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Thats the Navi + BT package.. note the buttons on the right side of the steering wheel. Telephone and voice-activation.
The interior should work nicely, and stop playing second fiddle to the Accord.
Alpha
Maybe the Camry is at 8-9% fleet sales, and is behind Accord slightly in retail sales. At most, there is a grand on the hood. And this is in year 5? Sales are up 3-4% YTD. On fleet sales? It's already beating Accord by 30k overall, why sell more fleet? :confuse:
I don't see ANY commercials pushing Camry leases/ rebates. Doesn't mean they don't exist, just that the Camry is not "On Sale", per se.
That Camry sales are up at all in Year 5, without GM -level fire-sales, says good things to me about the car.
I've always thought the Accord was better, since the 97 Camry came out.
DrFill
It is probably preproduction, so don't take everything you see in the pictures as being exactly what the production cars will have.
Interesting because that's the only way they came in my region (Illinois/Indiana).
Differences of opinion are encouraged especially when they can be substantiated, but insults and hostility will get you nowhere.
Re: the Nav...Everyone makes mistakes from time to time, chillax.
~alpha
So far, I give it a six out of ten with the possibility for improvement. I worry about the power/response especially in CA where the current Camry has much lower HP than other models due to PZEV.
Slowly..
L o o k a t p i c No. 1 1 1 It's the steering wheel.
got that.. OK now.. see on the right hand side the little telephones.. ( BT ) and just below that the profile of the person seeming to speak ( Navi activator ). OK got them now again.. pic #111.. steering wheel
The phones are the activators for the BT function and the button below is the activator for the voice activated Navi.
Careful going off half cocked. As you know opening your mouth to confirm your.....
However as jaxs1 stated above it's prolly a preproduction unit not with all the features installed yet.
When you are ready for product knowledge #2 just ask.
Last time I checked, the picture above didn't look like a "preproduction unit"...NO next time check YOUR facts.
Toyoda
and it looks like a parking garage.
Any other 2007 Camrys in there? LE models? XLEs?
I definitely like the interior! It is such an improvement over currently Camry Interior. Rear end is a nice improvement. Front end doesn't do that much for me.
Anyone know which models will have Navigation? Voice Navigation?
Overall, new Camry comes off very well. I look forward to buying a new 2007 soon.
If the car came out March, I'd probably not seriously consider making a purchase until June.
Nah the Mazda 6 styling theme came from earlier Mazda like the 1998-1992 Mazda MX-6 and 1993-1997 626. Toyota builds good cars but a styling innovator? No.
I actually think though the nose of the 07 Camry looks like the current Lexus GS than a Mazda anyway.
Please keep in mind that these figures are based upon the Camry Hybrid's 2.4 liter ICE being of the Atkinson-Cycle design as currently used in the Japanese Estima Hybrid minivan. A whole lot of the Prius' WTW (Well to Wheel) superiority comes from the use of the 1.5 Atkinson ICE (Internal Combustion Engine) that it uses. The 192 horsepower HSD equipped Camry Hybrid's 0-60 MPH performance should be very close to slightly better than the 04-06 Prius which tests show is 10-11 seconds.
The table below is based upon the following variables:
Temperature: 88 ºF or 31 ºC
Elevation: 400 ft above sea level
Humidity: 29.93 in Hg
Load: 200 lbs. (Camry Hybrid weight compensated for)
AC: YES
Climate Control: 75 ºF or 24 ºC
Wind: 0
Fuel: 114,500 BTU per US Gal. (Summer Blend)
Road Rolling Resistance: .001144 (smooth asphalt)
Tire Rolling Resistance: .0064 (GY-Integrity @ 44/42 f/r)
Coefficient of Drag: .26-Prius & .28-Camry
Frontal Area: 2.16m^2-Prius & 2.28m^2-Camry
MPH....04-06PRIUS.....07CAMRY
70........50.94........42.41
65........54.42........44.99
60........58.62........48.10
55........61.79........50.34
50........65.52........52.98
45........68.14........54.73
40........83.80........66.91
Please note that I am using a test day with a temperature of 88 ºF & that the fuel is of a 'summer blend' (higher BTU content than 'winter blends'). Neither of these cars would be able to get the above posted mileage during the winter months we are now experiencing.
Although many will consider these figures too high, the data was plugged into the simulator & the numbers reflected above are what came out. Some will say that the Prius is not able to get the above mileage but, there are many owners that are actually doing better than the above posted figures. I actually do a little better than the numbers posted. Much of the background for the simulator used can be found at http://privatenrg.com
Actually, from what I understand, the Camry Hybrid is going to be the mid performance option for the next generation Camry. The objective of the Camry HSD is NOT sheer fuel economy as in the Prius; that would negate some of the need for the Prius.
