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2007 Hyundai Elantra

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  • mononeomononeo Posts: 89
    It is in the pictures that the Elantra has dual exhaust. No one can be sure what that means, but on other Hyundai vehicles, that means a six-cylinder plant. Tucson I-4s don't have dual exhaust, the new Sonata with I-4s doesn't have exhaust. Both of those cars with V6s do. This gives a strong notion that a V6 will be available in the new Elantra.

    The Tucson, with the old 2.7L V6 from the Sonata gets 20/26 with FWD. If you put that same engine into the new Elantra, it'd have to achieve better gas mileage. Signficantly better. The Tucson is essentially the Elantra crossover, so it is doable to put this engine in. If there is going to be a V6, this will be it.

    We also have to keep in mind that Hyundai is doing this "class-above" roominess thing. The new Sonata is a large car. The Rio (which is the same as the Accent now) has more room than Civic or Corolla nowadays. The Elantra is definitely going to be the largest car in it's class, perhaps a midsize car now. A 2.7L V6 doesn't seem all that improbably in a midsize car, either. With those conditions, the new Elantra could make a better family car as the current Sonata. It'd be about the same size, with more features, and better fuel economy.
  • backybacky Twin CitiesPosts: 18,910
    Actually, there is some disagreement that the pictures in Edmunds.com and other sources attributed to the '06 Elantra are actually that car. There is some opinion that it is actually the '06 Optima--which of course would have a V6 available. Time will tell...
  • bikerpabikerpa Posts: 68
    The Tucson is essentially the Elantra crossover, so it is doable to put this engine in.
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    For what it's worth, the Tiburon is also built on that platform. The Tib, however, has rather more room in the engine bay than the current-gen Elantra does, which is how they managed to cram the 2.7L V6 into it. That same V6 would require major modification to fit into an Elantra.

    This is all based on current models, though. The next-gen Elantra might just throw all that out the window.
  • mononeomononeo Posts: 89
    I am well aware that the push for a V6 would be a cramp in the current Elantra. The Elantra however, will definitely grow in size. The new Accent and Sonatas have both moved up into the next size class. I would expect this trend to continue into Elantra, and in this situation, a V6 would no longer be such a cramp.

    That same former-Sonata V6 (the 2.7L) is in both the Tiburon and the Tucson, which you brought up. It may actually be a situation where it is not expensive to have a V6 in the Elantra, as they'd be using the same exact parts and engineering that went into the Tiburon and Tucson V6 models.
  • backybacky Twin CitiesPosts: 18,910
    I really think a more likely scenario is for Hyundai to use the all-new 2.4L I-4 with CVVT and 160 hp as the upmarket engine in the new Elantra. It's likely lighter than the old 2.7L V6 and will have higher fuel economy. And it would be near the top in its class for power, matching the Mazda3s for example. I see Hyundai dropping the new V6 used in the NF Sonata into the next-gen Tiburon, as the old 2.7L V6 just doesn't make it anymore compared to the likes of the Cobalt SS coupe and the new Golf GTI. I also see Hyundai eventually using their new, larger V6 in the Tucson--after the initial market cools for the Tucson, and the Sonata has made a flash with the new engine. They'll probably also replace the old Beta engine in the Tucson with the new 2.4L engine, down the road. They don't want to hand out all their candy at once. ;-)
  • mononeomononeo Posts: 89
    While I agree with you for the most part, I think that it may provide some sort of a marketing scheme.

    "Come see the 2006 Elantra. With an available V6 and midsize interior accomodations, it's literally a step above the rest."
  • danf1danf1 Posts: 935
    Two problems with putting a V6 in an Elantra:

    1. Gas prices are not going down. Hyundai has been heavily criticized for their current mileage ratings. The new line of engines are supposed to be about 20% more fuel efficient than the current ones. Taking that into account, I would rather see the 2.4l engine in the elantra GT and the 2.0 in the GLS.

    2. Insurance costs will increase with a V6 in the Elantra. Seeing how many Elantra purchasers are younger, this is an extremely important factor to consider. Insurance has killed many vehicles in the past that people had the desire to own. Think Suzuki X-90. People in their early 20's loved it and wanted it. Unfortunately when their insurance payment was twice their car payment, they didn't buy it.
  • mononeomononeo Posts: 89
    Well the Tucson and Tiburon, both "youthful" cars both have that same V6 and this doesn't hinder their sales. Especially considering insurance. Also, insurance companies realize the difference between an underpowered V6 and the newer kind of high-output V6s you see in the Accord, Altima, and now the Sonata.

    Also, the FWD Tucson gets 20/26 with a V6 and automatic. If you put that into a car weighing less that was significantly more aerodynamic for not being so high off of the ground, seeing 24/30 is not that far off. Maybe even better.

