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Honda Civic Sedan 2006

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  • targettuningtargettuning Member Posts: 1,371
    I'm 6 ft. and I don't have any particular problem. In fact after having read some of those complaints I looked at my leg/knee position while driving and my knee isn't even close to the handbrake..just my steering wheel/seat/ driving position combination I guess.
  • bigal3bigal3 Member Posts: 107
    I am 6'1" & my right knee is around 4" from the hand brake under normal position.
  • jnuzzijnuzzi Member Posts: 39
    No knee-rubbing here :shades:
  • kknowleskknowles Member Posts: 15
    I may be the first person in the country to wreck an 06 Civic coupe. Rear-ended a guy who shouldn't have stopped at a complicated intersection. I was going about 2 mph and hit a sturdy metal bumper on a 91 Buick. No airbags went off and the car drove fine afterward.

    Obvious damage was to the bumper, grill, hood, one headlight and the teeny front corner of the left quarterpanel (which I asked to be replaced). My guess was $2,000 total. Insurance offered extra guarantee if I had work done by a Volkswagon/Chrysler dealer. Body guy pointed out that radiator and condenser were slightly pushed back, and probably ought to be replaced. He guessed $3,000 total. After parts were priced: $4,450.

    The 8-weekday repair job was delayed in part because the new quarterpanel arrived with damage.

    Just got the car back. Shop appears to have done a great job matching the galaxy grey paint, and everything is cool, except that I noticed they painted the lower grill and cheapo plastic fog light covers instead of leaving them black. First reaction: big improvement on the fog light covers, but not so sure about lower grill. Now I'm kind of liking the whole thing.

    Other impressions after further ownership:
    1. Handbrake is still non-issue for me. (I'm 5-8) Wife has Mazda3. It's a great car, too, but less comfortabl/more cramped for right leg.
    2. After adding 12-inch powered sub, stereo is great. I am very picky. No need for better speakers. MP3 CD capability and album-switching speed is also great.
    3. Mileage is averaging just a hair under 35 mpg for daily commute of 78 miles, including 12 miles city, plus more city driving on weekends. First tank of 38 mpg now attributed to dealer overfill.
    4. Can't see radio readout through polarized sunglasses (as noted in Car & Driver), but unlike the magazine I can see the speedo and tach fine.
    5. Perhaps the Most Major annoyance: Sun visors too small, and can't be adjusted to shield space above rearview mirror. Considering posterboard and Scotch tape.
    6. Cupholders are best ever, as is the adjustable armrest and built-in slot for garage-door opener.
    7. Putting change in tray left of steering wheel seems like a good idea, but coins are very hard to retrieve. I have a dime that is in a crack by the dead pedal -- there to stay.
    8. Love the digital speedo. Hard time switching back to anything else.
    9. After 3,500 miles, oil-life meter says 50%. Will probably change it soon.
    10. Antilock brakes superb in recent snowstorm. Car was very competent to drive in snow. (Better than the Mazda3)
    11. Overall: Love this car.

    Hope this helps.
  • warnerwarner Member Posts: 196
    Thanks for your review! Now you've got me wanting to check a few things...like the polarized sunglasses thing. I have those and will try looking at the gauges and radio on the way home from work today.

    I don't have enough miles on mine yet to give a "first tank mpg", as the dealer gave it to me with something less than a full tank. I filled it the other day, and with all the driving I do (at least 80 miles a day), I should have an MPG report for everyone soon. I am a fairly agressive driver, so don't look for any world-records with my numbers.

    I also LOVE the dash display....I can't see how anyone wouldn't, but I guess that's because I like it so much.

    Garage door opener slot? Am I going to actually have to read the owner's manual? Hehehe. I didn't notice that but could definitely USE it...I have the opener clipped to the visor currently. I'll check that on my way home, also.

    Could you elaborate on your subwoofer install (with pricing)? I may consider it if it makes a huge difference.

    I noticed the same performance with the anti-lock brakes. I didn't need them, but tried them on our street (which pretty much gets clear when the snow melts...Hehe) and they worked fine. Believe it or not, this is my FIRST car to have them. It's kind of a weird feeling....the way they vibrate reminds me of a toy with plastic gears rubbing against each other....it sounds so destructive!

    I moved my Sirius sattelite radio over to this Civic from my 2004, and that little slot just behind the (auto) shifter was the perfect little cubby-hole for it. It almost look factory....the blue colored backlighting isn't an exact match, but it's close.

