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Optima has 3100lb.
I think with Optima, I would loaded it with 4 cylinder EX, that would come closer to $20K. It will come with more than Elantra Lux Edition.
If you add all the options on Elantra, would it come closer to $17K? So, About $3K difference...
By the way, there is now a $2000 cash rebate or $1000/2.9% financing on Sonata.
I'm sure it can do a good 27 mpg , and about a 8.7-9 seconds 0-60. Thats std
But what we are forgetting is about this cars overall package, is just disgustingly good. Look at the interior, and the exterior, unique but good. Classy is the word, compared to the civics which is just utterly sporty and mass produced look.
I'm sure when the GT comes it will have a bigger engine and by 2nd year it should get an upgrade to more power or dual vvt.
This company has been giving customers so much bargain with hard work and crap, i don't know what else you want.
And lastly you haven't told me, how about toyota and their 5 year engine carry over? What do you think about the jettas engine? Calibre may have a better modified engine, but i'll tell you one thing, it prob won't come close to quality crafmanship of the elantra in whole.
Just got done waxing mine. All the flat surfaces like the roof, hood, and trunk have small blemishes coming through unlike the sides that still look new.
But at least the paint isn't peeling off like the roof of a Chevy S-10 I had. LOL
My 2004 with M/T has a svelte curb weight of 2635.
I also don't want Hyundai to dump a good thing, like they are doing with the seat height adjusters on the Elantra and most other new models.
When Toyota has an all-new engine, they use it--e.g. the 268 hp V6 in the Avalon, RAV4, now the Camry. And forget about 5-year engine carryover--the Beta engine dates back to the Gen 2 Elantra from 10 years ago; it was updated with CVVT heads for '04.
Cruising at 70mph at 2900 rpm is just too high. That gets me about 34-35mpg with a 5 spd.
If Hyundai doesn't want to offer a 6 spd tranny, they should offer a final drive ratio of 3.42.
There's plenty of cruising torque at 2700 rpm. It would probably increase the hwy mpg figures to 37-38 at 70 mph.
38-39 mpg at 65. Up there with Toyota and Honda.
I can't figure why there don't address this issue.
I think they mentioned something about a torque converter lock-up for the 2007 auto to improve hwy cruising mpg.
The Elantra had a 1.8 liter up to 1998.
2011 Hyundai Sonata, 2014 BMW 428i convertible, 2015 Honda CTX700D
I know when we the first photo's started showing up for the new Sonata a lot of people were in shock and a lot of the first messages about it were not very positive. However as time went on and people learned just how superior the new Sonata was going to be over the previous model most people never looked back. No doubt the new Elantra will be far superior over the current model and will likely have the same affect.
This is not to say that I am not concerned about a few key issues. For starters it looks like Hyundai is getting a bit arrogant with pricing. I have seen it with the new Accent and now the new Elantra if its true. 18K to 20K for an Elantra is pretty high. Even a loaded one should not touch the 20K barrier. I know Hyundai has made great strides in quality but (and I hate to say it) they are still a Hyundai. People will look in price guides and see the Elantra priced at 18K to 20K and then see the same price for a Civic and will never give the Elantra a try. Sure the Elantra will likely offer large rebates but most people don't know about these until they stop at the dealer. I take it this is the hardest part is actually getting the customer at the dealer to try your product.
It would be nice to see the Elantra debut with a new and more powerful powerplant. Especially if the new design is larger and heavier. However I am not sure if its such a big deal in reality. Its very common to see a manufacture stick with a proven engine for a very long time. Even in some cases practically forever
One thing for sure though... with all the emphasis Hyundai put on the Elantra's safety features, the car had better score high in the IIHS crash tests. Hope Hyundai did their homework there.
The Elantra, on the other hand was given to the Korean studio, like the Azera and Accent. Hyundai Korea has a habit of being a bit controlling and a little perculiar when it comes to their designs. I find them leaning towards 'frumpy jellybeans' rather than 'athletic' and 'lean' designs of their American and Europeon studios. If you have read anything about past designs, the first gen. Santa Fe was nearly nixed by the Execs in Korea because they thought it was far too aggressive. It is now a dated design and was a bit busy, but in hind-sight it was the right Santa Fe for the right time and put Hyundai on the map. Alot of people love that design(and alot hated it too) but it certainly garnered the attn. Hyundai needed upon release.
