Ummmm... you do know there is orange coolant, right? Its actually more common (if not used across the board) on new cars. Its the 100k mile stuff.
If you added green coolant, then you messed up.
Here is a bit from an article on the subject: The main advantage of OAT technology is extended service life: up to five years or 150,000 miles. But to achieve this length of service, the OAT coolant must not be intermixed with any other type of antifreeze. If the system is topped off with ordinary green antifreeze, the corrosion protection will be reduced to that of a conventional coolant, say the coolant makers.
If you are getting very little power in 3rd gear, then your turbocharger may be off. The engine has an electronic sensor for octane in the gasoline; if the octane is under 93, then the turbo is turned off. It will come on again at start up, but if you are putting less than 93 octane in your tank, then it will turn off again. Mazda has a computer fix for this, as the program can be touchy. If you go back through these messages to around April or May, there are some discussions regarding this problem - an eprom has to be reprogrammed by the dealer to resolve it. Good luck with it.
Actually, the turbo doesn't "turn off". What happens is the engine goes into "limp mode" and max throttle is limited to 33% electronically, so it feels like the turbo "turns off".
Also the problem is not due to a low-octane sensor, it's due to programming in the PCM that makes it overly sensitive to the knock sensor, which detects engine knocking. Engine knocking is due to lower octane fuel, so lower octane fuel is partly the cause. However, even with 93 (or 91, the max available in CA), the problem can occur.
Reprogramming the PCM with the latest software, which modifies the PCM's response to the knock sensor, solves the problem. The dealer should be able to take care of this for you.
If you're registered on Mazdausa's owners site, you'll find this recall info:
There is a recall concerning:
2006 - Mazdaspeed6 Lack Of Power
Q: Why are some of this type of vehicle involved, and others are not? A: Recalls are vehicle specific and are issued for certain vehicles based on the production date and component. If your vehicle is not affected, it may be because it was built at a different time or using a different part than the affected vehicles.
Q: Why can't I submit the reimbursement form electronically? A: Your reimbursement form must be submitted via US Mail, because a signature is required on the form.
Q: Are all recalls listed on this site? A: Please be aware that there are regional and state-by-state campaigns that are not VIN-specific and may not be shown on My Mazda. If you have recently moved, please check with your Mazda dealer to see if there are special campaigns in your area.
Q: If I have further questions, how do I find out more information regarding this Recall? A: You can contact our Customer Assistance Center at: (800) 222-5500 (Mazda) (800) 521-4140 (Lincoln) (800) 392-3673 (Ford/Mercury) (800) 232-5952 (TDD for the Hearing Impaired) or e-mail us.
I have about 5700 miles and have not done the 1st oil change since the Mazda Website recommends the 1st change at 7500. However, I read previous messages from this site mentioning that some of you owners were giving the 1st change even before 4000 miles. What's the difference in waiting for the "recommended" interval or doing it the usual 3500 or 3 months?
Another question...has anyone added the Magnaflow Catback or AEM CAI...or any performance MODS?
I got quotes from 2 seperate dealers in Chicagoland area. One was $5800 off MSRP (Wilkins Mazda) and another is $6000 off MSRP (Autobarn Mazda of Countryside)!
CardinaleWay Mazda in Mesa, AZ is jettisoning their MS6 stock by offering $6667 off MSRP. I just purchased a Titanium Grey MS6 base for 21888 instead of 28555.
Any update on what you have to do to participate in the MS6 recall/PCM update?
Since the MS6 is only available for this one year, what do you all think will happen in 5-10 years? Will it be quickly forgotten or will it be collected and demand a high price premium as vehicles such as the Supra have managed to do?
Also, anywho know where I can find 93 octane fuel in the Mesa/Phoenix area? Finding mostly 91...
The Supra is a very different animal. Its a dedicated model, much like vehicles like the NSX, RX7, etc, etc.
The MS6 is simply a special model of a particular sedan. Its not even on par with a Cobra Mustang, since the Mazda6 doesn't have anywhere near the following the mustang does. I would put the MS6 more in line with something like the Galant GTZ. I would say you could look at it like the STi vs WRX, but since the STi is produced year after year, that's not even quite the same.
You could look at the Mazdaspeed MX5 or MP3 for comparison.
in other words, no collectibility. It'll hold its value a bit better than the standard models, but that's it.
