Project Cars--You Get to Vote on "Hold 'em or Fold 'em"

oldfarmer50

ab348 said:

oldfarmer50 said:

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Today is the last day for my convertible. A 72 degree day and then 50s and downward.

Last day today for this local convertible too. Story was that it was being driven to its winter storage when it all went wrong.

And a Chrysler Sebring at that. Well, mine is safely ensconced in the barn until next spring so unless we get struck by lightning I think I’m safe.

stickguy

better on the road than in the storage place.

andres3

ab348 said:

oldfarmer50 said:

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Today is the last day for my convertible. A 72 degree day and then 50s and downward.

Last day today for this local convertible too. Story was that it was being driven to its winter storage when it all went wrong.

50 degrees not a problem with that one.

andres3

stickguy said:

better on the road than in the storage place.

That reminds me of the dangers of EV's in regards to fires, burning longer, hotter, and tougher to put out (requires more water and fire fighting).

I work in construction management and it has come up a couple times recently:

1. For parking shade PV (solar panels) structures (outdoors), they are at times requiring expensive and labor-intensive fire-proof painting on "HCAI formerly OSHPD" projects. This is questionable massive expenditure for permitting as all you are saving is parked cars (assume humans would escape before the steel structure and PV panels are melted, destroyed, and fall on someone). Are the tiny chance of a parked car being damaged by the structure because the fire department takes too long to get there or put out the fire for an EV really worth spending more $$$?
   
2. For a parking garage structure, the question came up should we have our EV charging parking spaces all on the first level where we originally planned them, but a fire would mess "everything above" up! Or put them on the top level open to the sky so they don't damage other levels and vehicles above? Asked a high level Fire Dept . official and they said leave them on the ground floor, for the main reason that it's 5 to X many levels closer which makes the response faster to put the fire out. Fire trucks can't typically navigate a parking garage anyway; lower to the ground means easier and faster to put the fire out. All the electrical infrastructure would also cost more to put higher, especially since design was already complete, so was an easy decision to leave as-is.
   

xwesx

Agreed with both of those! If anything, just design the fire suppression with the plausible scenario of an EV fire in mind in the area of the chargers. I'm sure doing so for the entire garage would be astronomically expensive, at which point you are just getting into the realm of chasing that last bit of risk, which is never worth the cost involved.