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Honda Odyssey vs. Toyota Sienna



  • I'm sorry about that please forgive me . I kind of lost it there. Let's move on and talk minivans.
  • chisfu1chisfu1 Posts: 25
    Sorry for any misunderstanding of my statement!


    It's just a general speaking... may only apply to 20% of the Honda owners and 10% of the Toyota owners... It is a relatively comparison... not an absolutely speaking, please don't feel bad if you're not an aggressive Honda drivers... that means you're the 80% of people driving Honda safely... Good luck and no accidents happen to you!


    I drove more than 500 different vehicles and owned more than 40 of them... I must admitted that Honda cars do retain a better resale value due to the demand and supply rule... so I suggested that if you don't keep your car for long ... buy a Honda and you will not lose too much money! Since the current trend of cars are getting sporty and more horse power... Honda will be a easiler selling car due to the current trend...


    If you see most cars which are remodified on the road... I believe more than 60% of them are Honda... as a matter of fact... based on what I have seen on the road... more than 90% are Honda or Acura (Accord, Civic, Integra, Legend...). When I see those cars, it is so obviously that they are aggressive drives with big modified tailpipe blowing smoke and making a lot of noise... It's just the reality... we cannot change that! Maybe Honda Odyssey is the only exception with the Honda badge on it! But I just don't like to have a car with the same brand with those drivers... just like people don't want to stay in a nice house in a rough neighborhood...


    Every studies show Toyota has a better long term reliabitity record than Honda... that's the truth and nobody can argue that...
  • isellhondasisellhondas Issaquah WashingtonPosts: 19,599
    Hard to tell how serious you are here but lots of people would argue that.


    Both great cars with no clear winner.
  • chisfu1chisfu1 Posts: 25
    Even the Japanese consumers admitted to me personally that Toyota is number one, Nissan is number two and Honda is number three... It is the truth, not an arguemnt... just like the USA is bigger than Japan and Canada is bigger than the USA in terms of the size of territories!


    Anyway, go back to which van is better for you... it all depends on which is more important for you like subjective issues as appearance, color, taste and style! Or objective issues such as price, size, reliabiltiy, resale value and how long you will keep it for! Balance those things out, and pick which is better for your own needs! That would be my advice to choose the right van for youself!


    If you are looking for handling and resale value, go with Honda...


    If you are looking for long term reliability, soft ride and comfort, and more discount, go with Toyota...
  • ewtewt Posts: 127
    "You forgot to mention that the Honda's navigation system is voice-activated and factory installed. The Toyota only offers after-market navigation systems. That was the selling point for me for the Honda"


    Funny, my Sienna came with a factory installed navigation system.
  • Hello All,

     We purchased a new '05 Odyssey after considerable research, etc. We have owned nothing but Toyotas (5) for twenty-five years -our trade was a 1991 Previa with 214,000k. It served us well and was generally a great vehicle. Our choice to buy a Honda was a well-considered risk for us.

    Our new Odyssey rides well and although generally a bit more noisy ( road noise) than the Sienna we drove, our perception was that the ride was tighter and more predictable than the Sienna. It had more included options, plus safety and comfort features than the Sienna for the same "decent" price- if anyone considers $29,000.00 plus a decent price for any car.

    Ok, I'll get to the point. We bought the Odyssey based upon our conclusion that the quality of the Honda van paralleled the Toyota. Now we have doubts. The Odyssey has been at the dealer for two weeks. After putting 500 miles on it in light driving, a problem developed with the driver's side door. At first, it would unlock but not open. Then it would open after the car was warmed up, but not latch upon being closed resulting in the door flying open as I turned onto the road in front of my house. Scary .

    The dealer's first fix was to lubricate the latch mechanism with dry lubricant. This sounded less than permanent to me but logical. Honda America indicated that they would do nothing unless the problem could be duplicated.