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Maybe for the guy who paid $22K, but not for those who paid $28K.
well, of course, but that's the same on the standard model (meaning those have been heavily discounted, too).
and you are right to point out that a heavily discounted vehicle typically will never achieve collectible status. If the vehicle was desirable, they wouldn't need to discount them so much.
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While it is generally true that heavily discounted models will not end up being be collectible, there are plenty of early 70's muscle cars going for $50K plus that were dumped by dealers when the insurance industry killed that wave, and then the gas crunch hit.
It is all market timing.
With that said, I don't think the MS6 will be collectible. A lot of people thought the first RX7s would be collectible...
As of Saturday (last time I went in) they had 2 base models for $21888 and 2 GTs for equal mark down (you can do the math). That price was without trade-in and not cash only. You HAVE to use their financing to get all of the rebates and they rape you on interest rate but you only have to hold the financing for 3 months to keep the rebates. Then just get a credit union loan or something.
well, of course, but that's the same on the standard model (meaning those have been heavily discounted, too).
True, but were the standard models discounted all year or did they sell for MSRP initially last fall? I could be wrong, but I was thinking there may be a wider range of transaction prices for the speed6. When they first came out, were there enthusiasts who maybe even paid over MSRP to get this "limited edition" car?
MS6 more in line with something like the Galant GTZ.
Hardly....Not even a close comparison.
The Mustang has over 40 years of history, and they are a dime a dozen. It's not to tough to get a Mustang, unless you are looking for a 60's Shelby, or any from the 60's in decent shape. I have a 92 GT in pieces in my garage.
Mazda6 has 3 years, and MS6 will have only 2.
It is way to early to tell if it will be a collectors item, but, the Mazdaspeed6 does have a shot because it is a limited production vehicle. The regular Mazda6, no chance.
As I said in my earlier post, I bet no one ever thought a Delorian would be considered a "collectors item", and I would say they are....
In fact a flop is more likely to become a collectable, since there will be fewer of them.
I happen to agree. Thats why I think the MS6 stands a chance years from now. I would not call the Mazdaspeed6 a huge success. Yes, it's an awesome car and I happen to love it, but, the facts are, sales are slow ( I think because of the lack of an auto tranny) and from it's inception, it was only intended to have a 2 year run. There was never any intent by Mazda to keep producing this car year after year, like the STi version of the WRX.
Not the Galant GTZ, but the mid 90s Galant VR-4 would be a good one to compare it with.
That sedan had AWD and a powerful turbo engine, and was quite rare. It was only sold for a couple of years. Sound familiar?
I'm not sure if I'd call it collectible 10 years later, but they are sought after by a small number of enthusiasts. Problem is, the DSM platform wasn't all that durable, and most of them were modded (poorly) and are now junk.
MazdaSpeed has a little more cachet, and one would hope it'll be more durable than the VR-4 was. So perhaps it stands a better chance.
But...Shifty said this in another thread, if a model isn't hot when new, it likely won't be collectible later. $6000 off list doesn't bode well.
It had 4-wheel everything. It was an exceptional car for its time. I don't think the MS6 has much chance as being a collectible. The Protege GTX was "special" Mazda. There are a few people that would love to have ove, but I don't think it's a collectible.
Funny thing about the Mitsu Galant VR-4. They are STILL using that same base engine in the EVO (4G63). It's been a decent engine over the last 15 years.
I crunched the numbers of what $6000 off list would be, and I don't see how any dealer would do that. After all incentives are payed to the dealer for hitting sales objective, it is still a $1,300 loser. I would not do that. Actually, I do not know any business man with a anything resembling a head on their shoulders that would do that, UNLESS, it was his objective car. And even then, I would have to place a call to the owner to see if he wanted to do it.
All I know is that I've talked to numerous people at the dealership where I got it for $21888 and they said that just recently Mazda has sent out notice of massive factory rebates to get the cars gone. Everyone I probed there said that the car would NOT be coming back next year as planned, so who knows.
The reason why I asked the collectors question is in my mind the car has everything one would want but due to the "niche-ness" of the car they haven't met sales quotas. It just seems like they picked the wrong demographic to design the car for (to have mass sales) and that squeezed them into a niche market.
My idea of something that will be a collector's item is something of limited supply that is desired by many later and something that has a UNIQUE appeal. It may be that the MS6 doesn't look out of the ordinary enough to push it there but, in my opinion, it has all the "equipment" necessary.
