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  • andys120andys120 Loudon NHPosts: 21,305
    I saw a silver one @ dealer and another in dark olive green (nice color!) in a parking lot.

    Is it just me or does the Masgnum look smaller than it is while the 300/300C looks bigger than it is?

    2001 BMW 330ci/E46, 2008 BMW 335i conv/E93

  • player4player4 Posts: 362
    Also saw a Chrysler 300 base package in black, this color looks great on this [email protected]!
  • ghuletghulet Posts: 2,628
    ....are black or charcoal gray, too! Today I saw my first Jeep Wrangler Unlimited (the new LWB model).
  • andre1969andre1969 Posts: 23,880
    I don't think it's just you...I see the same thing when it comes to size perception. I haven't seen a Magnum in person yet, but I do think the 300/300C look bigger than they really are. Truth be told, they're only about the size of a Taurus or Century, and a bit shorter overall than a LeSabre, Impala, or Intrepid, but they just have that massive, hulking look.

    I'm still impressed that, as tall as the cars are, IMO at least, they hide it very well. You'd think a relatively stubby car with a high beltline and smallish windows would look really top-heavy and tipsy, but I don't think they do at all.

    I think most of the 300's I've seen so far have been silver! I saw two Magnesium ones though at a dealership in Carlisle PA over the weekend. I'm definitely in lust with them!
  • lemkolemko Philadelphia, PAPosts: 15,306
    ...a new red Pontiac GTO travelling south on Rte 1 in Langhorne, PA.
  • seminole_kevseminole_kev Posts: 1,722
    glad you mentioned that! I had forgotten that yesterday I saw my first new GTO out on the road. Nice dark blue. Barely even noticed it was anything special. I almost missed the fact it was a GTO, which as a car guy says a lot I think about how bland the styling of that car is.
  • andys120andys120 Loudon NHPosts: 21,305
    It's what the French call trompe l'oeil. The high-beltline/squashed roofline makes the car look shorter than it is
    but somehow the high-waisted Magnum comes off smaller than it is.

    That severe taper to the Magnum's roof line n the back takes away a lot of storage space. I have the same thing on my A4 to a lesser degree and it's noticeably smaller in back than the similar Passat.
    It's for sure there won't be any third row seating in the back of the Magnum.

    Still haven't seen any Goats in these parts. I even swung by a dealership.

    I did see a silver CTS-V in front of a dealership, I kinda liked it.

    Silver is by far the most common color for the 300/330C but I don't think it's the best, I'm partial to Cool Vanilla. I'm surprised I haven't seen any blues or reds.

    2001 BMW 330ci/E46, 2008 BMW 335i conv/E93

  • seminole_kevseminole_kev Posts: 1,722
    As far as the new 300's go, I've seen:

    Silver (looked good)
    Black (looked great)
    Dark blue (looked great)
    White (don't like)
    Dark, Dark red (didn't look bad, but just don't like the color)
  • I saw 3 Ford Escape Hybrid's with Michigan manufacturer plates traveling through Pittsburgh, PA yesterday. I was pacing one through the Squirl Hill tunnels and there was no noise from the engine. Must have had the ICE off.
  • seminole_kevseminole_kev Posts: 1,722
    or it had stalled ;-)
  • steven2steven2 Posts: 37
    I've seen plenty of new XJ8's, thought they looked terrific, but nothing out of the ordinary. But then I saw an XJ8 from behind for the first time. I was stunned at how elegant it looked, if a common person saw that they could easily confuse it for a $150K car. What's remarkable is, after comparing it to a prev. generation XJ, how little they had to tweak the exterior styling to get the desired effect. I regret not looking at it better when I bought my LS430, or a Jag might be sitting in my garage right now.
  • seminole_kevseminole_kev Posts: 1,722
    I have to admit to being somewhat biased in favor of Jags, but I really like how "classy" the new XJ8 looks compared to others in its class. Now other cars are probably better long term values such as the LS430 and MB S-class, but they just aren't remotely as pretty as the XJ is to me. But again I'm admittedly somewhat biased towards Jags, and in particular, their styling. So my opinion on styling could be a very tiny minority.

