2007 Toyota Camry

i_luv_toyota

But from what I saw I do like!

Apparently, Toyota engineers like Krispy Kreme donuts, too!

rex

Anyone know stradgy/process for early ordering of a '07 Camray? Rex2443

lmacmil

You dealer will tell you when you can order one. Probably not until a month or so before they actually go on sale. At this time, the dealer will probably deny any knowledge of an early release for the '07 model and it's likely that he really doesn't know since it's all rumor and speculation at this point.

bobob20032000

It is the same engine with a different rating. you should get the same performance as an 2005 engine.

Honda hasnt updated their horsepower ratings except for the 2006 Honda Odyssey. Acura hasn't updated their horsepower ratings except for the 2006 Acura RSX and Acura TSX. Toyota has updated all of their 2006 models. (unsure about Highlander Hybrid)

jrock65

Honda has published the updated hp ratings for all 2006 Acuras and the 2006 Accord.

2006 Accord V6: 244 hp
2006 TL: 258 hp

ctalk

Acura released information on its entire lineup.
http://vtec.net/news/news-item?news_item_id=384913

ctalk

Sorry the other two didn't work, I really like the 07 interior.

luvmycamry

I saw for the first time today the spy photos, and now I'm salivating like Pavlov's dog! I currently have an 05 SE with the 3.3L V6...I truly love it. But damn, even behind all that tape, the 07 looks mighty fine. Hope to see its debut at Tokyo in October. I have a feeling next spring will be a long time comin'...

sorter

What are you going to do, trade in your 05 for a 280HP V6 with 6 Spd Auto?

alpha01

I believe the 3.5L is now 268 horses.



~alpha

chris65amg

IL says that the Camry will use an improved 3.3L for the V6. So it might make more than 230 hp now, even with SAE. Toyota doesn't like being embarrassed.

dewey

I have never ever desired to own a Toyota until I heard there will be a i4 hyrbid version. This new hybrid Camry will be the equivalent of what my wife's 83 MB300D was in the early 80's---a fuel efficient, durable and reliable car. Hopefully there will be more emphasis on fuel economy versus performance(contary to the Accord hybrid). If I want performance/handling I would stick with a rwd, manual and i6 car(hint: a sport sedan with 3 initials on its hood).

http://www.edmunds.com/insideline/do/News/articleId=106974#1

jchan2

could also be found in a Japanese, RWD, 280 horsepower car that has a wedgeish badge (it looks kinda like a lemon to me) on the hood and has a name that begins with a "G".

navigator89

could also be found in a Japanese, RWD, 306 horsepower car with an L badge with a 45 degree angle on the hood an a name that begins with "IS".

210delray

Where does it say in the article the hybrid will use the 4-cylinder gas engine as opposed to V6? It wasn't clear to me.

dewey

http://www.treehugger.com/files/2005/08/toyota_camry_hy.php

jchan2

True, which proves that the 3 isn't the only sports sedan on the planet.

joecarnut

Avensis Movies

dewey

True, which proves that the 3 isn't the only sports sedan on the planet.

Thanks for pointing the above fact out to me. I always thought there was only one benchmark sport sedan and then all those other sport sedans

jchan2

In the 90's the 3 was probably the benchmark out there, with all the others followers.

But some companies have caught up recently.
Cadillac with the CTS
Infiniti with the G35
Lexus with the second generation IS

And this is a long shot, but the FWD TL is a pretty good car also.

dewey

Huhhh :confuse:

That is news to me! Anyway this is the Camry forum and we are getting a bit off topic.

joecarnut

I believe this is a video of what the new Camry may look like or at least resemble according to recent news.
Avensis/Camry
This is from Toyota's Great Britain website. The front end looks very refined. But the rear half looks a bit dull.

307web

No it is not. That is a completely different car. The Camry is built in the US and has US-specific styling for the North American market that does not look like UK or European Toyotas. Links to real preview photos were posted here several weeks ago.

joecarnut

I have seen all the pictures you mentioned.
This article says it will use Avensis styling cues.
The Look Of Avensis
I never said it would use the same platform or powerplant etc.
I said it may look or resemble the Avensis as this article plainly points out.
Hence "Styling Cues".

