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2009 Toyota Corolla



  • backybacky Twin CitiesPosts: 18,907
    If you have a car that you want to protect from dings, you need to not park in tight spaces.

    What a totally unrealistic statement. It's clear you never have to park in a parking ramp with narrow spaces, in limited supply. Lucky for you.

    Can you prove body side moldings are not useful? That is, they never protect a car against damage?

    I saw a current-gen Camry today with the optional side moldings. They looked fine. There is no stylistic reason why Toyota can't put side moldings on its cars such as the 2009 Corolla. It's all about cost, and maybe a little about weight.
  • kdhspyderkdhspyder Posts: 7,160
    VW Rabbit uses 6 speed automatic.
    Honda Civic uses 5 speed automatic.
    Nissan Sentra uses a CVT.
    Mazda3 uses 5 speed automatic.

    Hyundai uses a 4 speed automatic for it's Elantra and was loudly criticized for not being competitive.
    Subaru took a beating among the Subie fans for returning a 4 speed automatic and 5 speed manual in the new Impreza.

    This is a good subject for enthusiasts to banter back and forth about...but really now how many gears does a 1.8L engine need? For Middle America is there any HUGE benefit? I thnk not. Enthusiasts? OK but then they have Mazda, VW, Si, etc etc. For the bulk of the buying population it's overkill to put any of those in a 1.8L engine. It's a matter of diminishing returns.

    However, I'm very surprised to discover that Toyota extended the development time for the new Corolla and then introduced it with no significant improvements in the powertrains.
    Toyota typically raises the bar with every redesign.

    Actually there are two very significant differences. This dual VVT-i 1.8L is much, much nicer in front of you. The 2.4L is obvious but that is likely to change in 2-3 yrs. This redesign IMO is all about the interiors and the interest to go after another demographic.
  • moparbadmoparbad Posts: 3,868
    kdhspyder This is a good subject for enthusiasts to banter back and forth about...but really now how many gears does a 1.8L engine need? end

    A 1.8L engine performs better with a 5 speed automatic than a 4 speed automatic IMHO.
    Honda Civic DX (the base version of Civic) provides a choice of 5 speed automatic or 5 speed manual.

    If you choose to use need as a basis to defend the 4 speed automatic in the 2009 Corolla then I'd like an explanation as to why Toyota is not using a 3 speed automatic since the 2000 Corolla offered a 1.8L with a 3 speed automatic. If it was OK then, why not know?

    3 speed and 4 speed automatic's were fine in 2000, for the 2009 Corolla I expected a 5 speed automatic.

    quote Honda -5-speed automatic transmission offers more gear ratios for quick acceleration and enhanced fuel economy. You get more power, smoother upshifts and downshifts and quieter operation.-end
  • mackabeemackabee Posts: 4,709
    Do Hondas offer DOHC with Dual VVT-i?
  • mackabeemackabee Posts: 4,709
    I'll have to disagree with a couple of your predictions.
    1. vsc/trac will be optional and not standard
    2. EJ option w/Bluetooth is only what? $650 on Camry? why would it be twice as much on Corolla.?
    3. I still don't see the smart key as an option on our version of the Corolla.
    4. Nav will probably be around $1800.00 or so. Same design as the Scion's and quite nice to use also.
    5. Z1 pack looks like the Camry price. I believe it's lower for Corolla.

    Unless you have some info on pricing that I don't then we are spitting in the wind right now my friend. ;)
    5. Leather you're probably on the money.
    6. Destination seems a bit steep.
  • jaxs1jaxs1 Posts: 2,697
    I see cars every day with door dings above, below and past their moldings.
    You cannot rely on moldings at all. What works more reliably is not parking in tight spaces.
    If you cannot or will not do this, you will have to deal with door dings, moldings or not.
  • moparbadmoparbad Posts: 3,868
    You cannot rely on moldings at all. What works more reliably is not parking in tight spaces.

    The only possible way I could avoid not parking in tight spaces would be to never drive my car.

    I'd prefer to have bodyside moldings as standard equipement.

    I'm fully aware that the younger generation finds moldings to be out of fashion.

    Moldings provide more protection than no moldings.
  • mcmanusmcmanus Posts: 121
    2008 ratings for Corolla are down, dis-satisfaction is up. The industry moves on (quality, Hp, features, etc.) and Corolla stays dull and non-competative. Toyota quality reputation has been badly tarnished. What segment is Corolla supposed to be competing in anyway? Too expensive (MSRP versus features) to be a good economy alternative yet lacks performance features to stack up agains Civic or Mazda3.

