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  • steverstever Guest Posts: 52,454
    As in, the third base coach sends you home? Often good advice eh? :)
  • tifightertifighter Member Posts: 3,807
    a lot of car for 16,000 and about the only AWD vert you can get.

    Does that have the ski pass through in the trunk?

    (has evils thoughts...)

    25 NX 450h+ / 24 Sienna Plat AWD / 23 Civic Type-R / 21 Boxster GTS 4.0

  • british_roverbritish_rover Member Posts: 8,502
    Yes it does. :D
  • qbrozenqbrozen Member Posts: 33,783
    Ya, that sounds more like a broker to me, except a broker would do all the negotiation too.

    BUT, a broker wouldn't suggest cars to fit your needs. That's the other part to the job here.

    '11 GMC Sierra 1500; '98 Alfa 156 2.0TS; '08 Maser QP; '67 Coronet R/T; '13 Fiat 500c; '20 S90 T6; '22 MB Sprinter 2500 4x4 diesel; '97 Suzuki R Wagon; '96 Opel Astra; '11 Mini Cooper S

  • fezofezo Member Posts: 10,386
    Two things keep me from the Audi. One is that it's an Audi. Wonderfully styled cars but I view them as Volkswagen with more expensive repair costs. The other is that $16K is out of my range for what I'm up to. I should have jumped on the Saab...

    One time when I was helping out a friend the salesman referred to be as the curbside lawyer.
    2015 Mazda 6 Grand Touring, 2014 Mazda 3 Sport Hatchback, 1999 Mazda Miata 2004 Toyota Camry LE, 1999.
  • qbrozenqbrozen Member Posts: 33,783
    You could score a FWD '06 RAV4 Sport with ~30k miles for $17k. I assume that is not included in the "mundane" Toyonda category you speak of. ESPECIALLY if a Forester is considered good looking by him.

    How could he not like the looks of an Altima?

    An Eclipse, Passat, or Forester. Huh. Nothing like narrowing down the type of car to speed up the process. What? No pickup truck in that field?

    '11 GMC Sierra 1500; '98 Alfa 156 2.0TS; '08 Maser QP; '67 Coronet R/T; '13 Fiat 500c; '20 S90 T6; '22 MB Sprinter 2500 4x4 diesel; '97 Suzuki R Wagon; '96 Opel Astra; '11 Mini Cooper S

  • grandtotalgrandtotal Member Posts: 1,207
    One time when I was helping out a friend the salesman referred to be as the curbside lawyer.

    That's a complement, it shows he thought you had the best interests of your 'client' at heart.
  • kathyc2kathyc2 Member Posts: 159
    LOL. Yes, it does sound all over the board doesn't it? But the thing they do have in common is none of them are very common in our area. :)

    Not sure if he thinks the Forester is good looking, or liking the whole Subaru persona thing. Either way, didn't find any pre-owned locally.

    Drove through many lots today and test drove Mazda 6, Prius, Saturn Aura and Passat. He decided against the Eclipse on his own, thank goodness.
    The front runner is definitely the Passat. I drove it a little also and it is a very good handling car with some great pick-up.
  • kathyc2kathyc2 Member Posts: 159
    Good idea. I hadn't thought of a Volvo. Do they have better than the standard 3/36 warranty that an 06 would still be under warranty?

    It looks like there are a couple around that we can check out.
  • steverstever Guest Posts: 52,454
    I suspect that plenty of brokers try to steer people into cars that they think may fit the customer better. Dunno though, never used one. It is appealing for lots of us just to tell someone to find the best deal on a car and save us the hassle. Next step down would be doing one of those Costco type deals. Then a one-price shop.
  • fezofezo Member Posts: 10,386
    How could he not like the looks of an Altima?

    I was thinking the same thing!

    Hey, the Passat could be very nice for him. Having owned an 80 Rabbit I have found it impossible to pull the trigger on a Volkswagen (I came extremely close to breaking that in 1999 on a Passat wagon) but they are nice cars, fun to drive and VW is really coming along in the reliability department.
    2015 Mazda 6 Grand Touring, 2014 Mazda 3 Sport Hatchback, 1999 Mazda Miata 2004 Toyota Camry LE, 1999.
  • tifightertifighter Member Posts: 3,807
    Two things keep me from the Audi. One is that it's an Audi. Wonderfully styled cars but I view them as Volkswagen with more expensive repair costs.