I would have liked to have seen Hyundai follow the Audi-esque styling of the Sonata on this Elantra, but they didn't. I think they'll still sell about 100,000+ of these Elantras, but I also forsee a very quick refreshing of the front and rear ends of this car. The engine is not an issue because what is there now is fine. You have to make money on this redesign.
Don't forget and Hyundai can't do this 24/7 and offer all new engines with all their designs. I also think they put new engines in the vehicles that will give them the most profit ala Sonata, Azera, Santa Fe. The Elantra is a bargain compact and they just cant go jackin the price way up on this. As it is, Hyundai is dropping about $250,000,000 on redesigns. Hyundai is also leading the worlds automakers in R&D spending with about 10% of their profit headed in that direction. When people think they know what Hyundai is or is going to be, just remember they will be changing quicker than is imagineable due to these percentages of R&D spending. Also, Hyundai has hired over 1,000 engineers to see them to this World's Top 5 goal. Just today, I read a report about GM and Fords best people being lost to Toyota and Hyundai.
I think the interior is a complete home run. In fact, I like the Elantra interior better than the Sonata because the center stack flows better and looks like an advanced or evolutionary design of the Sonatas interior. If they would just touch up the front and rear end, they would have a huge car on their hands.
I am one of those who think the current Santa Fe is pretty ugly.
I totally agree.
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Hyundai already was conservative (stately) with, both, the Sonata and Azera. The Elantra should really be aimed at a younger demo so they work through the reat of the lineup as they age. Put a little emotion into the purchase. It worked like gangbusters for the Civic.
I particularly like the Accord-like steering wheel and gauges. The center stack also looks pretty clean with nice large buttons.
They're not going to have to undercut Honda that much any longer, certainly not 3k. This car's looks will stir some emotion so people are going to want to buy it as opposed to having to buy it.
You kidding me? With the same 2.0 Beta engine that is in my 2004 Elantra that is noisy, underpowered (same 138 HP at 6000 RPMS), gets only decent mileage, and generally a bore to drive??
And to hear this model will sticker decently equipped at 16-17K??? Apparently, Hyundai forgot about the new Civic, Mazda3 and new Golf (Rabbit).
And you guys are excited about this???
I agree the engine looks like the big weak spot right now. But I have a hunch that Hyundai will remedy that problem in the not too distant future. One thing about the Beta engine, though... it has good torque, so it's a flexible engine, and doesn't need a lot of stick-rowing to get it underway. And it can cruise easily at 1800 rpms. As for noisy, I only find it gets noisy over 4000 rpms--where I seldom need to take it.
As with other Hyundais, I don't pay much attention to the sticker price, but the out-the-door price. I expect some dealers will try to get full sticker for the car for awhile after launch, but "rebates will come, Ray; rebates will most definitely come."
To be honest with you, i hate the civics engine sometimes, especially as a sedan where you may have to carry lots of people. Its torque being at 120 something is too low. And mazda does have a good engine, but the car is 2 to 3 k more expensive.
I don't know what kind of power you are looking for, but i have been on my friends spectra5 and it was a very good performaning car. Its engine was smooth, and it pulled good enough.
The world engine will be in by the 2 or 3rd year into production, prob late 2007. Its all stratgegy and costs
I want to give my GLS to my daughter this fall and get a new car and Hyundai is at the top of the list. Of course, that may be easier said than done as my daughter doesn’t want to learn how to drive a stick. What is it with kids today? When I turned 16 I begged my dad to let me have a stick. In fact, my first car was a “3 on a tree” (column shift). If she doesn’t take my car maybe I’ll wait a little longer. Who knows, with my current commute maybe I’ll pick up one of the new diesels in a year or two. Are you listening Hyundai?
I wondered about the transmission choice a few posts ago. Maybe Hyundai thinks they can get away with a 4-speed auto on the Elantra because few competitors offer more than that right now.
I too had plans to turn my beloved '01 GLS 5-speed over to a child, my oldest son, at this point. Only 40k on it, lots of warranty left. But he goes to a private school and there apparently is a stigma associated with Hyundais. I told him to get over it, but after he broke the clutch on it last summer ($1300) I figured maybe it wasn't such a bad idea getting him something else. So he has a 2000 626 I4 automatic and loves it.
I imagine the Elantra will be roughly the same price if not more.
Touch decision
I don't believe cars at this level the mid compact have timing chains. Expensive tech.
Man i saw the edmunds video for this car. Pure luxury in make. The interior absolutely destroys anything like it right now.
Golf 2 door base price starts at 15K; but I would imagine once comparably equipped (4 door for starter), and with options added, it would top over 20K. Elantra will not.
