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VW Jetta TDI



  • jim314jim314 Posts: 491
    With just the paper element being changed it is much easier to satisfy the environmental requirements. The remaining oil can pressed out of the paper element very easily, reducing the amount of oil ending up in the landfill. The procedure may be that the oil soaked paper element is incinerated.

    The paper filter element was presumably the main cost of the filter. The absence of the steel can means that any flaws in the filter element would be visible, enabling detection of a defective filter. Quality control is enhanced.
  • ruking1ruking1 Posts: 18,387
    Since the majority of vehicles are gasser, makes you wonder why they do not need to meet those same environmental requirements. This is not even mentioning the fact that D2 breaks down far friendlier than RUG to PUG. Indeed during the life cycle great pains are taken to limit RUG to PUGs atmospheric evaporations.
  • icaticat Posts: 12
    That was outstanding, thank you.
  • bristol2bristol2 Posts: 736
    I am not a current VW owner but could be convinced by this vehicle:
    link title

    Can any of you guys comment on the likelihood of VW truly coming to market with the Sportwagon TDI (non-50 state) in summer 2008 and then with the 50-state just one year later? Seems unlikely to me.

    FWIW, I'm in a non-CARB state and would FAR rather have the non-CARB version.
  • sebring95sebring95 Posts: 3,238
    Reading the article, it says it’ll be 50-state from the start. Fall of ’08. Likelihood of it actually being here in fall of ’08? Pretty good. Likelihood you’ll wanna pay the premium VW dealers are gonna try to get for them? Ha!

    Once the diesel geeks buy them up it might be a different story. The bad part I see right now is a 30% fuel efficiency increase vs diesel running 20+% higher isn’t quite the payback it used to be. I’m still gonna check out the Tiguan if the AWD TDI version actually shows up. To date, VW has never offered an AWD diesel here in the states and I’m not holding my breath. But that’s the one I’ll buy if it shows.
  • british_roverbritish_rover Posts: 8,458
    While not all that fuel efficient the Toureg V10 TDI is AWD.
  • ruking1ruking1 Posts: 18,387
    Dumb questions and off topic, but why do you want AWD, does it snow where you are?
  • sebring95sebring95 Posts: 3,238
    While not all that fuel efficient the Toureg V10 TDI is AWD. Totally shot that one didn't I? Wasn't even on my they haven't build an AWD car or car like vehicle which is where the Tiguan is heading.
  • sebring95sebring95 Posts: 3,238
    Dumb questions and off topic, but why do you want AWD, does it snow where you are?

    Yes, I get into snow. It would be the ulitimate vehicle being able to go where I need to go (i'm sure it would need snow tires) AND get much better mpg than the typical AWD choices out there. Of course if it has a significant mpg penalty it wouldn't be worth it. I can just drive my truck when I'm getting into the nasty stuff which is what I always did with my previous TDI. Say XX required trips using the truck vs a Xmpg penalty for the AWD Tiguan will be the start of the math equation.
  • british_roverbritish_rover Posts: 8,458
    Your other option would be Subaru as they are planning to bring their Boxer diesel engine to the states. It is probably still a few years off though.
  • bpeeblesbpeebles Posts: 4,085
    I may be in a unique position to comment on this. For many years, I only owned 4X4 vehicles (1976 Chevy Blazer, 1981 AMC Eagle, Honda CIVIC 4X4...etc)

    My wife REALLY wanted to stick with a 4WD vehicle... but I wanted a TDI. We compromized and got the TDI with the ESP option. Here in Vermont winters, this setup works very well.

    Lets not forget that VW has 3 distinct "systems" that help improve driving in slippery conditions.

    1) EDL (Electronic Differential Lock) which automatically applys brake on spinning wheel to force torque to other drive wheel.
    2) ASR (Automatic Slip Regulation) This system cuts throttle if BOTH drivewheels start to lose traction.
    3)ESP (Electronic Stability Control) This system combines ABS with yaw sensors and a steering-wheel-position sensor and can apply brakes on ANY ONE WHEEL. It is almost impossible to make the car go into a skid (I have tried it in snow-coverd parkinglot)

    I have tried to "outsmart" these traction-enhancing systems on snowy roads. If I 'dump' the clutch, these systems immedeatly take over and only accelerate the car as traction permits. If I slam on the brakes, the ABS takes over. If I turn too sharp, the ESP corrects the skid. It is almost uncanny.

    More about ESP

    For your enjoyment, here is VW commercial about ESP.

