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  • gussguss Member Posts: 1,167
    Definitely , there will be side air bags on my next purchase.

    Glad you were oh Michael. Any word yet if the Saturn will be brought back to life?
  • michaellnomichaellno Member Posts: 4,120
    As I mentioned on Friday, the initial damage estimate is $2300, and that is before any disassembly is done.

    The L is worth probably $8-9K in trade, so the repair bill will have to go up quite a bit in order for State Farm to declare it totalled.

    The only thing I'm worried about is the A/C didn't work after the accident. There were no fluids leaking from the car, so I'm not entirely sure what happened.

    Got the call from State Farm; the other drivers' policy will be covering my losses as well as the rental car -- I won't even have to pay my deductible.

    At this point, I'm figuring 2 to 3 weeks before I get the L back. The place where I'm having the work done is quite meticulous, and I'm not in a huge rush - I'd rather have the work done right rather than quickly.

    My car definitely was the one better off; the other car needed to be towed, as both passenger side tires were flat, not to mention the bent front right wheel.
  • 1racefan1racefan Member Posts: 932
    micheall,
    I am not an insurance expert by any means, but I have a neighbor that is an insurance adjuster for an insurance company. This summer, he was telling me that sometimes, you can ask an insurance company to do what's called a "cumulative total". Here is my interpretation of what he was telling me (and this may not be fully correct, but worth looking into)-

    In your case, you would have the body shop disassemble the car without ordering any parts to get a better grasp on what all may be wrong, as well as look at that a/c system.

    Then, the body shop could tell you the new estimate after doing this, as well as a time frame for how long it will take. If they say it would take 3 weeks, you would multiply 21 days by the cost of the rental car per day, and add that to the estimate. If you had any other bills associated with this, you would add them in as well. Once you were to add all of the costs together that the insurance company would be incurring, you would then approach the insurance company to see if all of that exceeded the correct percentage of the vehicle's value needed in order to total the vehicle (and remind them that things may pop up in the future from this accident that they would have to pay to rectify).

    This may work out for you, because even though you are dealing with the other guy's insurance, it is still the same company you use, so remind them that you are their customer as well. Also remember to be the squeeky wheel, and make it clear as to what it is going to take to make you happy.
  • woodywwwoodyww Member Posts: 1,806
    Will be interesting to see what they determine with the A/C. My impression is that sometimes the force of the impact can cause other components--that may have been old or marginal--to fail (early), esp. if they're located near the damaged area.

    But if there's no visible damage, of course the ins. co. will say it's not related.....

    Oh, & I'd be prepared for the repairs to possibly take longer than quoted......1 hard to get part can hold things up who knows how long.

    (Just wanted to cheer you up a bit!). :)
  • lilengineerboylilengineerboy Member Posts: 4,116
    Does anyone know of a good bill of sale template for a private seller? My state doesn't actually require one, just the title, but I want a piece of paper that basically says this is what I am selling, this is what you are paying, it as-is, you paid cash, we are good to go, etc.
  • michaellnomichaellno Member Posts: 4,120
    I've got a software program installed onto my home PC called "Family Lawyer" - it has documents regarding automobile sales (private party), warranty, "as-is", etc.

    Easy to use format - answer a few questions about the make, model, VIN, mileage - and print it out.

    I think it would suffice for most private transactions.
  • corvettecorvette Member Posts: 11,285
    The evaporator coils for the A/C are right up front, near the radiator (looks almost exactly like a transmission cooler, to me at least). It's likely that they were bent, broken, or otherwise damaged in the crash. If there is a break in the line, all the refrigerant will be lost, and the A/C will stop working. Not sure how this situation affects the longevity of the compressor.

    Watch out, State Farm will try to use non-OEM parts unless you demand otherwise (and pay the difference).
  • michaellnomichaellno Member Posts: 4,120
    Just heard from the body shop .. the repair estimate is up to $2903, which still doesn't include the A/C repair.

    They have found nothing on visual inspection that could account for the A/C problems. He will keep me appraised .. they may have to take it to the Saturn dealer if the body shop can't figure it out.

    Was also told that the $2900 represents 28% of the value of my car, which means State Farm thinks my car is worth about $10,367.

    I wish I could get that much for it in trade -- 9 grand in equity would go a long way towards the purchase of a new ride.

