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I got stuck with a Kia (because I stupidly co-signed for it)!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! The sister wouldn't take my advise and buy something else. After NUMEROUS problems she walked away from it !
Paid $ 10k new OTD....6 months later worth 6k as a trade! 6 months after that worth $2000 as a trade! Sat for 1 year trying to sell it myself. Later sold it for $1500 cash.........................
Then my dumb cousin buys a new sportage suv because it was a good deal (to him) and had a 10 yr warranty. (ha-ha powertrain only). Having lots of issues !!!! Now at 30k miles it needs some kind of rear suspension repair ($1000) that is not covered by ANY warranty...........
kia buyer beware !!!!!!!!!!!!! :lemon:
BTW: Whats funny is these folks wouldn't even consider buying a GM car (which we get the big employee discounts) because they think GM vehicles are junk ! :sick:
Doesn't Kia have a 5 year 60K mile bumper to bumper warranty? If so why doesn't that cover the rear suspension? Was it in an accident or did he do something to void the warranty?
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I'm aware that ordering info and build dates are available for 2007 GM vehicles now, but I would like any insight as to when the 2007 prices would be available. I am debating whether to pull the trigger on a 2006 Impala. It has the exact equipment/trim I prefer at a very good price. However, the exterior colors are not great in my opinion. The dull "sport red" color is the best of a stodgy bunch, but I'm aware that Chevy has a couple of brighter reds coming for 2007. I'm torn as to whether the potential price increase would be worth the difference in appearance. Thanks for any information in advance.
You're right - it does. If something was done to it that wasn't covered by the warranty, I wouldn't expect to be able to get much out of it - no matter who the manufacturer is.
Yep, you see these people all the time, young kids who modify their cars then whine when the manufacturer won't honor their warranty on s suspension that was hacked up.
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I have an Acura RSX and I read postings in the clubrsx DG. It appears that most of the owners are young people and they seem to do the silliest modifications to their cars.
Of course, I guess many of us old people think a lot of things young people do are silly. However, I see a lot of young people working very hard and overall I think they are a better generation then we were in the 60's, when all we knew was "if it feels good, do it".
pb.....can't comment on what (if any) color changes Chevy will offer in '07 that are different than the '06 models.
I suppose it's a role of the dice on whether you'd be able to duplicate the deal you have on the '06 when '07 Impalas role around.
At worst, you may have to wait a couple of months when the '07 Impalas hit the street. Maybe a few months after that to see what "deals" Chevy will offer on them.
BTW....I have a neighbor that bought an Impala when the new body style came out (as a 2nd car, no less). I think it was a couple of years ago. This is a guy that also has a Cayenne in his garage. He said, hands down, the Impala is a better built car than the Porsche. Take that for what it's worth.
Sounds like the consensus is......buy a KIA only if you have to.....especially, if there are other alternatives available to you (like Toyotas or GMs).
This "car" is owned by a 50 yo. teacher. Never off road and treated quite well. Dealer is giving him a million excuses of why its not covered ie: wear & tear, maint. item, yada, yada........... Same deal I went thru with the Sephia I got stuck with and it had problems...........
He usually buys toyotas but being a teacher hes quite thrifty and didn't want to spend the extra $$ for a rav4 or a matrix. He even could of bought a Pontiac Vibe (a matrix twin) with our GM family discount.
The kia dealer won't budge on this repair. Sad but true...................
I'm with snake on this one. I'd take it to another dealer's service dept AND contact Kia's representative. Having that long warranty doesn't mean much if they won't honor it.
Aside from the horrendous resale value Kia's have, at the very least, they should honor the warranty.
My experience with Hyundai is that they are standing by their cars. They started having issues with the manifolds of the Elantras around the year mine was made so they extended the warranty on them to 10 years unlimited miles. Well at 131K my exhaust manifold cracked and they replaced it under warranty without hesitation or any questions.
I would expect Kia to be the same.
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The next closest kia dealer is 50 miles away...........
I went round and round with this dealer when I had problems. But yet again I am quite "forcefull" but totally calm. Cause ya know you catch more flys with honey than vinegar ! BBB and kia could care less and he is told its too late for a buy back lemon law deal............
If it was ME tho. I would be rocking their world!!!!........The best they offered is to put him in a new sportage with rebates, low interest, and get this a kia owner loyalty rebate !!!!!!!!!!!!
