Chronic Car Buyers Anonymous (Archived)

stickguy

@au1994 said:

@stickguy said:
She just stole our car early this AM to go to the gym. Gave me agita.

I noticed the double spacing when you type. But it posts normal single space. Odd.

That would probably be enough to send me straight to the local BHPH lot or Craigslist for a $5k beater.

Oh, no way we could share 1 for all 3 of us very long. But she leaves for Boston this week (Thursday) so a short term problem! She will be back for a week in July so that could become dicey.,.

explorerx4

@benjaminh,
Fuel and spare parts were scarce until after the war.

Michaell

@stickguy said:
She just stole our car early this AM to go to the gym. Gave me agita.

I noticed the double spacing when you type. But it posts normal single space. Odd.

The double spacing issue is being looked into.

henryn

@benjaminh said:
The rising prices for used cars has made me wonder what things were like during World War II. With no production of new cars for almost four years I can imagine that prices started going up a few days after December 7th—and kept rising until late 1945. I can imagine that even beater cars from the 1920s were kept going until the end of the war. But by 1946 I imagine the prices for pre-war cars started to slowly fall.

My understanding, from listening to the people who lived through it, is that car usage declined pretty dramatically during the war years. Gasoline was rationed, and very hard to come by. Tires were pretty much impossible, as all of the rubber was reserved for war use. The interesting period was right after the war. There was a tremendous amount of pent up demand, people wanted cars, but it took time for GM, Ford and Chrysler to switch over from producing tanks and airplanes.

henryn

@au1994 said:

@stickguy said:
She just stole our car early this AM to go to the gym. Gave me agita.

I noticed the double spacing when you type. But it posts normal single space. Odd.

That would probably be enough to send me straight to the local BHPH lot or Craigslist for a $5k beater.

"$5k beater" -- that just sounds wrong somehow. Is that allowing for the present crazy market, or has inflation taken us to where it costs $5,000 for a "beater"? I know that 5 years ago it was still possible, around here, to pick up a 12 to 15 year old car in decent condition, good tires, working A/C for around $2,500 to $3,000.

stickguy

I think the old $1k cars are now $2,000-2,500 (runs but ugly) and the old $5k units (decent shape, higher miles maybe but overall solid basic transportation) now push $10k.

nyccarguy

@sda said:

@nyccarguy said:
OK. My wife is on her way to the Ford dealer to test drive the Explorer. I'll let you guys know how things work out.

If she gives the green light, it will be interesting to see what kind of deal you can put together considering the current market conditions and lack of availability.

OK. My wife gave the green light to the Explorer. She says it seems smaller than our Pilot, but she is just used to the Pilot after 3+ years. She took my lanky 14 year old son with her to try out the 2nd & 3rd row space. She has decided that she wants 2nd row Captain's Chairs.

I posted in the proper forum and am anxiously awaiting the current month's programs. I'm not sure how often dealers update their websites, but inventory (of XLTs) seems to be healthy-ish. I guess I'll find out when I call up and they let me know whether a particular truck is in stock or not.

My issue is going to be options. I'll be searching for an Explorer that has AT LEAST the following:
(1) Captain's Chairs - These are standard, the bench is an option. I see a lot more vehicles that have the optional bench. I'll have to expand my search area if need be.

(2) Tow Package - I don't tow anything, but need the hitch for my bike rack. I looked into buying a CURT hitch like I did for my Pilot, but installation seems to be a little bit more complex than I'm willing to tackle. Our Pilot required me to simply bolt it into place using factory pre-tapped holes in the frame. The Explorer requires you to drop the exhaust system, cut out a portion of the rear bumper cover, remove the heat shields, cut them...

(3) Ford Co-Pilot 360+ - this gives you adaptive cruise control.

(4) Black Interior

breld

@tjc78 said:
I’m curious about that video. I’ll try and watch tomorrow.

The XC90 is still too new to tell but hasn’t had any issues in the first 2500 miles.

The S60 has had the steering wheel buttons replaced and the sunroof wiring harness was never connected properly at the factory. It came loose and the sunroof wouldn’t close. That car is nearly two years old and hasn’t crossed 9,000 miles.

We really enjoy both of them. The S60 is deceptively fast and for a F/AWD car handles well. The XC90 is extremely comfortable, quick enough (6.1 to 60) and the ride is fantastic. It handles better than any other large SUV I’ve driven recently. I’m sure a Q7 or Explorer ST is better, but it’s damn good.