It is an Edmunds article, so debate it with them.

altis05

The 2007 camry's grill looks similiar to this car
http://tw.f4.page.bid.yahoo.com/tw/auction/d13934901

altis05

http://tw.page.bid.yahoo.com/tw/auction/1136966293

jchan2

the current Camry with a different grille and a tweaked rear end?

307web

Yes.

joecarnut

IL Exclusive: Latest Info on the 2007 Toyota Camry
Date Posted 08-23-2005

TOKYO — Toyota is putting the finishing touches on the next-generation Camry sedan, which is to make its public debut in January at the 2006 North American International Auto Show in Detroit, sources tell Inside Line.

More of the same formula — roominess and high quality — can be expected for this sixth-generation Camry, along with an American-made hybrid version. Unexpected is an "aggressive" look to replace the Camry's often criticized bland styling. Sources say the Camry borrows cues, including the aggressive front end, from Toyota's European-sold Avensis, combined with a sloping back and short deck.

motownusa

I really hope the next Gen. Camry gets the 3.5 instead of continuing on with the 3.3L. Not only is the 3.5L engine more powerful but it is cleaner and gets better gas mileage and would be more cost effective to produce. Having the new Camry with the old engine doesnt make any sense. Just my 2 cents :confuse:

lmacmil

"...the 3.5L engine...would be more cost effective to produce."

On what basis do you make this statement? It's a brand new engine and the volume is undoubtedly lower than the 3.3/3.0 series. That doesn't add up to a manufacturing cost advantage.

210delray

I read (probably in Ward's or Automotive News) that the V6 would be a 3.3-liter unit derived from the Avalon's 3.5-liter V6.

rhaeffele

That at least makes sense. Same technology, but slightly less displacement and power so the Avalon can still command its premium.

alpha01

Toyota is planning to introduce the 3.5L in basically every application that currently uses the 3.3L engine, and many that dont (think Lexus GS). Given that, why would it be more cost effective for Toyota to continue production of the 3.0L/3.3L for only the Camry. Additionally, why would Toyota spend money on tooling and resources to produce 3 separate V6 engines at the Kentucky plant (3.0L, 3.3L, 3.5L). Initially, no doubt, moving to the 3.5L will be expensive and reduce cash flow, but effective implentation of the engine will spread costs. (Plus, its a much more competitive engine than the current 3L/ 3.3L).

~alpha

nippononly

the old 3.0 will be history after the new Camry arrives?

Now the 3.3, I dunno, I could easily see them continuing that engine for a while, and updating the Camry's engine mid-cycle. I mean, that's the engine the Sienna, HL, and RX use (not to mention Solara). Why build a BRAND NEW 3.3 off the Avalon's 3.5? The existing 3.3 hasn't been around that long.

vixter

Just to clear things up a little. The Avalon's 3.5L is derived from the 4Runner/Tacoma 4.0L and the current 3.3L is derived from the 3.0L.
Vic

210delray

Right, and so if a replacement 3.3-liter V6 is derived from the 3.5- and 4.0-liter engine family, by definition, it's not an all new engine.

alpha01

I still disagree with the alleged report of an Avalon dervied 3.3L, but I guess time will tell. I just dont know why Toyota would develop a 5th iteration of the 4.0L engine for use ONLY in the Camry.

Remember, theres already

1) 204 horse 2.5L
2) 240ish horse 3.0L
3) 268 and 306 horse versions of the 3.5L
4) 245 horse high torque applications of the 4.0L

is there really a business case for a 3.3L?

~alpha

jimmykce1

I think what Toyota will do is put the 3.5L in the Camry SE and use the 3.3L in all other models Camry.

lmacmil

"is there really a business case for a 3.3L?"

I don't think so. Since they've got a perfectly adequate and tooled 3.3L, destroking the Avalon 3.5 to 3.3 doesn't seem to make sense. In addition to new crank and con rods, you've also got the emissions certifications and crash tests to deal with. Also potential major tearups in the engine compartment for new motor & transmission mounts. Hard to justify for the relatively small number of V6 Camrys. I guess we'll find out in 8 or 9 months.

210delray

Hey, I'm just reporting what I thought I read. Maybe they'll just use the new 3.0-liter V6. But I think the current 3.0- and 3.3-liter's days are numbered.

I don't think new crash tests are required just for de-stroking an engine.

dudleyr

If the new 3.0 has more hp than the old 3.3 then what is the point of putting in the 3.5. The 3.0 will weigh less (better handling) and will get better gas mileage - more important every day.