    Like yourself, I've been VERY happy with the new Civic thus far. When I started reading about how people had issues with the shift points on the auto trans I started to worry, but it really seems to shift at the correct points to me. It's too early to completely sign off on it as perfect, but I don't have any complaints yet.
  • backybacky Member Posts: 18,949
    Over $4000 damage on a 2 mph frontal collision? What is the world coming to?!? :sick: I guess this is the price we pay for swoopy styling and high mpg.
  • jaxs1jaxs1 Member Posts: 2,697
    Most likely guessing speed. Probably was really going more than 2 MPH. Maybe 5-10MPH.
  • gbreitlinggbreitling Member Posts: 14
    I have my Civic for about 3 weeks now... 1500 miles very little to complain about. no problem at all with hand brake.I can only imagine that either chunky legs ,long legs, and/or poor positioning are causing that.Only annoying factor is that the auto lock, locks ALL doors and auto unlock does just the drivers door requiring pushing the unlock button to let others out. So.... why have it auto at all???? :confuse: Besides that.. the manual is smooth.. the engine is reasonably peppy.. the ride is good... mpg :mixed driving around 35 long trip to CT from Jersey.. solid 39.
  • jaxs1jaxs1 Member Posts: 2,697
    For safety from carjackers. If all the doors unlocked automatically, someone out of your view could jump in one of the other doors.
    Why can't passengers unlock their own doors?
    Pressing the unlock button is pretty easy if you need to let someone in.
  • boomchekboomchek Member Posts: 5,516
    I believe those locks are programmable so that if you don't want them to lock you can program them not to lock.

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  • kasper06kasper06 Member Posts: 30
    Hi kknowles,

    Is your '06 Civic coupe a DX, LX, or EX? Auto or manual tranny? Just curious.
  • kasper06kasper06 Member Posts: 30
    I'm interested in buying an '06 Civic coupe, most likely LX trim and am wondering approximately how much higher the coupe costs compared to the sedan for insurance coverage. I'm 35 yo and have no moving/parking violations and currently receive a good driver discount. This question goes out to anyone in the know.

    Thanks.
  • kknowleskknowles Member Posts: 15
    Re: Speed in wreck
    Yes, 2 mph is an estimate. I was very close to not hitting him, as I had hit the brake before impact. It certainly wasn't approaching anywhere close to 10 mph. The airbags didn't go off, and the damage appeared to be very, very minor to my coworkers. Repair cost was driven up in small part by my demand for new quarterpanel, even though only a tiny front corner of that piece was affected.

    Re: car type
    Manual tranny, LX

    Re: subwoofer
    Already owned amp, woofer and box used in previous cars. Installation of amp (mostly wiring to trunk) was about $120. With some shopping you can get a strong woofer (I like Sony) for $40-$50, a box for $25, and amp for $150 or less. (Pawn shops are great if you want to pay even less) Can't say enough about how great this is. I've had a powered sub in my cars since 1990. Stock speakers aren't as good when you try to make bass with them. Adding a sub lets you turn down bass on the main speakers, allowing them to concentrate on what they do best, the higher frequencies. Most of the investment can be carried to future cars. My current parts are 6-13 yrs old, with oldest stuff now in fourth car.

    Re: insurance
    Don't know about coupe vs. 4-dr, but I am 41 with good record (up to now) and my insurance had dropped from $285 to $250/6 mos. from previous car, a V6 Mitsu Eclipse that was 5 years old.