Its not an issue of invoking the lemon law but of getting your warranty honored. Giving Kia a call could light the fire under the dealer to honor the warranty. Plus you never know that 50 mile drive could solve the problem with nothing more than the time and gas to get there.
Its just that something just doesn't sit right. There has to be a reason Kia (or more correctly the dealer) is not honoring the warranty, do you know why?
If they are offering him a new sportage as the best they can do it seems like the dealer is playing games to get a new sale. My guess is that the issue is covered under warranty and the dealer is playing games. Document everything and report everything to Kia, the BBB, your States Attorney, and the newspapers. This dealer seems crooked.
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I always wonder if those guys aren't try to double dip - collect money from both the manufacturer and the customer. I'm sure there are safeguards in the records, but there is no other logical explanation for lack of cooperation with the customer. Other of course than the customer is nuts and is making the stuff up.
Other of course than the customer is nuts and is making the stuff up.
Thats a distinct possibility not to be overlooked. We are only hearing one side of the story here. One can only wonder what the dealer would say about this.
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I'm sure it is. If people expect to buy a car at invoice minus holdback minus all cash rebates plus zero percent APR plus free oil change for life (and be genuinly outraged if they don't get such a deal), they might as well make stuff up about their car trouble stories. That's for sure.
I can't address the current posters situation without knowing more facts ....but let me give an example, we had a guy who went on a crusade about his warranty claim getting declined by the mfg.. He posted, in multiple places, that we were out to get him, the carmaker was crooked, etc....The part of the story he failed to post was the car had gone for a swim and water was found in the engine. Oddly enough our area had just cleaned up from some serious flooding (last fall)....some further investigation also found some water in the spare tire wheel area and other areas of the car.....so instead of calling his insurance company he decided that driving thru a flood causing serious engine damage was the carmakers fault.
I have suggested we take it to the kia dealer in Watertown NY and let them have a go at it. Hes pretty stubborn and thinks the local dealer should take care of it.
Well thank you all for the input. Your ideas were terrific and helped me make the right decision. I purchased a 2005 Malibu Maxx with little over 10,000 miles for $14,700 out the door (1/2 way between 14 and 17,5). The car is like new with plenty of warranty remaining. 6 cylinders and an estimated gas mileage of 24/32 plus all the imaginable options found in a mid size car. Not to mention the car drives like a dream and looks very nice. I hope I am now set for at least 10 years and feel proud I purchased an American made car.
Hi, I'm thinking of trading in my 2003 VW Jetta (bought new) for a 2003 VW Passat. The main reason is I like the body style of the 2003 Passat better than the newer models. The price of the Passat I'm looking at is around $14,000. Is this a stupid idea? :confuse:
Well done! Sounds like you got a great deal and a great car. The car writer for the Washington Post, Warren Brown, often recommends the Maxx in his on-line discussion. He thinks very highly of it.
I think that was a good choice in getting a newer car. It should serve you for many, many years to come.
Do you still owe money on the Jetta? Would you be getting in over your head financially on the Passat?
If it's no financial strain, and you don't have to go through all sorts of hoops to make the numbers come out right, it isn't necessarily a bad idea. The Passat is certainly a step up from the Jetta, and if that's what you want, can't fault you for it.
i've asked this question a couple months back and never got any replies so i'll try again. on the navigation system when verbally speaking the house number into the nav system it hardly ever repeats it the way you spokeit into the system? the manual says speak the numbers one at a time clearly and it still doesn't do it. its so very frustrating.every thing else in the navigation system seems to work fairly well except when you try and pronounce the house#. does any other toyota person with navigation ever have this problem?? or am i doing something wrong that i don't know about? thanks pete :confuse:
Wasn't there a commercial a few months ago showing a Jeep SUV (can't remember which one) driving out of the ocean? I wonder how many "enthusiasts" tried that...
All the posts around here on the GM v-8 csk issues, The troublesome new camry automatics that are being recalled, the toyota engine sludge issues of past, nissans nagging problems with the new titan, armanda, and the Q suvs. Fords composite intake manifold issues, not to mention the Firestone tire issues on the Exploders are NOT to be believed !!!!!!!