    The redesign is already too little and too late. This apparent "freshening" of engine/body should have been introduced as a mid-term tweak years ago. And don't talk to me about sales figures. Henry Ford almost ran his company into the tank selling Model Ts way too long with that strategy. This is a car that only a Toyota fan (or someone that is only after mpg in a compact) might attract.

    A 2.4L Corolla took some Einsten way too long to come up with. Is that supposed to make it sporty? What Toyota recent retail heritage are we supposed to believe that would come from? Look at the TC or Solara and tell me this will make Corolla sporty (Not). IMO it fits closer to a granny racer description.

    Corolla has been neglected like an ugly step sister by a company that has been overly focused on sales figures and hybrids.

    I've been a Toyota fan (of the local dealership as much as the brand) and have owned three. A year ago I was interested in the new Corolla, but now I don't think I'd be satisfied with either the current one (if cheap enough) or the (mildly) new one. I was hoping for an economy version of the new BMW 1 series from Toyota.
  • mcmanusmcmanus Posts: 121
    Moldings are a classic example of marketing. It cost $5 to put them on a car, but they'll spend $50 per car to advertize them. If market research indicates that no one cares about them (and that the backlash is less than the advantages) they'll delete them.

    Then if you want them, the dealer can add them for $100. Its a win/win for the company.

    Narrow cars with tall seating (and therefore shorter doors) are the best defense against parking lot scrapes. Honestly cars shouldn't be designed to be so pretty in the first place. The engineer's solution would be to build them all simple with square sides and add a 2x4 bumper all around.
  • kdhspyderkdhspyder Posts: 7,160
    Yes it will be optional on some models like the base and possibly LE but they've already announced that it will be standard on the XRS and I'm certain on the top trim XLE.

    The EJ extra on the Camry is $1000, maybe $1100.

    There is no reason to believe that Canada will get SKS and not us.

    But that was the point of my post, to make a prediction 6 mos in advance of the launch. We'll see.
  • kdhspyderkdhspyder Posts: 7,160

    Your first paragraph is off the chart in error. Dissatusfaction? The 2nd most popular vehicle in NA is being bought in ridiculous numbers in it's 6th year because the public is dissatisfied with it? The vehicle is higher in price than when it debuted, is virtually unchanged and dated after 6 yrs and yet people are snapping them up in volume second only to the Camry? Who's doing the buying if the public is dissatisfied. OK they might be dissatisfied because the vehicle is dated.

    Demographic goal? They ( Toyota ) have hit this one squarely on the the screws. The buying public in NA for the economy segment is looking for 'normal' styling, reliability, economy and a very affordable price. 4 doors, 4 wheels and an engine that will turn on for 10+ yrs without costing an extra dime would be a good description of the vehicle for this segment. The buying populatio falls under a normal distribution bell curve and Toyota has identified what means most to the largest segment of buyers under this curve.

    Yes Mazda and Honda and Nissan have specialty vehicles that perform much better than any Corolla. But the volume in these vehicles is far too small to build a strategy around. The money to be made from these vehicles is of very little interest to a huge manufacturer. Volume, Volume, Volume is all that really counts.

    That being said, elsewhere someone pointed out that if a person really really wanted to 'show off' in his Corolla then the 2.4L + TRD accessories are the perfect way to do it. The 2.4l is a lot better for low end torque than any of the rest which don't hit their strides until near the redline. Add the right TRD accessories and this can be a pocket rocket to compete with any of the rest.

    But because Toyota has TRD it allows the main thrust of the production and marketing to be directed toward the general population that's looking for 4 wheels, 4 doors and and engine that costs nothing extra for 10 yrs.

    You are right that the Corolla even though it is the prime vehicle for Toyota worldwide is just a good soldier here in NADM. It has always protected the Camry's flank. The Camry is the star. But there is a very good likelyhood that this new Gen10 might pass the Camry and take over the spotlight itself.

    Look at the comparo I offered above. The new '09 is almost the same vehicle ( shorter ) that the Gen3 Camry was - except more powerful, more efficient, with more safety features, with more interior features and all at a lower price than that Camry. It will probably eat into some 'traditional' Camry sales. However an XLE Corolla with 6 airbags + VSC/TRAC, leather, JBL+BT, sunroof+alloys, SKS + Auto climate will only be slightly more than a standard LE Camry with no options. Then a Navi option can be added where it can't be added to an LE Camry. That's a good choice for the buying public. It helps to support the pricing of the Camry as well.

    'Well Ma'am, if you don't really want a $26,500 ( MSRP ) XLE Camry with all those options how about a Corolla with the same options for $3000 less?'
  • backybacky Twin CitiesPosts: 18,907
    Then if you want them, the dealer can add them for $100.

