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  • qbrozenqbrozen Member Posts: 33,736
    so no workable transmission, doesn't want to drag it, can't run for more than a few mins ... but wants to make top-speed runs. Huh. Ok, then.

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  • tjc78tjc78 Member Posts: 16,951
    Reminds me of this.



    I’m sure some of you can remember the movie.

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  • stickguystickguy Member Posts: 53,347
    not me!

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  • tjc78tjc78 Member Posts: 16,951
    @fintail will know it.

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  • omarmanomarman Member Posts: 2,702
    JJ! JJ! JJ!
    A time to embrace, and a time to refrain from embracing.
  • fintailfintail Member Posts: 58,415
    I had to think about it a bit, it has Marty McFly and George McFly. Haven't seen that one in eons, I am certain not in this century.

    Another from that movie, this is apparently a one year only trim variant:

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  • qbrozenqbrozen Member Posts: 33,736
    I’m good with movies, but y’all lost me this time

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  • omarmanomarman Member Posts: 2,702
    The cast was an interesting group of TV stars past and present (then).
    And here's the Thunderbird Heritage interior with optional "ultrasoft leather trim."
    image
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  • stickguystickguy Member Posts: 53,347
    lot of red.

    still don't have a clue what movie.

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  • fintailfintail Member Posts: 58,415
    "High School USA".

    The weird octopus-like "engine" in that Valiant (?) stuck in my mind.
  • bhill2bhill2 Member Posts: 2,597
    What the deuce was that engine supposed to be?

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  • qbrozenqbrozen Member Posts: 33,736
    Never heard of that movie

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  • ab348ab348 Member Posts: 20,284
    stickguy said:

    lot of red.

    Yet Ford couldn't color-key the steering wheel. I guess they could reason that it matched the console.

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  • tjc78tjc78 Member Posts: 16,951
    Great cheesy 80s film. Lots of cars.

    It was a bus engine

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  • fintailfintail Member Posts: 58,415
    Nice wheels on that Bird, too, I wonder if they were TRX. I wonder if the black wheel was seen as "modern" or similar.
  • tjc78tjc78 Member Posts: 16,951
    The “tripminder” was also available on the Panther cars until 1989.

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  • ab348ab348 Member Posts: 20,284
    fintail said:

    Nice wheels on that Bird, too, I wonder if they were TRX. I wonder if the black wheel was seen as "modern" or similar.

    I didn't know until recently that TRX wheels were an option on the awful 1980-82 T-Birds. Ford went all-in on those in that era.

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  • fintailfintail Member Posts: 58,415
    You have a problem with a unhappy looking car packing a completely neutered V8 and wheels where tires are both hard to find and expensive? :)
    ab348 said:



    I didn't know until recently that TRX wheels were an option on the awful 1980-82 T-Birds. Ford went all-in on those in that era.

  • fintailfintail Member Posts: 58,415
    edited June 2020
    Brief BaT browse:

    What just under $7K bought you for a new car in 1969, sold by my (at the time) local dealer

    Hot rod version

    Another fun window sticker

    paging @bhill2

    And another fun window sticker
  • stickguystickguy Member Posts: 53,347
    And now, for the original MSRP of that rolls, you can buy a 1984 Chevy pickup!

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  • bhill2bhill2 Member Posts: 2,597
    Ooh, thanks for posting that Fin. It's beautiful, but with a present bid of $14.3K plus the cost of shipping, I may have to keep looking; Gorgeous interior, though.

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  • sdasda Member Posts: 7,580
    Break in Service for $60. I wonder what that consisted of. Kind of expensive compared to some of the listed options.

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  • fintailfintail Member Posts: 58,415
    Interestingly, my fintail has the same option on its vehicle history code (and in the logbook, the first service was performed at the factory). I am not sure if my car was also a Euro delivery, but might have been - I have no documentation showing that, however, I suspect an owner could have just asked for it. And yeah, a little expensive for the time, must have been more than an oil change. Maybe something to research, just what exactly was the break in service.
    sda said:

    Break in Service for $60. I wonder what that consisted of. Kind of expensive compared to some of the listed options.