    Video comparing ESP to NON-ESP

    Here is a writeup about ESP.

    My point? - You may want to REALLY THINK about if you need 4 wheel drive vehicle. All 4WD systems add weight, complexity and reduce MPG. For me, getting up to 56 MPG far outweighs the need to have real 4WD when the other technologies will suffice.
  • cosmocosmo Posts: 203
    I would like to add my ditto.

    We drive the Cascade mountain passes several times each winter, and during heavy blizzards when the super troopers decide that everyone who is not driving a 4WD or AWD has to chain up, the biggest challenge driving our Passat and Jetta equipped with studless winter tires is to weave our way uphill through the big burly SUV's that are stranded in the middle of the road because their weight and torque are too much for their "mud and snow" tires to hold traction. I don't worry about the super troopers stopping us because we haven't chained up since they are usually helping the SUV's back down and over to a shoulder.

    Granted, when the snow is so deep you are pushing it with your bumper, a high SUV or 4WD truck with chains on the front tires is about the only way to go. And of course there are those folks who just really like driving on bad, bad roads. (I have to confess to being one of them.)
  • sebring95sebring95 Posts: 3,238
    I believe a lot of the trucks/suv’s you see stuck are piloted by dumb-dumbs and/or have car tires. Every 4x4 I’ve bought came with useless highway tires that had to be upgraded. Easy fix, but most folks don’t make the change. I live two miles out a private road, which means if I don’t plow the road, it’s not clear. Our Odyssey has the electronic traction/stability gizmos and even with Nokians it’s not anywhere near as good my previous Audi A6, even with all-seasons. Keep in mind we have a couple very steep hills that you really can’t get a run for so it’s a rather extreme situation. I do know that a Passat TDI with Nokians and ESP would not make it up the road even after I plowed it. One of the members from another TDI club tried to come out the winter before last as I donated my heated building for a GTG. He was the only one to try to come out and I pulled him up with the tractor so we could work on his car. My daughters IS250 comes and goes relatively well. My Jetta with Nokians (pre ESP models) did ok, although I usually tried to leave it sit before the snow hit. It did quite good job on ice though and actually made it up a couple times in ice far better than the slushy snow we get.

    I think most folks can get around fine in 90% of situations with the systems you mention. I’m not fond of walking a mile in the snow up hill and can afford to give up some fuel efficiency. So far driving my trucks/suv's, I’ve never had an issue and going down the hills is a breeze with the low-range. If I could get into a high mileage AWD vehicle and not take a major mpg hit all year, I’d give it a good look. The next vehicle I'd consider commuting in won’t get anywhere near what a VW diesel will get so there’s significant savings all around. I tried an ‘07 Civic for awhile and hated every minute of it.
  • cosmocosmo Posts: 203
    Given your description of your "rather extreme situation", I humbly defer to your assessment of what works best. I imagine the blokes of BBC's Top Gear would have a bloody blast producing a road test episode on your private road during a harsh winter.
  • bristol2bristol2 Posts: 736
    Someone else mentioned it (and it may be heresy on a VW board) but Subaru is rumored (strong rumor) to be bringing out a diesel Outback in 2010/2011.

    It is a long wait but I am thinking it may be worth it since there is a good chance they will have a version with a manual. This gives me my dream vehicle: diesel on a car chassis giving great mileage, stick shift, awd (which I have no logical need for but a bizarre illogical craving for) and a wagon for handling + space - SUV mileage and corner lean.

    Still if the Jetta Sportwagon does have a version initially come out w/o the CARB equipment as suggested here: link title, I would prefer that since I am not in a CARB state and could happily live without the additional expense and complexity.
  • driverberndriverbern Posts: 23
    Can anyone tell me how many miles to expect from the turbo unit? And - how much does it cost to replace?
  • siberiasiberia Posts: 520

    I currently own a Jeep Liberty diesel (3rd Jeep) and a 2005 Jetta TDI. Without getting into a discussion about pretend 4WDs drives verses real 4WDs, I can tell you that adding a diesel engine to a good 4WD drive makes it a much better 4WD.
    The diesel engine pulls so steady through bumper deep snow that you no longer have to focus on traction. The diesel engine is less prone to spinning up the drive train and less prone to bogging down. You just steer and try to find the road.

    This may be why some find TDIs to fair well against pretend 4WDs.
  • hypnosis44hypnosis44 Posts: 483
    First; as I plan on getting a car late this year or early next year I will be looking for an AWD, mostly for its marginally better traction in emergency day to day situations -so I like AWD. (It won't be a diesel at this point because they don't make sense for me.)

