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  • vikdvikd Posts: 187
    ...thank you for easing my mind...!

    And this on a brand new CTS of all Caddy's, unbelievable...!?

    This is right on par with the blasphemy I was witnessed to last spring when I saw a brand new 911 Turbo S with ghost flames on the sides...!!!

    Regards... Vikd
  • wimsey1wimsey1 Posts: 201
    any guesses on what he did to his resale value?
    ;-D Wow, gottahurt!
  • lemkolemko Philadelphia, PAPosts: 15,306
    ...don't care what you do to your car once you drive it off the lot. I've seen a lot of unlikely cars subjected to this degradation including a new Lexus LS430, Nissan Maxima, and a Volvo.

    If anybody caught the Sopranos on Sunday, Frank Vincent was driving a red 1998-2003 Lincoln Town Car with a fake "continental kit." Tony was chasing him with the Escalade causing Frank to crash his ride into the back of a Boar's Head meat truck.
  • vikdvikd Posts: 187
    ...and the driver did not appear to be the stereotypical person you would assume would do that kind of trash...oh well, just goes to show that stereotypes can be useless counterproductive...

    Regards... Vikd
  • lemkolemko Philadelphia, PAPosts: 15,306
    ...has a show called "Pimp My Ride." I saw them try it with some girl's shabby-looking 1976 DeVille. Oh the humanity!
  • vikdvikd Posts: 187
    ...I've seen it. The '67 (or mightve been '69) Mustang they did was actually not bad. Was obvioulsy not restored to original but no too over-the-top either. Perfect for the 20 yr old girl who owned it...!

    Regards... Vikd
  • player4player4 Posts: 362
    The 2004 Buick Rainier, and the 2004 Volkswagen Toureg. Have any of you seen the 2004 Mercedes-Benz E55 AMG around? I have it was like 2 months ago it was dark blue that car was beautiful i was on my way home and i was about to make the turn to get to my house and i saw the E55 i flolowed the car and it was BEAUTIFUL OMG!!!! Those dual exaust pipes on each side looked awesome and the whole car itself was tremendously nice. I love the 04 E55 AMG!!
  • a_l_hubcapsa_l_hubcaps Posts: 518
    Here are the people responsible for the landau roofs and gold grilles and stuff on Caddys:

    I actually kinda like the way their wire wheels look! But they are junk, though. In the '80s, they had problems with the wheels coming apart at high speeds.

    -Andrew L
  • wimsey1wimsey1 Posts: 201
    First Chrysler 300 on the street today.
    I think if the grill/headlight/bumper area wasn't such a mess I would be OK with that car.
  • bkswardbksward Posts: 93
    I see lots of stuff.

    I've seen the new E55 AMG, nice looker. As are the new SLs that are all over the place.

    The new CLKs as well... a 4-5 year old 2004 CLK320 is more likely to be within my price range the next time I'm out to buy a car... :-)

    Actually, I'm looking forward to seeing the new SLK when it hits stores...
  • ghuletghulet Posts: 2,628
    Last night I saw my first 'on the street' Scion, a burgandy xB just like the one at the Chicago Auto Show, on North Halsted just south of Addison. I've also seen a surprising number of Chevrolet Aveos, both three door and sedan.
  • andys120andys120 Loudon NHPosts: 20,557
    I swung by the local Chrysler store to have a look at the 300s. They are good-looking, even the base model has a nice stance on the road.

    The car doesn't look as massive in person as in photos nor does the grille seem so large.

    The car has clean lines so it should wear well even after there are millions on the road. The squashed roof might look gimmicky after time though.

    The interior was a very good effort let down mostly by the fact that the leather (300C) didn't have a pleasing smell, though it looked very nice.

    I was mildly disappointed by the "Tortise-Shell" accents on the wheel and gearshift. They were opaque and looked like plood rather than translucent which would be a classy update on the translucent plastic often used in 50s and 60s designs.

    I liked the "Cool Vanilla" color on one of the 300Cs, a cream white alternative to the metallic colors so common now.

    2001 BMW 330ci/E46, 2008 BMW 335i conv/E93

  • wale_bate1wale_bate1 Posts: 1,986
    So Vanilla has no flake at all? Now that's cool. I saw it on the Dodge Magnum site, and I like the pics. The local Chrysler shop has silver only just now.