All LIES and a conspiracy to discredit all auto makers and dealers and are posted on these many forums just for fun or the hate factor of buyers remorse........ :sick:
I'm looking to lease a new Honda Accord from my local dealer and trade in my 2000 Camry for a down payment. KBB puts the value around $5,000.
The problem is that about a year or so back, I had a run in (literally) with a pillar in a parking garage. There are some scratches on my front bumper, on the left corner, but no dents. The estimate I have for repairs is $500. My question is if I should repair the car at my own expense before I go to trade it in, or should I let the dealer handle it?
I have a feeling I'm going to be shelling out the green myself, but I wanted to check here with the experts first.
DO NOT put 5 grand downpayment on lease!!! It gives you absolutely nothing other than reducing principal portion of the payment. Unlike loans, lease downpayments do not reduce finance charges, as those are determined by MSRP and residual. Moreover, if you happen to total the car in the first few months all that down will be lost (bank will never give that money back to you, perhaps a very small portion). Keep the money (get a check from a dealer or sell the car by yourself), put it in the bank and pay higher per month - makes more sense.
If you buy that Accord, that's a different story - then money down makes perfect sense, as finance charges will go down together with principal payments.
Regarding fixing the car - I think it may be worth in that price range. It is still a 6-year old car and $500 repair may "cost" you $1000-1500 at the trade-in, as it gives them a great excuse to try harder to "steal" the car from you. If it were 2-3 grand car, I would let it slide, probably.
Dino is right -- if you lease, do NOT try to maximize the size of the down payment, security deposit, or anything else.
Remember, leasing is a fundamentally different transaction from ownership. A lease is a form of rent, with the lease payment based upon an interest rate ("money factor") applied to an amount of depreciation over a period of time. That means that you should ideally seek:
-The lowest interest rate possible
-The lowest purchase price possible (depreciation is calculated based upon the diference between the purchase price and the projected residual value, so a lower purchase price reduces the amount of depreciation that you'll need to pay for)
-As little money upfront out of your pocket as possible (minimal or no down, security, etc.)
.... **collect money from both the manufacturer and the customer. I'm sure there are safeguards in the records, but there is no other logical explanation for lack of cooperation with the customer...**
Warranty work is approved by the manufacturer, not the dealer ... it's impossible for a dealer to collect $$ from both unless they can "forge" the computer records, the service manager and everyone involved ..... and why would they.? ... they make $$ off warranty work.
The best thing a customer can do is get with the Zone Rep from the manufacturer and step-up the pace.
I think as an ongoing recommendation people should stay clear from lease if they don't understand how it works. Anybody who starts their question with "I want to put down X thousands down on lease to keep my payment low" is a good candidate for such a recommendation.
Lease can be a good thing, especially the ones that are subsidized by the manufacturers on cars with high/inflated residuals, but customers need to be really well informed in that area to avoid really dangerous pitfalls and plain abuses as the lease is somewhat more complicated and easier to trick uneducated.
and why would they.? ... they make $$ off warranty work
Well, how about making more money on the same work by collecting payment twice? Sounds like a winner to me
I do realize that many of the customers tales are exactly that - tales. They rant about denied warranty on that blown engine "forgetting" to mention some crucial details like kerosene in fuel tank etc.
I have had no problems with my warranty work so far (and had couple of claims) so some of those tales seem almost impossible. However, I also know couple of really reasonable people who went through hell with their claims being denied basically on bogus grounds. It is possible that certain manufacturers are less then cooperative in their warranty works in general, but it made me wonder if there was some dealer "participation" in those denials and attempts of "double dipping". I realize it is illegal and probably not so easy to forge the records - yet I find it hard to believe that it is impossible and nobody tried that.
Unlike loans, lease downpayments do not reduce finance charges, as those are determined by MSRP and residual.
That's not quite right. Lease downpayments do reduce finance charges. Those payments depend on the "capital cost" (which is reduced by a downpayment) and residual, not MSRP and residual.
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The $6M question is whether the car will LAST for 10 years. In the case of Camry (as with most domestics), the answer is yes.
2011 Hyundai Sonata, 2014 BMW 428i convertible, 2015 Honda CTX700D
The sister wouldn't take my advise and buy something
else. After NUMEROUS problems she walked away from it !
Paid $ 10k new OTD....6 months later worth 6k as a trade!
