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VW Jetta TDI



  • ruking1ruking1 Posts: 18,387
    For sure, the answers are probably more complex. From what I have experienced (35 mins test drive ) I thought the 09 VW Jetta DSG that I test drove, was for all intents and purposes as seamless as an automatic. I literally put the thing in "DRIVE" and just went. I did not "row" my own. I do want to test drive one again and go through the gears.

    To anwer your question, the standard (6 speed manual) WILL probably get old. I truly like the 4/5/6 speed manuals, but do NOT like them much in stop and go bumper to bumper traffic. However much of the driving I have found myself doing has not been of that type. On recent cars, I have maybe 431,000 miles on stick shifts. On the flip side I have had ZERO issues with manual transmissions. On VW's specifically, the life expectancy is app 400,000 miles. The cost to replace the clutch (upgraded V6 model) currently is app 700-800 dollars vs upwards of 2,000 for an automatic transmission. I have an automatic transmission on a Honda Civic. I suspect and have planned (started to set aside repair monies) for the automatic transmission to go before the engine. So truly @ upwards of $ 2,000 for repairs, I hope I can dodge that huge bullet. It is most likely to go out @ app 225,000 to 250,000 miles.
  • bpeeblesbpeebles Posts: 4,085
    The manual-shift xmission will inherantly have less troubles than any other xmission. If you know how to drive one, it never gets old and you do not even think about it.

    Also, the manual requires less maintaince.... which is apparently one of your priorities. A TDI with a manual xmission is VERY easy to drive due to the truckloads of torque. You can enguage the clutch at idle and the car will pull away from a dead stop without problem. If you drive a TDI in this manner, the original clutch will last the life of the engine. (over 200K miles)
  • c280c280 Posts: 21
    I picked up a Salsa Red Jetta TDI on Friday the 15th. I initially wanted the manual but ended up with the DSG. The dealer had a Black stick shift and a Salsa Red when I went in Friday afternoon. They called stating they received 4 or 5 TDIs. After driving the manual and the DSG back to back I decided on the DSG. Didn't feel the torque as much in the manual. I felt it more in the DSG. Paid MSRP based on first come first serve. I was expecting the dealer to get the Loyal Edition first but it appears that they only received TDI sedan and TDI wagon. Ended up paying for the sunroof ($1,000) and rubber mats ($199). By the time I got there, two of the TDIs were sold. I had a choice between Black/black manual or Salsa Red DSG with beige interior. Went with the DSG.
  • The DSG transmission is a very expensive piece of technology to repair and replace. Servicing the transmission at 40k mile intervals per VW recommendation will run you around $400 at a "stealership". If you are interested in info on the DSG and other TDI info a really good place to check out is Thought I saw someone who has an 06/06.5 TDI with a DSG. Have you had any issues with the transmission? From what I read those years have an issue with the Dual Mass Flywheel flying apart and in one or more cases I have read about it trashing the transmission when it finally does give. I've decided to go with a manual tranny due to a number of factors: added cost of transmission in initial price and service costs, disconnected feeling you get from the car and road with an auto tranny, and lack of the ability to maximize fuel economy with techniques such as skipping gears, coasting in neutral, etc.

    The new engine would scare me more then the DSG, that combined with the brand new exhaust system *shudders* But I guess the federal mandate for exhaust components kind of makes me not so worried, and hell here where I live we don't emission check anyway :) Can't wait over the next couple of years to see what kind of mods show up :) I would love to have an engine brake...
  • gagricegagrice San DiegoPosts: 31,112
    Sounds like a nice vehicle. Keep us posted on mileage and how you like the car. Welcome to the Forum.....What part of the country are you in?
  • Yes...Please keep us posted on the mileage...were all interested in this issue!
  • ruking1ruking1 Posts: 18,387
    I would agree with your first statement. Some posts back, I indicated a lack of DSG's with any miles @ 100,000, 200,000, 300,000 miles, etc. I am sure the "stealership" can and will charge a lot for the 40k transmission change. My dilemma is 3/4 of my drivers do not really like stick, and the DSG is preferable to an automatic for my $ 1,000, (or whatever the freight is)

    I have been present at a few clutch changings and a GTG buddy had done a series of mods on a GOLF (pp 520's, chipped, R32 suspension upgrade which led to another switch to Koni Reds, fine fine wheel and tire combinations) with 230,000 miles) I remember just before he decided to change the clutch (V6 SACHs upgrade) we had a long discussion. I in effect said not to and said my target was when it really started to slip or a min of 400,000 miles. I also asked him if when he got on his (mods) did he notice any slippage. He indicated no. So I asked the question why change now? Long story short due to a clutch change special he had it done. We all were curious beyond belief what a clutch with 230,000 miles would be like. Longer story short, it looked like it could have gone another 230,000 miles EASY. I am hoping for that on mine (460,000 miles)
  • ksmigelksmigel Posts: 56
    ...and I was considering a TDI Jetta for a while, however, they announced the fuel economy on the 18,500 dollar Honda Hybrid that will be released in April of 2009 to be 68mpg highway/60mpg city. It will be a 1.3 liter gas motor coupled with an electric one.