    I may have to revise my opinion of my rental Fusion - if not for the anemic combination of the 4 banger and an automatic transmission, it's actually not a bad car. I fit comfortably, the sight lines are decent, it's got a large trunk (though the trunk opening is a bit on the small side).

    Wife has ridden in it and feels that the seats are a bit higher off the ground than the L. I was able to explain to her my issue with the short seat cushions in the VUE - of course, since she's 5'2", she never noticed.

    The only thing I'm not fond of is the lack of manual control with the 6-speed automatic found in the V6 versions ... something the Saturn Aura addresses in the XR with shift paddles on the steering wheel.
  • [Deleted User][Deleted User] ColoradoPosts: 0
    Hey michaell,

    Just curious if you ever found out anything regarding diminished value???
  • michaellnomichaellno Member Posts: 4,120
    Just curious if you ever found out anything regarding diminished value???

    The body shop guy didn't know anything about it; he suggested I speak with my insurance agent on the matter.

    Haven't done that yet ... I'll let folks know what I find out.
  • british_roverbritish_rover Member Posts: 8,502
    You should really try out the V6 version of the Fusion. I rode around with one of my reps in his Milan and was impressed.
  • michaellnomichaellno Member Posts: 4,120
    You should really try out the V6 version of the Fusion.

    I actually did take a test drive when they first came out a couple of years ago.

    I remember being pretty impressed with it at the time. The only thing that bugs me is that I can't get any sort of 'manumatic' control with the 6-speed auto in the Fusion/Milan like I can with the Aura. IIRC, the box has D-I-L (drive - intermediate - low).

    If I'm gonna be saddled with an automatic, I at least want the ability to choose specific gears. That is, if I decide to get a new car.
  • gussguss Member Posts: 1,167
    The Mazda6, cousin to the Fusion/Milan has the manumatic. I don't know why Mazda would get it and not the Fords. I guess they consider Mazda the sport division.

    Their are plenty of Mazda6 Sports with the 2.3 4 cylinder on the lots with some pretty good deals. Don't ask me how I know.
  • woodywwwoodyww Member Posts: 1,806
    Watch out, State Farm will try to use non-OEM parts

    When my M6 was wrecked :( , the body shop I took it to got State Farm to spring for a brand new bumper from Germany instead of a used one from a wrecking yard. (I realize that's a somewhat diff. issue than OEM vs. non-OEM).

    State Farm was excellent; altho that was in MA. I suspect a lot of it depends on state insurance laws, & maybe the local State Farm people (??).
  • michaellnomichaellno Member Posts: 4,120
    The Mazda6, cousin to the Fusion/Milan has the manumatic. I don't know why Mazda would get it and not the Fords. I guess they consider Mazda the sport division.

    Their are plenty of Mazda6 Sports with the 2.3 4 cylinder on the lots with some pretty good deals. Don't ask me how I know.


    I wasn't aware that the Mazda 6 offered a manumatic .. I may have to go back and take another look. Specifically, the wagon or 5-door.

    My rental Fusion has the 2.3L .. around town it's not too offensive, but on the highway I've really got to put my foot into it to get any serious momentum going.
  • michaellnomichaellno Member Posts: 4,120
    Just checked the website .. yep, a 6 speed sport automatic transmission is available with the V6 equipped Mazda 6.

    Plus, I qualify for S-plan (about $2K under MSRP), and there is a $2750 rebate on the wagon.

    Now, if I could find one equipped the way I want ....
  • sandman46sandman46 Member Posts: 1,798
    Our Mazda 3s has this also though we've never used it. A local dealer is selling the Mazda 6i Special Edition with the 2.3 engine for $15,052 which is a steal. Auto tranny, power seat, alloys & some other goodies make this model the sweet spot in the 6 lineup. Saw one in that dark raspberry color and it looked awesome!
    Nice car for a very reasonable price. Great seats too.

    The Sandman :)
  • gussguss Member Posts: 1,167
    Bargain hard on the wagon , I don't think they are in huge demand. I would think you could get a pretty well loaded one for under $20k.

    Plan on keeping it a while though. I traded in my ex-rental one 20 months ago and it is still sitting on the dealers lot. Sometimes I think about going back and seeing if I can reverse the deal.I think that would really mess with the title clerks head.