I've only owned the two Volvo wagons, but to me Volvos offer a high amount of comfort and more than competent performance, while perhaps trailing a bit in overall driving dynamics compared to some German counterparts. But what I like most about the Volvos is their character - they're not scarce, but certainly more unique than the BMWs, Audis and MBs around. And there's nothing pretentious about them.

tifighter

So Vroom came back with a number on the Z4.
$19.5K.

au1994

@nyccarguy said:

@sda said:

@nyccarguy said:
OK. My wife is on her way to the Ford dealer to test drive the Explorer. I'll let you guys know how things work out.

If she gives the green light, it will be interesting to see what kind of deal you can put together considering the current market conditions and lack of availability.

OK. My wife gave the green light to the Explorer. She says it seems smaller than our Pilot, but she is just used to the Pilot after 3+ years. She took my lanky 14 year old son with her to try out the 2nd & 3rd row space. She has decided that she wants 2nd row Captain's Chairs.

I posted in the proper forum and am anxiously awaiting the current month's programs. I'm not sure how often dealers update their websites, but inventory (of XLTs) seems to be healthy-ish. I guess I'll find out when I call up and they let me know whether a particular truck is in stock or not.

My issue is going to be options. I'll be searching for an Explorer that has AT LEAST the following:
(1) Captain's Chairs - These are standard, the bench is an option. I see a lot more vehicles that have the optional bench. I'll have to expand my search area if need be.

(2) Tow Package - I don't tow anything, but need the hitch for my bike rack. I looked into buying a CURT hitch like I did for my Pilot, but installation seems to be a little bit more complex than I'm willing to tackle. Our Pilot required me to simply bolt it into place using factory pre-tapped holes in the frame. The Explorer requires you to drop the exhaust system, cut out a portion of the rear bumper cover, remove the heat shields, cut them...

(3) Ford Co-Pilot 360+ - this gives you adaptive cruise control.

(4) Black Interior

Good deal! I know nothing about the options on these, IE I thought Co-Pilot was standard on most trims. I know the black interior wouldn’t be a problem in my area. 4WD I assume? Any preference on exterior color?

nyccarguy

This one seems to fit the bill:

https://www.parkfordofmahopac.com/new/Ford/2021-Ford-Explorer-mahopac-b2c8c8d30a0e0a6b420ca9a3d0ee967f.htm

au1994

@breld said:

@tjc78 said:
I’m curious about that video. I’ll try and watch tomorrow.

The XC90 is still too new to tell but hasn’t had any issues in the first 2500 miles.

The S60 has had the steering wheel buttons replaced and the sunroof wiring harness was never connected properly at the factory. It came loose and the sunroof wouldn’t close. That car is nearly two years old and hasn’t crossed 9,000 miles.

We really enjoy both of them. The S60 is deceptively fast and for a F/AWD car handles well. The XC90 is extremely comfortable, quick enough (6.1 to 60) and the ride is fantastic. It handles better than any other large SUV I’ve driven recently. I’m sure a Q7 or Explorer ST is better, but it’s damn good.

I've only owned the two Volvo wagons, but to me Volvos offer a high amount of comfort and more than competent performance, while perhaps trailing a bit in overall driving dynamics compared to some German counterparts. But what I like most about the Volvos is their character - they're not scarce, but certainly more unique than the BMWs, Audis and MBs around. And there's nothing pretentious about them.

The character and fact you don’t see one at every stoplight is what has always drawn me to Volvo’s and formerly Saab’s. The ex-wife had an S40 T5 and that was a little rocket. Never got a chance with a Saab. By the time they were in my price range they were GM-ized.

Once we get our vehicle plan in place I am going to have my wife look at both the XC60 and 90 if she wants an C/SUV. Maybe we could complete the mythical double dip...S60 for me and XC60 for her on the same day.

28firefighter

@tifighter said:
So Vroom came back with a number on the Z4.
$19.5K.

Don't get rid of that. Odds are you will not find another one like it in that kind of shape.

explorerx4

FORD CO-PILOT360 ASSIST+ 895.00
.ADAPTIVE CRUISE CONTROL
.VOICE-ACTV TOUCHSCRN NAV SYS
.EVASIVE STEERING ASSIST

tifighter

@28firefighter said:

@tifighter said:
So Vroom came back with a number on the Z4.
$19.5K.

Don't get rid of that. Odds are you will not find another one like it in that kind of shape.

