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2009 Toyota Corolla



  • drfilldrfill Posts: 2,484
    For Civic in my area.

    Corolla currently offers $750-1000, but no rate.

    Very few economy cars sell without an incentive.

    There are reasons to buy either car, and they both are selling very well, so problems can't be that severe.

    Americans don't buy cars for handling. That is a niche market for economy cars. That's why Toyota ignores cutting-edge handling. ;)

  • eldainoeldaino Posts: 1,618
    true, but the civic has never NEEDED one. They move off lots pretty well if you ask me. I can't ever recall the corolla ever being like 'oh my god we NEED to get this car! its amazing!' whereas the civic got lots of that when it debuted.

    maybe the new generation will change that? me, i'm interested in the blade and how it will stack up.
  • drfilldrfill Posts: 2,484
    And this was without a rate. Civic also set a record the same month (May).

    I don't think either car has ever NEEDED an incentive. If ever a small car could go without, these two could. :)

  • eldainoeldaino Posts: 1,618
    ah, true, true.
  • backybacky Twin CitiesPosts: 18,906
    Maybe more accurate to say, "Americans who buy Toyotas don't buy cars for handling." ;)
  • eldainoeldaino Posts: 1,618
    true again.

    i did like the old corolla gt-s, but it was still no crx. the supra was amazing; you could turbo that thing way past the factory settings and the block would hold up! (i've seen stock supra blocks hold up even after making over 600hp to the wheels! :surprise: )

    alas for what toyota could have been...
  • drfilldrfill Posts: 2,484
    100-150k of the old CRX, with an updated interior/safety package.

    That would be easy as pie.

    Maybe this sub-$20k hybrid Honda is working on will be the Next CRX? Word on the street is the CRX is coming back. :shades:

  • mcmanusmcmanus Posts: 121
    Yes DrFill, the Honda car model is sporty, reliable, and economical vs the Corolla that is just reliable and economical. Ironically its Toyota that is supplying 1.8L turbo engines to Lotus that put out over 200 hp! Why not pass some of that down to the masses? :confuse:

    I could care less what the sales of each are, quality of available dealerships is vastly more important. Very weak dealer networks is what keeps me away from Mazda, Nissan, Hyundai, Kia, and all the domestics. :sick:

    I agree the torque is the key (and that Corolla's engine gets rough/noisy at high rpms). Just look at Rabbit TDI hp, torque, and 0-60 times. My oldest stepson just graduated from college and gave his 2001 5M, 120K mile Plymouth Neon to his 16 year old brother. I drove it about 130 miles today. Boy does that put all this Civic vs. Corolla back in perspective! The Neon is very crudely designed and built, with no low end torque from a 2.0L engine.

    I don't believe that Americans are totally insensitive to handling, good or bad. Its just not as high a priority here as in Europe or the Far East.
  • drfilldrfill Posts: 2,484
    But most of the Lotus Elise run on a lightly modified Toyota 1.8L with Dual VVTi-L, tuned to 190HP. This engine was previously fetured, in lesser tune, in the Matrix XRS, Corolla XRS, and Celica GT-S.

    So we've had our chances with a sports engine from Toyota, and the masses rejected them. It's a great engine, if you are gonna run 5000 RPM all day, and it lead to class leading economy and acceleration numbers in MT 2005 small car comparison. ;)

  • I think the new Corolla will look like the new Scion Xd
  • backybacky Twin CitiesPosts: 18,906
    LOL! Good joke!

    Um... you are joking, right?
  • cubssoxscubssoxs Posts: 139
    I have a feeling that the 2009 Toyota Corolla will look like a mini Camry. I also believe that the interior will look much similar to the 10th gen corolla that is in Japan right now. But who know it is just specultation.
  • jacksan1jacksan1 Posts: 504
    Yup, it must be in jest (I hope!).

    Remember the three certainties in life: Death, tax, and a boring design for the Corolla!
  • eldainoeldaino Posts: 1,618
    good question...i personally thought that it was going to be a sort of oddball car, like the prius, instead of a sporty one.

    i dunno about a new crx. its has to be legendary, because if it isn't people will eat honda up alive. you know how ridiculous people can get when expectations are not met.
  • drfilldrfill Posts: 2,484
    Small, lightweight design.

    Sub-$20k price

    Plenty of hatchback space to store batteries.

    CRX Brand equity. It even had a history of super-efficient engines, with the HF.

    Honda should still offer it with the Civic's engine, doh. It's a car that really shouldn't have left the lineup. The Fit has taken it's place. I'd rather have the CRX. :(

  • eldainoeldaino Posts: 1,618
    yeah, the specs on the fit are actually pretty darn close to the old dx and cx hatchbacks in a lot of ways, even power to weight ratios.

    i dunno, i didn't realize their hybrid was going to be a hatch?!

    i guess i just can't imagine the return of the crx in a hybrid guise...if they wanted fuel efficiency, they should re-release a crx hf like you mentioned...but also offer a regular version along with it.
  • if you analize the toyota design strategy you will find a pattern that follows this way.