    I did look at the 6i though, and if I had not already owned one I can see doing a 6 again. But there are too many choices out there to go back to something I have already had. I need to try all the flavors in the ice cream shop i guess.
  • steine13steine13 Member Posts: 2,825
    A local dealer is selling the Mazda 6i Special Edition with the 2.3 engine for $15,052 which is a steal. Auto tranny, power seat, alloys & some other goodies make this model the sweet spot in the 6 lineup.

    Are you serious?
    That's an unbelievable price... around here, I've seen nothing even close to it, and MI is normally a cheap place to buy imports. Inasmuch as Mazda is an import anymore.

    Heck, for $15 I"d buy a stick hatch, and they could keep their pwr seats and alloys!
    Are you sure this isn't one of those "with $3000 cash or trade down" type of deals?

    -Mathias
  • PF_FlyerPF_Flyer Member Posts: 9,372
    Too bad it wasn't one of you guys to hit the big PowerBall recently :cry:

    Would have been fun to watch you try and decide between Ginger or Mary Ann?"
  • gussguss Member Posts: 1,167
    I think with $145 million I can quote Deon Sanders and say "both".
  • corvettecorvette Member Posts: 11,285
    Yeah, talk about the Ultimate Garage!
  • sandman46sandman46 Member Posts: 1,798
    This was the price in last weeks Saturday paper from a local Mazda dealer. Couldn't believe it myself. Actually called and was told the same price. Awesome value for this car...even my '06 Civic LX cost more. Would have been a very tough decision if this price for the 6i Value Edition with auto tranny was around last year when I bought the Honda. A slightly bigger car, about 8" I think, with a slightly thirstier engine but a much more comfortable ride.
    Would've been a very tough decision, as I really like the torque in the wife's 3s 2.3 liter engine.

    The Sandman :)
  • gussguss Member Posts: 1,167
    Definitely a good price. They are advertised around me for $16,997. For $15k I would drop my must have a sunroof rule, or get an aftermarket one and still save a grand.

    I would guess they will really be dealing this time next year when the 6 gets redesigned.
  • akanglakangl Member Posts: 3,282
    Have come and gone. I'm at just shy of 3600 miles on the Pilot. Still really like it, although I find I'm not driving it much, been hauling the horses quite a bit, so using the dually.

    Only issue I've noticed so far with the Pilot is an intermittant hard start. Not worried about it though, it'll either get better or it'll get worse then get fixed.

    Super nice SUV, can't wait for winter so I can try out the stability control, traction control, and all that fun stuff, lol.
  • qbrozenqbrozen Member Posts: 33,736
    hmmm... i wonder if the hard starting is the same issue we had with our '03. i figure they woulda had it fixed by now. but maybe not. Anyway, popular opinion was that it had to do with the security system being slow to recognize the key. We did find that sticking the key in the ignition, then puttin on seatbelt or whatever just to wait 2-3 seconds, then turning the key helped the issue. Later on, we had a remote starter installed, which requires a spare key be mounted inside the dash for the security bypass. Having this key in the dash all the time seemed to make the hard start go away completely. So I was inclined to believe it was the key recognition issue.

    '11 GMC Sierra 1500; '98 Alfa 156 2.0TS; '08 Maser QP; '67 Coronet R/T; '13 Fiat 500c; '20 S90 T6; '22 MB Sprinter 2500 4x4 diesel; '97 Suzuki R Wagon; '96 Opel Astra; '11 Mini Cooper S

  • akanglakangl Member Posts: 3,282
    hmmm... i wonder if the hard starting is the same issue we had with our '03. i figure they woulda had it fixed by now. but maybe not. Anyway, popular opinion was that it had to do with the security system being slow to recognize the key. We did find that sticking the key in the ignition, then puttin on seatbelt or whatever just to wait 2-3 seconds, then turning the key helped the issue. Later on, we had a remote starter installed, which requires a spare key be mounted inside the dash for the security bypass. Having this key in the dash all the time seemed to make the hard start go away completely. So I was inclined to believe it was the key recognition issue.

    I'll bet that's it. Usually I stick the key in and put my seatbelt on, put my purse in the back, then start it. But both times it was hard to start I got in, put the key in, turned it to start right away.