I know. It's more than I bought it for. So, I'm fighting my CCBA tendencies.

fintail

I've studied that market a bit, simply by looking at old newspapers (the Google news archive still exists, and my local paper is featured, I can view almost anything from before 1900 into the 1990s). Used car prices seem to have doubled by around 1943, and remained strong until at least 1946. The big prices were on the latest cars, of course, but if one compares prices in 1940-41 to 1944-45, even oldies inflated heavily. The OPA had price ceilings for cars based on make and year, and sellers knew all about it, and priced accordingly - I think this system is generally regarded as a success at slowing (not eliminating) inflation. Home front workers and soldiers alike had money to spend and nothing to spend it on, so I think there was still a busy used car trade. I am sure some also hoarded cars in hopes of increasing prices, like some are doing in the ridiculous housing market right now.

@benjaminh said:
The rising prices for used cars has made me wonder what things were like during World War II. With no production of new cars for almost four years I can imagine that prices started going up a few days after December 7th—and kept rising until late 1945. I can imagine that even beater cars from the 1920s were kept going until the end of the war. But by 1946 I imagine the prices for pre-war cars started to slowly fall.

breld

Wife and I discussed what will replace the X3 - I brought up the sensible option of keeping it if we're just gonna turn around and replace it with something similar in a few months. Not that I don't welcome saving the payment for a little while and, most significantly, another shopping experience.

She immediately said she'd rather give up the X3 and sort of surprised me by saying she'd prefer something larger in the garage. Her point was that if we're gonna have an extra vehicle like that, why not have something that hits all the points for things like extra hauling capacity, room for family when needed, road trips, etc. The idea would be to have something with that kind of utility that we can actually just keep while we turn our personal/fun cars as we please. We've had that goal for awhile and keep inventing reasons to trade out any and all our vehicles, but we'd certainly like to make a concerted effort.

An XC90 is one of the top choices that we both like a lot, but I'm also taking a closer look at the new MDX. I like the new Acura styling a lot, and a new one is not exorbitantly more than a used Volvo, BMW, etc.

tjc78

@au1994 said:

@breld said:

@tjc78 said:
I’m curious about that video. I’ll try and watch tomorrow.

The XC90 is still too new to tell but hasn’t had any issues in the first 2500 miles.

The S60 has had the steering wheel buttons replaced and the sunroof wiring harness was never connected properly at the factory. It came loose and the sunroof wouldn’t close. That car is nearly two years old and hasn’t crossed 9,000 miles.

We really enjoy both of them. The S60 is deceptively fast and for a F/AWD car handles well. The XC90 is extremely comfortable, quick enough (6.1 to 60) and the ride is fantastic. It handles better than any other large SUV I’ve driven recently. I’m sure a Q7 or Explorer ST is better, but it’s damn good.

I've only owned the two Volvo wagons, but to me Volvos offer a high amount of comfort and more than competent performance, while perhaps trailing a bit in overall driving dynamics compared to some German counterparts. But what I like most about the Volvos is their character - they're not scarce, but certainly more unique than the BMWs, Audis and MBs around. And there's nothing pretentious about them.

The character and fact you don’t see one at every stoplight is what has always drawn me to Volvo’s and formerly Saab’s. The ex-wife had an S40 T5 and that was a little rocket. Never got a chance with a Saab. By the time they were in my price range they were GM-ized.

Once we get our vehicle plan in place I am going to have my wife look at both the XC60 and 90 if she wants an C/SUV. Maybe we could complete the mythical double dip...S60 for me and XC60 for her on the same day.

May as well go the extra mile and make them the same colors too!

au1994

@tjc78 said:

@au1994 said:

@breld said:

@tjc78 said:
I’m curious about that video. I’ll try and watch tomorrow.

The XC90 is still too new to tell but hasn’t had any issues in the first 2500 miles.

The S60 has had the steering wheel buttons replaced and the sunroof wiring harness was never connected properly at the factory. It came loose and the sunroof wouldn’t close. That car is nearly two years old and hasn’t crossed 9,000 miles.

We really enjoy both of them. The S60 is deceptively fast and for a F/AWD car handles well. The XC90 is extremely comfortable, quick enough (6.1 to 60) and the ride is fantastic. It handles better than any other large SUV I’ve driven recently. I’m sure a Q7 or Explorer ST is better, but it’s damn good.

