Chronic Car Buyers Anonymous (Archived)

jpp75

stickguy said:

spreading the wealth, not a bad deal on a V60 CPO. Though it is the old style interior and really want to avoid all black interior.

https://www.volvocarsprinceton.com/certified/Volvo/2018-Volvo-V60-02508ee30a0e0adf50b13c61278737a0.htm

looks good in black too. I like the 2 tone interior!

https://www.volvocarsprinceton.com/certified/Volvo/2018-Volvo-V60+Cross+Country-02508cf30a0e0adf50b13c61f28869a1.htm

I like the CC as well, and those prices are precisely why I wouldn't buy a new one.

28firefighter

My Mom has a 2015.5 V60 T5 CC (basically identical to what you posted, @stickguy). They're a lot of car for the money. The T5 engine is..pokey...at best IMO. Has decent low end grunt like you'd expect from a turbo, but then tops out fairly quickly.

Also it has been through one transmission and 3 fuel pumps in the 4 years they've had it. My guess is that is a one off and not the norm.

carnaught

stickguy said:

poking around looking at listings (hey, I was bored). I really, really like this one. Of course they would need to cut the price way down, but the car is nice.

https://www.ottosbmw.com/inventory/used-2019-bmw-x3-xdrive30i-awd-sport-utility-5uxtr9c57klp96034

Interesting how they list premium options, and mention some more than once, like pano roof mentioned three times. Doesn’t have 360 degree camera or upgraded audio, though.

Like the color combo, don’t like the price.

stickguy

Good though that price is the one thing you can change!

ronsteve

28firefighter said:

My Mom has a 2015.5 V60 T5 CC (basically identical to what you posted, @stickguy). They're a lot of car for the money. The T5 engine is..pokey...at best IMO. Has decent low end grunt like you'd expect from a turbo, but then tops out fairly quickly.

Also it has been through one transmission and 3 fuel pumps in the 4 years they've had it. My guess is that is a one off and not the norm.

Sounds like they got a bad copy. I had a V70 for over 11 years and aside from the crankcase vent service and age-related stuff, my only big unscheduled repair was a power steering pump. When I traded it with 192K it was starting to show some electrical gremlins, and was going to need the crankcase vent done again.

As for performance, I can see the "pokey" off the line, mainly because of how intrusive the TC was, but it pulled solidly when I went to make a move on the highway. My RDX that replaced it feels much stronger off the line but at highway cruise speeds, the VCM forces you to get on it hard enough to downshift if you're trying to hit a gap.

stickguy

I actually would prefer a loaded FWD T5 model V60. Probably quicker too, and more economical.

jpp75

28firefighter said:

My Mom has a 2015.5 V60 T5 CC (basically identical to what you posted, @stickguy). They're a lot of car for the money. The T5 engine is..pokey...at best IMO. Has decent low end grunt like you'd expect from a turbo, but then tops out fairly quickly.

Also it has been through one transmission and 3 fuel pumps in the 4 years they've had it. My guess is that is a one off and not the norm.

I had the T5 in my 2015.5 S60, FWD. It had plenty of power for me but I can see what you mean about it topping out quickly. In 39 months and 45k miles the only issue I had was a backup camera that went wonky and an O2 sensor that failed early on.

benjaminh

Farewell to the VW Alltrack....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l_XrQXpaZxk

ronsteve

jpp75 said:

28firefighter said:

My Mom has a 2015.5 V60 T5 CC (basically identical to what you posted, @stickguy). They're a lot of car for the money. The T5 engine is..pokey...at best IMO. Has decent low end grunt like you'd expect from a turbo, but then tops out fairly quickly.

Also it has been through one transmission and 3 fuel pumps in the 4 years they've had it. My guess is that is a one off and not the norm.

I had the T5 in my 2015.5 S60, FWD. It had plenty of power for me but I can see what you mean about it topping out quickly. In 39 months and 45k miles the only issue I had was a backup camera that went wonky and an O2 sensor that failed early on.

The T5 in the AWD models then was the 2.5L 5-cylinder, with a 6-speed auto, while the FWD had gone to the Drive-E powertrain with the 2.0L 4-cylinder and 8-speed auto.

qbrozen

I don't know why I have decided to even argue with these people. Just irritates me, I guess...


internet person:
I saw you asked a common question that alot of our customers ask about the destination fee. It is not being charged twice, we aren't charging MSRP plus destination. Also when the car is discounted we itemize the destination and the processing fee which are line items. If the car was being sold at MSRP we would back out the destination and then add it back in to show it as a line item. It is the way we prefer to show our prices, which doesn't stop us for offering the very best deals on our Scat Packs in the region to our customers. I hope this helped clear things up and I am happy to assist you with any additional questions you may have.


my reply:

So, here is a breakdown of the monroney, which includes destination, then your quote, which includes destination again. Just follow the math, and you'll see you are charging it twice.

