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2006 Toyota RAV4



  • snagielsnagiel Posts: 750
    Well, if every dealer does it, I guess it's "legitimate" in the sense that it's common practice. But I agree that it's silly that they mention it as a separate line item. In reality, the invoice itself can be misleading, as it ignores potential subsidies (whatever they're called) the manufacturer may give certain regions or dealers based on sales success, so it's all an estimate.
  • After giving it some thought I'm thinking of going for the LTD. I think having the leather wrapped wheel with audio controls and the automatic climate controls outweigh having the darker interior, sport suspension, and 18" wheels. The steering wheel audio controls is something I had decided would be a nice plus on my next vehicle. And lately I've grown tired of fighting with my climate controls. Seems like it's always too hot or too cold and I'm always adjusting. I just wish the local dealers would have more to look at. I'm going to call all of them Sat morning just to verify what they have. I've also made contact with a salesman at Fitzgerald Auto Mall even though it's about 4 hours away. My closest dealer won't sell at anything less than MSRP. Might be worth the drive to save some $$.
  • wwestwwest Posts: 10,706
    Except when you want to slow down and/or stear on a slippery surface, at that point you're likely to wish for engine compression braking at the rear, not the front.
  • Why am I anxious? Because I am stuck in a position where I can't know one before I have to act on the other. It wouldn't matter one whit if the Highlander had its $1000 promotion running, say, in March. I feel like I have to make a decision without full information and that is frustrating to me.

    It's not that I blame toyota or am angry. Nor have I taken out any of these frustrations on any sales person to whom I've spoken. And there have been many in the past few weeks as I bring this car-buying endeavor to its final stage. I'm just frustrated that I there's an unknowable factor out there that would NOT be the case if the Rav4 I wanted was available in the same month as the promotion I wanted. Do I feel that I'm owed that? No. But I would like it.

    Rarely do things overlap just as they should, but it doesn't make it any less frustrating.

    I think if I want a clear answer I'll go ahead with the Highlander, but if I'm wiling to risk features and availablility of my ideal Rav4, then I wait until March and take my chances. It's not my ideal situation. Especially when I'm looking at shelling out more than $30,000. Cash. Right out of my checking account.

    Am I upset at Toyota? Or its salespeople? Nope. And, just so we're clear, I've never vented any of these frustrations on any salespeople who I know either have the information or they do not. I just would like more information and it is frustrating when I cannot get that information right when the decision is being made.

    I came here because I was hoping someone might have clear information on the features and upcoming availability of the precise model I'm looking at purchasing because nobody at the dealerships seems to know much about it yet. It seems as if everybody is somewhat in the dark until the day it comes out. So be it. Live and learn.

    Oh, and as for the person who wanted to know why anybody would want a third row in either a Rav or a HL, well, for someone like me (slender/medium height chick), it would be perfect. In the HL, I had at least two inches to spare in front of my knees. Most of my girlfriends would also fit nicely in the third row. Their husbands? Not so much. But I've never once had a car full of tall men. There's always at least two people who fit the specs to sit in the back. Goodness knows, if there are seven people going someplace, invariably I'm one of the two picked to fit in the back and by this point I've been in enough Pilots and Highlanders to know. The only car I've had trouble fitting into the "optional" row is in the Lexus SC430. That's just a joke.
  • Is it safe to say that they aren't going to make many flint mica colors for the base version. I got a good deal on a base 2wd 4cyl silver. The salesman told me he has an outlook of a month and a half and flint mica isn't going to be coming in. Perhaps, it'll only be for the sports version?
  • steverstever Posts: 52,572
    One thing you can do is figure out how much the car is worth to you and focus on your out the door price. That way you can just ignore the line items completely.

    Steve, Host
  • wheelz4wheelz4 Posts: 569
    Are you sure it isn't just the "lock mode" that disengages at speeds over 25?
  • flyingnflyingn Posts: 213
    not to mention the 8 way power seat with adjustable air bladder lumbar support only on the Limited too:)

  • flyingnflyingn Posts: 213
    that is correct. Flint mica is only available on the Sport version
  • jimd4jimd4 Posts: 877
    I have driven both the base and Sport AWD and both seem nice. One thing I noticed is that the AWD can be locked on at low speed but there is no switch to turn stability control on and off. I have a 2003 Audi with Quattro and when I first got it,I found it to be worse than my 2000 in "deep" snow, say 6" or more. We don't get much snow in this part of NY! Audi has a switch and warning light to turn ESC off. With it off the car is terrific at low speed in snow. My guess is the ESC is reducing power to slipping wheels and reducing overall slow speed traction/thrust.

    I suppose it is safer for the multitudes to not be able to switch stability control off and then forget it is off at higher speeds. But it would be handy to have that feature.
  • snagielsnagiel Posts: 750
    How is engine braking more helpful than ABS for decelerating from speed and steering? ABS provides essentially the same benefit--slowing down but not locking the wheels--without burdening the engine to get involved. And stability control complements the picture by ensuring the vehicle travels where you're pointing it (whether braking or not) by pulsating each brake as needed to steer the car. Engine braking is not nearly that capable.
  • snagielsnagiel Posts: 750
    In 6 inches of snow, I suspect the Audi's much lower ground clearance contributed to its limitations. Also, tires are extremely important with regard to traction; no matter how capable a 4/AWD system is, if the tires are not up to the task, then it doesn't matter how many wheels you're applying power to.

    I agree, though, that being able to switch of the stability control system would be helpful in low-speed crawls; it's too bad Toyota doesn't offer this.
  • flyingnflyingn Posts: 213
    don't forget what what and who the new Rav4 was built.. Your avarage person who needs a vehicle to be an all weather driver. Much like a Subaru.. Not an off road crawler..