  • fintailfintail Member Posts: 58,415
    Oh come on,you know you want it. Perfect colors, amazing condition - as the kids were saying 10 years ago, YOLO ;)
    bhill2 said:

    Ooh, thanks for posting that Fin. It's beautiful, but with a present bid of $14.3K plus the cost of shipping, I may have to keep looking; Gorgeous interior, though.

  • tjc78tjc78 Member Posts: 16,951
    I love that one. Just fantastic colors.

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  • fintailfintail Member Posts: 58,415
    Cheaper to buy one like that than to renovate a neglected car. Only problem is that you can't drive it too much, as mileage and condition make the price. But for a Sunday cruiser and MBCA show car (people will appreciate it, 126s have a real following now), one could do worse. I sometimes think if I got another old car, a 126 would be a strong candidate.
  • fintailfintail Member Posts: 58,415
    Posted on another forum, I bet few of these survive like this - scary to think this is nearly 30 years old now.
  • stickguystickguy Member Posts: 53,347
    Nice looking for what it is.

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  • qbrozenqbrozen Member Posts: 33,736
    probably still needs a transmission. ;b

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  • fintailfintail Member Posts: 58,415
    65K miles is probably over life expectancy for one of those.

    Another BaT gem, this could get serious towards the end of the auction
  • stickguystickguy Member Posts: 53,347
    I like the color combo. Hate the car though. Every year at far show I sat in one, and found it cramped

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  • tjc78tjc78 Member Posts: 16,951
    edited June 2020
    I always liked the LH cars. Not sure I ever saw that color with the lower grey cladding.

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  • stickguystickguy Member Posts: 53,347
    I honestly have no words for this. Unique, that is for sure. and look at the cargo space. Who needs a Suburban?

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  • tjc78tjc78 Member Posts: 16,951
    edited June 2020
    fintail said:

    65K miles is probably over life expectancy for one of those.

    Another BaT gem, this could get serious towards the end of the auction

    I know they are a “thing”, but I don’t get it.

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  • andres3andres3 Member Posts: 13,934
    fintail said:

    65K miles is probably over life expectancy for one of those.

    Another BaT gem, this could get serious towards the end of the auction

    90's Chrysler's were the heyday of planned obsolescence engineering at mile 36,001, so yes, 65K way past life expectancy.

    65K is about the mileage my Neon was sold at, but it would have been much wiser to get rid of it around mile 50, 36,000 miles, 44,000 miles, and 59,000 miles. We were young and dumb.

    Those mileage correspond to the following respectively, first tow truck trip, AC compressor soon to go out, head gaskets soon to go out, and auto transmission soon to need a rebuild.
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  • fintailfintail Member Posts: 58,415
    I see that Europa G is an apparent flip from a Mecum auction not long ago. BaT is like the flipperverse now, often things even being flipped from BaT itself. A movement which has harmed the first time buyer real estate market is now in the car world, wonderful.

    Regarding the G, before they became bedazzled, it was kind of the same idea as a Land Rover Defender. Now it is split, you get those who want it for off road potential (even if like with most Defenders) and classic image, it is never ever used), and those who just want to be seen.

    Funny, I recall the T&C my dad bought in 97-98 (usually I am good with dates, but I was away at school, can't recall exactly) puked a transmission in its first 6 months, but after it was replaced, was relatively trouble-free. My brother had a 96 Neon, and he knew it wasn't long for this world even by the time it was 6-7 years old, he was happy when it was claimed by an old Sedan DeVille that ran a red light.
  • xwesxxwesx Member Posts: 17,685
    stickguy said:

    I honestly have no words for this. Unique, that is for sure. and look at the cargo space. Who needs a Suburban?