    In all likelihood, there may not the a V6 Elantra. I just think that it is possible. Think back to the old Tiburon ads in car magazines that read "You won't say 'Oops! I could have had a V6."

    For myself, I would much rather see a 2.4 I-4 in the Elantra. It gets 26/34 with a manual in the new Sonata, so I think we should see at least 28/36 in the new Elantra.

    As for your X90 comment. I don't know of anyone that has ever held that car in high regard, or any regard at all, other than a few auto freaks. And they relish at the sight of one so as to make fun of it. It's like what the Aztek is to the SUV/minivan, but for cars like the Miata and pickups. Ew.
  • jimpimmsjimpimms Pittsfield MAPosts: 81
    I agree, the new 2.4L would be a welcome addition to the Elantra line, and especially so in the GT. It would not only elevate the desirability of that trim level, but it would also enhance the "Grand Touring" aspect of the badge. I don't foresee Hyundai offering the Elantra with a V-6 anytime soon, but the larger I-4 could be a distinct possibility, one that would likely not increase insurance rates appreciably. It would also be able to compete favorably, assuming some minor suspension tweaks, with the Mazda 3s.
  • backybacky Twin CitiesPosts: 18,910
    The new Elantra will be a '07 model, released no earlier than spring 2006.

    Why?

    1) No reliable sightings or pictures yet of the new Elantra. If it were coming out this fall, as reported by Edmunds.com and other sites, there would be sightings by now. There have even been undisguised photos of the new Santa Fe printed, and that vehicle isn't due out until late 2005 or early 2006.

    2) Hyundai hasn't shown this car in any of the major auto shows. But they have shown off their other new vehicles--Sonata, Accent, and Azera--that are due by the end of 2005. It is possible that Hyundai will do a Honda-esque rollout of the new Elantra, i.e. not say or show anything until the car is ready for production, but that would be unusual for Hyundai.

    3) Hyundai has a lot of other new vehicles to bring to market for 2005-6. They've just launched the Tucson, they have a major rollout in the near future with the Sonata, and they've stated that the Accent and Azera will debut this fall (and maybe the new Santa Fe). That doesn't leave many marketing dollars for their best-selling car, and it would dilute public attention for all the new cars if they rolled out the new Elantra this year.

    4) Hyundai has shown it is moving increasingly to a 6-year cycle for its cars, based on what they did with the Sonata and Accent. The Azera is an exception, being redone after only five years.

    Thus I think we'll have to wait for 2006 for the new Elantra. I just hope it's out for awhile before I have to buy my next car in the fall of 2006.
  • gogophers1gogophers1 Posts: 218
    I thought the Azera wasn't due out until Spring '06. I know they've stated they are coming out with three new models by the year end. So your prediction then assumes a swap between Azera and Elantra release dates. I dunno...

    Speaking of Hyundai's tight lips on the Elantra replacement, does anyone have any pics of the '06 model other than the sole one I've seen on this site?
  • gogophers1gogophers1 Posts: 218
    Hyundai just updated its site with information about a fall '05 Azera release. It does indeed appear that the next Elantra release is getting pushed out at least a few months longer. What a downer...
  • mononeomononeo Posts: 89
    I agree with all of you. I have been thinking for quite some time that it is unrealistic for all of us to expect a Fall '05 release date of the Elantra. As far as the 6-year cycles are concerned, I disagree with Backy. I would argue more along the lines of a 5-year cycle. Clearly, some of the models have recently gone under 6-year cycles, but that has a lot to do with their "24-7" product plan, a slumping Korean economy at the turn of the millenium, and brand repositioning with Kia. If Hyundai wants to really compete with Honda and Toyota like it says it does, there is no way they will go for a 6-year product cycle. In classes like the Sonata's, and Elantra's, six years might as well be fifteen... Certainly, long cycles have done little to hurt them recently, but that is because a lot of the buyers that are buying these cars didn't even have them on shopping lists five years ago. In 2001, the Elantra and Sonata were not recommended by Consumer Reports, or any other publication in fact; thus, I would argue that for a lot of people, these cars are relatively new. Also, at their current price points, which are slated to increase, their competition is with lower-end cars. For instance, $10-11k for an Elantra is not inline with Civic or Corolla, it is more inline with ECHOs, and the last generation of Cavalier, and they compete extremely favorably with those models, especially at that price.

    Another reason I think the Elantra isn't coming out this fall is that the Civic is coming out. The Accord is who they set the Sonata's sights upon, and the Civic/Elantra thing is not that different. The Civic is coming out this Fall, so it could be that they really want to see what is going to be in that car. From what I read online, the next Civic is going to have the same engine as the 160bhp Si in 99-00 as the base model (though, certainly revised somewhat), and 200bhp for the higher-end Si. If this is the case, I think it is fair to say we will see the 2.4L Sonata engine in the next Elantra... It has 160bhp.