I just bought a brand spanking new 2006 MazdaSpeed6 Grand Touring from Autobarn Mazda in Countryside, IL (Chicago suburbs). MSRP: $31,500 Invoice: $29,029 I paid: $25,000 even + tax & title. This is $6500 below MSRP and $4,000 below Invoice.
They also threw in a 2 year maintenance agreement!! Zoom Zoom!
Not doubting what you paid. In my region, North East Region, there were no "massive" rebates.
There will be a 2007 MS6. I have in my dealer system the changes to the MS6, mainly the deletion of two colors, Whitewater Pearl and Black Cherry Mica also no black and white leather.
I crunched the numbers of what $6000 off list would be, and I don't see how any dealer would do that. After all incentives are payed to the dealer for hitting sales objective, it is still a $1,300 loser.
But if they don't sell it at all, isn't it a $20,000+ loser? At some point, if you think there is no market at a profitable (or break-even) price, aren't you going to take the loss?
I bet your crunching doesn't include some aspects that can spin a front end loser into a profitable deal.
1. trade in. does the dealer hold back on the value? also, sometimes a nice retail trade in more desirable than a slow moving new car. 2. finance and aftermarket accessories 3. chemical and warranty sales etc..
nothing is a guarantee... but the odds are with the dealer that some or all will happen. There is also the value of a adding a customer...over a lifetime a single customer can represent a large amount of revenue. (service, sales, referrals etc)
So what may seem like a loser may not be in the long run.
lol how true... but we all go into the new car deal with the idea that "we" are going to be the dealer's "loss leader". And the dealer's full intention is to make each of us feel like he lost money on the deal
North East Region, there were no "massive" rebates.
I'm glad you said that because I was really starting to doubt some of those purchase prices. I'm only seeing a $1000 rebate here in Western PA. If I could get a GT for somewhere around $25k or $26k I'd pay the $200 early termination fee to get out of my current 6S lease (expires in March '07) and jump into a SPEED6 right now.
How do you feel about a 300 mile trip? The reason I ask is that I just picked up my GT on Thursday of last week in that same price range. The dealer quoted me a price of $28,200, and then when I went in to talk to the finance guy, he said there was an extra $2000 rebate for going with MAC financing. It turns out that the rebate with the 8+% interest worked out better than the promotional 0.9/1.9/2.9% interest. That brought the car down to $26,200.
Plus, in the deal, they "found" an extra $1000 that I counted as trade-in value. It was a separate line item in the paperwork, so it could just have easily been money off the price of the car. If you count it as money off, then the car price is $25,200. That would make it $6200 off MSRP.
Oh, I say 300 mile trip because I'm in the suburbs West of Philly. It would really be double that, but you'd be driving home in your Speed 6. And when you got home, you'd be halfway through your break-in period.
And the dealer's full intention is to make each of us feel like he lost money on the deal
And "each of us" includes the salesman. Funny how these car dealers never make money...yet somehow how they afford their multi-million dollar 6000 sq. foot home on a lake. :confuse:
evaddave, That was tempting until I just saw the $3500 max rebate here now too. Plus I qualify for the S-Plan so maybe I'll have to go visit my dealer and see what I can do.
One thing that concerns me though is that Edmunds is showing NO rebates on the GT over here and the $3500 on the Sport. Any idea what's up with that What do they show for your zip?
I'm not sure how it was figured. I really didn't ask too many questions. The $28200 price was quoted to me by the salesman as including all rebates. When the finance guy told me I could get an extra $2k off, I didn't complain.
But yes, that was a GT. I'm lovin' the white seats this week!
i'm sure edmunds has it wrong. mazda wouldnt put all that cash on the sport and not the gt. otherwise, the 2 models will be apart by thousands. i bet they had the most trouble moving gt's with navi.
Hey guys, for any of you who own the Mazdaspeed6 I was curious what sort of fuel economy you are getting in the real world. Any help would be appreciated.
Also, mentioned in an earlier post, the total of $3,500 rebate is on both Sport and GT models. $2,500 customer cash, and $1,000 for financing through Mazda American Credit.
I'm seriously considering purcashing a MAZDASPEED6. I drove one earlier this week and I already negotiated a very good deal on the car I want (the dealer has plenty) -- I'm going back to the dealer this weekend to take a freeway drive before making up my mind since my first test drive took place in rush-hour street traffic. I felt like a caged animal!!!
I'm trying not to overthink the situation, but I'm seeing enough worrisome things about MS6 power loss issues that I'm not sure if this is a good move. I have many questions!