    I hear you. I've done the Audi thing and am not in a hurry to do it again. But an AWD convertible? I mean, how cool it that? In the winter, top up, throw on snows and put skis in the back with pass-through, crank up the heated seats and take my sweetheart to a nice ski-in ski-out cabin. Take said car in summer, without snows of course, drop top, drive the coast. All I need is steve's help in figuring out a way to put some crossbars with gunwale mounts on the top. :P

    25 NX 450h+ / 24 Sienna Plat AWD / 23 Civic Type-R / 21 Boxster GTS 4.0

  • fezofezo Member Posts: 10,386
    But an AWD convertible? I mean, how cool it that?

    Yeah, I was trying to ignore that part.....

    Between that and the fact that they are as attractive a car as is out there it gets all too tempting.

    A friend of mine leases an A8 every two years. If I had his kind of money I'd likely lease Audis, too.
    2015 Mazda 6 Grand Touring, 2014 Mazda 3 Sport Hatchback, 1999 Mazda Miata 2004 Toyota Camry LE, 1999.
  • stickguystickguy Member Posts: 53,647
    Volvo has a 4/50 BtoB, and a longer powertrain (maybe 5/60?)

    quite a bit smaller than a new style passat. More like a Jetta.

    2020 Acura RDX tech SH-AWD, 2023 Maverick hybrid Lariat luxury package.

  • steverstever Guest Posts: 52,454
    I carried canoes on a 4WD convertible for a few years. A CJ-5. :)

    The rack consisted of pipe standards welded to the bumpers with heavy pipe going up in a double T, with a 2x4 making up the T. Weighed a ton and the welds on the bumper kept failing - big pain.
  • british_roverbritish_rover Member Posts: 8,502
    Volvos had a 4 year 50,000 mile bumper to bumper in 2006. Right now new Volvos have a five year 60,000 bumper to bumper warranty that includes maintenance and wear and tear coverage.

    Just buy the S40 at a Volvo dealer so you get the six year 100,000 mile certified warranty.

    Volvo has won many awards for their CPO program.

    http://www.forbes.com/2008/10/22/best-CPO-cars-forbeslife-cx_jm_1022cars.html

    http://www.intellichoice.com/press/cpo_programs_2009#
  • qbrozenqbrozen Member Posts: 33,783
    Hey, BR, can you remind me what warranty the '05s had?

    '11 GMC Sierra 1500; '98 Alfa 156 2.0TS; '08 Maser QP; '67 Coronet R/T; '13 Fiat 500c; '20 S90 T6; '22 MB Sprinter 2500 4x4 diesel; '97 Suzuki R Wagon; '96 Opel Astra; '11 Mini Cooper S

  • kathyc2kathyc2 Member Posts: 159
    Sounds good, other than we would need to go to the Chicago market to find one per the Volvo sight. None listed in South Bend or Ft Wayne. South Bend dealer has no pre-owned Volvos at all, and no new cars, only crossovers.

    When I mentioned Volvo to my son, he didn't seem interested.

    Would Ford selling it off effect the warranty on a CPO?

    The article was interesting though in that VW also got high marks for CPO program. But again, I'm not finding any CPO Passats within a reasonable distance and price constraints. Ah, the joys of living in small town Indiana. :)
  • kathyc2kathyc2 Member Posts: 159
    I was also thinking the same thing. I like Altima's. But he's the one going to be paying the loan, so it has to be something he likes. I'm co-signing so I also get a little say. :)

    I would probably push Altima a little more if the local dealer was better. I haven't heard good things about them, and if we get one still under warranty, it could be a problem.
  • michaellnomichaellno Member Posts: 4,120
    Was talking with my folks earlier today, and an issue came up that I'm certain can be addressed by the fine folks who frequent this forum (hey, how's that for alliteration?).

    My dad owns, I believe you all know, a '70 Chevy pickup. Bought it new and currently has 138K on the body - the top half of the 350 was rebuilt at 90K. He dropped about $5-6K on it a few years ago to freshen everything up - new paint, new rubber seals, etc. Mom and dad figure he could sell it for north of $10K.

    It's currently insured by AAA (along with their '03 Hyundai Sonata with 22K), but there is concern that if the unthinkable were to happen and it was totaled, the insurance company wouldn't give them fair market value for it - to them, it's a 40 year old truck with a replacement value of probably a couple thousand dollars.

    So - my question is - how do they get 'collectible' insurance set up? I know there are specific companies that do this. Lots of restrictions in terms of miles, etc. and, IIRC, an appraisal is done.

