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2007 Toyota Camry

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  • kdhspyderkdhspyder Member Posts: 7,160
    Image 111

    Thats the Navi + BT package.. note the buttons on the right side of the steering wheel. Telephone and voice-activation.
  • callmedrfillcallmedrfill Member Posts: 729
    Not feelin' the grille surround in front, but the rear has some style.

    The interior should work nicely, and stop playing second fiddle to the Accord. ;)

    Alpha

    Maybe the Camry is at 8-9% fleet sales, and is behind Accord slightly in retail sales. At most, there is a grand on the hood. And this is in year 5? Sales are up 3-4% YTD. On fleet sales? It's already beating Accord by 30k overall, why sell more fleet? :confuse:

    I don't see ANY commercials pushing Camry leases/ rebates. Doesn't mean they don't exist, just that the Camry is not "On Sale", per se.

    That Camry sales are up at all in Year 5, without GM -level fire-sales, says good things to me about the car. :D

    I've always thought the Accord was better, since the 97 Camry came out.

    DrFill
  • jaxs1jaxs1 Member Posts: 2,697
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  • jaxs1jaxs1 Member Posts: 2,697
    How can that be the Navi + BT package when the car didn't seem to have Navi?
    It is probably preproduction, so don't take everything you see in the pictures as being exactly what the production cars will have.
  • lmacmillmacmil Member Posts: 1,758
    "Trying to find a '02-'06 Camry SE/V6 with SABs was almost impossible in my region."

    Interesting because that's the only way they came in my region (Illinois/Indiana).
  • dampfnudeldampfnudel Member Posts: 131
    It looks like the JBL sound system is MP3/WMA compatible. Anyone knows if those projector headlights are HID's ?
  • bobob20032000bobob20032000 Member Posts: 69
    Toyota has had that nose for a while in Europe. Mazda just got the design in the US first. Mazda actually copied Toyotas from Europe.
  • neno8403neno8403 Member Posts: 49
    You'd have to be really stupid to think thats navi whoever first stated that. That is not navi. The 2007 Camry will have a radio/cd console kinda like the current Honda Accord. I am glad Toyota finally made this move. The Camry's with navigation have 5" screens and look very nice. So AGAIN, that is no the navi. Geesh.
  • alpha01alpha01 Member Posts: 4,747
    First, as a very frequent long time poster, welcome to the boards. Second, edmunds.com TownHall is a very civil place and comments such as your statement "You'd have to be really stupid to think thats navi whoever first stated that." will not be tolerated by the hosts or participants and will basically discredit any subsequent comments you may make.

    Differences of opinion are encouraged especially when they can be substantiated, but insults and hostility will get you nowhere.

    Re: the Nav...Everyone makes mistakes from time to time, chillax.

    ~alpha
  • tinatinatinatina Member Posts: 388
    Thanks for the new photos on the Camry. I like the rear, but the front I don't really care for. Looks like the Mazda noted above, or a 90s Pontiac Grand-Am. However, photos sometimes "distort" things a bit, so I can't wait to see one in person. The interior, other than the gauges does little.

    So far, I give it a six out of ten with the possibility for improvement. I worry about the power/response especially in CA where the current Camry has much lower HP than other models due to PZEV.
  • kdhspyderkdhspyder Member Posts: 7,160
    OK Mr. Genius..since you didnt look at the pic I mentioned.. Since I sell these and all the other vehicles with the voice actived Navi I'll give you a little lesson in product knowledge.

    Slowly..
    L o o k a t p i c No. 1 1 1 It's the steering wheel.
    got that.. OK now.. see on the right hand side the little telephones.. ( BT ) and just below that the profile of the person seeming to speak ( Navi activator ). OK got them now again.. pic #111.. steering wheel

    The phones are the activators for the BT function and the button below is the activator for the voice activated Navi.

    Careful going off half cocked. As you know opening your mouth to confirm your.....

    However as jaxs1 stated above it's prolly a preproduction unit not with all the features installed yet.

