentious enough for her, GT-R is way too out there, she damages big SUVs so a hideous Armada is a no-go... so the 4 ton cabrio is the winner. I hope I see one soon.
  • lemkolemko Member Posts: 15,261
    This lady looks like a good candidate!

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    I wonder who the poor [non-permissible content removed] paying for the X6 or Cayenne will be?
  • fintailfintail Member Posts: 58,597
    Just google "financial sector criminal", "sketchy entrepreneur" or "trust fund [non-permissible content removed]" (they often coexist as well)
  • ateixeiraateixeira Member Posts: 72,587
    I've only seen cross-cabrios on car carriers.

    So they exist, but none have sold yet. :D
  • steverstever Guest Posts: 52,454
    I kind of like the idea of them. Had to park the minivan on a rocky road today and walk an extra kilometer to get to the trailhead. My oil pan looks like Gaddafi's face.

    Hard to do a canoe rack though - Wranglers are about the only ones I know of that have a decent rack available (aftermarket I suppose).
  • tifightertifighter Member Posts: 3,807
    Come on steve, some contractor bars and you're good to go. Cut out a panel on the bottom of your canoe hull so you have a sunroof on your cabrio...

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  • steverstever Guest Posts: 52,454
    edited August 2011
    Heh, they make "glass bottom" kayaks now.

    Bit odd - our decade old Mountain Hardware tent has a moonroof in it but neither of our cars do.
  • ateixeiraateixeira Member Posts: 72,587
    I sort of like the idea of a do-everything, AWD open-top crossover, also, but the execution left a bit to be desired, and the price is looney-tunes high.

    They should have made it an Infiniti. At least you wouldn't balk at a $47k starter price.

    I'd just get the Wrangler Unlimited. Two of them for that price. Or maybe a 4 door and a 2 door. :D
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