    Re: garage door holder
    I was referring to a little slot just ahead of the manual shifter. I was looking all over for a place to put my opener, and I realized this little slot was exactly the right size to insert the clip of my garage remote. It is so simple but absolutely brilliant. I can't say for sure that's what the intent is -- because it seems like not every opener would fit there -- but it helps convince me those Honda people are just one step ahead of everyone else. (This is my first one, and I'm impressed.)
  • jaxs1jaxs1 Member Posts: 2,697
    10MPH isn't very fast and feels very slow in a car (many people jog at that pace) and the airbags shouldn't go off at that speed since they aren't needed, but even 5 or 6MPH is enough for some expensive cosmetic vehicle damage on many cars since most car bumpers are only rated for 2.5MPH.
    If you were going at 2MPH, there should have bee no damage.
  • hawkeyeohihawkeyeohi Member Posts: 17
    I live in Dayton Ohio and checked on insurance for 06' EX coupe vs EX Sedan. The 6 mo. premium for the coupe was $337 vs $291 for the sedan. I also checked on 06' Accord LX Special Edition sedan and it was only $265 every 6 months. These rates were based on a $500 deduct., good driver disc., mutiple car disc., and having the house insured with them also. Hope this helps.
  • warnerwarner Member Posts: 196
    Re: subwoofer
    Already owned amp, woofer and box used in previous cars. Installation of amp (mostly wiring to trunk) was about $120. With some shopping you can get a strong woofer (I like Sony) for $40-$50, a box for $25, and amp for $150 or less. (Pawn shops are great if you want to pay even less) Can't say enough about how great this is. I've had a powered sub in my cars since 1990. Stock speakers aren't as good when you try to make bass with them. Adding a sub lets you turn down bass on the main speakers, allowing them to concentrate on what they do best, the higher frequencies. Most of the investment can be carried to future cars. My current parts are 6-13 yrs old, with oldest stuff now in fourth car.



    Gotcha'. I think even more than bass what's missing from the system are good highs. The speaker's don't seem to have any tweeters in them, or at least not crisp sounding ones. I'd probably opt to replace at least a couple of the speakers with ones that had GOOD tweeters in them if I were going to do a sub setup, too.


    Re: garage door holder
    I was referring to a little slot just ahead of the manual shifter. I was looking all over for a place to put my opener, and I realized this little slot was exactly the right size to insert the clip of my garage remote. It is so simple but absolutely brilliant. I can't say for sure that's what the intent is -- because it seems like not every opener would fit there -- but it helps convince me those Honda people are just one step ahead of everyone else. (This is my first one, and I'm impressed.)



    Okay...I wondered if that's what you were talking about. I put CD's in there. And the little slot just above that (in the dash) is where I installed my Sirius satellite radio, and it almost looks factory installed there. This is your first Honda, huh? This is my 2nd and I am also very impressed with Honda. I cannot picture myself buying another make after my recent experiences with Honda. I have had several new cars over the years (I'm 40) and I can say without a doubt the Hondas have impressed me by far and away the most of them all. I believe there IS a difference between them and most other manufacturers (and some that sell for much higher prices as well).
  • anson3491anson3491 Member Posts: 8
    1000 miles on my Civic. I'm in Northern Vermont with lots of snow and ice and when cleaning off the snow on the windshield noticed that the center-piece molding under the wipers had unsnapped. I snapped it back together and after more snow and ice it unsnapped again. I suspect warped plastic or water getting under the plastic and freezing and causing the piece to come apart. My 03 and 95 Civics have what seems to be a one piece molding that stays put despite temp fluctuations.

    Second is that the defroster does not defrost the wipers
    like on my other Civics. The wipers were designed so that they are too low to be defrosted with the windshield in cold weather snow and ice. I guess its part of the "nice looking car" price you pay.
  • warnerwarner Member Posts: 196
    I have not experienced the wiper problem that you have, but we're about to get another 7"-9" today so I'll likely have another chance to see. I wonder if winter blades would help? I bet they would. What seems to happen with regular blades is that the snow gets all jammed up inside the mechanism and causes the rubber part of the wiper blade to distort.

    Warner
  • jnuzzijnuzzi Member Posts: 39
    The molding on my LX Sedan also unsnapped. I had the dealer snap it back and then it unsnapped again. I then had the dealer replace the entire molding (3 pieces, i believe). All is fine now.
  • anson3491anson3491 Member Posts: 8
    On these 06's the blades are solid like winter "snow" blades so no issues with ice jamming. But I think it's a design snafu that they overlooked or compromised on as far as the defrost issue. Thanks for your response! :)
  • anson3491anson3491 Member Posts: 8
    I will mention this to my dealer. Mine has 3 pieces as did yours. Thanks for the response.
  • warnerwarner Member Posts: 196
    I'll have to watch for this on mine....thanks for the tip.

