Project Cars--You Get to Vote on "Hold 'em or Fold 'em"

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  • explorerx4explorerx4 Member Posts: 21,008
    460 is correct. i remember my a friend of mine putting in the engine form a 69 Mark III in his bronco. it replaced the 429, which was too small. sure made towing his boat easy.
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  • gussguss Member Posts: 1,167
    Cut the roof off ? I don't think you would need to cut it with all the rust this has. Maybe just peel it like a banana.

    A good wind will reduce the Datsun to a pile of cheap vinyl and 4 tires.
  • texasestexases Member Posts: 11,174
    I guess the 'special addition' to the Aspen is that it "HAS FACTORY PUNCH OUT OPTION ON THE WHEEL-WELL PANEL FOR V/8 HEMI"

    Yep, see them Hemi Aspens at all the big car shows :confuse:
  • lokkilokki Member Posts: 1,200
    I AM kind of amazed about that Caravan with the manual transmission. I wonder why they even bothered to produce one. What percentage of Caravan's would have been ordered with a manual? Like about zero, I suspect.

    The "special addition" has nothing to do the the Hemi punchouts in the wheelwells. It's the way he did the math to make him think that Aspen is worth $1500.
  • lokkilokki Member Posts: 1,200
    I see your unusual powertrain and raise you an unusual body! :shades:

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  • andre1969andre1969 Member Posts: 26,113
    When I first started working for NASA, I worked with a guy who had a Mopar minivan with the 4-cy/stick shift. It was one of the earlier ones that still had the old rectangular headlights. I think it was an '84.

    That '80 Volare is kind of an odd thing. SE model, and T-tops, so initially it sounds pretty nice, although I'm not too crazy about their attempt at forcing opera windows onto a style designed for large triangular windows (the late 70's Nova et al was also guilty of options like this). But then the slant six and 3-speed manual just kills it, IMO. I guess the stick might make it more fun, but how much fun can you have with 85 hp in a ~3200 lb car? Plus, it's a slant six...they don't like to rev.

    I'd also love to see someone try and squeeze a Hemi, or any big-block in the engine bay of this thing. Oh, I'm sure it can be done, and has been done, but these things have a very tight engine bay. One thing I noticed, when I had my '89 Gran Fury, was that the 318 was wedged so close to the firewall that they had to actually build a little indentation to accommodate the distributor. The engine bay is tighter than my Dart.

    Supposedly, you can't even easily put a true dual exhaust in an Aspen/Volare, or anything derived from it, without moving the gas tank over. And even then I'm not sure how they do it. The gas tank sits right up against the left subframe rail, and on the right there's just enough room for a single exhaust to pass. So I dunno how, exactly they do it...unless they route one of the pipes UNDER the gas tank?

    That Fairmont seems like an honest, workhorse car and I was thinking the price wasn't too horrible. Until it hit me...$1000 is more than I've paid for any R-body Mopar. Not that they're necessarily any more desireable. :blush:

    I like that Ford F350 truck, too. Has a nice, rugged, aggressive look to it. With the inset round headlights and the shape of the grille, when I was a kid these reminded me a bit of the Mammoth Car from Speed Racer. although in retrospect, maybe that's a bit of a stretch.
  • fintailfintail Member Posts: 58,737
    If I had some property to care for, I would definitely own some old truck like that. So much more honest than the leather and plood modern versions.
  • fintailfintail Member Posts: 58,737
    Take it to a woody show

    Those seats don't look very capable, somehow
  • qbrozenqbrozen Member Posts: 33,804

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  • boomchekboomchek Member Posts: 5,516
    That Volvo is indeed in nice shape.
    I wonder how much he wants for it.

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  • explorerx4explorerx4 Member Posts: 21,008
    i've been trying to figure out where the pictures were taken.
    it's not villanova u and not temple u.
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  • Mr_ShiftrightMr_Shiftright Member Posts: 64,481
    I wonder how much money it cost to get 74,000 miles out of that thing?
  • qbrozenqbrozen Member Posts: 33,804
    Well, there's not reserve. :)

    I bet the volvo crazies (wait... am I one of those? hhmmm... nah.) come out of the woodwork and really bid it up. I'm guessing in the $3500-$4k range.

    I am quite smitten with it, though. I'm sure its no fun as is, but man is that pretty. And it is at least capable of some fun. :)

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  • fintailfintail Member Posts: 58,737
    Wow, that's crazy. I haven't seen one of those like that in years. Even out here all of the old 700 cars are pretty clapped out by now.

