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(By the way, I said a softer ride, not a soft ride. And adding a couple of useful features -- such as memory seat, power passenger seat, and auto light control -- won't exactly make it an RX-fighter)
Toyota seems to be the sole exception, and even they have a gloomy forecast for the year to come. :sick:
That could mean better deals for buyers, though. :shades:
They could improve the seat bolstering though -- I could use more lateral support in corners.
I guess a lot people just want to be pampered in luxury and aren't really driving enthusiasts, and it hit a sweet spot for them.
I don't see Acura chasing that kind of target at all. Buick seems most likely, and even Hyundai with the Veracruz (even though both are bigger).
Acura has the "Precision Crafted Performance" heritage. I don't see them suddenly going soft.
There are a lot of driving enthusiasts, but most of those, I suspect, do not look to an SUV to feed their enthusiasm. If utility is a requirement, most of those enthusiasts would probably consider a sports wagon first. That's why I think the RDX would appeal to a broader audience if Acura would just soften it up a touch.
Despite their "Precision Crafted Performance" slogan, I never found Acura to follow a hardcore performance philosophy. The S2000 and NSX notwithstanding, I don't think they can claim to be a "performance" brand with the absence of RWD and V8 in their lineup. Nothing wrong with that -- they are just following Honda's corporate mandate of appealing to the greatest common denominator.
Personally, I strongly prefer the sporty handling of the RDX. I even jacked up my tire pressure a few PSI (at the recommendation of the Acura salesman). I want a car that can hold its line on twisty mountain roads.
Sure, the RDX is not designed for everyone. They probably thought about that when they chose the edgy styling. I don't care if they don't sell 100,000 units/year. I only want to buy 1.
If you want something a little softer and don't want a Lexus, check out the Acura MDX or Honda CRV.
Can you fit 2 sets of clubs in the back with the back seat still up?
Can you also include 2 pull carts?
Can you fit 3 or 4 sets in there, without the pull carts, with the back seat up?
The former is too big, and the latter is too plain and underpowered.
I'm in my mid-40's. Now, I have no idea if I'm part of the demographic that Acura is targeting with the RDX. But for me, the vehicle that the RDX is pushing me towards is the X3. My younger brother test drove the RDX last year. While he didn't complained about the ride, he crossed it off his list because, in his view, it just didn't have the luxury features and amenities to justify the price. (He had no complaints about the hi-tech features). I just think Acura would do better if they broadened the appeal of the RDX. And so far, the sales numbers seem to bear out my opinion on that.
Or:
By the time you can afford to buy a Lexus you can park a well used Sunbeam Alpine, Mazda Miata or maybe even a 2001 Porsche 911/996 C4 alongside it in the garage to satisfy your driving enthusiast's "side".
Most of us are quite happy to spend maybe a few minutes a month (on the average) as "driving enthusiasts" and an SUV, ANY SUV, will NEVER fit that need.
As far as price goes, the RDX MSRP was less than my previous car and it is better equipped. Knock off $3K to get to invoice pricing, and the RDX ends up being a bargain to me.
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BTW, Before I made the committment, I priced a fully loaded Honda CRV (which I did NOT like!). It would have cost me more to lease that then it is costing me to lease the RDX. Same terms - no money down, pay only first payment and registration fees. Also, for those of you bashing the RDX, this is my first "luxury" car. It is leagues above anything else I've ever driven in every respect.
Congrats!
If we were talking about one of their sedans or coupes, I'd agree. But there's nothing special about the X3 (or X5 for that matter) when it comes to the balance of ride and handling.
I do agree that the nose on the RDX is too fussy. The concept had a nice solid look. The production model looks like a kid tacked on an after market body kit. It's still a nice vehicle from all other angles. Even the nose isn't truly bad. It just doesn't compare with the concept.
The X3, on the other hand, looks dated and confused. I say dated, because it looks so much like the X5 we've had on the road for the past 7 years. It's also a big pile of confused shapes and lines. Again, the sheet metal isn't offensive. It's just odd.