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    Neat looking wagon. Definitely has more eye appeal than a sedan of the time! This comment is classic, though.... I'm not sure he meant to say what he really said!

    https://youtu.be/ksrvDolO6Vw?t=315
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  • fintailfintail Member Posts: 58,415
    I'd prefer that wagon to be more stock, but I'm that way I guess.

    Related to that joke
    xwesx said:


    Neat looking wagon. Definitely has more eye appeal than a sedan of the time! This comment is classic, though.... I'm not sure he meant to say what he really said!

  • xwesxxwesx Member Posts: 17,685
    fintail said:

    I'd prefer that wagon to be more stock, but I'm that way I guess.

    Related to that joke


    xwesx said:


    Neat looking wagon. Definitely has more eye appeal than a sedan of the time! This comment is classic, though.... I'm not sure he meant to say what he really said!

    Yeah, I guess I don't mind revisions such as this for vehicles that are generally 'meh' from the factory. Cadillacs of that era are generally just bland gas guzzlers.
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  • fintailfintail Member Posts: 58,415
    I think wheels closer to the era of the car, along with more correct upholstery (Caddys could have nice interiors then) would work better.

    But I guess if you can get it cheap enough, you can undo some of the prior owner's questionable choices.
    xwesx said:



    Yeah, I guess I don't mind revisions such as this for vehicles that are generally 'meh' from the factory. Cadillacs of that era are generally just bland gas guzzlers.

  • andres3andres3 Member Posts: 13,934
    https://carsandbids.com/auctions/3gOJ5OWb/2004-audi-s4-avant

    All us wagon lovers missed out.
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  • stickguystickguy Member Posts: 53,347
    that is cool looking. but must be a maintenance nightmare. I assume the engine has to come out to change the oil, and all those fun V8 things?

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  • andres3andres3 Member Posts: 13,934
    stickguy said:

    that is cool looking. but must be a maintenance nightmare. I assume the engine has to come out to change the oil, and all those fun V8 things?

    LOL! The oil changes are not so bad, but changing any of the "belts" is. Still, pretty low miles, they don't usually grenade until after 100K when the timing belt breaks. Of course, age is known to destroy rubber belts as much as miles do.

    Still, for someone that wants a V8 manual transmission wagon, how many other choices do you really have?
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  • texasestexases Member Posts: 11,107
    At least you'll have that nice engine view. Some Audis avoided the engine covers for quite a while:

  • stickguystickguy Member Posts: 53,347
    so at a shop, $2,000 to replace the serpentine belt? More?

    I love small wagons. Even better with a manual. But have no particular need for a V8. a smaller engine with a good balance of performance and economy would be just fine. A BMW 325i RWD manual, perfect.

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  • fintailfintail Member Posts: 58,415
    S4 wagon is an admirable survivor as so many have been ruined by questionable mods and neglect, but the ownership experience scares me as much as the thought as an early 00s V12 MB.
  • xwesxxwesx Member Posts: 17,685
    andres3 said:

    https://carsandbids.com/auctions/3gOJ5OWb/2004-audi-s4-avant

    All us wagon lovers missed out.

    I see an Audi of that era, and I just cringe. I mean, it looks good, but actually owning one? I am not brave enough. :(
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  • qbrozenqbrozen Member Posts: 33,736
    Even I am not brave enough. Nothing with regular maintenance that starts with “step 1, remove engine” would be tempting enough for me, save maybe a ferrari.

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  • xwesxxwesx Member Posts: 17,685
    qbrozen said:

    Even I am not brave enough. Nothing with regular maintenance that starts with “step 1, remove engine” would be tempting enough for me, save maybe a ferrari.

    Thanks, Q; I feel entirely vindicated! :)
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  • andres3andres3 Member Posts: 13,934
    qbrozen said:

    Even I am not brave enough. Nothing with regular maintenance that starts with “step 1, remove engine” would be tempting enough for me, save maybe a ferrari.

    Think of it as a hands-on learning experience?
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