    The dealer could not duplicate the problem and was ready to send the car back to us when , luckily, I guess, ...the problem re-occurred. Coincidentally, the next day the service manager at the dealer received a fax from Honda America to check all the lock mechanisms of the remaining new Odysseys on their lot. Two other Odysseys on the lot and one they had sold had the problem. I immediately assumed that Honda America has discovered a systemic problem with Odyssey lock mechanisms. The driver who took me home from the dealer said the 04's had a problem with the sliding side doors. It is now two weeks later. The dealer is waiting for a fix from Honda "engineers." The problem seems to stem from water entering the mechansim and freezing a cable when temps drop. My concern is long term. I am not an engineer or a mechanic but I have enough hands-on experience with mechanical systems to know that repairs may or may not be effective, and if not designed-in from the get go, run the risk of failing due to not being part of the original design, untested materials failure, or improper or ineffective installation. OK, I understand that original parts run the same risk but I am wondering what these Honda "engineers' are doing. Are they fabricating a new part? Are they going to test it before they prescribe it? Is it going to come with a detailed installation procedure? And since the passenger door has the same locking mechanism, are they going retro fit that door as well? My greatest fear is that they will jury-rig something that will deteriorate and fail one mile after the warranty expires three years down the road. So, fellow Honda owners, although I own a Honda snowblower, lawn mower, and motorcycle, this is my first Honda auto, so please fill me in. Has anyone had a problem with their doors? Has anyone had a problem like this with a new Odyssey that Honda finally fixed?

    Any suggestions are appreciated. Meanwhile, it appears that this problem involves more than these three vehicles so tell your friends who may be considering one.

    Note: As of now I am less than thrilled with Honda America's response. They seem cool on the phone responding with stock replies when they have responded at all. One rep. actually asked me as a final question ( she was obviously reading it from a list ) : "What would you like Honda of America to do for you at this point?" .....Uh, hello? How about fixing my brand new van and returning it to me. And, oh yeah, extending the warranty to cover the fix past three years would be professional and go a long way towards keeping me as a customer. There seems to be little communication between Honda America's Customer Service division and the dealer. To be fair, the dealer has made an effort to keep us happy with a loaner car after a rough few minutes when I thought they were going to insist we take the van back after they couldn't duplicate the problem the first time. Nonetheless, we feel as if we are at the mercy of two separate entities now: Honda America and the dealer. We are already starting to see some tendency to pass the buck.

  • greg_ygreg_y Posts: 26
    This is incorrect. The Sienna is available with a factory installed navigation system.
  • mindylmindyl Posts: 3
    For those people in Southern California: avoid Toyota of Huntington Beach. They do not sell the Toyotas with the factory installed Navigation system. Instead they send you down the street to pick out your own from Bose, and then they install it. I thought it was shoddy, but maybe I will keep looking at the Toyota, based on the last posting of Honda's problems.


    Can anyone give me any feedback on the ease of use and relevancy of the Toyota navigation system?
  • isellhondasisellhondas Issaquah WashingtonPosts: 19,599
    Scare you away. That isn't typical and you'll find similar tales of woe from Toyota owners.


    Forums like these will always attract those with problems.


    I think I would stay away from an aftermarket navigation system although I'm sure some of them work fine.
  • twins2twins2 Posts: 16
    We have several friends with Honda Oddyseys (2002-04 models) and several with Sienna's. All are happy and have not had problems. My accord has 160K and has been very reliable. my parents' camry has 100k and is reliable. Bottom line: both are in general reliable. Its disappointing that Honda didn't step up to the plate when you had problems. Definitely write letters to Honda, the dealer and cc the Better Business Bureau. If you live in a state with a lemon law, the delaer may be obligated to take the car back...
  • We are not nearly that far along in the process. even though I don't have my new van and I am not sure when I will get it, I am willing to give the dealer and Honda of America more time to figure this out. After all, what choice do I have. Under our PA's lemon law, a car manufacturer/ dealer is afforded three opportunities to get it right and even then, I can't imagine it is an easy process to get them to swap out for a new vehicle.

    No, if you read my first post , as frustrating as it is to buy a brand new van and not have it, you will see that we are only three weeks into this and Honda of America is still trying to figure out exactly what the problem is so they can devise a fix. I suppose every time they don't get it right, and send a car back out there, they end up suffering in more ways than one. I'm still betting their reputation is worth something to them.