    The truck is parked outside of their house, in the driveway. He just spent $300 on some sort of alarm that requires a second key in order to start the truck.

    Any information about the process involved and the companies who can do this would be greatly appreciated.
  • fezofezo Member Posts: 10,386
    I can't help with any of that other than to say I don't think anyone would insure it to pay $10K if it got hit - mostly because I don't believe anyone would pay that much for that old a truck that's not a collectible.

    I have no doubt that it's worth that to him but to most it's just an old truck.
    2015 Mazda 6 Grand Touring, 2014 Mazda 3 Sport Hatchback, 1999 Mazda Miata 2004 Toyota Camry LE, 1999.
  • qbrozenqbrozen Member Posts: 33,783
    Just go to hagerty.com.
    They don't do appraisal. They take your own stated value and the cost of your insurance is based on that. And in the 8 years I've been with them, they've never once confirmed how much I drive each year.
    The only requirement is that you show you have a daily driver insured with another company. That's it.

    '11 GMC Sierra 1500; '98 Alfa 156 2.0TS; '08 Maser QP; '67 Coronet R/T; '13 Fiat 500c; '20 S90 T6; '22 MB Sprinter 2500 4x4 diesel; '97 Suzuki R Wagon; '96 Opel Astra; '11 Mini Cooper S

  • corvettecorvette Member Posts: 11,392
    Based on what I've read, Hagerty, Leland West, and Grundy appear to offer "agreed value" car insurance for classic/collectable vehicles. This is different from "stated value" in that, if the vehicle is completely destroyed, the "agreed value" figure is not subject to negotiation. With stated value, you can state any value you want (eleventy billion dollars ;) ), but it's not binding on the insurance carrier. I've never owned a classic or collectable car before, so take this with a large grain of salt.
  • british_roverbritish_rover Member Posts: 8,502
    Same 4 year 50,000 mile warranty but they also had the 3 year 36,000 mile scheduled maintenance plan.
  • andre1969andre1969 Member Posts: 26,088
    Yeah I'm with Hagerty, too, and never had a problem with them. I've also never had to file a claim though, so I can't vouch for how they handle that. One other detail though, is that you have to have a lockable garage for anything that you insure through them.
  • british_roverbritish_rover Member Posts: 8,502
    I don't think Ford selling Volvo, if they even sell them at all, will effect the CPO program. Volvo does very well with their CPO program and for the past year many of the Volvo dealers in the US have been surviving just off the strength of the CPO car sales.

    Remember Volvo's platforms are used in many Ford cars now. Without Volvo Ford would have a hard time developing new product.

    There is of course the chance that a new owner would drastically change the warranty but that probably would happen to the CPO program going forward and not effect previously sold cars. Land Rover had the same thing happen to them. Their old CPO program was six year 75,000 mile with a 100 dollar deductible. Recently it was changed back to their old program which was five year 62,000 miles.
  • grandtotalgrandtotal Member Posts: 1,207
    Without Volvo Ford would have a hard time developing new product.

    Without Ford Volvo would have a hard time developing new product.
  • british_roverbritish_rover Member Posts: 8,502
    Mutually assured economic destruction for both companies.

    Ford wouldn't have most of the cars they have on the market now, excluding the Fusion which is I think all on a mazda platform, without Volvo. Even the mustang has some of its front end for the current S40/V50/C30 platform.

    Volvo wouldn't have had the money to develop the new technology they have debuted over the past couple of years without Fords investment.
  • sellaturcicasellaturcica Member Posts: 145
    "Already Jaguar/Land Rover are establishing component sourcing offices in India. Soon they may be entirely "Made in India".....yessss!"

    Well, at least they have nowhere to go but up if they move production to India. I don't know what it is with English run companies and their inability to get the gremlins out of their cars.... foreign manufacturers don't seem to have the same problem when the use England as assembly points.
  • sellaturcicasellaturcica Member Posts: 145
    "Ford wouldn't have most of the cars they have on the market now, excluding the Fusion which is I think all on a mazda platform, without Volvo. Even the mustang has some of its front end for the current S40/V50/C30 platform. "

    Ford would be just fine without Volvo- just because they shared some of the platforms does not mean Ford can't do their own in house work.
  • anonymouspostsanonymousposts Member Posts: 3,802
    I listed the Accord for sale Friday and got a call yesterday. A man looking for a car for his dad and his dad just happens to love Accords with manual transmissions. They came and looked at it. We have a tentative offer from them for $23,800 which is $1,000 less than we listed it for but at least it will be over quick. Not the best deal on our end but way better than if we were to trade it in at a dealer. They are supposed to pick it up tomorrow. In the end, I just didn't want to continue to battle with Honda and after this experience there is probably no way I would have bought out the lease at the end.

