Chronic Car Buyers Anonymous (Archived)

stickguy

you mentioned the salesguy was gone. So who knows. Dealers sometimes get greedy and don't really care about that.

stickguy

some pretty harsh depreciation on this one. $75K in 3 years/10,000 miles? Yowzers.

https://www.royaleasing.com/details-2017-porsche-panamera-turbo_awd-used-wp0af2a73hl153461.html

stickguy

cdnpinhead said:

explorerx4 said:

This is an awesome car selling video.
About 12 minutes long.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TQeWRRM29PI

People with skills like this are why I own a timeshare that is a total pain in the [non-permissible content removed]. I'm pretty careful most of the time, but can be taken in. Not so much now that I'm a geezer.

that guy is good. Had numbers moving every which way. Made up half of them but still impressive! When they start doing that I usually just start subtracting to counter balance!

was probably doing fine on his trade though on the first pencil, but seemed to be getting hosed on the discount from new since they basically penciled at MSRP and "threw in" the bric a brac stuff.

To me, if you know that they were being realistic on the trade already, that has to mean they are making it up on the top line, so need to concentrate your effort there, since you know that they can easily show that they are already stepping up on the trade, taking your leverage away.

oldfarmer50

nyccarguy said:

stickguy said:

that Prius story sounds more like they either didn't want to deal with him, or more likely, sold it out from under him and made up the story as cover.

Agreed, but he bought 3 other cars from them in the last 14 months.

What have you done for me lately? I wonder if the management’s attitude is why his long term salesman left.

oldfarmer50

cdnpinhead said:

explorerx4 said:

This is an awesome car selling video.
About 12 minutes long.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TQeWRRM29PI

People with skills like this are why I own a timeshare that is a total pain in the [non-permissible content removed]. I'm pretty careful most of the time, but can be taken in. Not so much now that I'm a geezer.

Yikes! With all the gibberish and fast talking I’d either be asleep or out the door in 5 minutes.

Great example of why the OTD price is the only figure.

nyccarguy

stickguy said:

you mentioned the salesguy was gone. So who knows. Dealers sometimes get greedy and don't really care about that.

Sorry if I confused everyone. The sales manager is gone. The salesman is still there.

stickguy

Oh. My bad. That’s worse. Since the SM sets the tone and prices, could be new guy, new style.

tjc78

I would have walked out of that dealer so fast....

My car buying rule #1: Don't negotiate at the dealership. Only show up there to test drive and take delivery.

Oh, another thing:

Punch Pending.

28firefighter

Just tried to sneak that one in there.

Bets anyone? I'm guessing an MDX Tech.

sda

Thankfully my purchase of the Passat was fairly easy. Thanks to QB providing a working value on the Accord I was able to determine the difference I would pay between the two cars. As the VW dealer was 45 miles north of me, I called to verify the car was available and that I would be there within an hour. They had it ready for me to drive and appraised the Accord while I was taking a test drive (alone). Their original offer was reasonable but I did counter anyway. The finance person said, 'Oh an extended warranty doesn't make sense' as you already are getting the long CPO warranty. She did try to sell me some other services which I politely declined. Admin, tax, tag, and the difference between the Accord and Passat and the deal was done.

stickguy

I’ll bet on the XC90.

stickguy

My last deal was simple. I had Carvana offer for the trade, and dealer advertised they matched, so pretty well set. And had truecar quote from same dealer. So after a few electronic contacts, not much to discuss. Only wrinkle was finding some assumptions (incentives) built into the TC quote, which kept me from finalizing right at our visit.

Actually, I had 2 online purchase offers. I finally agreed to buy when dealer that would match Carvana agreed to also price match a competitor that quoted a lower purchase price (but much lower trade offer). All this though was done via text, so all I had to do was go in to do paperwork and take delivery.

breld

stickguy said:

I’ll bet on the XC90.

I'll also bet on the XC90.

stickguy

Dark horse is the Caddy but I think we might have heard stories on that.