    *should have added that I think the new XJ really meets up well to Jaguar's old advertisments of "Grace, Pace, Space".
  • wale_bate1wale_bate1 Posts: 1,986
    Agreed, agreed, agreed!

    I see them fairly regularly now, and the aura around them is solid enough to slice with a knife! As a styling statement, it's a superlative.

    I also seem to read little but good press as well. It's a bigger car than I'd want, but certainly it's more than beautiful enough, IMO, to desire anyway.

    Tough call for me, were I looking in the class, would be between the A8L and the XJ. That would be delightfully unbearable conundrum...
    ;-)
  • steven2steven2 Posts: 37
    Agree with you 100%. I didn't get my LS for looks. It was a big step up from what I had before, I liked Toyota's, I didn't want to get burned with reliabilty issues.
  • andys120andys120 Loudon NHPosts: 21,305
    Curiously I saw my first new XJ8 this PM, or at least the first I've noted (it does look a lot like it's predecessor). Like yourself I'd be torn between the two aluminum wonders if I had the dough.

    I wouldn't say it looks like $150k, as Steven did, but what sedan does?

    2001 BMW 330ci/E46, 2008 BMW 335i conv/E93

  • stormdavystormdavy Posts: 83
    Saw a new Magnum here-- the driver looked hand-picked as to what a "typical" buyer might be: tan, middle-aged male. The dark blue-green metallic is a winning color for that car: it looked big to me. Fun, powerful...maybe a bit heavy.
    Our local Pontiac dealer has two GTOs which are going begging: a black auto and red 6-speed. They have "V-8" written in large white letters on the windshield.
  • andys120andys120 Loudon NHPosts: 21,305
    seen leading a live car chase thru South LA this afternoon on Fox News. It appeared to be a new Magnum, it was a low wagon with a definite taper and headlights that wrapped up onto hood. Never saw a close-up, only long shots from TV Helicopters.

    BTW- the chase ended when, after successfully leading the cops thru dozens of intersections and narrow side streets w/o getting blocked or hit the "robbers" drove up onto a lawn stopped and ran out of the car. One of 'em is still holed up inside the house.

    Dunno why they stopped, the way they were going they could've gone all the way to Sacramento at least.

    2001 BMW 330ci/E46, 2008 BMW 335i conv/E93

  • setzersetzer Posts: 127
    a Dodge Magnum, Scion xB, and 2005 Toyota Matrix. They were all driving on the streets of Portland, not at a dealer.
  • andys120andys120 Loudon NHPosts: 21,305
    Volkswagens aren't supposed to sell well, I'm seeing a lot of VW Touregs in these parts.

    IMO it's the best looking of the SUVs that are truly off-roadable, including it's cousin at Porsche......Inside and out.

    2001 BMW 330ci/E46, 2008 BMW 335i conv/E93

  • player4player4 Posts: 362
    2, 2004 Infiniti QX56
    2005 Scion tC
    2005 Chevrolet Equinox
  • lemkolemko Philadelphia, PAPosts: 15,306
    ...my first Dodge Magnum going east on Rhawn Street in NE Philly. This one was black and is much nicer in person than it is in pictures.
  • stickguystickguy Posts: 37,664
    A silver Magnum on I95 outside DC. Kinda interesting looking, but I'm not sure I liked the squashed rear end. Certainly makes an impression, and has a huge grill/front end. It was next to a gen 1 Durango at one point, and you could certainly see the family relationship.

    2019 Acura TLX A-spec 4 cyl. (mine), and 2020 Acura RDX tech SH-AWD (wife's)

  • setzersetzer Posts: 127
    I saw a white Magnum driving down the freeway, it was going to opposite direction so I couldn't tell if it was one of the Hemi ones, but I could tell it was a Magnum. Then I saw 2 Chrysler 300s, one I knew for sure was a 300C 'cuz it was in the lane next to me and then the other on I saw was heading the opposite direction, but I got a pretty good look at it 'cuz I wasn't on the freeway. That's all.
  • odmanodman Posts: 309
    Yesterday I saw one of the new smart fortwo cars tooling around in suburban Toronto. Although the U.S. isn't scheduled to get them, Canadians can now buy them. The little blue 2-seater was quite striking -- much taller than most other cars and with a distinctive coffee grinder exhaust note.