    I find this amazing. The Prius will have a market stealer to worry about. With a 10.5 gallon tank, this will yield a range of about 650 miles. That's a small tank, too!

    Also, Honda has denied any allocation of these cars to dealers who add any fees or costs to MSRP. That's a good move!
  • malmouzamalmouza Posts: 141
    Driving a manual transmission is fairly easy; it takes some getting use to, and the reward is a total control of the car. I can make emergency stopping a lot quicker in short distance than in a car with automatic transmission. Using the gear and down-shifting in emergency stopping can some time save you a lot of body shop expenses, or save your life. The only thing I hate in MT is in bumper to bumper traffic you'll get cramps from using the clutch. Again, VW is covering the car for 60,000 miles or 5 years whichever comes first.
    By the way, I was reading the news this morning and I found this article in msnbc, about diesel fuel prices, I do not think that will bring anything new to some people because they already know these stuffs but for others that they never read about this subject this is a good to know.
  • rog96rog96 Posts: 21
    Wow, that is a great move. Plus they'll be putting their version of a clean diesel in the bigger vehicles (no urea, but a special catalytic converter instead) like the CRV, Pilot, and hopefully the Element !
  • malmouzamalmouza Posts: 141
    I know about this subject for almost 6 months now. They did mention this car is coming to US market, and it will be sold for $18,500, and it will be rated at 60 MPG; we will believe it when the EPA certifies the car. But, something that was not repeated in the headlines lately is the fact that the new hybrid will be smaller than the Civic, and that is why Honda will keep selling the Civic Hybrid a long with the new Hybrid car. This will tell you how small the car is going to be. Prius has enough space to carry 4 peoples comfortably, plus a convenient cargo space with hatch back door. The new Honda Hybrid would be a good commuter car, to replace the old discontinued Honda Insight, but with more space than the Insight. The pictures of the new Honda Hybrid are all over the internet they are just a spy picture because the car is still in camouflage.
  • sebring95sebring95 Posts: 3,238
    Care to back that up with some documentation? The last press release I see is from four days ago stating it would be "cheaper than the Civic Hybrid and Prius" and "Honda has not released estimated epa ratings". There is also nothing about limiting allocation to dealers who add fees, etc. I'm not sure how Honda would even know what dealers are adding fees unless hey get complaints after-the-fact. It's not like Honda has had any products commanding over MSRP in quite a few years they shouldn't have much historical data to work with.

    Either way, yawn at a small econo-box. I think most of us VW TDI folks are interested in a substantial vehicle that gets exceptional mpg. If you want to impress me, give me a 40-50mpg Accord sized vehicle. Or a 35mpg AWD cross-over.
  • hypnosis44hypnosis44 Posts: 483
    " never gets old and you do not even think about it."
    I spent a couple of decades in the auto repair business and can attest that manual transmissions do wear out and break with some regularity, and when the clutch and related components are included, are little, if any, more reliable than an automatic. Although not currently driving, I would never opt for a stick over an automatic as my experience in both owning and repairing sticks, the automatics can go 200K with only basic fluid changes while sticks will have long gone through clutches and related components, and possibly a complete transmission. This is further illustrated through drag racing where factory prepared automatics get consistently better average times, and don't self destruct in the process as compared to sticks.
  • malmouzamalmouza Posts: 141
    The allocation for this new hybrid is 100,000 cars the first year, and it will be built in USA.
    To answer your question that this subject came out a long time ago during the Tokyo Auto show is the two links bellow. - onda_to_add_three_new_hybrids_2010_fit_cr_z_and_small_hatchback_car_news
    the new headlines are bellow:
  • malmouzamalmouza Posts: 141
    Although I agree with you on the fact that the MT can break the same way the automatic does, I will have to add to that "It depends who's driving the car"; if you are changing the gear before you press completely the clutch, or after the clutch been released, the answer is yes, the gears will be subject to extreme abuse. But still repairing an automatic is more involved than repairing a MT; That is reflected in the extra cost you pay for the Auto vs MT.
  • blueguydotcomblueguydotcom Posts: 6,257
    Drive in stop-n-go all the time. Always owned manuals. No cramps. :)
  • Somebody tried to steal my car and broke the ignition switch ,my question is, is it possible to start the car or steal it without using the original key ?? And how is the security system working in VW cars ...?
  • ksmigelksmigel Posts: 56
    Care to back that up with some documentation? The last press release I see is from four days ago stating it would be "cheaper than the Civic Hybrid and Prius" and "Honda has not released estimated epa ratings".