Michaell

breld said:

stickguy said:

I’ll bet on the XC90.

I'll also bet on the XC90.

+1

Michaell

Member needs help selecting a large family SUV:

https://forums.edmunds.com/discussion/63887/lexus/lx-570/buying-advice-2015-lx570-2019-tahoe-2015-toyota-land-cruiser#latest

stickguy

Yellow MRS went for $8,200. Seems like a good deal to me. I might have bit at that.

Love this little buggy too. Very period cool.

https://carsandbids.com/auctions/rNQwoGGX/1990-jeep-wrangler-islander

Michaell

The Sentra SE-R is up to $6200, but with 5 days left I expect it to go much higher.

stickguy

That will break $10k I bet.

tjc78

Work day got away from me guys!

TLDR - XC90

So @28firefighter - The MDX was the bargain of the group. If it was solely for me and I could have squeezed it to $500 from the $520 I got down to, it would have been tough to pass up. Wife wasn't in love with it and we all know it's getting replaced soon. The 2017 Enclave was the last of the run and now really feels outdated.

Caddy - Dealers really didn't care if I bought or not. Leases were atrocious, $678 36/10 for a 53K vehicle. Wife would have been happy and we would have saved the dispo, but not at those prices. It's also a touch smaller than the others

And the winner as most of you called is the XC90. Wife's favorite (mine too). She wanted white over blonde just like my car, which isn't easy to come by. I reached out to a broker on LH offering a "light/light" 2020 with 9% off MSRP plus the added Volvo rebates stacking loyalty. Yielded a 619 payment with $619 DAS. He lowered his fee to $349 which is much lower than any other brokers. Wife is thrilled and yes we are a little hokey with color coordinated Volvos.

I'll recap the transaction once we pick up on Saturday.

Here is the car again. I know you all think I'm crazy but remember the carpets are black and leather cleans easily.

https://www.darcarsvolvocars.com/new/Volvo/2020-Volvo-XC90-Rockville+MD-777634550a0e0adf45cbab02dbe463bb.htm

[Deleted User]

It looks sharp @tjc78, well done and congrats!!!

xwesx

tjc78 said:

TLDR - XC90

Eech. They really should have washed it before the photos....

xwesx

Congrats on the punch! Lease or no, it always makes sense to balance the numbers with what you'll get for them.

28firefighter

Looks great!

corvette

Congrats on the pending punch! A used XC90 or a used CX-9 are possibilities when the Tundra lease goes back, if I don't lease another truck.

Michaell

Congrats, @tjc78! Sharp looking. Excited to get a family portrait.

oldfarmer50

tjc78 said:

Work day got away from me guys!

TLDR - XC90

So @28firefighter - The MDX was the bargain of the group. If it was solely for me and I could have squeezed it to $500 from the $520 I got down to, it would have been tough to pass up. Wife wasn't in love with it and we all know it's getting replaced soon. The 2017 Enclave was the last of the run and now really feels outdated.

Caddy - Dealers really didn't care if I bought or not. Leases were atrocious, $678 36/10 for a 53K vehicle. Wife would have been happy and we would have saved the dispo, but not at those prices. It's also a touch smaller than the others

And the winner as most of you called is the XC90. Wife's favorite (mine too). She wanted white over blonde just like my car, which isn't easy to come by. I reached out to a broker on LH offering a "light/light" 2020 with 9% off MSRP plus the added Volvo rebates stacking loyalty. Yielded a 619 payment with $619 DAS. He lowered his fee to $349 which is much lower than any other brokers. Wife is thrilled and yes we are a little hokey with color coordinated Volvos.

I'll recap the transaction once we pick up on Saturday.

Here is the car again. I know you all think I'm crazy but remember the carpets are black and leather cleans easily.

https://www.darcarsvolvocars.com/new/Volvo/2020-Volvo-XC90-Rockville+MD-777634550a0e0adf45cbab02dbe463bb.htm

Very nice.

breld

Congrats @tjc78! I love me a white Volvo!

fintail

Congrats, that interior color is nice (and will be fun to maintain )

stickguy

congrats. Now you have two cars I would really like (though would have gotten an XC60 since don't need the XL jumbo model)

tjc78

Thanks everyone!