  • Which would you choose the pricing is very similar with the HL incentives.
  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    There is no switch, but there is a trick to turn off ESP on the Lexus IS, for instance. It's intended for mechanics to use for testing, but the secret is out, I guess.

    Full-time systems are better for engine braking down a long incline, for instance, but the AWD should be adequate for average needs.

  • snagielsnagiel Posts: 750
    What trick? Removing the fuse?
  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    No, some procedure, hit this 6 times, then do that, then this again, really weird.

  • 01mdx01mdx Posts: 45
    I am not 100% sure on the RAV4 but on my MDX the AWD is available at the higher speeds when slip is detetected. It's just the lock that cannot be engaged at higher speeds. Again, I am not sure if the RAV4 system is the same but I suspect that it is.
  • edgoredgor Posts: 31
    My wife and I saw a flint mica and thought it was pretty ugly. It looked much better in the brochure than it did live.
  • jimd4jimd4 Posts: 877
    Nothing that I have ever driven beats Audi Quatto in bad weather or snow with all weather tires. The RAV4 is a bargin but it is not perfect. I doubt that anyone here has even had a chance to drive it in the snow.

    And I still wish the RAV VSC had an on-off switch.
  • ...sounds like a good price for an EX V. Much less than you will pay for the (MSRP+) new RAV. Plus the EX is AWD and you were looking at a 2WD RAV. Remember the V was regarded as the king of the hill by many until just recently when the new RAV came out. It liklely will lose the crown.... at least until the new V comes out in late spring or fall....then all bets are off. As far as buying the used V and needing a 'new' one 2 years from now; that seems rediculous unless you always 'want' a newer car. I mean either of these should give you years of use. If you want something new every three years, by an American one, save thousands and dump it every few years...or even lease one. I would not worry about domestic depreciation either because, while the Domestics carry a high MSRP and the used ones look to be about half that after a very short time; remember the domestics are GREATLY discounted...not many pay anywhere near the MSRP so I really do not think depreciation is as huge a factor as some make it to be. In fact here is how low depreciation is working against me. I have a 95 RAV w80K miles right now. Edmunds private sale value is about $5800. I have had many lookers but few can muster up the money...they want ME to finance...yea right! One guy even said he'd pay more at a dealer for a higher milaged one just to get financing. It seams folks looking for a 10 year old car are looking to spend $4K not $6K. So, depreciation does not always work in your favor if folks can not afford your car when its older!

    I think it more a matter of new vs used, good luck on your decision....can always get the V, keep it a few years until the new Rav kinks are worked out and get the new Rav when it gets its first face lift!
  • wwestwwest Posts: 10,706
    Your anti-lock braking system actually alleviates wheel lockup by "releasing", modulating the brake pad pressure, on the rotors using PWM (Pulse Width Modulation)techniques.

    With a substantial level of engine compression braking on the front (drive) wheels you can potentially reach a point on a slippery roadbed at lower speeds that the front wheels will lockup due to engine braking.

    Engine braking on a RWD in these conditions is not exactly a good thing to have happen but does not remove your ability to maintain directional control with ABS at the front.

    I suspect that's one of the reasons Toyota and Lexus transaxles seem to be upshifting during coastdown situations just before coming to a full stop.

    The AAA is currently advising owners to learn to quickly shift into neutral (absent a clutch) in these circumstances.
  • Definitely wanting a V6 Sport. Only wish there were more options available. Bundling "options" as standard on the Limited and not offering them as options for the Sport is stupid.
  • larneslarnes Posts: 59
    I've adjusted the rack in several different positions only to get a higher or lower whistle pitch. Maybe someone knows the optimal position to make it go away. The road and engine noise is loud enough, whistle noise just makes it worse. On the plus side the engine noise and road noise drowns out the whistle at 45 mph+.

    If you don't use the roof rack very much, try removing the crossbars. Anything that sticks out in the wind is going to have some affect on aerodynamics.

    It seems that road/wind noise is in the ear of the occupants. Some folks on this forum say the RAV4 with the 4-banger is quiet when others say it isn't. I guess we all have to make that judgement for ourselves. When I travel, I want QUIET! Constant cabin noise, regardless of it's cause can drain you over the course of a long trip. :sick:
  • larnes said:
    When I travel, I want QUIET! Constant cabin noise, regardless of it's cause can drain you over the course of a long trip.

    I usually just turn up the stereo! ;)
  • morey000morey000 Posts: 384
    Anybody taken their new Rav4 off road yet? If I buy one of these (waiting for the v6) I'll probably try to fit a set of slightly larger BF Goodrich All Terrain TA/KO tires on her.
  • jonpnjjonpnj Posts: 52
    100 % correct. Only thing that comes close is the system in the Subarus. Not knocking the RAV4, but its 4WD system is crude. In 95% of the situations, most people won't notice it. Audi is the standard by which most systems are judged. I still have high hopes for the RAVs success. I believe the v6 version loaded, will be an excellent buy. Nothing in that size segment comes close in power/performance for the asking price.
  • I'll find out next week when my Sport comes in. We should have some more snow by then also.
    I had the BF Goodrich All Terrain TA's on my Jeep years ago. Great tires!
  • era174era174 Posts: 67
    Only thing that comes close is the system in the Subarus.

    Yes, that's why I chose my Subaru Legacy and saved around $8k (Audi A4 Quattro).
  • flyingnflyingn Posts: 213
    crude? How so? With traction control, stability control, full time 4wd how 'crude' is that? I think your thinking of the past gen Rav. BIG difference..
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