    The Elantra will come out within six months after the Accent, which comes this Fall. The Accent is moving so much larger (it now has more room than a Civic or Corolla), and is no longer a subcompact, but a compact car in the NHTSA/EPA rating system. The Accent being this much more competitive, will certainly bite into the Elantra sales.
  • backybacky Twin CitiesPosts: 18,910
    It was 6+ years between redesigns for the Sonata--actually 6-1/2 for the U.S. It will be 6 years for the Accent. Hyundai used to adhere to a five-year cycle. So their lengthening cycles is a fact. Adding one year to their product cycle won't hurt them against the Japanese if the new designs are good.

    Maybe Hyundai is waiting to see what the '06 Civic looks like but I doubt that's the reason for delaying the new Elantra. The design for the next Elantra will be pretty set by this fall, if it's to debut in the spring. But we don't know that. It might not come until fall of '06.

    Hyundai's trend is clear--its vehicles are moving upmarket. That's necessary for the Elantra to combat the '06 Civic, which reportedly is moving upmarket, the Corolla, Mazda3, and Jetta. I just hope the new Elantra doesn't get too big. It's a nice size now. Another inch or two of rear leg room would be welcome.
  • mononeomononeo Posts: 89
    Seeing as how the new Accent has more interior volume than the current Elantra, you can expect the Elantra to grow in size tremendously. The new Azera is bigger than a 7-series BMW, and a Mercedes S-class. The new Sonata is about the same size as the Ford Five Hundred and Chrysler 300. The new Accent is bigger than Corolla, Civic, and the current Elantra... Then think about the fact that the Tucson is almost the same size as the current Santa Fe, which gives us the clear realization that the Santa Fe will move upmarket and larger; many sources say it will have three rows of seats. The Elantra will certainly be significantly, and noticeably larger. I highly doubt it is going to be a slight change in size, as the Elantra would then be left irrelevant... Also, if you see any of the many spy shots online, you can see that the car is clearly larger than the current model. Look at how big the people inside it look in relation to the car size itself, and then how big people look inside in pictures of the current model, and you can see that the new car is looking about the same size as the Ford Fusion which is due to come out soon.

    Just because a company delays release dates on one occasion does not mean that they are etching in stone that they will do it again. I still stand by my opinion that they will not move to a six year product cycle in the future.
  • backybacky Twin CitiesPosts: 18,910
    The new Accent is not bigger inside (or outside for that matter) than the current Elantra--at least not according to Hyundai's specs. If you have info to the contrary, please post it.

    Please also post any links you have that are definitively of the next-gen Elantra. There is some difference of opinion that the shots at Edmunds.com (shown at other sites also) attributed to the new Elantra are actually of the next-gen Optima.

    As proven by the next-gen Accent/Rio, a car can grow greatly in interior room without growing in length much. That is what I am hoping for with the next Elantra.
  • mpgmanmpgman Posts: 723
    CR just removed the Elantra from its recommended list since it rated "poor" in the new gov't side impact test. It also had other less than flattering things to say. Bummer.
  • alpha01alpha01 Posts: 4,747
    The new Sonata may have Ford Five Hundred like interior room, but its NOT nearly as large on the outside. Check the specs.

    ~alpha
  • backybacky Twin CitiesPosts: 18,910
    What does that have to do with the next-gen Elantra? With SABs/SACs standard and the benefit of Hyundai's engineers knowing about the IIHS side impact test before they finalized the car's design (unlike with the current Elantra), it should make a big difference on this test with the new Elantra.
  • mononeomononeo Posts: 89
    I am certain that the car in these pictures is the next Elantra. The pictures I have seen are clearly Hyundai. I think the fact that the car has the same taillamp design as the new Azera and Sonata should be enough proof for anyone, but alas, the journalist inside of me make me need to convince the unbelievers.

    If the front end airdam setup and composite healights with the Sonataesque tail treatment aren't enough, there are some things to look at:

    http://www.channel4.com/4car/gallery/spy-shots-2004/H/hyundai/getz-accent-elantra-coupe_pa- ge_7.html

    http://info.detnews.com/autosinsider/sneakpeek/index.cfm?id=16579

    First off, while I acknowledge that the next Optima is supposed to be smaller than the new Sonata, I think that the pictures of this car are making it look much too small to be in the same platform as the Sonata.

    Everything is nothing without context. This is the most basic journalistic principle, and if you were some sort of automotive reporter and you saw spy shots like those of the Elantra (the ones available on thecarconnection.com), and you saw that an Elantra Matrix and Tiburon were the cars in front and in back of it, wouldn't you think it was a Hyundai? Also, take a look here:

    http://www.geocities.com/giovanni_dee/Elantra

    AGAIN, why would the Optima, which obviously different than the Sonata, which is also in the picture here, be between a Tucson and a Sonata?? The pictures we are looking at are of the next Elantra.