I very much appreciate your many calculations, but am virtually certain the Camry HSD will accelerate from 0-60 more quickly than the standard 2.4L 4 cylinder, which is guesstimated to have 158-166 horses, and times from 0-60 in the 9s, as today's does.
~alpha
"Actually, from what I understand, the Camry Hybrid is going to be the mid performance option for the next generation Camry. The objective of the Camry HSD is NOT sheer fuel economy as in the Prius; that would negate some of the need for the Prius."
I agree. When I added the extra weight for the 07 Hybrid, factored in how the torque is divided amongst the motive devices via the HV ECU & put it all through the planetary gear system I came up with an 8.7-9.4 second 0-60 time (environmental & fuel variables cause the performance spread) & still got the MPG we see in msg 910.
Adding the extra weight to the 07 non-hybrid Camry with the stock 2.4L @ 160 HP showed a 9.8-10.5 0-60 spread.
The MPG table I show in msg 910 does indicate that the MPG of the 07 Camry-Hybrid is significantly lower than a 04-06 Prius but, relatively speaking, that is still very good mileage for what is going to be a pretty big car.
Again, the posted MPGs ONLY apply *IF* it is indeed an Atkinson derivitie of the 2.4L ICE. I am pretty certain that it will be & this really does make the 07 Camry-Hybrid a very exciting car!
"Your simulator has some big problems. What is with the discontinuity between 45 and 40. The 40 number looks to be in fantasy land."
The HSD (Hybrid Synergy Drive) has the ability to shut the ICE completely off below 42 MPH. This offers tremendous mileage benefits & is exactly why & how the HSD gets better City mileage than Highway mileage ie., EPA 60 City & 51 Highway for the 04-06 Prius. An ICE simply is not efficient in lower city speeds; this is how Toyota takes care of it and why there are such big gains in city mileage.
No, my simulator does have 'big problems' nor is the 40 number in 'fantasy land!' In fact, this has proven to be the most accurate simulator there is for the HSD.
You can read a whole lot more about it at: http://privatenrg.com If you still think it has a problem after reviewing all the info at this site; come on back here & I'll be glad to discuss it with you.
Wayne
"...One question, if the Engine they use for The HSD's ICE is of the Atkinson-Cycle design how much do you think of that 192 HSD horsepower will come from the Internal Combustion Engine?"
Succinctly, the 2.4L in Atkinson dress should be about 129 HP.
As a matter of interest, the 192 HP rating is a specialized combination of all motive devices involved in the HSD. These would be the ICE (internal combustion engine), MG1 (motor-generator 1) & MG2 (motor-generator 2). We will not consider MG1's HP for now as it functions predominantly as a generator & adds very little direct motive HP to the vehicle.
An Atkinson version of the 2.4L ICE should come in at around 129 HP. If that is the case then MG2 will likely come in @ 113 HP or 84-85 kW. Now those two motive devices combined make 242 HP but, the way Toyota implements the power through the HSD, the usable HP is usually around 79-80% of the combined total. 79.4% of 242 happens to be very close to 192 HP.
"Does anyone have any official data(specs) on the new 2007 Camry(non-hybrid)? I have heard about it being heavier but I do not know where that came from."
I am not saying that I have one or even have access to one but, at this stage in the game, even the official documents have disclaimers indicating that the specs can "change at any time without further notice."
With that said, the non-hybrid 07 Camry vehicles are supposed to weigh in at 175 lbs heavier than the current models. The wheelbase is supposed to be 2.2" longer even though the overall vehicle length will remain the same & the height has about 1" cut off the top. The hybrid version is going to be very close to 530 lbs heavier than the current models. The SE models will have 17" wheels while the rest get 16" wheels.
In the hybrid, the high voltage battery toward the back of the car & the Motor/Generators/Inverter & extra coolant hardware under the hood of the vehicle, will be the main reasons for the weight increase.
The HSD uses a separate cooling system from the ICE as it needs to run cooler than the engine so, there are extra 'radiators' fans & coolant pumps. Nothing yet on whether or not the Camry Hybrid gets the coolant recovery system (often referred to as the thermos) like the 04-06 US version of the Prius.
http://www.treehugger.com/files/2005/12/2007_toyota_yar.php
http://www.canadiandriver.com/news/050107-1.htm
This is all I can find, I'll get back to you when I'm free.
Tennessee isn't part of the Gulf States Toyota distribution system I believe, and there's always dealers farther north in the Midwest.
Toyota doesnt control anything at the retail level. It's left to the local marketer as it should.