I've only owned the two Volvo wagons, but to me Volvos offer a high amount of comfort and more than competent performance, while perhaps trailing a bit in overall driving dynamics compared to some German counterparts. But what I like most about the Volvos is their character - they're not scarce, but certainly more unique than the BMWs, Audis and MBs around. And there's nothing pretentious about them.

The character and fact you don’t see one at every stoplight is what has always drawn me to Volvo’s and formerly Saab’s. The ex-wife had an S40 T5 and that was a little rocket. Never got a chance with a Saab. By the time they were in my price range they were GM-ized.

Once we get our vehicle plan in place I am going to have my wife look at both the XC60 and 90 if she wants an C/SUV. Maybe we could complete the mythical double dip...S60 for me and XC60 for her on the same day.

May as well go the extra mile and make them the same colors too!

Absolutely! Make ours Denim over Blond, please!

stickguy

I looked by me. Not many explorers. A few XLTs with co pilot, but looks like gray interior? Maybe it’s ebony 2 toned. Seems that the tow package is a problem to find. Maybe just have them add it?

stickguy

I love denim blue on a Volvo.

Breld, the new MDX is really nice. Serious upgrade over the prior model. And definitely big! Or you can always just get an F150.

corvette

@nyccarguy - I checked the Ford dealer near me, and it seems like the Explorers that are factory equipped with adaptive cruise and a hitch tend to be Limited or Platinum trims. They had one XLT equipped that way vs. eight of Limited and Platinum combined.

henryn

@stickguy said:
I love denim blue on a Volvo.

Breld, the new MDX is really nice. Serious upgrade over the prior model. And definitely big! Or you can always just get an F150.

Good luck actually finding an F150.

au1994

@breld said:
Wife and I discussed what will replace the X3 - I brought up the sensible option of keeping it if we're just gonna turn around and replace it with something similar in a few months. Not that I don't welcome saving the payment for a little while and, most significantly, another shopping experience.

She immediately said she'd rather give up the X3 and sort of surprised me by saying she'd prefer something larger in the garage. Her point was that if we're gonna have an extra vehicle like that, why not have something that hits all the points for things like extra hauling capacity, room for family when needed, road trips, etc. The idea would be to have something with that kind of utility that we can actually just keep while we turn our personal/fun cars as we please. We've had that goal for awhile and keep inventing reasons to trade out any and all our vehicles, but we'd certainly like to make a concerted effort.

An XC90 is one of the top choices that we both like a lot, but I'm also taking a closer look at the new MDX. I like the new Acura styling a lot, and a new one is not exorbitantly more than a used Volvo, BMW, etc.

Go big or go home...Tahoe in High Country trim. You liked your Durango with the Hemi so you might appreciate a big ‘Murican SUV with a V8. Or get the Suburban version and haul everybody you know and a few you don’t.

qbrozen

@breld said:
Wife and I discussed what will replace the X3 - I brought up the sensible option of keeping it if we're just gonna turn around and replace it with something similar in a few months. Not that I don't welcome saving the payment for a little while and, most significantly, another shopping experience.

She immediately said she'd rather give up the X3 and sort of surprised me by saying she'd prefer something larger in the garage. Her point was that if we're gonna have an extra vehicle like that, why not have something that hits all the points for things like extra hauling capacity, room for family when needed, road trips, etc. The idea would be to have something with that kind of utility that we can actually just keep while we turn our personal/fun cars as we please. We've had that goal for awhile and keep inventing reasons to trade out any and all our vehicles, but we'd certainly like to make a concerted effort.

An XC90 is one of the top choices that we both like a lot, but I'm also taking a closer look at the new MDX. I like the new Acura styling a lot, and a new one is not exorbitantly more than a used Volvo, BMW, etc.

Huh? I thought you traded the X3 on the Polestar?

stickguy

Deal isn’t done until the iron rolls over the curb!

corvette

@henryn said:

@stickguy said:
I love denim blue on a Volvo.

Breld, the new MDX is really nice. Serious upgrade over the prior model. And definitely big! Or you can always just get an F150.

Good luck actually finding an F150.

Trucks can be found, just not available for sale.

breld

@qbrozen said:

@breld said:
Wife and I discussed what will replace the X3 - I brought up the sensible option of keeping it if we're just gonna turn around and replace it with something similar in a few months. Not that I don't welcome saving the payment for a little while and, most significantly, another shopping experience.