I will take some pictures once we get it.

qbrozen

tjc78 said:

Work day got away from me guys!

TLDR - XC90

So @28firefighter - The MDX was the bargain of the group. If it was solely for me and I could have squeezed it to $500 from the $520 I got down to, it would have been tough to pass up. Wife wasn't in love with it and we all know it's getting replaced soon. The 2017 Enclave was the last of the run and now really feels outdated.

Caddy - Dealers really didn't care if I bought or not. Leases were atrocious, $678 36/10 for a 53K vehicle. Wife would have been happy and we would have saved the dispo, but not at those prices. It's also a touch smaller than the others

And the winner as most of you called is the XC90. Wife's favorite (mine too). She wanted white over blonde just like my car, which isn't easy to come by. I reached out to a broker on LH offering a "light/light" 2020 with 9% off MSRP plus the added Volvo rebates stacking loyalty. Yielded a 619 payment with $619 DAS. He lowered his fee to $349 which is much lower than any other brokers. Wife is thrilled and yes we are a little hokey with color coordinated Volvos.

I'll recap the transaction once we pick up on Saturday.

Here is the car again. I know you all think I'm crazy but remember the carpets are black and leather cleans easily.

https://www.darcarsvolvocars.com/new/Volvo/2020-Volvo-XC90-Rockville+MD-777634550a0e0adf45cbab02dbe463bb.htm

My wife would probably love that, too.

roadburner

Nice!

nyccarguy

Congrats @tjc78! Solid choice on the Volvo. For an extra $100 per month over the MDX, you got a MUCH nicer SUV. Good job working with the broker. It was very nice of him to lower his fee for you as well. Some of these guys are straight up take it or leave it.

suydam

Congrats on the new wheels! Sharp looking! I would not be able to maintain that interior, but you already have the experience with your car and obviously don’t mind it. It’s beautiful!

au1994

tjc78 said:

Work day got away from me guys!

TLDR - XC90

So @28firefighter - The MDX was the bargain of the group. If it was solely for me and I could have squeezed it to $500 from the $520 I got down to, it would have been tough to pass up. Wife wasn't in love with it and we all know it's getting replaced soon. The 2017 Enclave was the last of the run and now really feels outdated.

Caddy - Dealers really didn't care if I bought or not. Leases were atrocious, $678 36/10 for a 53K vehicle. Wife would have been happy and we would have saved the dispo, but not at those prices. It's also a touch smaller than the others

And the winner as most of you called is the XC90. Wife's favorite (mine too). She wanted white over blonde just like my car, which isn't easy to come by. I reached out to a broker on LH offering a "light/light" 2020 with 9% off MSRP plus the added Volvo rebates stacking loyalty. Yielded a 619 payment with $619 DAS. He lowered his fee to $349 which is much lower than any other brokers. Wife is thrilled and yes we are a little hokey with color coordinated Volvos.

I'll recap the transaction once we pick up on Saturday.

Here is the car again. I know you all think I'm crazy but remember the carpets are black and leather cleans easily.

https://www.darcarsvolvocars.com/new/Volvo/2020-Volvo-XC90-Rockville+MD-777634550a0e0adf45cbab02dbe463bb.htm

Congrats on the XC90. Great looking. Our X6 had ivory interior and surprisingly, it was not that hard to maintain.

au1994

explorerx4 said:

This is an awesome car selling video.
About 12 minutes long.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TQeWRRM29PI

My goodness...Finally took the time to watch. I didn’t know whether to laugh, cry or vomit. Right off the bat the line about splash guards ‘quadrupling your investment’ made coffee come out of my nose!