Base Price . $40,245

OPTIONAL EQUIPMENT . $69

Destination Charge . $1,495

TOTAL PRICE . $41,809


MSRP/Retail Price . $41,809

Dealer Discount . $5,716

Price Before Rebates . $36,093

Your Rebates . $4,850

Wow Price . $31,243

Destination Charge . $1,495

Processing Fee . $799

Price Before Tax and Tags . $33,537

28firefighter

Every single VA dealer I've seen does this across all brands. Just consider it a cost of doing business. What they're saying is that $1495 of their $5716 "discount" is actually just backing out the Destination Fee which they plan to put back in. It is absolute asinine.

You said it was 2k before auction value at the advertised price - so adding it back in, you're at auction price, right?

tjc78

Stuff like that really irritates me and in all honesty makes you wonder if they think we are all idiots.

That's one thing I have to say after dealing with 4 different Volvo dealers. None of them tried any tricks, bumped up MF or BS fees. It just came down to who wanted to shave the most off of MSRP to yield the lowest payment.

qbrozen

So, just to summarize, she wrote back to say "that's just the way we do it." I wrote back to say "so your 57xx discount is actually $42xx, why not just say that?" Then she wrote again and said "I get it, and I agree, but its the way everyone in VA is, so we need to do it, too."

Anyhoo, yes, its still a good price. But I've decided I can't justify spending ~$36k, all said and done. I mean, at least before that $1500 bump, I could get out from under it with little to no penalty. But now, it would cost me a couple grand after figuring taxes and fees.

What I HAVE done is start pushing the habit on myself of putting my bimmer in sport/sport mode when I start it up. LOL.

pensfan83

There used to be someone on LH who worked at a CDJR dealer in Virginia and he used to get called out on that all the time from what I recall. Makes no sense.

pensfan83

tjc78 said:

Stuff like that really irritates me and in all honesty makes you wonder if they think we are all idiots.

That's one thing I have to say after dealing with 4 different Volvo dealers. None of them tried any tricks, bumped up MF or BS fees. It just came down to who wanted to shave the most off of MSRP to yield the lowest payment.

For some of the things I have read about Toyota dealers I experienced none of it. No markups, willingness to negotiate via email, and a discount that exceeded anyone else.

ab348

It is a good deal for a somewhat fast car that is probably great fun to drive, but the gloomy-looking black cloth interior would be a drag every time you drove it.

mb_enthusiast

I sent a video of the tailgate issue to the service advisor. I know she read it, as it was sent via iMessage (that's the way we communicated previously). She has not had anything to say about it and it's been more than 24 hours.

I've never had a service advisor ignore me. I did have a Jaguar salesman ghost me one time when his manager decided that they could not compete with the other Jaguar dealer up the street. Anyway, I'm kind of pissed off with the customer service given the car's price.

I think I've decided that my experience with that dealership is over. I'm just going to deal with the month-long wait time to get into my preferred's service department.

corvette

@mb_enthusiast I’d definitely let Audi corporate know about it when you get a survey.

marcogallo1986

@ MP enthusiast that’s totally unacceptable, like mentioned above but Audi corporate know about the issues you’re having with this dealer, and yes call your preferred dealer. Worth the wait

28firefighter

I'm supposed to go the BMW Ultimate Driving Event autocross this weekend, but in my infinite wisdom did not pay attention to the fact that the event is basically in Tacoma (yet they're calling it Seattle). Now I have to decide if I want to drive the 1-1.5 hours (if there is traffic) to get there...

marcogallo1986

@qB not cool the games that the dealers like. To play

tifighter

28firefighter said:

I'm supposed to go the BMW Ultimate Driving Event autocross this weekend, but in my infinite wisdom did not pay attention to the fact that the event is basically in Tacoma (yet they're calling it Seattle). Now I have to decide if I want to drive the 1-1.5 hours (if there is traffic) to get there...

Which day?

28firefighter

tifighter said:

28firefighter said:

I'm supposed to go the BMW Ultimate Driving Event autocross this weekend, but in my infinite wisdom did not pay attention to the fact that the event is basically in Tacoma (yet they're calling it Seattle). Now I have to decide if I want to drive the 1-1.5 hours (if there is traffic) to get there...

Which day?

Saturday around lunch time.

I'm still in negotiations because technically we have plans...

xwesx

28firefighter said:

I'm supposed to go the BMW Ultimate Driving Event autocross this weekend, but in my infinite wisdom did not pay attention to the fact that the event is basically in Tacoma (yet they're calling it Seattle). Now I have to decide if I want to drive the 1-1.5 hours (if there is traffic) to get there...

Just take the train.

laurasdada

Ok, so I replaced the rear brakes in the XF last week, not inexpensive. A year ago, four new sneakers, reasonably priced (buy 3 get 1 free, tax free weekend in MA).
Now, left rear turn signal bulb appears to be shot, inexpensive maybe...

What is my beautiful car trying to tell me?! ; - )

Labor day week, I may test drive a few potential replacements:
'18 Porsche Macan
'20 Jag XE
'19 Audi A5 Sportback
Volvo S60? Any reliability concerns (from the British car owner...)