    Warner
  • crissmancrissman Member Posts: 145
    That's the word I'm using to describe to folks how my new Civic EX drives. It sure is a far cry from the '73 Hondamatic I once owned. So is the price. I paid $2150 new for that one. So far the '06 is flawless. I've gone about 800 mi. and averaged 30 and 31 mpg. on two tanks of mixed driving. Was hoping for 35 to start, but might get there after breakin. Seems like when going from D to R or R to D it takes a half a tick longer than other trannies to shift. Not a problem, just readjustment by not hitting the gas immediately. I've also noticed a slight growl/vibration around 1500 RPM, but it, too, is not bothersome. So far, after three weeks, I couldn't be happier.
  • sheldo1sheldo1 Member Posts: 64
    I also noticed a growl/vibration at 1500 RPM. I took it back to the dealer and they confirmed the noise. They checked everything and couldn't find the cause. When they called Honda, they were told that the noise is under investigation and they gave me a case number. They said 6 other people have complained about it. Not a real bad noise but in my opinion it shouldn't be on a new car.
  • mcapmcap Member Posts: 49
    I too heard the same growl for the first time today. Right at about 1,500 RPM. Keep me posted on what happens.
  • allfiredupallfiredup Member Posts: 736
    Funny you mention the Hondamatic. I had a '79 Accord Sedan that had the 2-speed Hondamatic (semi-automatic for those who don't know). Gosh, that thing was sooooo slow! I tried to drive downhill as much as possible.
  • navlovernavlover Member Posts: 27
    I'm so surprised that more people aren't super-excited about the Civic having a Nav option. I guess I'm partial because I get lost so easily. :-]

    I've only briefly been in an 05 Accord with Nav, and don't yet have my Civic (taking delivery of my Hybrid w/Navi on 1/2/06) but reviewing the brochures for the 06 Civic and 06 Accord I did discover that the Accord screen is 7 inches and the Civic is 6.5. I assume that is measued diagonally, like a television. The screenshots in the brochures look identical. (Both systems now support voice recognition)

    I can't wait !
  • navlovernavlover Member Posts: 27
    I, for one, give Honda credit for putting an ergonomic angle on the hand-brake. That's the way I interpret it at least. Similar, in concept, to when Microsoft came out with the keyboard that angles outwards - it's just a more natural position.

    The natural pull for your arm, when pulling a brake handle, is SLIGHTLY away from you, don't you think. Thus the angle..

    Am I crazy?

    (I also think that handles on the gates (?) of pick-up trucks should be at a 90 degree angle, for a similar ergonomic reason)
  • targettuningtargettuning Member Posts: 1,371
    regarding this vibration/growl....at what gear is the transmission in when heard or doesn't it matter. If it is a "1500 RPM" thing rather than vehicle speed or gear selection it may be a heat shield on the exhaust system resonating at that specific rpm. I have heard a very slight growl on mine also but I think it may be at a higher RPM.. I will pay more attention to engine speed when I hear it. I too would like an official answer/fix... EX sedan, automatic.
  • backybacky Member Posts: 18,949
    In this small of an engine, could the vibration be caused simply by "lugging" the engine? Honda engines like high revs. Maybe they don't like living at 1500 rpms? I have a couple of small cars with 2.0L engines that have more torque than the Civic's engine, and 1500 rpms is about the minimum usable rpms even while cruising on level ground.
  • crissmancrissman Member Posts: 145
    I think you're probably right about the heat shield resonating. I can imagine it making the noise. I only have heard it while lugging along at low speed, in one of the higher gears (4 or 5). I don't hear it as it's passing through 1500 RPM, just when puttering along at that engine speed. The noise sounds very benign.
  • sheldo1sheldo1 Member Posts: 64
    The noise I am getting is in high gear and I guess you could say there is lugging going on. However since this is an automatic, I don't get to control the gear I am in. Personally, I don't think the noise is acceptable no matter what the cause and I don't think I should have to force a downshift in order to avoid it. No other car I have owned had this problem. Even my kid's Neon doesn't make this type of noise! I will be surprised (and disapointed) if Honda doesn't find a solution.
  • warnerwarner Member Posts: 196
    I also own a 2006 Civic EX with auto. I have not noticed this "growling" sound on mine. I'll check again today with the radio off....