    I seem to remember that dorky pinstriping on them too, either that or some other car had an identical style. That really hit something in my memory when I saw it.
  • andre1969andre1969 Member Posts: 26,113
    had a 1989 Volvo 740 wagon, in dark metallic gray. I thought it was a good looking car, in its boxy sort of way. They ended up getting rid of it in 1998, replacing it with a Subaru Outback wagon. I think it made it to 100,000 miles, but it got to the point that it was breaking down regularly, and every time they had to take it to the dealer, it cost them around $1,000.

    I think the dealer was about 20 miles away, too. None of the local places would want to mess with it. Although oddly, the mechanic I use now, the one who's working on my '67 Catalina and is going to work on my DeSoto after that, is a Volvo specialist! Too bad I didn't know him back then, or I would've recommended him.
  • fintailfintail Member Posts: 58,737
    I wouldn't buy that lot for what they are worth in scrap. What a junkyard.
  • boomchekboomchek Member Posts: 5,516
    Nice listings. Somebody out there will buy one3 of these wrecks and try and tinker with them.

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  • Mr_ShiftrightMr_Shiftright Member Posts: 64,481
    Here, on the other hand, is a....

    GOOD BUY


    I bet you could flip this truck for $2K profit with a weekend's work.
  • fintailfintail Member Posts: 58,737
    I swear that 190E has been listed many times, I know I have seen it before. Rare indeed, can't be many in NA....but few will care.

    The 280SE looks decent, those cars are worth so little compared to how they look, worth even less than 6cyl fintails. I like a line in the ad too: "listen to the whispers and watch the heads turn as u drive by" :P

    I don't know who would waste the resources to restore a slow W123, but good luck recouping that money.

    The 6.3 is light years beyond redemption, the 928 is hopeless at any price, Supra guy has an attitude, and the Saab is cool. The SS seller says his price is "generous"....the generosity being the buyer giving to much to the seller. A friend of mine bought a 60K mile 85 SS for $6K maybe 7 or 8 years ago. I don't think they have appreciated.

    Flood cars...parts cars.
  • fintailfintail Member Posts: 58,737
    Did a junkyard there have to relocate and it donated its stock to locals? That last ad is a real dog pound. Old Dodge pickup does look nice.
  • andre1969andre1969 Member Posts: 26,113
    That' 88 Monte Carlo SS looks nice, from the pics at least. I'd have trouble paying that much for it though. In my mind, these things are still just used cars, so I can't get past the idea of one being worth any more than $4-5K or so unless it's absolutely perfect.

    I think it's getting harder and harder to find unmolested examples of these, though. People like to pull out the 180 hp 305 and put in a 350 or big-block. Plus, swap out the wheels, throw on some wild paintjobs and/or some extra ribs & wings, etc.

    I know that '79 Magnum's a piece of junk, but it calls out to me, for some reason! I've always liked the Magnum. Most personal luxury coupes by that time were trying to look prestigious, but the Magnum was actually trying to look tough and muscular...Shifty will get on me if I call it a musclecar, but I think it's certainly trying to look the part. You could still get a pretty strong 400 in them in '78, and the 195 hp 360-4bbl in 1979, so they could still be pretty spirited. Chrysler had the 440 still around in 1978, but by then I think it was limited to trucks and police cars.

    Seems like the Magnum is one of those cars I never see for sale anymore, unless it's pretty crapped-out. I see 'em all the time at car shows, either totally preserved or totally restored, but it seems like the middle ground, a decent driver that's not too embarrassing to look at, has pretty much vaporized.
  • boomchekboomchek Member Posts: 5,516
    I saw some folks asking as muchg as $25k for their SS Montes. I too find anything over $5k hard to swallow.

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  • Mr_ShiftrightMr_Shiftright Member Posts: 64,481
    Asking Prices: "the joyous expression of your First Amendment Rights"
  • lokkilokki Member Posts: 1,200
    My Dad owned a series of those SAAB 96's between 1960 to 1968. He and my mom drove a matched set of white ones. (Yes, he was a bit eccentric - why do you ask?).

    In their own peculiar way, they were great cars. Very safe. Got rear-ended by a Buick one time and drove it home on 3 wheels. Pretty fast on a twisty road, once you got them wound up. Pretty aerodynamic. Comfortable enough for two and two small kids in the back (my sister and I). Best car ever in the snow if you had studded tires on them, which is why we owned them (Think living in the countryside around Buffalo New York).