    Second; As for offroad performance; my 1980 Corolla Auto., RWD, w/o limited slip, and with street tires, was able to negotiate every road I was crazy enough to take it on, very frequently passing AWD's stuck in the... whatever, and never got stuck!

    Better driving on my part? - seems doubtful. Other imponderables at work?- probably. Am I still going for an AWD when buying? Yes - for its overall better handling and recovery on wet, slick city streets where I would be doing 90% of my driving.
  • siberiasiberia Posts: 520
    Better driving on my part? - seems doubtful.

    Better driving on your part seems highly probable since you have been driving for at least 45 years.
  • Went to my local dealer in So. Fla. to ask about the Jetta tdi's that are to be delivered to dealers for customer test droves only. I was told that they were brought to them last week but were turned back because gas stations couldn't supply the correct diesel fuel for them to run on. WHAT? That's one explanation I never would have expected. He also said I ws the fourth person to ask about the Jetta tdi that morning.What the heck is going on?
  • hotchickhotchick Posts: 2

    so I was driving along at about 120 km/h and a puff of smoke came out of my exhaust and then my engine died.

    Had the car towed to the nearest dealership where they told me that the turbo was dead and to fix it would be $2000 - and only after that was fixed, would they be able to tell me if the engine was dead or not.....

    Do I have any options other than to go ahead and fix it? I am guessing that the engine IS dead - and I am sure that is not going to be cheap to fix....the car is only five years old and has only 117000 kms on it....

    Is this common? Should I just cut my losses and say buh-bye?

    If you respond to this - please be kind - I really know squat about cars....that is why I am asking here - tired of being soaked!!


    Thanks so much!!!! :)
  • bpeeblesbpeebles Posts: 4,085
    I have a 2003 TDI myself and would like to hear how this turns out.

    It is very unlikely that pieces of the turbocharger got past the intercooler and into the engine.

    A TDI engine should be able to idle and run without a turbocharger (with very little power).

    Since your engine died, I am thinking that the sequence of envents may have been more like.
    ENGINE had problems... then metal pieces from engine got into turbocharger making it blow itsef up. (Keep in mind the turbocharger spins at ~20,000 RPM... it does not take much for it to blow apart.)

    You asked for options... If your enigne cannot start and idle WITHOUT a turbocharger. Then replacing the turbocharger may not be enough to get it back on the road again.
  • peachtree103peachtree103 Posts: 189
    I'm hoping that you got bad info, as is common from dealers on a pre-launch.

    If VW screws up this launch, and/or continues to delay, it puts a nail in their coffin as far as I'm concerned. They already have both questionable quality and a questionable dealer network. If they plan on delaying the re-launch of diesel any longer, I might as well just go ahead and buy a hybrid and/or wait another year until Nissan/Honda/Subaru and many other mainstream manufacturers (that are actually considered reliable) have diesel available.
  • hypnosis44hypnosis44 Posts: 483
    I think most would agree that 45 years of driving on city streets is no preparation for driving "off road" in street tires in my old Toyota without incident, while passing others stuck on the sides in their "AWD Off road" vehicles. And anyway, experience beyond that required to reach reasonable competency is drastically overrated.
  • hotchickhotchick Posts: 2
    yup. a bunch of stuff in the engine is bent. I can't remember all the stuff because my head is just will be $11,000 to fix.

    Needless to say, I won't be fixing it. :cry:
  • jkinzeljkinzel Posts: 735
    will be $11,000 to fix.

    With out doing any research I would think it would be cheaper to put in a new engine rather than rebuild. Just my WAG.
  • kyfdxkyfdx Posts: 64,880
    Or... look for a used engine? :surprise:


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  • sebring95sebring95 Posts: 3,238
    Or even better....get a 2nd opinion!! Particularly if this is a dealer we're "dealing" with.
  • bpeeblesbpeebles Posts: 4,085
    Are you sure that it was not your TIMING BELT that broke and caused all these problems? It sure sounds like a timing belt break to me.

    It cannot be repeated enough times... If one does not replace the timing belt at the reccomended intervals... one WILL end up with a boat-anchor for an engine.
  • icaticat Posts: 12
    I have a 2006 TDI and it has been great, We recently moved from the town where we bought the car to Cleveland Heights, Ohio. Any suggestions for a mechanic. It is a pretty major hassle to drive to the dealership in Akron.

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