    Warner
  • anson3491anson3491 Member Posts: 8
    Any word yet on when a tow hitch will be available? I'm also waiting for Thule to release adapters for a roof rack....'06 Civic EX Sedan Automatic

    I also hear the growl but it's at around 2k on the Tach. I kinda like it.........makes the car sound like it's ready to jump into action! :shades:

    First ski trip in a snowstorm will be possible tomorrow (sans Thule, unfortunately). I live in Northern Vermont and it's going to snow heavy. So I'll get a chance to check out further the Gislaved Nordfrost 3's. So far they are ROCK solid on this car, on snow and ice. :)
  • crissmancrissman Member Posts: 145
    Mine is also an automatic. I was just guessing which gear it was probably in. Just was out joyriding (not tired of it yet) and heard a little burp at about 1400. It's got to just be a vibration induced by lugging the engine. I kind of like it, too, but I'm only getting a brief brrrp maybe once a day. Too much would certainly be a bad thing.
  • nastyoldmannastyoldman Member Posts: 1
    I've had my 06 Civic two months and I have the same noise. There is no doubt the engine is lugging at 1500 RPM at times when cruising and on slight inclines and grades. The noise stops if you push on the gas...the trans downshifts. This new 5-speed automatic is supposed to eliminate gear hunting when driving up and down hills by downshifting and remaining in the lower gear until the roads levels off. It's like trying to drive a stick in high gear at too slow an engine speed. I traded my 03 2-door that got 44 MPG highway for this. I'll be calling the Honda Ivory tower on the west coast for this problem. Should have stuck to my gut feeling...never buy a new or revised model the first year out.
  • mcapmcap Member Posts: 49
    I agree. I heard the noise again today. Usually uphill and always at 1,500 rpm. It definitely sounds like the auto trans is in too high a gear. On an up note, transmission shift points seem to be a common first year problem. They had something similar with the Mazda3. Let me know what they decide.
  • cmunizcmuniz Member Posts: 604
    I haven't noticed it in mine, but haven't been looking for it, either. I'll listen closer to see if I have the same noise/vibration. A couple of thoughts, though. First, car computer systems "learn" the driving methoods of drivers so it may be still in the learning stage and will correct itself in time. Secondly, most transmission problems these days are electronic, not mechanical. If it is a first year design problem, no doubt re-programming the electronics will solve the problem and Honda will do it eventually. In that case dealers can make the adjustment easily. In other words, my guess is that the problem will be solved soon one way or the other.
  • warnerwarner Member Posts: 196
    Well, I think that I finally noticed the noise that you guys have been talking about. And if it's what I heard, it's DEFINITELY the engine lugging a bit around 1500 rpm's. If I pressed even slightly more on the gas pedal, the trans would downshift into 4th gear and the "growling" noise (if you could even call it that) goes away. I don't find this particularly troublesome or annoying, but maybe my trans isn't doing it to the same degree as others are. And like cmuniz said, maybe it's because of the learning process that the computer does, and it figured out that I drive a certain way....who knows. In either case, at least on my particular car, I never would have noticed what I listened for yesterday if it hadn't been brought up on here. To me it's a non-issue, but I will stay tuned here to see how it develops.

    Warner
  • dudleyrdudleyr Member Posts: 3,469
    I know how to solve the problem. Get the manual transmission. :)
  • navlovernavlover Member Posts: 27
    In regards to the PC Card Reader... How does that work? Do I buy, say a Compact Flash memory card, and then get a PC-Card adapter and stick the Compact Flash stick in there, then in to the car? I ask because I've never seen the PC-Card adapters. Who makes them?
  • claudius753claudius753 Member Posts: 138
    Many companies make PC Card adapters. Ones that accept Compact Flash cards can be had for pretty cheap, and other ones are available that accept several types of memory such as xD and sony-type memory sticks.

    PC Cards are primarily for laptops to expand capabilities. The honda accepts the readers in the same way.

    http://www.amazon.com/gp/search/ref=nb_ss_e/104-0119440-9701559?url=search-alias- - %3Delectronics-aps&field-keywords=PC+Card+Adapter&Go.x=0&Go.y=0&Go=Go

    Ones that read CF cards can be had for $8 from Amazon, maybe cheaper elsewhere.
  • nkhan1nkhan1 Member Posts: 8
    Civic LX Sedan Auto $18,300 OTD
    Accord LX Special Edition Sedan $21,000 OTD
    Accord LX V6 Sedan $23,000 OTD