    The IS drives great even with 125k. It does have a few minor issues with the AC servo motor and a miss at 2k RPM. Now gee is saying since we've dumped the Accord that leaves enough money for him to buy that 98-01 Prelude he's been dreaming of for so long.

    As far as the best seats ever, I give that that the 08 IS. They are so soft and comfortable even for long trips.
  • british_roverbritish_rover Member Posts: 8,502
    Well, at least they have nowhere to go but up if they move production to India. I don't know what it is with English run companies and their inability to get the gremlins out of their cars.... foreign manufacturers don't seem to have the same problem when the use England as assembly points.

    Really people still think this?

    Jag has been at the top of reliability studies for a while now and their new product is awesome.

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    http://www.jdpower.com/corporate/news/releases/pressrelease.aspx?id=2009043

    Land Rover is still in the bottom but it is not last anymore and has been improving steadily over the years.

    Notice MINI, a foreign owned brand built in the UK, is below average in that same survey. I will say that I only had one real problem with my MINI and it was pretty minor.

    Ford would be just fine without Volvo- just because they shared some of the platforms does not mean Ford can't do their own in house work.

    Ford forgot how to design cars in North America. They have admitted that they put all their resources into designing trucks and SUVs in North America and neglected their cars. Look it up on Google news or AutoBlog they have stated it over and over. Ford of Europe still knows how to design cars but they rely heavily on Volvo for that too.
  • fintailfintail Member Posts: 58,583
    Well, now that Jag has technically been a foreign company using England as an assembly point for more than 15 years now, maybe that explains why the cars are so much better.

    If the Indians offshore all of it, watch for those gains to be wasted. I'd bet on it.
  • british_roverbritish_rover Member Posts: 8,502
    Tata can off shore some things but final assembly and design needs to be done in England at least for now. If they want to make some parts in India that can probably be done without causing problems but no more then that.

    Is there any major autobrand left from the UK that is actually owned by a UK company? Sure there are several small cottage or specialty manufacturers left in the UK that are native owned like Aerial Atom but that is it.
  • fintailfintail Member Posts: 58,583
    Engineering/design and assembly has to be British. Tactile materials also need to have that look and feel - I don't know if that wood and leather can be done elsewhere. I think the Anglophile ideal is the main driver in Jag sales - kill it, and lose a huge amount of customers. Sure they can try to change some hidden parts - but they better hope the quality doesn't make it a repeat of a 1979 Jag.

    Is Morgan still British? I have to believe Bristol is too. That's all that comes to my mind. I don't know of one that actually makes both engines and cars themselves.
  • kathyc2kathyc2 Member Posts: 159
    Dang it! We have pretty much decided on the Passat for my son, and you post something that shows they have near the worse reliability. :P Off on a 2 hr trek to look at a for sale by owner. Of course we'll have it checked out by the VW garage before we finalize.

    I'll take this report w/ a grain of salt based on my personal experience. I've had more little annoying problems on my bimmer than the Pontiacs I've owned, yet Pontiac is close to the basement also.
  • andre1969andre1969 Member Posts: 26,088
    Dang it! We have pretty much decided on the Passat for my son, and you post something that shows they have near the worse reliability.

    Well if it's any consolation, I have a friend who used to have a 2001.5 Passat, and as far as I know, he only had one real problem with it...some kind of switch that made the car think it was in gear when he tried to start it, so it would sometimes leave him stranded. Took the dealer a few months to hunt down the problem, but I blame the dealer more than the car here. I forget how many miles he had on the car when he got rid of it, but I think it was at least 130-140,000. He replaced it just recently, with a used 2005 or so Passat wagon.
  • fezofezo Member Posts: 10,386
    I'm trying to figure out that VW down at the bottom. My impression has been that they've really cleaned up their act.

    The Passat is a nice, nice car. Hope this one does the trick!
    2015 Mazda 6 Grand Touring, 2014 Mazda 3 Sport Hatchback, 1999 Mazda Miata 2004 Toyota Camry LE, 1999.
  • steverstever Guest Posts: 52,454
    I can't figure out the disparity between Toyota/Lexus and Scion.

    Nor can I figure out how to shift my wife away from the xD she wants. :)
  • tifightertifighter Member Posts: 3,807
    I can't figure out the disparity between Toyota/Lexus and Scion.