For example, if I buy a car off the lot that has been sitting around for a while (and I know these have), should I ask the service dept. to flash the ECU before taking delivery or should I not worry about the power loss/gimp mode issue until/unless I have a problem?
Also, I live in CA and I'm having a hard time getting a straight answer about the octane issue. Is decent 91 octane gas (I usually go for Chevron when I can find it) going to be sufficient for this car, or is it going to cause noticeable power loss or other issues if the computer thinks the gas is inferior?
I'm selling my VW R32 (which I like) because I can get a smoking deal on an MS6 lease and almsot halve my car payment. The MS6 looks appealing at MSRP and even more so with their current incentives. I thought the materials might bug me, but I generally like the low-key design with few exceptions. So far, I liked the way it drove (feels big compared to an R32, but that's to be expected) and I hope I like it more on Friday.
Am I making too much of this? I just don't want a problem car that the dealer doesn't understand how to keep running well. I work in IT and I'm leery of cars that need too many software upgrades!
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If you added green coolant, then you messed up.
Here is a bit from an article on the subject:
The main advantage of OAT technology is extended service life: up to five years or 150,000 miles. But to achieve this length of service, the OAT coolant must not be intermixed with any other type of antifreeze. If the system is topped off with ordinary green antifreeze, the corrosion protection will be reduced to that of a conventional coolant, say the coolant makers.
here is the rest:
http://www.babcox.com/editorial/tr/tr110046.htm
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turbocharger may be off. The engine has an electronic sensor for octane in the gasoline; if the octane is under 93, then the turbo is turned off. It will come on again at start up, but if you are putting less than 93 octane in your tank, then it will turn off again. Mazda has a computer fix for this, as the program can be touchy. If you go back through these messages to around April or May,
there are some discussions regarding this problem - an eprom has to be reprogrammed by the dealer to resolve it.
Good luck with it.
Also the problem is not due to a low-octane sensor, it's due to programming in the PCM that makes it overly sensitive to the knock sensor, which detects engine knocking. Engine knocking is due to lower octane fuel, so lower octane fuel is partly the cause. However, even with 93 (or 91, the max available in CA), the problem can occur.
Reprogramming the PCM with the latest software, which modifies the PCM's response to the knock sensor, solves the problem. The dealer should be able to take care of this for you.
The powerloss issue is an official recall.
If you're registered on Mazdausa's owners site, you'll find this recall info:
There is a recall concerning:
2006 - Mazdaspeed6 Lack Of Power
Q: Why are some of this type of vehicle involved, and others are not?
A: Recalls are vehicle specific and are issued for certain vehicles based on the production date and component. If your vehicle is not affected, it may be because it was built at a different time or using a different part than the affected vehicles.
Q: Why can't I submit the reimbursement form electronically?
A: Your reimbursement form must be submitted via US Mail, because a signature is required on the form.
Q: Are all recalls listed on this site?
A: Please be aware that there are regional and state-by-state campaigns that are not VIN-specific and may not be shown on My Mazda. If you have recently moved, please check with your Mazda dealer to see if there are special campaigns in your area.
Q: If I have further questions, how do I find out more information regarding this Recall?
A: You can contact our Customer Assistance Center at:
(800) 222-5500 (Mazda)
(800) 521-4140 (Lincoln)
(800) 392-3673 (Ford/Mercury)
(800) 232-5952 (TDD for the Hearing Impaired)
or e-mail us.
Additionally, see page 2 of this PDF document, courtesy of the EPA.
Another question...has anyone added the Magnaflow Catback or AEM CAI...or any performance MODS?
Truly an excellent value for the money!
Any update on what you have to do to participate in the MS6 recall/PCM update?
Also, anywho know where I can find 93 octane fuel in the Mesa/Phoenix area? Finding mostly 91...
The MS6 is simply a special model of a particular sedan. Its not even on par with a Cobra Mustang, since the Mazda6 doesn't have anywhere near the following the mustang does. I would put the MS6 more in line with something like the Galant GTZ. I would say you could look at it like the STi vs WRX, but since the STi is produced year after year, that's not even quite the same.
You could look at the Mazdaspeed MX5 or MP3 for comparison.
in other words, no collectibility. It'll hold its value a bit better than the standard models, but that's it.
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Maybe for the guy who paid $22K, but not for those who paid $28K.