    The owner was obviously giving demonstration rides to all of his friends -- one at a time. Guys -- forget the Lambo, THIS is definitely a babe-magnet!
  • seminole_kevseminole_kev Posts: 1,722
    I saw my first, actually out on the road Dodge Magnum today in traffic. Was painted a nice glossy black. Saw it way out from behind it and I at first thought it was a previous generation VW Golf, but it didn't look quite right. Caught up to it before I had to exit off. Looked quite nice. The black helped it look much smaller than I expected. Definetly looked much smaller (visual effect I know) than a black 300C.
  • andre1969andre1969 Posts: 23,880
    I saw a black PT Cruiser convertible, with the top up. This was the first time I've seen one, other than in a showroom. At a quick glance, from the rump it makes me think of those old bustleback Jags or Rolls Royces that Bill Mitchell cribbed for the 1980 Seville.

    Not *bad* looking, but it does look like an afterthought compared to the regular PT Cruiser 4-door.
  • player4player4 Posts: 362
    I saw a Silver 2005 Chrysler PT Cruiser Convertible it was nice .
  • seminole_kevseminole_kev Posts: 1,722
    being test driven at the dealership as I went by this weekend. Doesn't look bad with the top up, but I don't like the B-pillars that are still there when the top is down.
  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    This is an odd one - I saw a new Nissan Micra the other day, with diplomatic plates. Must have been a European diplomat.

    Nissan will bring the Cube here, so maybe small cars like this will make it one day?

    Magnums are common here in DC. I spent 3 days in Vegas recently and we counted something like 17 Chrysler 300s, oddly I have only seen one here at home in a month since. Maybe those were rental cars?

    -juice
  • andre1969andre1969 Posts: 23,880
    talking about wanting to get a 300 as a rental for a vacation he's planning on taking. They quoted him $125 a day!! So evidently, even as rental cars, they're a pretty hot item.

    Now I don't know the trim level. I'm sure it's probably not a Hemi. I'd imagine most of the rental 300's would just be the base model, wouldn't they? Or maybe a few Tourings and Limiteds?
  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    No idea. Haven't rented in a while.

    I did, finally, see a Mazda6 wagon on the road. Amazing, Mazda wins the Guiness Book of World Records award for the slowest intro of a new body style.

    I saw this car at NAIAS in April 2002. So that took 2 years and 3 months for a new body style to show up on the roads.

    -juice
  • steven2steven2 Posts: 37
    gmc canyon crew cab on the road yesterday. pretty good size, it was driving next to a late 90's ranger i think, the size diference was enourmous. can't wait to see the new dakota in person
  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    What happened to "compact" trucks?

    -juice
  • ghuletghulet Posts: 2,628
    ...that happened to the fabled 'mini' van, I think. Yes, they are still smaller than traditional large vans, but I think that's because those have grown as well. Put a mid-80s GM van next to a new Chrysler minivan, I doubt there's much difference in size.
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  • andys120andys120 Loudon NHPosts: 21,305
    the first one I've seen in the electric blue they use in the ads, very nice. The 5-door lookes nicer when you see it than in photos.

    2001 BMW 330ci/E46, 2008 BMW 335i conv/E93

  • kenjabikenjabi Posts: 76
    While driving last weekend, I saw two VW Phaetons, both black. It was the first time I'd seen one. It looked pretty much how I figured, like a mix between an Audi A8 and a stretched Passat. It looks nice and roomy and all, but I still wouldn't pay $70K+ for one.
  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    I've only seen one so far, and usually hot luxury cars are abundant in Potomac, MD. I don't think they're selling well at all.

    -juice
  • wale_bate1wale_bate1 Posts: 1,986
    I have yet to see a Phaeton on the road here in the SF Bay Area. None. Nada. Nil.

    Gimme the A8L, says I!
  • andys120andys120 Loudon NHPosts: 21,305
    Not til I get mine!