So they handled well, sure, but they did not ride well IMO.
I would have to respectfully disagree with that. I used to think the X3's styling was nothing special, but with the '07 tweaks, and the new X5 more or less using the X3 theme, I now find the X3 to have a very clean and streamlined shape. It, and the new X5, make the old X5 looks dated and bulbous (which, I suppose, is to be expected). The RDX, on the other hand, looks good from the rear. But from most angles, it looks quite bulky and heavy and squat, making it look like it sits too low. It doesn't have an athletic look to it. The front end, as you pointed out, is too busy.
The max/min levels are not clearly marked on the dipstick. How can you tell where they are?
The Max/Min levels should be clearly indicated on the dipstick. Usually the whole range between max and min is indicated by a different pattern etched into the stick. Did you look on both sides of the stick blade?
I don't remember how the dipstick was marked, but it was pretty obvious last time I checked.
I'm at 10% at 6700 miles, on target for the first oil change at 7300-7500 miles.
The dipstick has no "max-min" marked, but I guess it's those two kinks on the lower part of it that are the bounds?? I also checked the manual and there is no info there as well. It seems they do not want you to change it yourself?
The first one is free.
Yes, you can change the oil yourself. The manual tells you how to reset the light.
"Adjust the valves during services A, B, 1, 2, or 3 only if they are noisy."
All of the Hondas I have owned have had screw-type valve lash adjusters.
If the valve clearance is too much they might make a noise, but it all depends on who does the listening. In a loud garage the tech probably won't hear it anyway. On the other hand, if the clearance is too tight, there won't be any noise, only a burned exhaust valve and an upcoming valve job. Very interesting, indeed. Thanks for the reply.
The acura dealer nearby my dealership has been doing pretty well with them. A buddy of mine works there and they have been meeting or exceeding their objectives almost every month.
http://www.businessweek.com/autos/content/may2007/bw20070522_043879.htm
Whatever the case, you can get a great deal on the RDX right now -- invoice to $500 under invoice typically.
Regarding price, look in the "prices paid" thread to see what people are really paying in various parts of the country. This data looks pretty accurate to me.
But I can't help but wonder if in the marketing of SH-AWD, very well done marketing IMMHO, they haven't inadvertently educated the public at large regarding the short-comings, even wintertime adverse roadbed harzards, of most "pretend" AWD systems currently in the SUV marketplace, most especially those derived from a FWD "base".
But the bad news for Acura is the "good" marketing of SH-AWD has also shown it to be something new and "strange". Strange to a public which in general doesn't know....about AWD.
Examples:
30K service $530 (* RDX higher)
Oil service $90
YIKES!! just as expensive as BMW...AND in shorter intervals!...
Ummm.. The cost for those services on a BMW is $ZERO.
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Every time the machine tool salesman went out into the field he always came home with his hat somehow lost or damaged. So, every expense report included a hat replacement cost.
After a few dozen hats the company accountant issued an edict: "no more personal clothing re-embursements.
When he received the salesman's next expense report it had a note at the bottom...
"find the hat".
Either way, you're gonna pay. :shades:
The RDX is typically compared to the X3.
MSRP on the RDX runs from $32,995 - $36,495.
MSRP on the X3 is $38,000.
I didn't drill down to actual True Market Value prices, and the True Cost to Own would be another good benchmark to look at.
Once you go out of warranty on the BMW the oil changes will be much, much more then 80 bucks a pop. That 6 cylinder in the X3 probably takes a minimum of 7 quarts synthetic oil at 7-8 bucks a quart. So figure 50-60 bucks just for the oil not including labor and the oil filter.
When you pick up your RDX, you get out your wallet.
Everyone tries to make this sound inconsequential, but my wife has been driving BMWs for 3.5 years and the only thing we've paid for are tires.
I'm not trying to compare total costs on any specific models... just pointing out that BMW service costs are a heck of a lot lower than every other vehicle. For most people, they will be ZERO for the first four years.
Even a Honda will set you back around $400/yr.
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