    At this point, I am really interested to hear from someone who has experience with Honda of America and/ or their dealer over a new vehicle issue, especially a new Odyssey . Thanks for your comments though, twins2
  • cccompsoncccompson Posts: 2,388
    I have purchased six Hondas new, only two of which had significant problems early on (or any other time for that matter).


    With my '86 Accord the problem was confined to a malfunctioning retracting headlight. This was a new design and they promptly replaced the defective part.


    My '99 Odyssey repeatedly had problems with its sliding doors. Honda fixed them again and again and, eventually, they worked properly. The transmission failed at 40,000 miles (just out of warranty) and they covered 100% of the repair cost. Their doing so ensured I would remain a customer and I have since bought 2 Pilots.


    All I can say is that in my experience, they strive to fix problems and stand behind their product.


    It sounds as though your door problem is weather- related and they are trying to come up with a permanent fix. For comparison, try to imagine a GM dealer dealer telling you that their engineers were working on a warranty issue - I can't.
  • petlpetl Posts: 610
    You stuck with Honda although 2 major problems occured with the Odyssey and "eventually" the sliding doors worked properly. That's what I call loyalty. Good for you. I might have been tempted to purchase (or at least consider) a vehicle from another manufacturer that has a reputation for producing reliable products.
  • cccompsoncccompson Posts: 2,388
    It all depends on one's perspective. I bought a 1994 Ford Club Wagon that, try as they might, various dealers never could get a vibration out of. Eventually it went back under Ohio's Lemon Law and Ford paid me every penny I spent for it (including finance interest).


    I buy cars based principally on two things - value and reliability. IMHO the value of Hondas cannot be matched. In some respects their reliability is superb. In others, well, at least they keep trying and that's more than I can say for many makes.


    Also, loyalty is a two way street and they do seem interested in satisfying their customers.
  • isellhondasisellhondas Issaquah WashingtonPosts: 19,599
    " Another manufacturer that has a reputation for producing reliable products"


    What would you have bought?


    Just curious...
  • The fact that Honda stands behind their products is even more impressive considering the fact that some people would continue to buy their products regardless. Also, if you are looking to find a more reliable automobile than a Honda you have severely limited your choices, to almost nothing. Depending on the data, you can go out and buy a Toyota and probably nothing else.


    Besides, considering the satisfaction that the customer received in this case....why wouldn't you trust that company for a future purpose?


    BTW, Honda already has a reputation for producing a reliable vehicle. That's a good statement to spark some responses though....
  • Thanks for your reaction and input. As I said, I am in a holding pattern. Honda of America called today and said "We are on top of this. The door problem presented itself in your region of the country as wet, cold weather came on, but since we have other vehicles in other cold climates that have not experienced any problems like this, we are not sure what is going on."

    I am picturing two Honda engineers in a parking lot in New Jersey with a hose, dousing an Odyssey and then waiting for it to freeze.

    Meanwhile, the loaner Pilot , while not as roomy as we need, is serving us well.

    By the way, for those of you who are looking for a quality alternative to Honda, I can go to bat for Toyota, despite the fact they have way too many option packages that add cost --as well as comfort. My Toyotas were friends to the end.
  • petlpetl Posts: 610
    The key word is "tempted". I might look towards Toyota. They also produce reliable vehicles. However, it would depend on how long I was inconvenienced by not having a vehicle while it was being serviced. The feeling I had once it had been repaired... did I feel confident driving the vehicle?... is it going to break down again? If it still felt good and comfortable then there would not be a reason for me to look around. However, while encountering the problems I might have been "tempted" to look at other manufacturers (specifically Toyota) just in case. But that's me.
  • take out the price and just compare the Odyssey Touring vs. the Sienna Limited fwd and which is the best all around. I will keep for five years then sell. Will put only 80k of miles on it in that time frame. any suggestions?
  • chisfu1chisfu1 Posts: 25
    As what is proved and mentioned over thousands of times, first year model tended to have more bugs in it... 1986 Accord (first-year model), 1999 Ody (first year model) as well as 2005 Ody too! So I will not be surprised you have more problems in the next few years as time will prove it...