    I'm going to have autostart put on it sometime in the next couple months (its a keeper, so it'll get the autostart), so we'll see if that makes it behave. Otherwise I'll give it a few seconds before I turn the key. No big deal, I still love it, such a pleasant SUV!
  • grandtotalgrandtotal Member Posts: 1,207
    I don't think it is a key recognition issue. I think it's a fuel pump/pressure issue. We had this problem with our Odyssey. When you get in turn the ignition to on, then put your seatbelt on etc., then turn the key to start. Should work every time.
  • qbrozenqbrozen Member Posts: 33,736
    If its not holding pressure in the fuel system, then that is a problem and it is correctable. That means the system is leaking down as it sits. This is a problem on 20-year old bimmers, it should not be an acceptable problem on a new car.

    '11 GMC Sierra 1500; '98 Alfa 156 2.0TS; '08 Maser QP; '67 Coronet R/T; '13 Fiat 500c; '20 S90 T6; '22 MB Sprinter 2500 4x4 diesel; '97 Suzuki R Wagon; '96 Opel Astra; '11 Mini Cooper S

  • grandtotalgrandtotal Member Posts: 1,207
    It's very common with Odysseys (and presumably Pilots, MDXs etc too). I didn't realise it is correctable. Since mine is now long out of warranty and is going to be traded in a couple of months I'm not going to worry about it, but if it were still under warranty, I'd get it fixed.
  • fezofezo Member Posts: 10,386
    Now you are talking in such a way that Jolie will allow the seed of doubt creep in on the Pilot!

    Good work. ;)
    2015 Mazda 6 Grand Touring, 2014 Mazda 3 Sport Hatchback, 1999 Mazda Miata 2004 Toyota Camry LE, 1999.
  • grandtotalgrandtotal Member Posts: 1,207
    Hey, I do what I can. Gotta keep the US economy rolling somehow.
  • akanglakangl Member Posts: 3,282
    Now you are talking in such a way that Jolie will allow the seed of doubt creep in on the Pilot!

    Good work


    LOL, nah, its under warranty and I like it so not much chance of me trading it off. 'Cides I'm needing to get a bigger horse trailer so that'll be my fix, I'm shopping for one over the winter. Our new horse is too big for the one we have.......never thought that would happen!! My trailer is a huge 4 horse, but the new mare is too wide for the stalls (she's HUGE).
  • bumpybumpy Member Posts: 4,425
    the new mare is too wide for the stalls (she's HUGE).

    Maybe you're going to have another new horse soon? :surprise:
  • fezofezo Member Posts: 10,386
    I'm sorry. Your post has been re-routed to "Chronic Horse Buyers Anonymous."
    2015 Mazda 6 Grand Touring, 2014 Mazda 3 Sport Hatchback, 1999 Mazda Miata 2004 Toyota Camry LE, 1999.
  • akanglakangl Member Posts: 3,282
    Maybe you're going to have another new horse soon?

    NO, not from her at least. However the Arabian mare is a different story, come May she has a little present for us....... :surprise:
  • akanglakangl Member Posts: 3,282
    I'm sorry. Your post has been re-routed to "Chronic Horse Buyers Anonymous."

    LOL, it should be!!! We traded one horse and got two! We now have 5 of the little hay eating poop machines with number 6 on the way in the spring.:surprise:

    I'd love to sell one of them, but can't bring myself to part with any of them. My stallion will be getting a brain transplant on October 4th so there won't be any more surprises around here! :blush:
  • corvettecorvette Member Posts: 11,285
    The recent VW and BMW cars I've driven all prime the fuel pump when the driver's door is opened, presumably to prevent that type of problem. I'm also really fond of the Autostart feature on most newer GM products--turn the key to Start and let go, and it will stop cranking when the engine turns over.
  • british_roverbritish_rover Member Posts: 8,502
    Yup we have that on all the new Land Rovers now. It started back in 2003 on the Range Rover and spread throughout the line over the past few years. When it is really cold out the engine will crank a few extra turns to circulate the oil more completely.
  • frag235frag235 Member Posts: 81
    My stallion will be getting a brain transplant on October 4th so there won't be any more surprises around here!

    LOL! :D
  • michaellnomichaellno Member Posts: 4,120
    Actually, in the case of the L in the body shop, I haven't called them to see what kind of progress has been made on the repairs. I figure I'll call at the end of the week and see where things stand.