    LOL, that's a good one! Try more like $200-250. For example, what's the price of the optional side moldings on the Camry? That will give you some idea what they'll cost on the Corolla.

    I doubt market research had anything to do with Toyota dropping side moldings from the Corolla--and the Camry, RAV4, etc. before it. It's all about bucks. Toyota, and other automakers, have dropped features like side moldings and folding side mirrors and padded interior trim because they figure some people won't notice. But some (like me) find those features useful (modlings and folding mirrors anyway) and do notice.

    Another cut from the 2009 Corolla--no one seemed to notice that the not-too-bad-looking plood was dropped from the LE for 2009, and now you need to get the XLE to get plood.
  • moparbadmoparbad Posts: 3,868
    plood :confuse:
  • backybacky Twin CitiesPosts: 18,907
    Plastic wood.
  • cubssoxscubssoxs Posts: 139
    The gen 3 camry is (92-96) i thought
  • backybacky Twin CitiesPosts: 18,907
    And you are telling me this... why?
  • cubssoxscubssoxs Posts: 139
    i was not telling it to you i was telling it to khdspyder who was talking about it
  • Not even with Navigation model?? Toyota, you are kidding me right?
  • moparbadmoparbad Posts: 3,868
    No audio controls available? Are you sure?

    Even a Chevrolet Aveo offers steering wheel audio controls as an option.
  • kdhspyderkdhspyder Posts: 7,160
    Yes you're right since the first Gen was produced in Japan. I was thinking of the ones made here. Good catch.
  • Okay, I stand corrected. Found on

    MP3 jack and available leather-wrapped steering wheel with audio controls (XLE, S and XRS only)

    I am still disappointed by the fact that

    1) Not available on LE or standard
    2) Optional, not standard on XLE and above
    3) Still can't apprehend the option of a Nav model with no steering wheel audio control? (see pic in my previous post)
  • moparbadmoparbad Posts: 3,868
    I have to believe that Toyota will change the tweak the equipment levels to include standard steering wheel audio controls on all trims except the base.
  • It may be all new suspension parts, but with a unit body construction I have a hard time believing it is all all new floor plan or pick-up points. This is very evidently an evolutionary Corolla. Retuned suspension is a better bet. I'd be shocked if it had independent suspension, but I suppose we'll find out soon enough.
  • nippononlynippononly SF Bay AreaPosts: 12,726
    for the new Matrix lists an indy rear (Corolla already has an indy front) suspension for the XRS only. But I suspect that will go for the Corolla as well, since they are so closely related, and the XRS is meant to be more distinctly the sporty model now. I wonder if the 'S' will get the IRS as well...

    I think most side mouldings and certainly the nasty plood in the current Corolla LE is ugly and might pay a dealer a few bucks extra to rip it off/out. So if that makes me part of this "younger generation" that keeps getting referenced here, then I guess I'm younger than I thought.

    2014 Mini Cooper (stick shift of course), 2016 Camry hybrid, 2009 Outback Sport 5-spd (keeping the stick alive)

  • backybacky Twin CitiesPosts: 18,907
    Here's a direct quote from the Toyota press release (emphasis mine):

    But it offers an all-new body with a lean, stylish shape, and it delivers increased interior and luggage room, more power, more economical engines and an all-new chassis and suspension.

    But no mention in the lengthy press release as to whether it's an independent rear suspension. So that leads me to think that either Toyota was embarrassed to admit in the press release the the Corolla is finally getting an independent rear suspension for 2009, or it's not getting one.
  • kdhspyderkdhspyder Posts: 7,160
    The all new chassis refers to the fact that it's 3" wider than the previous one so the new one had to be redesigned and retested from scratch for things like crash test worthiness and fuel economy.

    Radically different not really but it is all new.
  • backybacky Twin CitiesPosts: 18,907
    OK, but it's not just an all-new chassis, but an all-new suspension too. Why would Toyota go to all the trouble of designing an all-new suspension that is same-old, same-old?

    Or is this just marketing-speak?
  • The all new but but still old in comparison to the 2 year old Civic has "advanced" semi independent TORSION BEAM rear suspension. Now that what Toyota call all new.
  • jaxs1jaxs1 Posts: 2,697
    That's a wild assumption. Maybe they will make it standard on XLE and XRS or standard with nav or mandatory bundle with nav down the road.
    Steering wheel controls are needed with bluetooth, so maybe the bluetooth only comes with the JBL stereo and not the nav stereo.
    Don't expect it standard on the LE.
  • backybacky Twin CitiesPosts: 18,907
    Not just Civic but just about every other car in its class has an independent rear suspension. I see the accountants still reign supreme at Toyota with the 2009 Corolla. ;)
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