None, pre-test drive of course, really has me chomping at the bit to replace the XF.

qbrozen

Huh. For some reason I thought the XF was already out of your stable.

May I suggest a Maser Ghibli? Not that I have any idea why. Just because I want to suggest it to someone, I suppose. But lightly used ones are relatively cheap.

qbrozen

https://www.cargurus.com/Cars/share/243094510

https://www.cargurus.com/Cars/share/248322514

stickguy

that is surprisingly cheap. Though probably only cheap to get in!

wandered around the Porsche showroom today. Man, there was some nice stuff in there. A salesguy wandered over to see if we needed anything. Even my daughter (all of 23) though he looked like a kid. At least one from a rich family! Definitely screamed "prep school".

laurasdada

qbrozen said:

Huh. For some reason I thought the XF was already out of your stable.

May I suggest a Maser Ghibli? Not that I have any idea why. Just because I want to suggest it to someone, I suppose. But lightly used ones are relatively cheap.

No, my love for the XF remains strong.
I looked at Ghiblis, found it to be cramped, couldn't really got comfortable behind the wheel. Felt a bit too Chrysler-y for the price.

qbrozen

That’s why they depreciate so drastically.

qbrozen

Wonder what this would fetch on BaT

https://www.cargurus.com/Cars/share/248433335

stickguy

probably not much. Even that crowd won't want that car.

amusing how far we have come. A fancy V-12, and only 262 HP. Your average 2.0T 4 banger puts out more than that now!

andres3

tjc78 said:

Tiguan might fly but the Golf will just be too small

Did the Tiguan get bigger? I saw one yesterday and it seemed much larger than I remembered.

Yes, very much so! In fact, it's big enough my wife got one, an SEL 4-Motion in Stone Blue with a Gray interior. I think they said it's nearly 11" longer than the previous Tiguan. It's also taller I think too, and of course, for 2019, comes with a 6 year 72,000 mile bumper to bumper warranty.

PUNCH reported!

andres3

stickguy

was considering going to look at that Volvo wagon I found yesterday. Figured I could trade the RDX, have a modest payment on a 3 year loan, let the wife drive it for the next 2 years, then when the TLX lease is up, take it from her and let her get something new.

Then I realized that while it is a nice car, every time I looked at the dash board, I would think about how much nicer the new model is!

Too bad Acura doesn't seem to have any interest in blowing out RDXs on a cheap, cheap lease. I could make that work on a lease to buy! Though might be possible to do better on an X3 loaner.

might need to make a couple stops this weekend, just to show her stuff! The car show is still 5 months away, and who can wait that long?

28firefighter

Saw a Hyundai Palisade in the parking garage at the gym. Barely fit in the spot.

qbrozen

qbrozen said:

https://www.cargurus.com/Cars/share/243094510

https://www.cargurus.com/Cars/share/248322514

I’m really digging that white one. They are darned quick, too. Seems like a performance bargain.

roadburner

The Center that sold me the M235i just took in a used M2C with three pedals.
Must resist...

28firefighter

roadburner said:

The Center that sold me the M235i just took in a used M2C with three pedals.
Must resist...

To imitate my son’s current phase of speech...

“Resist?...why?”

stickguy

yeah. it sounds to me like you should get down there ASAP to check it out before someone else grabs it.

stickguy

Q, I like the colors on both of those. Red one seems like a better deal being 2 years newer.

breld

@andres3 - I really like that Tiguan, especially the color.

Congrats!

breld

28firefighter said:

roadburner said:

The Center that sold me the M235i just took in a used M2C with three pedals.
Must resist...

To imitate my son’s current phase of speech...

“Resist?...why?”

Agreed. First thing that went through my head when I read your post...”why?”

tjc78

Congrats, @andres3 ... great color.

stickguy

that is a nice looking car. I was at the VW dealer Wednesday and Thursday nights, but neither time was able to take the time to scope out a Tiguan (or go next door to look at the Q5). The tiguan is a nice package, and definitely roomy.

fintail

The more angular/chiseled design of the latest Tiguan certainly helps it, nice color too.

suydam

Love the Tiguan, color is beautiful and it’s very good looking. Congrats! What’s the interior look like?

stickguy

Told the wife this morning that we could stop at a few dealers this weekend when we went by them, just to sit in stuff and look at colors on the lot. She didn’t object, so probably a good sign!

tjc78

That’s how you do it

graphicguy

28firefighter said:

I could see the TLX dropping the NA 2.4 4 cylinder engine completely. TLX models would get the 2.0T accord engine at 252 HP with the TLX A-Spec getting the Type R version of that engine at 306 HP. TLX Type S would get the twin turbo V6.

I’d be just fine with this.

That begs the question, is the RLX going away? Acura has mentioned the S-Type work going on at least one one more model (in addition to the TLX). But, I haven’t heard one peep about the RLX being anywhere near this playpen. As it sits, the RLX does not show up on the radar for Acura. Plus, they don’t make many of them anyway. And, the ones they do make, languish on the lots.