    I don't have anything proving Honda is enforcing MSRP, but here are two links on price and EPA ratings.

    I still like the TDI, and think with its torque it will be useful in vehicles not suited for hybrid drivetrains, and I think competition on economy is good for all consumers!

    Here is a link on price of $18,500 MSRP and on Japanese claims of 71mpg (not confirmed by U.S. source):

  • moparbadmoparbad Posts: 3,868
    Yes it is possible to start the car and drive it without the using a key or the original key.
    And the easiest/quickest way to steal a vehicle (without a key) is to hook it or flatbed it.
  • c280c280 Posts: 21
    North Carolina!
  • m6userm6user Posts: 3,174
    Try six hours to go 60 miles in a snowstorm in Chicago. I got rid of my stick shortly thereafter. Some people's stop and go traffic is different than others.
  • malmouzamalmouza Posts: 141
    believe me if I tell you in two hours of crawling in bumper to bumper trafic will lead sometime to extreme fatigue for the legs. Try to drive in rush hours in van wck expressway in New York, or crossing the holland tunnel and hitting chinatown traffic and do it everyday and you will see how much stress you'll be subjecting your legs to. I drive MT all my life I don't like automatic, but still I hate traffic jum with the MT.
  • bpeeblesbpeebles Posts: 4,085
    I dont see 5 other cars on my 10-mile commute to work at 5:30AM.... Somtimes, in the winter, the road is plowed. 8-)
  • hypnosis44hypnosis44 Posts: 483
    The gears themselves are the least of it. Bearings, shafts, bushings, seals, trans. case, shift linkage, clutch pedal, clutch master cylinder, clutch slave cylinder, clutch assembly, release bearing, pilot bearing, flywheel, multiple switches and controls, and more. Additionally, the "load on load off" nature of a stick going between shifts places more strain on the universal joints (CV), the differential, and the engine and transmission mounts, than with an automatic. Over time the costs will be about equal. The additional initial price of the automatic at purchase is largely based on the customers willingness to pay the premium. In the waning days of stick shifts in large US cars one had to pay a premium to get a stick over an automatic - and then only on special order.
  • malmouzamalmouza Posts: 141
    I would pay premium to get manual transmission. But the manual transmission will always outlast automatic transmission. My old man drive a mercecdes 300D for a years, 260,000 miles, he rebuilt the engine, couple months ago, because my brother he was driving it without checking the oil for hunderds of miles. The original transmission, is still working just fine. A lot of cab drivers in Europe drives mercedes, they never warried about the transmission, as much as they warry about the engine after 300,000 km.
  • hypnosis44hypnosis44 Posts: 483
    "But the manual transmission will always outlast automatic transmission."
    As I mentioned earlier; as an auto mechanic for a couple of decades, that statement did not hold up. We frequently had to replace entire stick shift transmissions that were well beyond any kind of repair. We were almost always able to repair automatic transmissions. In my and my family's experience in both driving sticks and automatics in 40 plus cars, we never had to replace a single automatic but had to replace several sticks, plus the related hardware. The taxi companies where I live all have automatics, more than half are Mercedes, others are Ford and GM, and many of them have 300K miles on them. They would never consider a stick for many reasons anyway, but comparitive reliability is not a consideration.
  • m6userm6user Posts: 3,174
    Well that was years ago and I don't have to commute at all now.
  • blueguydotcomblueguydotcom Posts: 6,257
    Bull. Sorry but this is hogwash.
  • gagricegagrice San DiegoPosts: 31,112
    This is a miracle that we agree. I have never had an automatic transmission fail. I had to replace the clutch in my son's 94 Toyota PU after 11k miles. No warranty coverage. That was $900 that I still despise Toyota over. There is a Mercedes Sprinter in the EU with 900k Km and still going with no major work done. It is a 5 speed tiptronic automatic.

    During High School in the late 1950s I worked in a wrecking yard rebuilding manual transmissions. Lots of synchro gears were worn out. Most manual transmission problems are caused by poor drivers. Riding the clutch destroys the throw out bearing and requires replacement. I would agree a smooth driver will get good service from a manual transmission. They are a rare breed in the USA.

    I would buy a vehicle with the new technology DSG transmission. I think there are several automakers using that technology now.

    The Bugatti Veyron 1000 HP sports car uses the direct clutch transmission. It is a 7 speed. Most of the German cars are using one type or another. Eventually the Japanese will catch up. They are great copiers.

    I would not buy a MT because my wife has very severe arthritis that would painful for her to drive a stick. She did enjoy a MT in both her 911 and 914 Porsches.
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