    Thats the lowest price i got on these cars. For the civic paying Exactly around the MSPR price is not worth it. One of my friends bought a 2005 CivicSedan LX 15k OTD (in September) the price is gonna drop for 2006 and thus making atleast $3k downfall in the price just after couple of months. I do say for those who wish to stay under the 20g range should head for an nissan altima for a better package and deal. I considered Scion TC but less resale value (relatively) and less market awareness makes me run away from it.
    Any suggestion what should ne done? I want to stay under the 20g range. I HAVE to consider the price is WORTH the car or not? Let me know.
  • warnerwarner Member Posts: 196
    Civic LX Sedan Auto $18,300 OTD
    Accord LX Special Edition Sedan $21,000 OTD
    Accord LX V6 Sedan $23,000 OTD

    Thats the lowest price i got on these cars. For the civic paying Exactly around the MSPR price is not worth it. One of my friends bought a 2005 CivicSedan LX 15k OTD (in September) the price is gonna drop for 2006 and thus making atleast $3k downfall in the price just after couple of months. I do say for those who wish to stay under the 20g range should head for an nissan altima for a better package and deal. I considered Scion TC but less resale value (relatively) and less market awareness makes me run away from it.
    Any suggestion what should ne done? I want to stay under the 20g range. I HAVE to consider the price is WORTH the car or not? Let me know.


    I'm not sure where you live, but I just bought a 2006 EX auto for $800 under MSRP (and got the "protection package" which stickers at $365 for $140). The quote that I got on the LX was $500 under MSRP. I liked the new Civic's design (interior and exterior - the dashboard layout to me is PERFECT!) so much that I didn't even consider the Accord. Also keep in mind the gas mileage difference between the two. I don't think you can go wrong with either car, and certainly dealers are more willing to deal on the Accord than they are on the Civic so it's worth considering. If gas mileage is your top priority, then the choice is clear - go with the Civic. If you just want good gas mileage and a little more size, certainly the Accord is worth considering.

    Warner
  • backybacky Member Posts: 18,949
    You are comparing apples to oranges here: Civic LX vs. Accord V6. That leads me to believe you are looking for the most car for your money. Well, IMO it isn't the Civic or the Accord. If you really want an Altima, you can get a 2.5S for under $20k. You can also get a Fusion V6 for under $20k or a Sonata V6 for under $18k. But this is the Civic discussion, so let's focus on that. If you really want a Civic, you might be able to find a leftover '05 at a great price. Last time I checked my local dealer inventory a couple of weeks ago, there were still a few '05s around. Or you could get a low-miles Civic for a good price.
  • midnightcowboymidnightcowboy Member Posts: 1,978
    You have to remember the 2005 was the end of Civic model generation 7 which is the primary reason for the 3K drop. The new genration 8 will maybe see a 1k drop by year ned , but not 3k.

    Go Civic Si on order,

    MidCow
  • gib11gib11 Member Posts: 47
    Warner you ask "Any suggestion what should ne done? I want to stay under the 20g range. I HAVE to consider the price is WORTH the car or not? Let me know."
    I'd consider a Mazda3 2006 (2.3liter, 5 man (fun) or 5 auto (smooth) (first choice). Verry zoom zoom car!
    You can get an Elantra 2006 for less than 16k$. Pretty confortable car!
    Corolla. Mainly for reliability. With nothing on it (a/c...), its worth around 17k$
    The cobalt SS (200hp)is something of an american sports car (fast and furious). Nice ride...and bumpy! (20k$)
    I could go on and on. Lots of cars out there for less than 20k.$, and in some case a better buy than the new civic 2006.
  • navlovernavlover Member Posts: 27
    Does the reader support Type I, II, or III cards ?
  • warnerwarner Member Posts: 196
    Warner you ask "Any suggestion what should ne done? I want to stay under the 20g range. I HAVE to consider the price is WORTH the car or not? Let me know."
    I'd consider a Mazda3 2006 (2.3liter, 5 man (fun) or 5 auto (smooth) (first choice). Verry zoom zoom car!
    You can get an Elantra 2006 for less than 16k$. Pretty confortable car!
    Corolla. Mainly for reliability. With nothing on it (a/c...), its worth around 17k$
    The cobalt SS (200hp)is something of an american sports car (fast and furious). Nice ride...and bumpy! (20k$)
    I could go on and on. Lots of cars out there for less than 20k.$, and in some case a better buy than the new civic 2006.


    Actually gib11, it wasn't me (Warner) who asked. I already bought my car....an '06 Civic EX with auto.

    Warner
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