    We had one with the Monte Carlo Package - 3 carbs - one for each cylinder! That was a fun car.

    If you're not doing any thing exciting, here's a few minutes of old SAABs in their rally glory days.

    http://www.saabhistory.com/2007/03/06/saab-96-rally-footage-rac-safari-monte-car- - - lo/

    Having said all that, getting a 68 Plymouth Valiant with the 225 Slant 6 and an automatic was a big step up! American Luxury, Man!

    And 8K for one today? Uhm, not from ME, thank you.

    And the 28 Hudson? You might as well restore one of those from an old magazine ad about one. You'd get as many parts and more information
  • Mr_ShiftrightMr_Shiftright Member Posts: 64,481
    If you need engine parts for a Saab 2-stroke, you are really screwed, especially for a crankshaft. It will cost you a LOT of money to have one made for you (roller bearing cranks).
  • lokkilokki Member Posts: 1,200
    54 Chevy Convertible
    The first line of the ad reads a lot better than the second one.
    http://dallas.craigslist.org/dal/cto/931675257.html

    Beautifully Restored Antique 1925 Ford TT One Ton Pickup Truck
    I didn't know they did camper shells in 1925. Oh, and be sure to look at the rest of his 'treasures'
    http://dallas.craigslist.org/dal/cto/894352700.html

    Dreamer
    Lot's of pictures at the web site, but I don't think the owner looked at them.
    http://dallas.craigslist.org/dal/cto/933286878.html

    Realist
    It's getting cold out there, baby.
    http://dallas.craigslist.org/dal/cto/933267818.html

    Another realist
    And it's getting dark too...
    http://dallas.craigslist.org/dal/ctd/933477732.html

    Will he get this kind of money?
    Or, and I liked this line -
    so I did it the way I thought it would have been if it were customized by a surfer
    http://dallas.craigslist.org/dal/cto/925423380.html

    Dear God, let it die, please. The darkest years of American Muscle Cars.
    http://dallas.craigslist.org/dal/ctd/910925802.html

    Studebaker A? http://dallas.craigslist.org/dal/ctd/903796786.html
    or
    Studebaker B? http://dallas.craigslist.org/dal/cto/928046672.html
    or
    C. A reasonably Studebaker substitute? http://dallas.craigslist.org/dal/cto/922795278.html
  • explorerx4explorerx4 Member Posts: 21,008
    It's Thanksgiving. Take your pick of the turkeys. :)
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  • fintailfintail Member Posts: 58,737
    Model T with a camper shell...would it have been so hard to make a wooden version that at least looks period correct?

    VW looks nice in its own way, but overpriced by a good margin.

    Studes...I'll take none of the three.
  • boomchekboomchek Member Posts: 5,516
    "Needs a cadillac converter" That would make it a cadillac not a camry, wouldn't it?

    not running..but it's a great engineerted car... lots of life left in it... If it's so great it would be running wouldn't it? :P

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  • srs_49srs_49 Member Posts: 1,394
    Maybe Princeton???
  • explorerx4explorerx4 Member Posts: 21,008
    i just checked out their campus map, but didn't see anything close.

    ">same miles older and needs help
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  • Mr_ShiftrightMr_Shiftright Member Posts: 64,481
    54 Chevy -- he chopped the top off his grandpa's Chevy 2-door hardtop? Off with his head!!!

    69 Judge -- all the "little" details are missing here, like a) does it have the correct engine? Is it a 4-speed or an automatic? Do we have a VIN plate? Do we have a built sheet? The answers to those questions are worth about $50,000 extra.

    Mustang Boss "Tribute" -- "tribute" is the latest buzzword for "fake".

    '67 VW Bus -- I don't think he'll get that money because the vehicle was not correctly restored. VW bus wingnuts will in fact fork over big bucks for these early multi-window vans, but they are FUSSY. I'm thinkin' he'd be lucky to get half that, given what he's done.

