That's probably a big part of it. Buick isn't completely reinvented yet - and I think the MSRP is inflated in typical GM style, compared to attainable transaction prices. That has to turn off more than a few,
I've seen Regal CXL down not much over 20K in screamer ads, not terrible for that.
Yeah. It's maybe half a size too small for a Camcord competitor, but it's still some bang for the buck. Unfortunately, the base DI unit can be kind of coarse, and isn't a screamer - but it gets decent mileage from my experience (had one as a rental).
With no Pontiac, tough decision as to where it should live. Maybe should have been a Malibu.
Just imagine if the regal was born a Pontiac. It would have some form of huge plastic body cladding, orange and red interior lighting and who knows what the front end would look like.
To your point there aren't many cars it competes with. It is a tweener in terms of size (not quite midsize, but not compact either). The only direct competitor really is the TSX and I guess you could throw in the Volvo S60.
In Germany, it more or less is the Malibu equivalent. Maybe just not a good idea to bring it here, where local custom dictates something wider and blander for the mass market.
Must have been some Hyundai dealers out for a demo run or something :shades: ...60K+ seems steep for a mountain of KDM style with how the big boys depreciate, but I guess there's a butt for every seat.
I wish I could say I have only seen one new Cayenne - in my area with too much idle money milling around, they seem to sell well. No uglier than the old one, anyway.
Most significant of all comparison points between these vehicles was resale value. Based on a private-party sale, Edmunds' TMV® Calculator showed that the Equus depreciated just 17 percent from its original MSRP. Under similar conditions the 528i and M56 depreciated 22 percent and 26 percent, respectively. Hyundai products have not traditionally fared well in the resale realm. So this is a big step in the right direction.
Personally, I wouldn't buy one. If I had $60K to spend on a car I wouldn't; I'd much rather spend $30-35K and have lots of change left over. I'm simply not in the target demographics. But for what it is - luxury at a value price - the Equus is not a bad deal.
my opinion in general is that you hit the law of diminishing returns pretty quickly. you get to a certain point, and the huge increase in $$ gets very little real value back.
How many of these exist to determine real world resale value? I'd love to know the details of that sale, but I bet they don't exist. I am a little skeptical. Of course, it doesn't really compete with the much smaller 5er and M anyway. Cars compete in more than price. This thing is trying to compete with the LS especially, then the Germans and probably Jag too.
Locally there's a ~25K mile 08 S63 P3 special order nearly full option load car (original MSRP 145K) that I could pick up, add an extended warranty, and still come out the same as a deluxe Equus. That's how I would do it anyway, same money, similar lux, nicer to look at and better to drive. Alas, I can't blow 65K on a car either way :shades:
Oh yeah, saw a new small Prius today. If I wanted to go that route, I think I'd choose that one.
I think a driver would buy the AMG, while the Equus would be more chauffer driven.
To me the Genesis is more appealing vs its big brother. For mid 30s you can get 333hp, 29mpg highway, 8 speed automatic, and the real leather dash package.
So basically a nice, big RWD car for the price of a base C class, with a powertrain that will be under warranty in the year 2022.
Only SWB W221 in NA have been the diesel and the hybrid. A regular S550 which is something more comparable - not tuned, would be a bit cheaper yet for the same model year, could get one still under factory warranty for the same money. Just can't see how the pseudo LS Equus has appeal, unless you are a rabid Korean expat.
I agree the Genesis is a much better value, so much so that I have my doubts it is even being sold at a profit - just too much for the money.
To me the Can Am combines the weaknesses of a motorcycle (exposed to the weather and no crash protection) with none of the benefits (carving down a canyon road). I'll pass.
Didn't realize that about the wheelbase lengths, I guess we learn something each day.
I wonder if those Equus are bought up by the limo companies? I would not be surprised if half of them are for that type of fleet, and those customers want new, not used. so much so that I have my doubts it is even being sold at a profit
Agreed. For mid 30s is doesn't raise any eyebrows, either. That's loaded mainstream sedan money.
For the Equus, how many are really being bought at all? I wouldn't doubt some are selling commercially, I wonder about the transaction price in those cases too...probably not 65K.