    Also, notice that the Hyundai Sonata has 5 lug nuts. The Optima would therefore, in all reasonable likelihood, have 5 lug nuts. The Elantra in the pictures does not. I has 4.
  • backybacky Twin CitiesPosts: 18,910
    Couple of things:

    Where do you see a clear shot of the tailights on the photos attributed to the Elantra? Also, I see five lug nuts on the photo that is supposedly of the Elantra, not four. This doesn't mean it can't be the Elantra, but it's clearly five lug nuts.

    I once saw a photo (can't find it now, but it was on a competing forum so I couldn't post the link anyway) of the NF Sonata and a car that looks like a dead ringer to the "Elantra" in these photos sitting side by side. They looked to be the same size to me. So I am not yet convinced these photos are of the next-gen Elantra, but if they are then production is quite far along, so we shouldn't have long to wait before Hyundai unveils the new car to the world.
  • mononeomononeo Posts: 89
    Actually, upon looking at these photos again, I have noticed that in some shots the car does show to have five lug nuts. The photos I write of that show the taillamps are the ones available on thecarconnection.com as the 2007 Elantra. I would like to point out that Corolla XRSes with the 180bhp Toyota Celica GT-S engine have to have 5 lugs, not 4, so perhaps this 5 lug thing, if the car is indeed the Elantra, shows us that the car will offer either the 160bhp new Sonata engine or the Tiburon's V6.

    Upon reexamining the photos and whatnot, I would have to say that I am still pretty sure that the car is the Elantra, although not 100% certain. The taillamps really give it away.
  • toyunkitoyunki Posts: 25
    Hyundai put improved VVT 2.7 engine on new luxury car from Kia and Hyundais.

    and it produces 198 hp. and 190+ft lb. it should be options too on Elantra or new Cuope.

    And Hyundai should put 3.8 engine on next Cuope.

    Mitsu's new Eclipse has 3.8 engine with 260 hp FF.
  • backybacky Twin CitiesPosts: 18,910
    More likely the 5 lug nuts are there to support 16" wheels, which are becoming increasingly common in this class (e.g. Spectra5).

    The carconnection.com pics show the taillights heavily disguised. All I can see from them is that the taillights have red and white in them, and they are more horizontal than the Elantra's current taillights.

    I doubt the Elantra will ever use the Tiburon's V6. That is an old design and gets little more hp than the new 2.4L I4. 160 hp is more than enough for this class. It compares well to the Mazda3 and even the new Jetta's base engine.
  • mononeomononeo Posts: 89
    I agree that it is unlikely that they'd put the V6 into the next Elantra, but I wouldn't throw it out the window. It has just recently been put into the Tucson, and has been in the Tiburon, and these are both on the same platform.

    What are your thoughts on the next GT Elantra? Do you think they'll even come out with one and if so, do you think they'll do the same one year wait thing? I am going to torchy my Accord soon and I want to buy a new car. What I really want is a Tucson GLS V6 4x4, but it is a little too expensive, and I no longer want a Tucson if I have to get a GL I-4 4-2 with a manual. I could get a lower-end new Sonata (the NF next kind) with an I-4, but if I get a car I probably want a manual, and I don't want a GL Sonata to have a manual. This leaves me with waiting for the next Elantra GT. If I can come into some concrete evidence that the GT is coming, I can wait. Otherwise I think I may just buy a used Santa Fe 2.7 V6 GLS 4x4. Even if I decide to ditch the Santa Fe for the Elantra, I will always get the lowalty money.
  • toyunkitoyunki Posts: 25
    it produces 197 hp.

    which is even stronger than current 3.5 v6.
  • backybacky Twin CitiesPosts: 18,910
    Any idea which vehicles this new 2.7L V6 will be going into? In the States, the Sonata will get the new 3.3L V6. That begs the question whether the new 2.7L engine will go in vehicles like the Tucson/Sportage, Tiburon, and... Elantra!
  • bikerpabikerpa Posts: 68
    ...I have it on good word that they will continue with a 4-door hatchback design. Also, whether or not it will come in the next-gen Elantra is still a tossup at this point, but I also know that the theta engine (this 2.4L wonder that will come base on the new Sonata) is all chain-driven, so no timing belt to worry about shredding. The Toyota fanboys are rapidly running out of flaws to point out. ;)
  • baltychenbaltychen Posts: 50
    Does the engine have timing belt or timing chain? Can anyone give me this information? Thanks.
  • danf1danf1 Posts: 935
    The new generation of Hyundai engines are supposed to be all chain driven.
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