    Studebakers -- I'd take the "real" Avanti over the other two. Early 50s Studebakers are curiosities but they make better rods than cars, and yet another plastic fak-o Dawn of the Dead Avanti?....please, let this car die. So yeah the real thing is the way to go. That's where smart money is, even though your "real" Avanti isn't exactly going to catch fire after the recession. Now if it were a supercharged car, or one raced by Granatelli, well then....
  • jlflemmonsjlflemmons Member Posts: 2,242
    '67 VW Bus: "The bus drives great "

    not even the day it came off the line. Only vehicle I have ever driven that scared me to death when operated normally. Try, just TRY to drive one of these beasts in a 30MPH cross wind! :surprise:
  • lokkilokki Member Posts: 1,200
    I kind of like that $20k Mustang. It's a fun car for the price of a nice Civic. All the work has already been done in restoring it. Since it's NOT collectible, you can drive it to the Mall and not sweat about putting miles on it or collecting the inevitable door-ding. Hold it for a few years, and then sell it for what you paid for it. From that perspective, I think it's a pretty good buy, yes? No? Can you get a car loan for something like this these days, or are the banks going to laugh at a loan for a clone?

    As for the VW Van - yeah, I actually drove one a few times back in the day. It was a good reminder for me that German Engineers aren't always so darn smart.

    And the Judge - I suspect the answer is "NO" to all your questions, or this guy wouldn't own it.
  • boomchekboomchek Member Posts: 5,516
    I'm with you Lokki on the Mustang.

    Fun car, drive it daily, or occasionally drive the snot out of it without worrying about miles and what not. Show it off a few times, that sorta stuff.

    You'd probably have to get a personal loan or line of credit that's not attached to the car if you wanna finance it. For car loans, banks usually go by the book values, and the books (normal books) usually go back about 10 years. Otherwise the bank wou;d have to hire Shifty to appraise it ;)

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  • Mr_ShiftrightMr_Shiftright Member Posts: 64,481
    Yes I do on occasion appraise collectible cars for bank loans. I'm *very* careful about those types of appraisal, too, because the bank does not want to get stuck with a car they cannot sell at loan value or close to it. Most people who contact me about collectible car bank loans are putting a hefty down on the car, so that everyone, including me and the bank, are comfortable.

    Some cars/bikes under loan are just trouble from the get-go, and I won't touch 'em---like outrageous customs and Harleys. They tend to get abducted by aliens for some reason when the economy goes south.
  • boomchekboomchek Member Posts: 5,516
    That spolier is indeed retarded, and that's why he gets a lot of looks, and that's why it's the only one in the world, cause nobody else is going to put such a foolish spoiler on an AMG.

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  • Mr_ShiftrightMr_Shiftright Member Posts: 64,481
    AMG -- yeah sure it's really worth $28,000 but I'll let you have it for $12K. Sometimes people need to face up to the fact that so few of a certain car are produced because nobody wanted to buy them.

    67 Jaguar Blivet Sedan---Acme Auto Wrecking

    65 Merc Convertible might be worth it---is that rust I see in the rear quarters? Uh-oh.
  • xwesxxwesx Member Posts: 17,894
    Wow. That Fairlane is cherry. :blush:
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  • fintailfintail Member Posts: 58,737
    That poor Buick :sick: :lemon:
  • oregonboyoregonboy Member Posts: 1,650
    The painted-over-the-chrome bumpers on the Fairlane look funny to me. How well is paint goint to stick on chrome, I wonder?
  • Mr_ShiftrightMr_Shiftright Member Posts: 64,481
    Paint doesn't stick on chrome.
  • papasam1papasam1 Member Posts: 84
    When looking for a project car the price is only a small part of weather or not to buy the car. What I feel about the car is it's more important, is the car in your blood or just something to do. So for a 1000.00 is this your car, if so buy it even if it's 2000.00. FOR THE LOVE OF THEM
  • andre1969andre1969 Member Posts: 26,113
    When looking for a project car the price is only a small part of weather or not to buy the car. What I feel about the car is it's more important, is the car in your blood or just something to do. So for a 1000.00 is this your car, if so buy it even if it's 2000.00. FOR THE LOVE OF THEM

    I think it depends. For instance, with that '54 Plymouth Savoy that kicked off this topic, if somebody really had a fetish for those things, and was very handy and could do most of the work themselves, and intended to keep the thing for a long time rather than turn a profit, then maybe, just maybe, that car might be the car of their dreams.

    I have a feeling that most people who would want a '54 Plymouth though, are going to want the hardtop or convertible. Those are probably worth restoring. But something like a 2- or 4-door sedan, I have a feeling that if somebody really has the burning desire for one of those, they'll just pay the $5-6K or whatever for a nice, well-preserved one, rather than buy something that needs a total restoration, sink $20K or more into it, only to end up with something that's still only worth $5-6K.

    I agree, it's not only about the money, but you still have to keep some perspective. And no need to pay any more than what the thing is truly worth.
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