This is why you should only come in for the final test drive and to sign (fully correct) papers!!

explorerx4

@au1994,
Sorry, next time I'll have to include a disclaimer about drinking coffee while viewing.

au1994

Starting to kick around ideas for a replacement for the wife’s X1 if a year end deal can be had. Contenders so far:

Q5 Premium Plus
Nautilus Reserve
XC60 Inscription
X3 but pricing on these with the right options is ridiculous and would have to go svc loaner
X4 same as above and loaners are thin on the ground right now

Not a lot in this sized SUV world leasing well right now and with the LC we really don’t need 2 3 row SUV.s. She’s set on an SUV though. Wants something that sits higher than the X1.

I pushed the MDX. It’s a little bigger but seems to lease well right now. She’s already had one so that was out. Liked it but just doesn’t want a repeat.

tjc78

X3 or XC60 are your best bets for a decent lease in that crowd. Not a bad choice in the group at all. With BMW you'll have loyalty and save the dispo fee at least!

My wife is too funny with the dispo fee. She said I have to negotiate that out. I told her there is no way as it's set by the bank. I explained we avoided it three cars in a row, and to get over it.

au1994

tjc78 said:

X3 or XC60 are your best bets for a decent lease in that crowd. Not a bad choice in the group at all. With BMW you'll have loyalty and save the dispo fee at least!

My wife is too funny with the dispo fee. She said I have to negotiate that out. I told her there is no way as it's set by the bank. I explained we avoided it three cars in a row, and to get over it.

Yes, there is a very nice Denim over blond XC60 locally. The X1 is my 6th BMW but I am having a very hard time justifying their pricing anymore. Upwards of $70k for new X4’s and X3’s is crazy when you compare option by option to others in the class. And they just don’t drive well enough to justify that premium anymore.

stickguy

the RDX is very nice in this class. Not that I am biased or anything. Can't really speak to lease cost though at this point.

au1994

stickguy said:

the RDX is very nice in this class. Not that I am biased or anything. Can't really speak to lease cost though at this point.

Yes, i agree. She’s so-so on the looks and at last check, it didn’t lease well.

Not against financing any of them given the right deal of course.

andres3

au1994 said:

stickguy said:

the RDX is very nice in this class. Not that I am biased or anything. Can't really speak to lease cost though at this point.

Yes, i agree. She’s so-so on the looks and at last check, it didn’t lease well.

Not against financing any of them given the right deal of course.

Check out a fully loaded Tiguan, probably bargains to be had which is rare in the SUV market.

mjfloyd1

stickguy said:

some pretty harsh depreciation on this one. $75K in 3 years/10,000 miles? Yowzers.

https://www.royaleasing.com/details-2017-porsche-panamera-turbo_awd-used-wp0af2a73hl153461.html

That is a nice looking car but I suspect they will continue to drop like rocks now that the Taycan is out

qbrozen

I don't get it.
https://bringatrailer.com/listing/2016-cxc-simulator-motion-pro-ii-simulator/

I can get a real car for the current $10k bid. And... seriously? $100k new?!? I can get a RACECAR for that!! And lots of money left over for track time!

28firefighter

Yeah this doesn’t do it for me.

28firefighter

My mechanic has a 2008 BMW 528 xDrive 6MT for sale. One owner, bunch of maintenance done because he planned to keep it for himself. $7k. Could be a great deal if the miles aren’t too crazy...

stickguy

that sounds tasty!

ab348

qbrozen said:

I don't get it.
https://bringatrailer.com/listing/2016-cxc-simulator-motion-pro-ii-simulator/

I can get a real car for the current $10k bid. And... seriously? $100k new?!? I can get a RACECAR for that!! And lots of money left over for track time!

Yeah, I was stunned to recently see a commercial on one of the sports channels up here advertising a contest put on by one of the sponsors of a sweepstakes with the grand prize being one of those i-racing simulators. The ad said the price of the thing was $75K. I'm sure that the tech is amazing, but that really is a sign that you have too much money. I suppose the next big thing will be at-home flight simulators.