    If you want to buy Ody, wait a few months and get the 2006 Model year, if you want to buy now... get the 2005 Sienna... plus the discount should be more on the Sienna (2500-3500 off from MSRP), or the discount will be more for the 2006 Ody as the demand cools off a little bit (from 1500-2500 off from MSRP)!
  • dulnevdulnev Posts: 652
    "take out the price and just compare the Odyssey Touring vs. the Sienna Limited fwd and which is the best all around. I will keep for five years then sell. Will put only 80k of miles on it in that time frame. any suggestions?"


    Just one: do extensive research, drive the two vehicles on long test drives and make up YOUR OWN mind. Nobody but you knows what features are important to you; there is absolutelly no OBJECTIVE way to decide that one of these two vehicles is better than the other.
  • isellhondasisellhondas Issaquah WashingtonPosts: 19,599
    Both great cars. Just pick the one you like the best!
  • After more than 3 months of research and multiple test drives in both cars, Sienna was the winner for me. Sure the Odyssey has some advantages but you have to test drive both cars before making a decision. The Sienna was the winner for me (my personal opinion) because it is quieter, rides better, looks better (outside and inside), offers more useful accessories. The Odyssey had good points as well, e.g, 8 seats in more upscale models, more powerfull, larger DVD. What have not worked for me in the Odyssey (my personal opinion): uncomfortable drive's seat, outside looks, expensive Touring model (to compete with a fully loaded Sienna XLE). Both are great cars and there is no way to go wrong with them.
  • rorrrorr Posts: 3,630
    "Both are great cars and there is no way to go wrong with them."


    amen to that.


    We looked at both extensively ourselves. Personally, I liked the Sienna better overall for many of the reasons you list but, for the options we wanted on the Sienna (XLE w/package #6), I found I could get the Odyssey EX-L for about a $3k savings. For our wants and desires, the Sienna wasn't $3k better. Perhaps Toyota dealers in your area are more willing to deal (or don't have all the crap that Gulfstates Toyota puts on their cars). We wanted the Sienna but just could NOT justify that kind of price delta.


    And for me and my wife, seat comfort in our Odyssey hasn't been an issue. She loves it.
  • I have been offered by my local dealerships to buy the Odyssey EX for $25,500, and have also been offered to buy the Sienna LE with Option Package #5 for $25,800. These are both basically at invoice prices. They are almost identical vehicles in every way. Which one of these is the better deal? Any suggestions on which one I should buy? I am undecided at this point.


  • dulnevdulnev Posts: 652
    "expensive Touring model (to compete with a fully loaded Sienna XLE"


    Actually, that's factually incorrect. MSRP to MSRP or Invoice to Invoice Odyssey is cheaper than Sienna when comparably equiped.



    Odyssey Touring: $35,010

    Sienna XLE Ltd: $35,860



    Odyssey Touring: $31,143

    Sienna XLE Ltd: $31,972


    Both can be purchased for couple % over invoice.
  • "Actually, that's factually incorrect. MSRP to MSRP or Invoice to Invoice Odyssey is cheaper than Sienna when comparably equiped."


    Agreed. I started out looking at 2005 Sienna and 2005 Ody, and expected I could get a better deal on Sienna since it was an older design vs. the brand new Ody. Wrong. The Toyota dealers around Denver were at least $2K higher for comparable models, and sometimes $3K or more. And they would not deal.
  • thumperthumper Posts: 75
    Sadly I encountered that too on the West Coast. Such wasted opportunity.
  • As of this morning, Consumer Reports is listing the new Odyssey as their best pick minivan on their website, with the Honda edging out the Toyota Sienna by the slightest of margins. Reviews will appear in the March issue that I suspect should appear in mail boxes over the next week.
  • heywood1heywood1 Posts: 850
    I would expect the ratings to be close, one way or the other. But from an auto enthusiast's standpoint, CR reviews (of any vehicle) are painful to read. They're written by people who consider cars to be mere appliances, and for readers who by-and-large feel the same way (IMO). I trust AutoWeek, Car & Driver, and Automobile the most. MotorTrend is questionable (after all, the Renault Alliance was their 'Car of the Year' back in the '80's).
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