    When you are ready for product knowledge #2 just ask. ;)
  • krispykreme1krispykreme1 Member Posts: 22
    The new Camry looks awesome with its sleek exterior (in my opinion) and upgraded interior. Just one question though - with all this extra horsepower in the 3.5L V6, wouldn't the front drive setup inevitably lead to torque steer for the Camry? The Acura TL has about 258 HP (not sure of exact number) but there have been reports that it exhibits torque steer.
  • neno8403neno8403 Member Posts: 49
    image

    Last time I checked, the picture above didn't look like a "preproduction unit"...NO next time check YOUR facts.
  • guillguill Member Posts: 94
    Tommyg12, Just curious, where is this Camry located at? Some interesting autos in that garage.
  • growwisegrowwise Member Posts: 296
    Someone didnt like the front too and tweaked it on photoshop or something... Here is the link
    Toyoda
  • goodegggoodegg Member Posts: 905
    Torque steer in the automatic version should be unnoticeable(TL issue was peculiar to the MT). Especially considering how most Camry drivers will not push the car hard anyway.
  • kdhspyderkdhspyder Member Posts: 7,160
    Did you even look at which pic I was referring to.. The pic you showed is the Japanese model. Hellooo. Thats not the one I was referring to. ( see tommyg12 img 111 ). Have a nice day.
  • neno8403neno8403 Member Posts: 49
    NO!! You're kidding. Its the Japanese version? God, I really couldnt tell with all the Japanese writing and all what with the steering wheel on the right side as well (sarcasm, sarcasm, sarcasm). Where is a sarcasm smiley when you need one. Anyway, I do apologize for coming off as harsh as I did put it was still pretty foolish to think that was navi. Good day.
  • kdhspyderkdhspyder Member Posts: 7,160
    That's OK. Since you obviously didnt see the pic I referred I can understand your confusion. Peace brother.
  • jaxs1jaxs1 Member Posts: 2,697
    The car is set to debut at an auto show next year, so I wonder if that is the actual car that will be on display?
  • maximus_gtimaximus_gti Member Posts: 27
    We'll see on Jan. 8th at the detroit autoshow :D . I'll be there to take some pix.
  • jchan2jchan2 Member Posts: 4,956
    I'm wondering that too and it seems like The Hollywood Extra took your pictures by the way.

    and it looks like a parking garage.

    Any other 2007 Camrys in there? LE models? XLEs?
  • jaxs1jaxs1 Member Posts: 2,697
    Hollywood Extra does stuff like that.
  • tidewatertidewater Member Posts: 69
    Thanks for the great pics.

    I definitely like the interior! It is such an improvement over currently Camry Interior. Rear end is a nice improvement. Front end doesn't do that much for me.

    Anyone know which models will have Navigation? Voice Navigation?

    Overall, new Camry comes off very well. I look forward to buying a new 2007 soon.
  • jaxs1jaxs1 Member Posts: 2,697
    I look forward to "looking at" and test driving the new Camry. I won't make plans to buy based soley on appearance. I'd need to see how it drives, what real-world gas mileage the first owners get, what they sell for, crash test results and what kinds of reliability and quality control issues they have in the first few month etc..
    If the car came out March, I'd probably not seriously consider making a purchase until June.
  • carguy58carguy58 Member Posts: 2,303
    "Toyota has had that nose for a while in Europe. Mazda just got the design in the US first. Mazda actually copied Toyotas from Europe."

    Nah the Mazda 6 styling theme came from earlier Mazda like the 1998-1992 Mazda MX-6 and 1993-1997 626. Toyota builds good cars but a styling innovator? No.

    I actually think though the nose of the 07 Camry looks like the current Lexus GS than a Mazda anyway.
  • carguy58carguy58 Member Posts: 2,303
    it looks like the Corolla's big brother with a bull dog grille off a Lexus concept car. What is that Lexus concept car: the LF or something like that?
  • carguy58carguy58 Member Posts: 2,303
    look to be pleasent looking but the bull-dog grille looks to be out of place with the rest of the cars design.
  • krispykreme1krispykreme1 Member Posts: 22
    Can anyone tell whether the brake lights are LED or not?
  • mwbuenomwbueno Member Posts: 9
    I am going to stick my neck out a little bit & offer some possible MPG figures for the new Camry Hybrid with a side by side comparison with the 04-06 Prius.

    Please keep in mind that these figures are based upon the Camry Hybrid's 2.4 liter ICE being of the Atkinson-Cycle design as currently used in the Japanese Estima Hybrid minivan. A whole lot of the Prius' WTW (Well to Wheel) superiority comes from the use of the 1.5 Atkinson ICE (Internal Combustion Engine) that it uses. The 192 horsepower HSD equipped Camry Hybrid's 0-60 MPH performance should be very close to slightly better than the 04-06 Prius which tests show is 10-11 seconds.