BTW, I believe they are continuing the speed6 in 2007.
well, of course, but that's the same on the standard model (meaning those have been heavily discounted, too).
and you are right to point out that a heavily discounted vehicle typically will never achieve collectible status. If the vehicle was desirable, they wouldn't need to discount them so much.
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I need to call the Colorado dealers and see what they are offering.
It is all market timing.
With that said, I don't think the MS6 will be collectible. A lot of people thought the first RX7s would be collectible...
In 35 years, we may be surprised at what is collectible.
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True, but were the standard models discounted all year or did they sell for MSRP initially last fall? I could be wrong, but I was thinking there may be a wider range of transaction prices for the speed6. When they first came out, were there enthusiasts who maybe even paid over MSRP to get this "limited edition" car?
I guess you never know what will be a collectable years down the road...
The Mazdaspeed6 will have a 2 year run. 2006-2007.
Previous Mazdaspeed models: Mazdaspeed Protege 2003.5
Mazdaspeed MX-5 2004-2005
Upcoming 2007 Mazdaspeed3. No word yet on how long it will run.
I would think that thing like the, ever popular, Camcords are not real likely to become collectables.
Hardly....Not even a close comparison.
The Mustang has over 40 years of history, and they are a dime a dozen. It's not to tough to get a Mustang, unless you are looking for a 60's Shelby, or any from the 60's in decent shape. I have a 92 GT in pieces in my garage.
Mazda6 has 3 years, and MS6 will have only 2.
It is way to early to tell if it will be a collectors item, but, the Mazdaspeed6 does have a shot because it is a limited production vehicle. The regular Mazda6, no chance.
As I said in my earlier post, I bet no one ever thought a Delorian would be considered a "collectors item", and I would say they are....
I happen to agree. Thats why I think the MS6 stands a chance years from now. I would not call the Mazdaspeed6 a huge success. Yes, it's an awesome car and I happen to love it, but, the facts are, sales are slow ( I think because of the lack of an auto tranny) and from it's inception, it was only intended to have a 2 year run. There was never any intent by Mazda to keep producing this car year after year, like the STi version of the WRX.
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That sedan had AWD and a powerful turbo engine, and was quite rare. It was only sold for a couple of years. Sound familiar?
I'm not sure if I'd call it collectible 10 years later, but they are sought after by a small number of enthusiasts. Problem is, the DSM platform wasn't all that durable, and most of them were modded (poorly) and are now junk.
MazdaSpeed has a little more cachet, and one would hope it'll be more durable than the VR-4 was. So perhaps it stands a better chance.
But...Shifty said this in another thread, if a model isn't hot when new, it likely won't be collectible later. $6000 off list doesn't bode well.
-juice
No, it does not.
Funny thing about the Mitsu Galant VR-4. They are STILL using that same base engine in the EVO (4G63). It's been a decent engine over the last 15 years.
I crunched the numbers of what $6000 off list would be, and I don't see how any dealer would do that. After all incentives are payed to the dealer for hitting sales objective, it is still a $1,300 loser. I would not do that. Actually, I do not know any business man with a anything resembling a head on their shoulders that would do that, UNLESS, it was his objective car. And even then, I would have to place a call to the owner to see if he wanted to do it.
It's funny, if you poll 100 people, and ask them what items they consider to be "collectables" I'm sure you would get some wacky responses.
It's all personal taste, and what that individual considers to be "collectable"
The reason why I asked the collectors question is in my mind the car has everything one would want but due to the "niche-ness" of the car they haven't met sales quotas. It just seems like they picked the wrong demographic to design the car for (to have mass sales) and that squeezed them into a niche market.
My idea of something that will be a collector's item is something of limited supply that is desired by many later and something that has a UNIQUE appeal. It may be that the MS6 doesn't look out of the ordinary enough to push it there but, in my opinion, it has all the "equipment" necessary.
MSRP: $31,500
Invoice: $29,029
I paid: $25,000 even + tax & title.
This is $6500 below MSRP and $4,000 below Invoice.
They also threw in a 2 year maintenance agreement!!
Zoom Zoom!
There will be a 2007 MS6. I have in my dealer system the changes to the MS6, mainly the deletion of two colors, Whitewater Pearl and Black Cherry Mica also no black and white leather.
Ah, thanks juice. That's actually the one i was thinking of, AWD turbo.
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I wouldn't necessarily agree.
As you said in a later post, sometimes collectible is in the eye of the beholder.
Does something that is sought after by a small select crowd merely because its an oddity make it collectible?