I just don't get the whole "it has to be bigger and more powerfull every year" thing. Why can't it keep the same power and get smaller and more efficient. It is not like people drag race these things. BTW as it is the Camry V6 is faster than several years of Corvettes.

gs3

it would make more business sense for toyota to put the 3.0L engine that is currently in the GS300, its newly developed with double vvti and direct injection, tune it a bit to put out 250ish hp and mated with a 6 speed auto tranny in a overall lighter car and package then the avalon and the GS300 and this will possibly yield EPA of 24city/33-34 highway, thats as effecient as a current four cylinder camry with good amount of hp and torque increase.

alpha01

It should really only be like 6 months, the Camry is said to be debuting in late Feb, and its already Sept!

Also, you're right. The majority of Camrys are 4 cylinders, but still.. if the take rate on V6 Camrys is between 20 and 25% as it has been with this generation, that still means 80,000 to 100,000 units per year (assuming the Camry continues to sell 400k copies).

~alpha

lmacmil

From a marketing standpoint, Toyota may want to keep the engine offerings separate between Toyota and Lexus. That's why I don't think we'll see the Lexus 3.0L direct injection engine in a Camry. Since the Camry V6 installation rate is only 20-25% and the typical Camry buyer isn't attuned to the various engine features like direct injection, I don't think they'll put a really high tech engine in the Camry unless it's more cost effective for them to do so..

jrock65

I think they'll use the 3.5 GR engine for the Camry, as well as for the Sienna and Highlander, and the RAV4 (yep, it's getting a V6). We already know that the next RX and ES are getting the 3.5 GR.

After the GS300 becomes the GS350, there may no longer be a 3.0 GR for the US.

The 3.5 GR (no direct injection) mated with a 5 speed in the Avalon Limited (3600 lbs) gets 22/31 EPA.

The 3.0 GR (direct injection) mated with a 6 speed in the GS300 (3536 lbs) gets 22/30 EPA.

So, the GS300 has a less powerful engine, direct injection, one more gear, and less weight (all of which should theoretically give you better mileage), but actually gets lower EPA mileage.

I say put in the 3.5 GR in the Camry. As can be seen from the Avalon/GS300 example, there is not a shred of evidence that the 3.0 GR gets better mileage than the 3.5 GR.

tidewater

The new Avalon looks incredibly nice to me. The prelim photos of the 2007 Camry look to me like the the current Avalon which I have heard is having success in sales. Hence, I would look forward to the 2007 Camry having dimensions and appearance closer to the Avalon (somewhat longer length) and better interior styling, and hopefully better center arm rest. I would like to be able to purchase a Camry with 4I rather than a V6 for its superior mileage, miles per tank, and 2 to 3 grand lower engine cost. Just the thought of a new exciting Camry design is also a reason for me to wait till early/mid 2006 for the new 2007 Camry arrival. New Avalon at MSRP of 26 to 31K is a little more than I would like to pay. I am hoping new Camry will be available with roughly similar features at say a $6,000 cost savings.

Would anyone have thoughts as to if I am off on these assumptions?

307web

No reason to assume anything. If you wait long enough you will find out the real info and can make plans at that point.

alpha01

"So, the GS300 has a less powerful engine, direct injection, one more gear, and less weight (all of which should theoretically give you better mileage), but actually gets lower EPA mileage."

Kind of, but not really. It wouldnt matter if the GS had a 10 speed auto, if the top gear is too short and the engine is spinning at 4 grand on the tach at 65 MPH, fuel economy will suffer. Obviously, Toy/Lex sought to quicken the pace of the arguably underengined GS300 by keeping it revving a bit higher.

~alpha

kman87

It's pretty obvious that the 3.5L motor in the Avalon is the best thing Toyota has going for it in terms of power, fuel economy, and cleanliness, and it would make sense for Toyota to implement it in all of its V6-powered cars. However, if they put the exact same motor in both the V6 Camry and the Avalon, that'll siphon sales from the Avalon, without a doubt. So, what they'll probably do is just detune the 3.5L engine a bit for the V6 Camry; then, they can market the Avalon as more luxurious AND more powerful, in order for it to command its premium. It's very similar to what Nissan did with the Altima 3.5 SE and Maxima 3.5 SE, and I think it's a good strategy.