    However, the new '08 VUE is going into the shop on Saturday .. got a letter from Saturn indicating that the BCM needs reprogramming, as there is a problem that will potentially undercharge the battery.

    Also, we've noticed a problem with the gas gauge on the VUE as well. Fill it up, and the needle goes to about 7/8 full initially. Then, after being driven a bit, the needle moves over to the full mark. Will have the dealer take a look at that as well.
  • corvettecorvette Member Posts: 11,285
    Also, we've noticed a problem with the gas gauge on the VUE as well. Fill it up, and the needle goes to about 7/8 full initially.

    Sounds like there is a delay built into the readout to prevent it from dropping or rising suddenly if you're parked on an incline, etc., but it's not working like it should. Could be a problem specific to your Vue or a design flaw in all Vues.
  • michaellnomichaellno Member Posts: 4,120
    Turns out I didn't need to call the body shop; they called me and I was able to pick up my car last Friday!

    Total repair bill was around $3900, plus another $390 for the rental .. all of which is paid for by the other driver's policy.

    And, it turns out that our VUE was not affected by the recall on the BCM reprogramming -- had to go to the dealer to find that out! Wish they could have told me on the phone when I was making the appointment.
  • tifightertifighter Member Posts: 3,785
    Is this thing on?

    (Crickets chirping)

    25 NX 450h+ / 24 Sienna Plat AWD / 23 Civic Type-R / 21 Boxster GTS 4.0 / 03 Montero Ltd

  • british_roverbritish_rover Member Posts: 8,502
    I test drove the C30 today. Borrowed one from our Volvo dealership down the street.

    First impressions are good. Very comfortable car plenty of power and just as fast as my MINI was when it was stock. Not as nimble as the MINI but this was a V1.0 C30 without the dynamic chassis so a 2.0 with suspension upgrade might get close to a MINI. They didn't have a manual in stock so I had to drive an automatic. Throttle response is a little on the slow side with the automatic or so I have been told. Almost no torque steer even with the Stability control off. Being a Volvo you can't turn it completely off but I am sure there is a way around that.

    Unless the Clubman really blows me away I think we will probably end up with the C30 next summer. Only other car I can think of looking at is a Rabbit TDI but VW still makes me nervous. Plenty of people I know lately have just had never ending problems with their VWs.
  • steine13steine13 Member Posts: 2,825
    I'm punching in... CCBA status through Christmas is guaranteed.

    Dark gray 07 Vibe, new, stick (of course), pwr stuff, side bags & ABS. Picked it up half an hour ago.

    It's not all that exciting; almost a copy of my '04, but I'm glad to have gotten it. $2k in rebates + some GM Card money pushed me over the edge.

    What does covered storage for a Conversion Van usually run a month?

    Cheers,
    -Mathias
  • tifightertifighter Member Posts: 3,785
    Those C30's interest me a bit too. They look great. The V1.0 seems like a pretty good deal in a manual if one keeps the options in check. Volvos haven't had the best reputation of late, but their resale seems decent.

    That $4K off rebate on 9-3 SportCombis got my attention the other day; friend has 105k on a 04 Aero and has had no problems. A 2.0T manual wagon at invoice less rebate...hmmm... :blush:

    25 NX 450h+ / 24 Sienna Plat AWD / 23 Civic Type-R / 21 Boxster GTS 4.0 / 03 Montero Ltd

  • corvettecorvette Member Posts: 11,285
    Today was my first day at the office. A day of mixed emotions because some esteemed staff members are leaving in the coming weeks. Around closing time, an observer informs me that someone backed into my parked car. Thankfully, no one was hurt, but it was almost a hit-and-run, since the dingbat claimed she didn't realize she hit anything (not sure how she "didn't know," since there was an impact, and my alarm went off). I just washed it the other day, too. Hard to tell from the picture, but both the fender and door panel are dented pretty badly. Glad my car is leased!

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  • gussguss Member Posts: 1,167
    Woa, looks like the someone had too much to drink at the office party.

    I'm guessing $1500 to $2000 to get it fixed. Hopefully you guys can resolve who is paying without getting the lawyers involved.
  • gussguss Member Posts: 1,167
    Sounds like you made a pretty good deal on the Vibe. I noticed my local Pontiac dealer still has 3 or 4 07's left (alot for Vibes)on the lot. Have they cooled off sales wise?
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