Original Lexus LS was no doubt sold at a loss here to get things going, I think the Genesis is the same. Awaiting the Kia version.
Tell you what, though, it's pretty nice inside those things. I wouldn't mind being driven around in one of those bad boys. I think the ceiling is lined with suede...
Dopey, embarrassing - who do they think they are kidding, a diagonal swoopy line doesn't make a shoebox a race car. Reminds me of the accent painting on modern RVs. And that with the gormless smiling face...maybe if I was a 15 year old girl who lives in Japan...
Sadly, the copycat sycophant ranks of car designers will probably spread this everywhere.
As long as you can still buy a new one, that's current enough for me. Nice to see they finally realized their mistake. I don't know if the B-class has that weird feathery detailing, and thankfully will also lack the dumb face. I see it as faux interest, making something boring look complex.
I guess (?) it's supposed to make you look lower down, so the car doesn't appear so tall and awkward (which it is).
I liked the last one more - it was the only minivan you could get with a manual and factory Navi. We deemed it too small, and ended up with the Sienna. No regrets.
Nagare was a bad phase for Mazda, fortunately a short one.
Mazda tried too hard to create a family resemblance. I looked for a left over 2008 MX-5 rather than get a smiley face 2009.
The CX5 will be successful. It's the most efficient in a segment that is hot, and MPG is big right now. Today they just announced it's an IIHS Top Safety Pick and I doubt that will hurt.
That's a bit spendy ... buyers would be wise to do a little math. You can get a nice Fit or Fiesta for high teens. You can buy a lot of gas for that difference.
Fitzmall has 6-7 of them and they were $21-22k , which actually makes sense. You save about $6-800 per year per EPA's web site, so you'll actually make it up by the time you pay off your loan.
Friend of mine who wants to replaced a miled up Accord test drove a Prius C yesterday. He liked it. At his local dealer (ATL suburbs) it was the same story, all but one was loaded and with ~24K stickers. Looks better than the dorky normal Prius and the big one, anyway.
IHS Global Insight says gas could hit $8 a gallon by the first of next year. Alarmist but the pundit isn't an idiot either. (USA Today).
We may have to expand this discussion's title to "I spotted a NEW (insert make/model/bicycle/skateboard/city bus/ZipCar/golf car/electric scooter) today!"
That's a big 'what if' scenario. Certainly possible, but there's a difference between than and what will happen. Same kinds of predictions were made the last time gas made a runup. Also possible - drop in demand and/or reduction in tensions cause a price drop.
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I've seen Regal CXL down not much over 20K in screamer ads, not terrible for that.
It would have made more sense with the Pontiac name, though I get that they kept Buick for China. This is just a bad side effect of that decision.
With no Pontiac, tough decision as to where it should live. Maybe should have been a Malibu.
To your point there aren't many cars it competes with. It is a tweener in terms of size (not quite midsize, but not compact either). The only direct competitor really is the TSX and I guess you could throw in the Volvo S60.
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The previous Mazda6s and Legacy GT could be put in the same class, but the new ones bloated up and got bigger.
Who else? Maybe the Kizashi if VW and GM had not starved them of a decent engine.
Fact is, these are better suited for Europe, where the narrow bodies are preferred over the fat cats we get here, most of which are full-sizers now.
and heck, for the money they cahrge to make it into a "race car", it better be able to put up with some hard use!
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Not new, but also saw a very secure undershirt wearing guy, smoking with the window down, driving an older Thunderbird that was brilliant pink.
Here it is in action last October
And here it was in 2010:
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Thank goodness.
Slipped up and didn't get my own pic.
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Also saw a brand new Porsche Cayenne. I looked it up, they redesigned last year but this was the first "new" body style I've seen.
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I wish I could say I have only seen one new Cayenne - in my area with too much idle money milling around, they seem to sell well. No uglier than the old one, anyway.
Most significant of all comparison points between these vehicles was resale value. Based on a private-party sale, Edmunds' TMV® Calculator showed that the Equus depreciated just 17 percent from its original MSRP. Under similar conditions the 528i and M56 depreciated 22 percent and 26 percent, respectively. Hyundai products have not traditionally fared well in the resale realm. So this is a big step in the right direction.