    It took a couple of generations and a dozen years for the A8 to be recognized as an equivalent to the S-Class/7-Series/XJ8, even though Audi was already seen as a luxury brand. VW says they understand this
    but no one wants to spend the money to help Volkswagen achieve Luxury brand status.

    I can't say as I blame them.

    2001 BMW 330ci/E46, 2008 BMW 335i conv/E93

  • wale_bate1wale_bate1 Posts: 1,986
    I have no experience in a Benz service department, but I can say that if the Phaeton buyer is subject to typical VWUSA service and attitude, who could blame the well-heeled for dropping their kopecks somewhere else?

    Heck, VW shops make Toyota shops feel all Lexusy, by comparison!
  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    Surely dealers that sell Phaetons got some extra training. Do all VW dealers get them, or only some? I bet they need at least a brand-exclusive show room.

    -juice
  • wale_bate1wale_bate1 Posts: 1,986
    Well, there is some sort of selection criteria, but stand alone doesn't appear to be it. I used the dealer locater on the site, and within 50 miles of me there are 21 VW dealers of which 11 sell Phaeton. I'm familiar with one of them, and its a multi-brand center.

    I'm assuming it's a volume or maybe demographic thing. Or maybe there are those who just won't pony up for the program and its attendent expenses?
  • andys120andys120 Loudon NHPosts: 21,305
    isn't very large but serves affluent areas and does sell Phaetons. Can't say their service is five star either.

    2001 BMW 330ci/E46, 2008 BMW 335i conv/E93

  • andre1969andre1969 Posts: 23,880
    when I happened to look out the window. They're still a pretty rare sight around here, but the thing that was really interesting about this one is that it has a sunroof! I didn't think they were available with a sunroof yet.

    So has GM wisened up and started offering a sunroof, or do y'all think this was an aftermarket job?
  • ghuletghulet Posts: 2,628
    ...you're right, Andre, word had it that the GTO was not offered with a sunroof, either because the roof area is too short in length or because there isn't enough headroom to offer one, I imagine. It seems like domestics have been slow in general to equip their cars with sunroofs, which is kinda sad seeing as how they've been standard or at least frequently so-equipped on most upper end Japanese and Euro cars for the past twenty years or so.

    I guess I missed it, but apparently there was a Maybach in front of the house today, and not the blue 57 I saw a few weeks ago (my brother said it was gold, not sure which model). Apparently a friend of our neighbor is a sales rep for them, so we see them once in a while.

    As for Phaetons, I haven't seen one on the road yet at all.
  • player4player4 Posts: 362
    2004 Porsche 911 TurboCabriolet Yellow top-down, it was amazing!!!
    2004 Pontiac GTO in Black
    2005 Chrysler 300 in Black nice and muscular looking!!
  • andys120andys120 Loudon NHPosts: 21,305
    I'm starting to like the "Bangleized" 5er better.
    This silver unit looked quite nice on the highway.

    I took a long look at it in rear view after I passed him and tought the new face comes off better than I originally thought.

    I didn't even notice the awkward cut for the trunk line as I passed it from behind. Do I like it as much as the E39? No, but there's hardly any four-door on the road I like as much as the E39 five series (I may shop for one this fall).

    2001 BMW 330ci/E46, 2008 BMW 335i conv/E93

  • a_l_hubcapsa_l_hubcaps Posts: 518
    I saw a Maybach in Morristown, NJ the other day...it pulled up next to me at a light! I didn't catch which model it was, though. I'm also seeing a big increase in 2005 Chrysler 300s around here. There was kind of a delayed response in this area -- I didn't see many when they first came out, but now they are taking off.

    One car that is conspicuous in its absence is the 2004 Galant. The 1999-2003 Galant was a hot seller in my region, but the new one seems to have done a face-plant. I hope Mitsu doesn't go under like some analysts are predicting -- it's always disappointing to see a brand fail. Though I bet the losers at DCX will be happy to buy up the assets at bargain prices after the bankruptcy :-/

    -Andrew L
  • fintailfintail Posts: 50,813
    Saw my first Scion coupe today. Not bad looking
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