    The table below is based upon the following variables:

    Temperature: 88 ºF or 31 ºC
    Elevation: 400 ft above sea level
    Humidity: 29.93 in Hg
    Load: 200 lbs. (Camry Hybrid weight compensated for)
    AC: YES
    Climate Control: 75 ºF or 24 ºC
    Wind: 0
    Fuel: 114,500 BTU per US Gal. (Summer Blend)
    Road Rolling Resistance: .001144 (smooth asphalt)
    Tire Rolling Resistance: .0064 (GY-Integrity @ 44/42 f/r)
    Coefficient of Drag: .26-Prius & .28-Camry
    Frontal Area: 2.16m^2-Prius & 2.28m^2-Camry

    MPH....04-06PRIUS.....07CAMRY
    70........50.94........42.41
    65........54.42........44.99
    60........58.62........48.10
    55........61.79........50.34
    50........65.52........52.98
    45........68.14........54.73
    40........83.80........66.91

    Please note that I am using a test day with a temperature of 88 ºF & that the fuel is of a 'summer blend' (higher BTU content than 'winter blends'). Neither of these cars would be able to get the above posted mileage during the winter months we are now experiencing.

    Although many will consider these figures too high, the data was plugged into the simulator & the numbers reflected above are what came out. Some will say that the Prius is not able to get the above mileage but, there are many owners that are actually doing better than the above posted figures. I actually do a little better than the numbers posted. Much of the background for the simulator used can be found at http://privatenrg.com
  • alpha01alpha01 Member Posts: 4,747
    "The 192 horsepower HSD equipped Camry Hybrid's 0-60 MPH performance should be very close to slightly better than the 04-06 Prius which tests show is 10-11 seconds. "

    Actually, from what I understand, the Camry Hybrid is going to be the mid performance option for the next generation Camry. The objective of the Camry HSD is NOT sheer fuel economy as in the Prius; that would negate some of the need for the Prius.

    I very much appreciate your many calculations, but am virtually certain the Camry HSD will accelerate from 0-60 more quickly than the standard 2.4L 4 cylinder, which is guesstimated to have 158-166 horses, and times from 0-60 in the 9s, as today's does.

    ~alpha
  • mwbuenomwbueno Member Posts: 9
    alpha01 said:
    "Actually, from what I understand, the Camry Hybrid is going to be the mid performance option for the next generation Camry. The objective of the Camry HSD is NOT sheer fuel economy as in the Prius; that would negate some of the need for the Prius."

    I agree. When I added the extra weight for the 07 Hybrid, factored in how the torque is divided amongst the motive devices via the HV ECU & put it all through the planetary gear system I came up with an 8.7-9.4 second 0-60 time (environmental & fuel variables cause the performance spread) & still got the MPG we see in msg 910.

    Adding the extra weight to the 07 non-hybrid Camry with the stock 2.4L @ 160 HP showed a 9.8-10.5 0-60 spread.

    The MPG table I show in msg 910 does indicate that the MPG of the 07 Camry-Hybrid is significantly lower than a 04-06 Prius but, relatively speaking, that is still very good mileage for what is going to be a pretty big car.

    Again, the posted MPGs ONLY apply *IF* it is indeed an Atkinson derivitie of the 2.4L ICE. I am pretty certain that it will be & this really does make the 07 Camry-Hybrid a very exciting car!
  • fredvhfredvh Member Posts: 857
    Does anyone have any official data(specs) on the new 2007 Camry(non-hybrid)? I have heard about it being heavier but I do not know where that came from.
  • tradscotttradscott Member Posts: 108
    Your simulator has some big problems. What is with the discontinuity between 45 and 40. The 40 number looks to be in fantasy land.
  • mwbuenomwbueno Member Posts: 9
    tradscott said:
    "Your simulator has some big problems. What is with the discontinuity between 45 and 40. The 40 number looks to be in fantasy land."

    The HSD (Hybrid Synergy Drive) has the ability to shut the ICE completely off below 42 MPH. This offers tremendous mileage benefits & is exactly why & how the HSD gets better City mileage than Highway mileage ie., EPA 60 City & 51 Highway for the 04-06 Prius. An ICE simply is not efficient in lower city speeds; this is how Toyota takes care of it and why there are such big gains in city mileage.

    No, my simulator does have 'big problems' nor is the 40 number in 'fantasy land!' In fact, this has proven to be the most accurate simulator there is for the HSD.

    You can read a whole lot more about it at: http://privatenrg.com If you still think it has a problem after reviewing all the info at this site; come on back here & I'll be glad to discuss it with you.

    Wayne
  • spaziwkspaziwk Member Posts: 9
    Thanks for the info. I would love to see Highway MPG for the Camry Hybrid in the low 40's. One question, if the Engine they use for The HSD's ICE is of the Atkinson-Cycle design how much do you think of that 192 HSD horsepower will come from the Internal Combustion Engine?
  • mwbuenomwbueno Member Posts: 9
    spazwik asked:

    "...One question, if the Engine they use for The HSD's ICE is of the Atkinson-Cycle design how much do you think of that 192 HSD horsepower will come from the Internal Combustion Engine?"