Based on the value factor alone, the Elantra is a good buy. Adding to that the vast improvements over the outgoing model, this will easily sell over 100K/year
I will say that my 2000 Elantra is also without a doubt the most reliable car I have ever had. It is a good car and will be a strong contender to replace my daily drive when it finally dies (hopefully many years in the future).
If that is true, why not put the 5-speed in the Elantra?
Not sure that adding another gear is the best way to go. Most times the final gear ratio is pretty much the same either way. I think what Hyundai needs to do is offer a CVT.
Also, why no man-u-matic feature?
If you want to shift the Elantra does come in a manual.
Who knows, with my current commute maybe I’ll pick up one of the new diesels in a year or two.
Actually I am somewhat interested in the Accent Hybrid thats supposed to come out soon.
2011 Hyundai Sonata, 2014 BMW 428i convertible, 2015 Honda CTX700D
Well said Pilot. I agree. This Hyundai Elantra I have been reading about all over different boards. From the reaction the exterior has received a lukewarm BUT by far the interior has received most positive accolades of them all.
I really think that this is arguably one of the best looking interior that I've seen from this manufacturer to date. I see Hyundai stepping upstream with this re-design in this segment.
And the 2dr Rabbit is pretty much optioned out as standard. Not really any options to buy:
But the point may be moot tomorrow, if the dealer can match the very lowball offer I'm about to make on an '05 GT...
Curious to find out why are you posting all these VW info? This is the Elantra forum last time I checked.
backy are you happy now?? with 4 more mpg that leads it to 28-29 mpg and put it simliar to the civics 140 horses and 128 torque(vs 138 horses and 136 torque). Rumor has it on a korean car site , the new gema engines won't be in these cars till mid-late 2nd year or early third year of this cars life(makes sense when it wants to compete with the new 2008 corolla). Hyundai does not care about competeing against any other companies but toyota at this point. I presume the new engines will have dual vvt and up to 33 mpg which will be a good level against the corolla. (remember also the gt which is coming in the mid late 2nd year or early 3rd year, will get a good 170 horses).
My lease is up end of next year, i'm definitely eyeing this car, its exterior is not regular, but definitely modern. It makes you want to look at it for a while
VW was one of the most unreliable cars for last decade and that's why it didn't sell.
hell, everything about VW is overpriced. jetta, beetle, passat, toureg, golf, and phaeton.
all of them are overpriced just because they are german.
however, i'm sure elantra will be significantly cheaper than the golf.
If the new GEMA engines do appear for 2008, or even 2009, that will be just about right for my buying timeframe.
One thing to note: marketing people aren't idiots. If the engine in the 2007 Elantra were "new", as the Edmunds capsule summary says, then I think Hyundai's marketeers would have found some way of mentioning that fact in the detailed press release they issued the other day. No mention of a "new" engine there, however. Also, if that new engine, or even the old engine, were tuned for 4 mpg more fuel economy, I would think they would have mentioned that too, if not with numbers then in some other way. Not a word on that.
Go to the official 2007 Elantra site and watch the 6:45 "Press Conference" video in the gallery section. The presenter mentions the mpg improvement there.
There will be a 2007 Elantra in the $15k range. But it may not have all the equipment of today's GLS. Yet it will have other nice features such as side curtains, more room, and a much nicer interior. As for an Accent below $10k, the Accent GS 3-door will start at $11.5k with destination, so it might be possible to find one around $10k if there's a rebate on the car.
I was glad to hear at the beginning of the video that the '07 Elantra will be the "safest sedan in its class." Which means I will expect Good/Good/Good on the IIHS crash tests, like the Civic. It would be the first Hyundai to score that well--unless the Accent, Azera, Santa Fe, or Entourage does it first.
The other thing about the "safest car in its class" claim: I wonder if Hyundai is planning to add electronic stability control to the Elantra's options list, to match the Corolla? ESC is considered an important safety feature by many. If Hyundai really is seeing Toyota as its main competitor, that would be a natural move and in keeping with the claim of "safest car in its class."
I hope you mean overall wise because there is no way that hyundai does not do 28-29 city and 35-37 highway being in the range of 33mpg.
Its engine has more torque meaning it won't be as fuel efficient, but better pulling from the start(imp if your car is bigger or if u gonna have passengers).
And hyundai has rather mention the word "new" has called this eninge advanced. Big diffrence in words.
If you just take a look at the overall package(we should see about the test drive), this car should hurt the civic and mazda 3.