    I was thinking that too. Also surprised to see Mazda down there...not my personal experience.

    25 NX 450h+ / 24 Sienna Plat AWD / 23 Civic Type-R / 21 Boxster GTS 4.0

  • michaellnomichaellno Member Posts: 4,120
    Nor can I figure out how to shift my wife away from the xD she wants.

    I took a test drive in an xD, and all I can say is that it's a bit ... er, how do I phrase this ... eccentric.

    The basic premise is positive. One price for a fairly well equipped ride, hatchback utility, Toyota reliability and resale.

    If only .... it wasn't so ugly.

    If only .... the tach didn't sweep counterclockwise.

    If only .... there was another 1-2" of travel in the front seat.
  • tifightertifighter Member Posts: 3,807
    If only .... there was another 1-2" of travel in the front seat.

    xD - Car & Driver called it the "asian-shop-girl driving position"

    25 NX 450h+ / 24 Sienna Plat AWD / 23 Civic Type-R / 21 Boxster GTS 4.0

  • british_roverbritish_rover Member Posts: 8,502
    Full disclosure I am not particularly fond of VWs and really do think they are troublesome with the exception of their diesel models.

    That being said JD Powers does not distinguish from a minor problem like a radio that stops work, a very minor problem like a broken cup holder, a non-problem what they call perceived design flaws if someone doesn't like the design of said cup holder or radio and a major problem like a blown transmission that leaves you stranded on the side of the road.

    Hows that for a run on sentence?

    I think VW has more of the minor and design flaw problems then really serious ones at least for their recent models. From an ergonomics stand point they just aren't set up like the similarly priced Japanese competition and some people can't get over that so they think it is a problem.

    Land Rover has the same problem. The vehicles Land Rover has come out with in the past couple of years are many, many times more reliable then the vehicles they made in the mid 90s to early 2000s but they still are quirky from a design stand point.

    MINI also suffers from the same fate. They have a very strange interior that some people just can't deal with and the cars ride rough because they are so short with a sport suspension. When the MINI first came out they got hammered for those perceived design flaws. The whole car is billed as a retro inspired hot hatch and you expect it to look like a Toyondaisan plus have a soft ride? :confuse:
  • woodywwwoodyww Member Posts: 1,806
    Ah, the joys of living in small town Indiana

    How far is South Bend from Chicago, 2 hours-ish? To me, any excuse to go to Chicago is worth it--I once traveled from So. IN, about 5 hrs each way, to buy a new car. Stayed overnight, Lot's o' fun.

    VW's......IMO, get one with plenty of warranty left, & a dealer really close by for repairs. Or lease. Or buy a toyota or subaru......instead.....
  • fezofezo Member Posts: 10,386
    I like quirky. That's why I keep coming back to that Saab....
    2015 Mazda 6 Grand Touring, 2014 Mazda 3 Sport Hatchback, 1999 Mazda Miata 2004 Toyota Camry LE, 1999.
  • steverstever Guest Posts: 52,454
    JD Powers does not distinguish from a minor problem

    I heard that they changed their methodology after all the complaints about HUMMERS over the gas mileage dinged the ratings of the rig.
  • british_roverbritish_rover Member Posts: 8,502
    Not as far as I know they have not. MINI was part of that same thing because of cup holders and ride quality. They actually did soften the suspension settings on the MINI because of the JD Powers ding and that made a lot of people on the enthusiast side upset with MINI USA.
  • steverstever Guest Posts: 52,454
    The way I understand it is that JD Power used to put everything under defects. Then they tweaked it to separately score stuff like cupholders. Supposedly that put more weight on mechanical failures and less weight on "style" kind of issues.

    "The study captures problems experienced by owners in two distinct categories: design-related problems, and defects and malfunctions." JD Power

    If MINI owners can't figure out how to use a switch, that's a "quality of life" issue and it seems reasonable to cover that in the IQS (I'd ding older Subarus for the idiotic parking light switch hidden atop the steering wheel).

    Their longer term star ratings and 3 year studies focus more on stuff like the engine and drivetrain.
  • sellaturcicasellaturcica Member Posts: 145
    3 years of vehice dependability? It's still under warranty. Call back after it gets out of warranty. The problems one of the magazines (? CAr and Driver) were having with the XF are not encouraging.
  • sellaturcicasellaturcica Member Posts: 145
    I also can't believe Audi and Chrysler are so high.
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