    Succinctly, the 2.4L in Atkinson dress should be about 129 HP.

    As a matter of interest, the 192 HP rating is a specialized combination of all motive devices involved in the HSD. These would be the ICE (internal combustion engine), MG1 (motor-generator 1) & MG2 (motor-generator 2). We will not consider MG1's HP for now as it functions predominantly as a generator & adds very little direct motive HP to the vehicle.

    An Atkinson version of the 2.4L ICE should come in at around 129 HP. If that is the case then MG2 will likely come in @ 113 HP or 84-85 kW. Now those two motive devices combined make 242 HP but, the way Toyota implements the power through the HSD, the usable HP is usually around 79-80% of the combined total. 79.4% of 242 happens to be very close to 192 HP.
  • mwbuenomwbueno Member Posts: 9
    fredvh asked:

    "Does anyone have any official data(specs) on the new 2007 Camry(non-hybrid)? I have heard about it being heavier but I do not know where that came from."

    I am not saying that I have one or even have access to one but, at this stage in the game, even the official documents have disclaimers indicating that the specs can "change at any time without further notice."

    With that said, the non-hybrid 07 Camry vehicles are supposed to weigh in at 175 lbs heavier than the current models. The wheelbase is supposed to be 2.2" longer even though the overall vehicle length will remain the same & the height has about 1" cut off the top. The hybrid version is going to be very close to 530 lbs heavier than the current models. The SE models will have 17" wheels while the rest get 16" wheels.

    In the hybrid, the high voltage battery toward the back of the car & the Motor/Generators/Inverter & extra coolant hardware under the hood of the vehicle, will be the main reasons for the weight increase.

    The HSD uses a separate cooling system from the ICE as it needs to run cooler than the engine so, there are extra 'radiators' fans & coolant pumps. Nothing yet on whether or not the Camry Hybrid gets the coolant recovery system (often referred to as the thermos) like the 04-06 US version of the Prius.
  • fredvhfredvh Member Posts: 857
    Thanks mwbueno. We are anxiously waiting for more news and more details. The early spy shots are very encouraging for a very nice looking Camry.
  • day9day9 Member Posts: 57
    Look at the nose of this 07 Yaris sedan. Personally, it looks somewhat better than camry's.

    http://www.treehugger.com/files/2005/12/2007_toyota_yar.php
  • customercustomer Member Posts: 2
    Does any one have the sales data of Honda Accord in Canada in recent years? I have got the sales data for Toyota Camry, but cannot find data for Honda accord. It will be very interesting to investigate the differences if Accord's sales data could be available. Thanks for your help!
  • customercustomer Member Posts: 2
    It is not that Toyota thinks we Canadians are made of money, but the Toyota DEALERS in Canada think so: Toyota dealers are the ones who rob money out of our pockets. I will probably post a message in a couple of weeks to show the inside working of the access pricing.
  • ctalkctalk Member Posts: 646
    I dont have any sales data, but I believe the Accord outsells the Camry (in Canada). I believe you can find it on www.canadiandriver.com

    http://www.canadiandriver.com/news/050107-1.htm
    This is all I can find, I'll get back to you when I'm free.
  • bobob20032000bobob20032000 Member Posts: 69
    That is because Canadian have more common sense than AMericans. Hondas are just better than Toyota.
  • lmacmillmacmil Member Posts: 1,758
    You need to add one of those smiley faces when you make a statement like that. Otherwise, someone might take you seriously ;)
  • jchan2jchan2 Member Posts: 4,956
    I guess if you live in an area where Toyotas are distributed by some other company where they add ToyoGuard, it might be better to just get the Honda.
  • littlejohn600littlejohn600 Member Posts: 80
    I do not understand how the Toyota Corp would allow some of their distributators to add the VERY VERY "overpriced" Toyotaguard @$699 or Toyota Protection @$619. This must sent a lot of potential Toyota customers to Honda. It is really frustrating to look for a car in the South region that is comes without this stuff.
  • jchan2jchan2 Member Posts: 4,956
    ToyoGuard can be easily avoided though if you're willing to go out of state for your car.

    Tennessee isn't part of the Gulf States Toyota distribution system I believe, and there's always dealers farther north in the Midwest.
  • kdhspyderkdhspyder Member Posts: 7,160
    We get NC customers all the time here in VA who complain about the same thing. However if you are strong enough demand that it not be put on the vehicle. Lots of people do that also.

    Toyota doesnt control anything at the retail level. It's left to the local marketer as it should.
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