If your answer to this is yes, then you'd also have to call an Edsel, Pinto, and Gremlin all collectibles.
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But if they don't sell it at all, isn't it a $20,000+ loser? At some point, if you think there is no market at a profitable (or break-even) price, aren't you going to take the loss?
1. trade in. does the dealer hold back on the value? also, sometimes a nice retail trade in more desirable than a slow moving new car.
2. finance and aftermarket accessories
3. chemical and warranty sales etc..
nothing is a guarantee... but the odds are with the dealer that some or all will happen. There is also the value of a adding a customer...over a lifetime a single customer can represent a large amount of revenue. (service, sales, referrals etc)
So what may seem like a loser may not be in the long run.
John
I'm glad you said that because I was really starting to doubt some of those purchase prices. I'm only seeing a $1000 rebate here in Western PA. If I could get a GT for somewhere around $25k or $26k I'd pay the $200 early termination fee to get out of my current 6S lease (expires in March '07) and jump into a SPEED6 right now.
How do you feel about a 300 mile trip? The reason I ask is that I just picked up my GT on Thursday of last week in that same price range. The dealer quoted me a price of $28,200, and then when I went in to talk to the finance guy, he said there was an extra $2000 rebate for going with MAC financing. It turns out that the rebate with the 8+% interest worked out better than the promotional 0.9/1.9/2.9% interest. That brought the car down to $26,200.
Plus, in the deal, they "found" an extra $1000 that I counted as trade-in value. It was a separate line item in the paperwork, so it could just have easily been money off the price of the car. If you count it as money off, then the car price is $25,200. That would make it $6200 off MSRP.
Oh, I say 300 mile trip because I'm in the suburbs West of Philly. It would really be double that, but you'd be driving home in your Speed 6. And when you got home, you'd be halfway through your break-in period.
i'm in ny and edmunds now shows 3500 in total rebates.
man i'm tempted!!!
And "each of us" includes the salesman. Funny how these car dealers never make money...yet somehow how they afford their multi-million dollar 6000 sq. foot home on a lake. :confuse:
That was tempting until I just saw the $3500 max rebate here now too. Plus I qualify for the S-Plan so maybe I'll have to go visit my dealer and see what I can do.
One thing that concerns me though is that Edmunds is showing NO rebates on the GT over here and the $3500 on the Sport. Any idea what's up with that What do they show for your zip?
But yes, that was a GT. I'm lovin' the white seats this week!
mazda wouldnt put all that cash on the sport and not the gt.
otherwise, the 2 models will be apart by thousands.
i bet they had the most trouble moving gt's with navi.
The worst MPG= 19.9
Total avg. MPG= 21.8
That is right at 2k miles.
The city/highway rating on the sticker is 19/25.
--LEB
I seem to be eligible......
$22K for a sport? I'm in....probably....
S-Plan is invoice for the vehicle.
Also, mentioned in an earlier post, the total of $3,500 rebate is on both Sport and GT models. $2,500 customer cash, and $1,000 for financing through Mazda American Credit.
I'm seriously considering purcashing a MAZDASPEED6. I drove one earlier this week and I already negotiated a very good deal on the car I want (the dealer has plenty) -- I'm going back to the dealer this weekend to take a freeway drive before making up my mind since my first test drive took place in rush-hour street traffic. I felt like a caged animal!!!
I'm trying not to overthink the situation, but I'm seeing enough worrisome things about MS6 power loss issues that I'm not sure if this is a good move. I have many questions!
For example, if I buy a car off the lot that has been sitting around for a while (and I know these have), should I ask the service dept. to flash the ECU before taking delivery or should I not worry about the power loss/gimp mode issue until/unless I have a problem?
Also, I live in CA and I'm having a hard time getting a straight answer about the octane issue. Is decent 91 octane gas (I usually go for Chevron when I can find it) going to be sufficient for this car, or is it going to cause noticeable power loss or other issues if the computer thinks the gas is inferior?
I'm selling my VW R32 (which I like) because I can get a smoking deal on an MS6 lease and almsot halve my car payment. The MS6 looks appealing at MSRP and even more so with their current incentives. I thought the materials might bug me, but I generally like the low-key design with few exceptions. So far, I liked the way it drove (feels big compared to an R32, but that's to be expected) and I hope I like it more on Friday.
Am I making too much of this? I just don't want a problem car that the dealer doesn't understand how to keep running well. I work in IT and I'm leery of cars that need too many software upgrades!
-monkeymobile