    Now there's a trend I'd dearly love to see: non-flake colors. Just give me a yard-deep red or green or cream and keep the flake for the pimpers!

    Not that I have an opinion or anything...
  • lemkolemko Philadelphia, PAPosts: 15,306 the lot at work today.
  • badgerfanbadgerfan Posts: 1,565
    After seeing very few of either of these for the longest time and only briefly at that, I saw both on the freeway going same direction as me yesterday(only slower). I can't say much good about the sedan styling, but oddly, the Maxx struck me as better looking than the sedan.

    Can't really swallow the styling much on either, though. Hard to believe GM couldn't do better than this. Chevy's broad chrome strip just looks like a styling edict forced on the designers from on high in the Chevy management ranks, and how it actually looks in execution be d***ed.
  • andre1969andre1969 Posts: 23,549
    about those non-metallic colors in the past is that they were much, much more resistant to fading and "crows-footing", "spider-webbing", or whatever you want to call it than the metallic colors were, although with newer cars and improved paints, this might be pretty much a non-issue.
  • vikdvikd Posts: 187
    ...saw a Merc SLR and both versions of the Scion during lunch in La Jolla.

    That SLR was awesome! Not that it makes much difference I guess, but a woman was behind the wheel...

    Regards... Vikd
  • lemkolemko Philadelphia, PAPosts: 15,306
    ...Chrysler 300 while stopped at a light this morning. It was white and appeared to be the "regular" 300. The taillights on this car remind me of those on the 1989 Chrysler New Yorker.
  • vikdvikd Posts: 187
    ...saw the same thing in the Torrey Pines parking lot; the first base 300 i've seen. The local Chry shops have up til now only had either Limited's or C's.

    Regards... Vikd
  • andre1969andre1969 Posts: 23,549
    I drove up to PA on Saturday and met with Grbeck, and we went to the Spring Carlisle swap meet. I saw 10 300's on the road going up there! And then we saw one at a car dealer, a white one with the 3.5, but I forget if it was a Limited or a Touring.

    Okay, I gotta come clean. Those 10 300's I saw? They were on a an auto carrier heading southbound, so I guess that doesn't really count! ;-)

    The first 300 I ever saw actually WAS a base model. Three Saturdays ago, I was out with a buddy of mine. He needed to get a new headlight assembly for his '95 Grand Marquis, and while we were out we stopped at a Chrysler dealer to see if they had any 300's. They had a silver base model that stickered for $24,995. While we were there though, the C came back from a test drive. Nice, pretty $35K Magnesium model. Me want!!
  • andys120andys120 Loudon NHPosts: 20,557
    I doubt you'd have any trouble fitting into it.

    Here's a little irony about the Cool Vanilla..
    White was a popular color for the original C-300,
    300B/C/D (only available in black white or Red IIRC). Most 1950s cars that were white were really off-white or cream colored but the early 300s were a pure Snow white and stood out because of it.

    The irony is that Snow white has become nearly ubiquitous for white autos, so the new 300s go to an off-white and stand out because of it.

    2001 BMW 330ci/E46, 2008 BMW 335i conv/E93

  • kenjabikenjabi Posts: 76
    Last weekend, I saw a new BMW 5-Series AND a new 6-Series on the streets, both in black, for the first time. I didn't get a very long look at either, but the first impression was pretty good, definitely better than the 7-series.

    Also saw a yellow SSR--again, first time I've seen that model, but it was too far away to really form an opinion. But it stood out, even from afar.
  • andre1969andre1969 Posts: 23,549
    I didn't do a test drive, but at least got to do a test-sit on the 300, and it fit me just fine! I actually had my worries about this car, because going just however they measure it, it somehow comes up less than the Intrepid. The Intrepid is rated at 42.2", and I think the 300 is rated at 41.8".

    Now most people would say hey, that's not even a half-inch. However, my Intrepid is barely adequate for me! On longer trips, I end up driving barefoot, so that I can stretch out my legs a bit further. So naturally, I was worried about a car that actually had less! BTW, IIRC a Camry also has about 41.8" of legroom up front, and I find them to be a bit cramped for legroom.