    Lexus box modelo 2000 to 2005 tranfer the design to corolla 2003, then corolla 2003 tranfer the design to yaris o echo 2006.

    Now is the same.... Lexus and Camry tranfer the box to corolla 2008, and then in 2011 corolla tranfer the box to Echo.
    This design have some logic if you think about that Toyota is more conservative than Honda or Mazda designs.

    Tell me your point of view
  • mackabeemackabee Posts: 4,709
    I disagree with your logic. The "New" Corolla that everyone including myself think we are getting next year is actually being sold right now as an 2007 model in other countries. Watch this link and the videos next to it.

    The interior sure looks like the one on the pictures that have been circulating on the net lately.

    Here's another video, this of the Camry that's sold in two versions in other countries. Sure looks a LOT nicer that our version.
  • ever12ever12 Posts: 22 la

    This interesting that Toyota is considering an AWD V6 corolla. The fact that Toyota has been swapping know-how with Subaru, particularly Subaru's AWD know-how only furthers my suspicions:

    The second they announce it im putting my deposit down.
  • alpha01alpha01 Posts: 4,747
    Hmmn. I almost prefer the styling of that Camry to ours; It's more along the lines of the Lexus GS....

    Also, I can't fathom that Toyota would bring us a Corolla V6/AWD. The company uses waaaayyy too much starch in their collars to ever do anything like that. Here's to hoping I'm wrong, though!

    Its sure does seem, though, that Toyota's 2.5L and 3.0L GR engines are underutilized in the NA market, and I'd love for a V6 Corolla to force Lexus to use the 3.0 GR as the base engine in the IS...
  • dudleyrdudleyr Posts: 3,469
    A V-6 in the Corolla. I must have missed it when gas went down. I will have go fill up. ;)

    How about a 1.6 in the Corolla? Seems that is the direction we need to be going in.
  • eldainoeldaino Posts: 1,618

    come one you guys a v-6 corolla with awd? since when did toyota get jealous of the r32 or other rally-ish machines?

    whats next? a turbocharged v-8?

    puh lease.
  • eldainoeldaino Posts: 1,618
    Its sure does seem, though, that Toyota's 2.5L and 3.0L GR engines are underutilized in the NA market

    totally agree. the 2.5 would have been a great choice for the camry se, given its 'sporting' pretensions and midpack would have offered better (if only slightly) fuel economy than the v6 currently in the camry, but better performance than the 4 cyl. It could have been an exclusive engine or something.
  • alpha01alpha01 Posts: 4,747
    Well, I like the 3.5L in the Camry very much, and it does a great job of achieving commendable fuel economy given it's ability to move the car with major alacrity. If you mean have the "base" SE Camry utilize the 2.5L and having the 3.5L as an option, I'm all about that.... I'm sure there would be major manufacturing or logistical challenges to this, though, which would mean the cost not worth the potential (and unproven) gain.
  • mackabeemackabee Posts: 4,709
    It wouldn't surprise me at all if they bring that one in for the 4th year refresh of the Camry. Sure looks more luxurious than what we have. There's a short commercial on youtube about the pedestrian Yaris and if you really pay attention you see that Camry drive by. It's the pearl white and it is gorgeous. I can't remember the name of the commercial but go to youtube and search for Yaris commercials. :)
  • ever12ever12 Posts: 22

    come one you guys a v-6 corolla with awd? since when did toyota get jealous of the r32 or other rally-ish machines?

    whats next? a turbocharged v-8?

    puh lease."

    Check around the web. Type AWD V6 Corolla into any search engine. Whether it happens or not, who knows, but this rumor has been in circulation for a long time now
  • ever12ever12 Posts: 22

    From Wikipeida:

    "The Auris will be marketed to the U.S in late 2008 as a 2009 model, and will replace the outgoing Toyota Matrix, which will be discontinued after 2008. It will be called the Toyota Blade."
  • mackabeemackabee Posts: 4,709
    There is already a car by that name in Japan. Check it out at :) I do hope the Matrix goes away, it's been a dog as far as I'm concerned. :( Solara hasn't been doing that great either but I see it's coming back for 08.
  • alpha01alpha01 Posts: 4,747
    ....of ignorning certain model lines, inexplicably. For a good 6 years during the 90s, the Celica went igorned until the spiffy and successful MY '00 redesign, but that too was allowed to languish until cancellation. I see a similar thing happening with the Solara. Why in hell does it continue with the 3.3L when its produced alongside the Camry, which features the stellar 3.5L, for example? Other examples of bastardized Toyotas, IMHO, would be the Paseo, Previa, etc. IMO, there's no doubt the Solara will be quietly euthanized after this model run.

    Back to Corolla... I'm soooo crossing my fingers for a real Corolla hatch, as well as a Matrix replacement. We shall see.
  • mackabeemackabee Posts: 4,709
    Don't forget the Tercel which was a pretty darn good car until it started to compete with the Corolla. The same thing is happening with the Yaris. You can get a better deal on the current Corolla as opposed to the Yaris. We have Yari coming out of our ears right now.! They priced it too high and once you add the options everybody wants you're in Corolla territory. :(
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