Personally, I wouldn't buy one. If I had $60K to spend on a car I wouldn't; I'd much rather spend $30-35K and have lots of change left over. I'm simply not in the target demographics. But for what it is - luxury at a value price - the Equus is not a bad deal.
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Locally there's a ~25K mile 08 S63 P3 special order nearly full option load car (original MSRP 145K) that I could pick up, add an extended warranty, and still come out the same as a deluxe Equus. That's how I would do it anyway, same money, similar lux, nicer to look at and better to drive. Alas, I can't blow 65K on a car either way :shades:
Oh yeah, saw a new small Prius today. If I wanted to go that route, I think I'd choose that one.
I think a driver would buy the AMG, while the Equus would be more chauffer driven.
To me the Genesis is more appealing vs its big brother. For mid 30s you can get 333hp, 29mpg highway, 8 speed automatic, and the real leather dash package.
So basically a nice, big RWD car for the price of a base C class, with a powertrain that will be under warranty in the year 2022.
This morning I saw a ZDX and a Camry.
Of those 3 I'd take the Can Am! :shades:
I agree the Genesis is a much better value, so much so that I have my doubts it is even being sold at a profit - just too much for the money.
I wonder if those Equus are bought up by the limo companies? I would not be surprised if half of them are for that type of fleet, and those customers want new, not used.
so much so that I have my doubts it is even being sold at a profit
Agreed. For mid 30s is doesn't raise any eyebrows, either. That's loaded mainstream sedan money.
For the Equus, how many are really being bought at all? I wouldn't doubt some are selling commercially, I wonder about the transaction price in those cases too...probably not 65K.
Original Lexus LS was no doubt sold at a loss here to get things going, I think the Genesis is the same. Awaiting the Kia version.
Tell you what, though, it's pretty nice inside those things. I wouldn't mind being driven around in one of those bad boys. I think the ceiling is lined with suede...
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Saw two new freshly plated Mazdas today, a 3 and a 5 with the ridiculous side detailing. Both rentals.
Not new, but also saw the SL65 AMG I saw the other day, sounded amazing.
Unfortunately that's the trend now, and not just for Asian brands.
Dopey, embarrassing - who do they think they are kidding, a diagonal swoopy line doesn't make a shoebox a race car. Reminds me of the accent painting on modern RVs. And that with the gormless smiling face...maybe if I was a 15 year old girl who lives in Japan...
Sadly, the copycat sycophant ranks of car designers will probably spread this everywhere.
The new B-class added "surface excitement" as well. The old model was clean and cute, now it's busy looking in profile.
To be fair, I do think it lowers the tall wagon visually, at least.
I liked the last one more - it was the only minivan you could get with a manual and factory Navi. We deemed it too small, and ended up with the Sienna. No regrets.
Nagare was a bad phase for Mazda, fortunately a short one.
Not even the dorky anime generation embraced those faces. There's a fine line.
The nagare style always reminded me of this (especially on the 3):
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The CX5 will be successful. It's the most efficient in a segment that is hot, and MPG is big right now. Today they just announced it's an IIHS Top Safety Pick and I doubt that will hurt.
I bet it outsells the CX7 2-to-1.
On the other hand, they had 6 Prius C's and every single one of them had a "Sold" or "On Hold" tag.
Only one of them had a ton of options checked and rang up at $24,625... Not a bad looking little car once you add the alloys.
Fitzmall has 6-7 of them and they were $21-22k , which actually makes sense. You save about $6-800 per year per EPA's web site, so you'll actually make it up by the time you pay off your loan.
Also saw a plain silver one and it didn't look nearly as good.
Another Camry, and 2 Prius Vs.
I'm not agreeing or disagreeing with that sentiment, I just don't get why they'd want to market it that way.
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IHS Global Insight says gas could hit $8 a gallon by the first of next year. Alarmist but the pundit isn't an idiot either. (USA Today).
We may have to expand this discussion's title to "I spotted a NEW (insert make/model/bicycle/skateboard/city bus/ZipCar/golf car/electric scooter) today!"
Who knows?