    Anyway, all those fears went away when I sat in the car, and put the seat so far back that I couldn't even comfortably reach the steering wheel! It does have the tilt-telescope feature standard, but honestly on the cheap models it's a clunky, awkward thing that feels easy to break.

    IMO, the interior does show a few signs of cost cutting, but that's pretty much par for the course nowadays, so it's nothing I'd single out the 300 in particular for. Still, I'd rate it a bit below my Intrepid. Mainly for little things, like the cheap looking carpeting, the cloth on the seats that looks something you'd use on indoor/outdoor furniture, and the sparse-looking door panels. Call me old fashioned, but I like to see some carpeting, and fabric that matches the seats! Enough with this stuff that you actually have to push against with all your might, just to see if it's soft-touch or hard!
  • lemkolemko Philadelphia, PAPosts: 15,306
    ...look significantly better inside or do all the extra bucks go toward the powertrain? I'd like to check out a 300-C in the future. Andre, would you say the 300-C is at least comparatively as luxurious as my old M-body Fifth Avenue?
  • stickguystickguy Posts: 33,262
    just do it, you know you want to. Sell the fleet (except for the Pick up, keep that for dirt duty) and get a nice 300C with leather. Just don't look at the payment number when you sign the papers.

    Could be a good story for "inconsiderate buyers" when you show up with 5 hidden trades!

    2019 Acura TLX A-spec 4 cyl. (mine), and 2013 Acura RDX AWD (wife's)

  • wale_bate1wale_bate1 Posts: 1,986
  • seminole_kevseminole_kev Posts: 1,722
    in my personal opinion the 300C does look much nicer inside than the lesser models. I've sat in both recently and the lesser models look somewhat cheap to me (although in reality, it is probably about right for the $25K and under market save for Audi/VW interiors). But the 300C looked nicer. Has chrome and faux-metal accents plus the either Tortoise shell or wood interior accents. It looks nicer to me. Plus the leather is of a better quality than the other versions.

    Just my two cents.
  • andre1969andre1969 Posts: 23,549
    I'd say that, compared to something like an M-body 5th Avenue, it's really a hard call. If you like a car like a 5th Ave, and equate that to luxury, than the newer models are just going to look cheap for the most part. Similarly, I don't think there's a Buick made at any price today that's as nice inside as my Grandma's '85 LeSabre Limited was.

    For instance, the carpeting they used in nicer cars back then simply puts the newer stuff to shame, and in general they just padded things better back then. Not necessarily in cheaper cars, but nicer cars were pretty plush. Also, Chrysler went out of their way in the 5th Ave to cover things like the A- and B-pillar trim with fabric that matched the headliner, instead of just leaving hard, exposed plastic. And the dashboard on the M-bodies used a high-quality type of padding that's very resistant to cracking, and has almost a leather-like texture.

    Now, the parts fit together better on the 300 than they did on the old M-body cars. Gaps are tighter and more even, and the window frames are thicker, so you're not getting in with a wire hanger, like I used to with my old Gran Fury!

    BTW Lemko, there was this gorgeous '88 (I think) 5th Avenue at Carlisle this past weekend for sale. It was white, and looked showroom new. Maybe it's a sad commentary on these types of shows that cars like this are starting to show up so frequently, but this sucker WAS nice! They wanted something like $4400 for it, which was pretty extreme for something of that vintage. But damn, was it schweet!

    Oh yeah, one area where the 300 definitely comes up superior to the M-body in comfort, is the steering wheel. I love the legroom on the M-body, and the footwell area is wider than on the 300, so your legs aren't as tight together. But the steering wheel on the old M- is just a bit too close for my comfort.
  • andys120andys120 Loudon NHPosts: 20,557
    it didn't smell nice. An upholsterer once told me that's because they don't use the best leather.

    2001 BMW 330ci/E46, 2008 BMW 335i conv/E93

  • andre1969andre1969 Posts: 23,549
    I almost had another added to that list. My Granddad, who's going to be turning 90 in October, decided not to renew his license. So he's giving up his '94 Taurus. My Dad called me at work today and asked me if I wanted it, because they'd give it to me. At first I said yes, but then thought more about it, and called him back and said no. It was a good learning experience for me, because I think I've actually lost count of how many "free" cars have been dumped on me! Free isn't always a good thing, when you have to get it inspected, insured, find a place in the yard for it, fix it when it breaks, etc.
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