She immediately said she'd rather give up the X3 and sort of surprised me by saying she'd prefer something larger in the garage. Her point was that if we're gonna have an extra vehicle like that, why not have something that hits all the points for things like extra hauling capacity, room for family when needed, road trips, etc. The idea would be to have something with that kind of utility that we can actually just keep while we turn our personal/fun cars as we please. We've had that goal for awhile and keep inventing reasons to trade out any and all our vehicles, but we'd certainly like to make a concerted effort.

An XC90 is one of the top choices that we both like a lot, but I'm also taking a closer look at the new MDX. I like the new Acura styling a lot, and a new one is not exorbitantly more than a used Volvo, BMW, etc.

Huh? I thought you traded the X3 on the Polestar?

Yes, deal just isn't done yet. Still waiting on arrival of the Polestar. So, technically, we could still change our minds and hold onto the X3.

henryn

@corvette said:

@henryn said:

@stickguy said:
I love denim blue on a Volvo.

Breld, the new MDX is really nice. Serious upgrade over the prior model. And definitely big! Or you can always just get an F150.

Good luck actually finding an F150.

Trucks can be found, just not available for sale.

There was an unstated assumption in there that I was talking about finding one available for sale and affordable. There actually are a few F150's (a very few) on dealer lots around here. But you're going to have to take what you can find (colors, options), and pay list price plus dealer add-ons.

That site you linked to won't let you in if you're running an ad-blocker. Being an IT pro, I take great pride on getting around such things!

Michaell

@au1994 said:

@breld said:
Wife and I discussed what will replace the X3 - I brought up the sensible option of keeping it if we're just gonna turn around and replace it with something similar in a few months. Not that I don't welcome saving the payment for a little while and, most significantly, another shopping experience.

She immediately said she'd rather give up the X3 and sort of surprised me by saying she'd prefer something larger in the garage. Her point was that if we're gonna have an extra vehicle like that, why not have something that hits all the points for things like extra hauling capacity, room for family when needed, road trips, etc. The idea would be to have something with that kind of utility that we can actually just keep while we turn our personal/fun cars as we please. We've had that goal for awhile and keep inventing reasons to trade out any and all our vehicles, but we'd certainly like to make a concerted effort.

An XC90 is one of the top choices that we both like a lot, but I'm also taking a closer look at the new MDX. I like the new Acura styling a lot, and a new one is not exorbitantly more than a used Volvo, BMW, etc.

Go big or go home...Tahoe in High Country trim. You liked your Durango with the Hemi so you might appreciate a big ‘Murican SUV with a V8. Or get the Suburban version and haul everybody you know and a few you don’t.

Can maintain social distancing, even when in the same vehicle!

au1994

Nice example here...

https://bringatrailer.com/listing/2002-acura-rsx-10/

oldfarmer50

@au1994 said:

@stickguy said:
She just stole our car early this AM to go to the gym. Gave me agita.

I noticed the double spacing when you type. But it posts normal single space. Odd.

That would probably be enough to send me straight to the local BHPH lot or Craigslist for a $5k beater.

Yeah, except the $5k beater is now a $10k beater.

oldfarmer50

@stickguy said:
I think the old $1k cars are now $2,000-2,500 (runs but ugly) and the old $5k units (decent shape, higher miles maybe but overall solid basic transportation) now push $10k.

Here’s a bargain for you.

https://newjersey.craigslist.org/cto/d/linden-2010-mercury-grand-marquis-ls/7308513999.html

oldfarmer50

@nyccarguy said:
This one seems to fit the bill:

https://www.parkfordofmahopac.com/new/Ford/2021-Ford-Explorer-mahopac-b2c8c8d30a0e0a6b420ca9a3d0ee967f.htm

I’m surprised that any dealer is offering discounts theses days.

cdnpinhead

It's not as if you actually use the vehicle(s) to go anywhere or enjoy travel, or if you do, it's cleverly disguised.
Watching this unfold is, well, interesting, much like, I don't know, It's a very different world.
Party on, I guess. Someone needs to run the economy, and it's not going to be me.

oldfarmer50

@au1994 said:
Nice example here...

https://bringatrailer.com/listing/2002-acura-rsx-10/

Hard to find those in good shape these days.

henryn

@oldfarmer50 said:

@stickguy said:
I think the old $1k cars are now $2,000-2,500 (runs but ugly) and the old $5k units (decent shape, higher miles maybe but overall solid basic transportation) now push $10k.

Here’s a bargain for you.

https://newjersey.craigslist.org/cto/d/linden-2010-mercury-grand-marquis-ls/7308513999.html

Those old Crown Vic's and Grand Marquis' make great beaters. I have owned one, they get the job done quite well, almost never seem to break, and when they do, cheap and easy to fix.

au1994

@henryn said:

@oldfarmer50 said:

@stickguy said:
I think the old $1k cars are now $2,000-2,500 (runs but ugly) and the old $5k units (decent shape, higher miles maybe but overall solid basic transportation) now push $10k.

Here’s a bargain for you.

https://newjersey.craigslist.org/cto/d/linden-2010-mercury-grand-marquis-ls/7308513999.html

Those old Crown Vic's and Grand Marquis' make great beaters. I have owned one, they get the job done quite well, almost never seem to break, and when they do, cheap and easy to fix.

That one is hardly broken in!

explorerx4

That G-M even has a tach!

au1994

@explorerx4 said:
That G-M even has a tach!

For rev matching on the way to the early bird special is my guess.

henryn

@au1994 said:

@explorerx4 said:
That G-M even has a tach!

For rev matching on the way to the early bird special is my guess.

What, you can "rev match" on an automatic? Why does no one ever tell me these things?

tjc78

@explorerx4 said:
That G-M even has a tach!

2006 to the end!
Aside from the 03-04 Marauder which had one before the other Panthers.

roadburner

@oldfarmer50 said:

@breld said:
Another fun throwback review on C&D:

https://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/comparison-test/a36291810/1989-sports-coupe-comparison-test/

The interiors are fun to see. That Probe GT - may be a bit too much red for even @graphicguy!

If you want a Probe, how about this?

https://hudsonvalley.craigslist.org/cto/d/highland-classic-ford-probe-gt/7309269798.html

I always liked the style of those.

My wife looked at a first generation Probe but we both hated the motorized "mouse belts" and every idiot salesman couldn't comprehend that I wouldn't consider one without ABS...

qbrozen

Nice. Would have had this sooner had I remembered to send them the bill of lading.

roadburner

@breld said:

@tjc78 said:
I’m curious about that video. I’ll try and watch tomorrow.

The XC90 is still too new to tell but hasn’t had any issues in the first 2500 miles.

The S60 has had the steering wheel buttons replaced and the sunroof wiring harness was never connected properly at the factory. It came loose and the sunroof wouldn’t close. That car is nearly two years old and hasn’t crossed 9,000 miles.

We really enjoy both of them. The S60 is deceptively fast and for a F/AWD car handles well. The XC90 is extremely comfortable, quick enough (6.1 to 60) and the ride is fantastic. It handles better than any other large SUV I’ve driven recently. I’m sure a Q7 or Explorer ST is better, but it’s damn good.

I've only owned the two Volvo wagons, but to me Volvos offer a high amount of comfort and more than competent performance, while perhaps trailing a bit in overall driving dynamics compared to some German counterparts. But what I like most about the Volvos is their character - they're not scarce, but certainly more unique than the BMWs, Audis and MBs around. And there's nothing pretentious about them.

I liked my wife's 1991 740 Turbo, but once every Volvo went FWD/AWD I lost interest in a nanosecond.

roadburner

The ZF 8HP in my 2er and X1 rev-matches on every downshift.

mlevine

In December replaced the Jeep Grand Cherokee with XC90 T6 momentum. Pretty amazing vehicle as I was skeptical at first. Costco discount was helpful. Limited choices as far as color. I thought the white and denin colors were nice.

tjc78

@mlevine said:
In December replaced the Jeep Grand Cherokee with XC90 T6 momentum. Pretty amazing vehicle as I was skeptical at first. Costco discount was helpful. Limited choices as far as color. I thought the white and denin colors were nice.

Same trim as mine, I think I mentioned before but I really wouldn’t want the T5 in the 90.

mlevine

tjc78
I agree the XC90 T5 engine is underpowered. The T6 picks up very well. I hope you are are enjoying your vehicle. The white and denin were only available in the T5. Have the dark gray.

stickguy

@oldfarmer50 said:

@stickguy said:
I think the old $1k cars are now $2,000-2,500 (runs but ugly) and the old $5k units (decent shape, higher miles maybe but overall solid basic transportation) now push $10k.

Here’s a bargain for you.

https://newjersey.craigslist.org/cto/d/linden-2010-mercury-grand-marquis-ls/7308513999.html

I'll keep sharing a car before I drive around in a GM. No offense to the land yacht lovers here!