6 months after that worth $2000 as a trade!
Sat for 1 year trying to sell it myself. Later sold it for $1500 cash.........................
Then my dumb cousin buys a new sportage suv because it was
a good deal (to him) and had a 10 yr warranty. (ha-ha powertrain only). Having lots of issues !!!! Now at 30k miles it needs some kind of rear suspension repair ($1000) that is not covered by ANY warranty...........
kia buyer beware !!!!!!!!!!!!! :lemon:
BTW: Whats funny is these folks wouldn't even consider
buying a GM car (which we get the big employee discounts)
because they think GM vehicles are junk ! :sick:
2011 Hyundai Sonata, 2014 BMW 428i convertible, 2015 Honda CTX700D
Thanks for any information in advance.
2011 Hyundai Sonata, 2014 BMW 428i convertible, 2015 Honda CTX700D
I have an Acura RSX and I read postings in the clubrsx DG. It appears that most of the owners are young people and they seem to do the silliest modifications to their cars.
Of course, I guess many of us old people think a lot of things young people do are silly. However, I see a lot of young people working very hard and overall I think they are a better generation then we were in the 60's, when all we knew was "if it feels good, do it".
I suppose it's a role of the dice on whether you'd be able to duplicate the deal you have on the '06 when '07 Impalas role around.
At worst, you may have to wait a couple of months when the '07 Impalas hit the street. Maybe a few months after that to see what "deals" Chevy will offer on them.
BTW....I have a neighbor that bought an Impala when the new body style came out (as a 2nd car, no less). I think it was a couple of years ago. This is a guy that also has a Cayenne in his garage. He said, hands down, the Impala is a better built car than the Porsche. Take that for what it's worth.
road and treated quite well. Dealer is giving him
a million excuses of why its not covered ie: wear &
tear, maint. item, yada, yada...........
Same deal I went thru with the Sephia I got stuck
with and it had problems...........
He usually buys toyotas but being a teacher hes quite
thrifty and didn't want to spend the extra $$ for a
rav4 or a matrix. He even could of bought a Pontiac
Vibe (a matrix twin) with our GM family discount.
The kia dealer won't budge on this repair.
Sad but true...................
2011 Hyundai Sonata, 2014 BMW 428i convertible, 2015 Honda CTX700D
Aside from the horrendous resale value Kia's have, at the very least, they should honor the warranty.
I would expect Kia to be the same.
2011 Hyundai Sonata, 2014 BMW 428i convertible, 2015 Honda CTX700D
I went round and round with this dealer when I had
problems. But yet again I am quite "forcefull" but
totally calm. Cause ya know you catch more flys with
honey than vinegar !
BBB and kia could care less and he is told its too late
for a buy back lemon law deal............
If it was ME tho. I would be rocking their world!!!!........The best they offered is to
put him in a new sportage with rebates, low interest,
and get this a kia owner loyalty rebate !!!!!!!!!!!!
Either way he loses his shirt.......... :sick:
Its just that something just doesn't sit right. There has to be a reason Kia (or more correctly the dealer) is not honoring the warranty, do you know why?
If they are offering him a new sportage as the best they can do it seems like the dealer is playing games to get a new sale. My guess is that the issue is covered under warranty and the dealer is playing games. Document everything and report everything to Kia, the BBB, your States Attorney, and the newspapers. This dealer seems crooked.
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Thats a distinct possibility not to be overlooked. We are only hearing one side of the story here. One can only wonder what the dealer would say about this.
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NY and let them have a go at it. Hes pretty stubborn
and thinks the local dealer should take care of it.
To me it would be worth a shot.............
I purchased a 2005 Malibu Maxx with little over 10,000 miles for $14,700 out the door (1/2 way between 14 and 17,5). The car is like new with plenty of warranty remaining. 6 cylinders and an estimated gas mileage of 24/32 plus all the imaginable options found in a mid size car. Not to mention the car drives like a dream and looks very nice. I hope I am now set for at least 10 years and feel proud I purchased an American made car.
I'm thinking of trading in my 2003 VW Jetta (bought new) for a 2003 VW Passat. The main reason is I like the body style of the 2003 Passat better than the newer models. The price of the Passat I'm looking at is around $14,000. Is this a stupid idea? :confuse:
Any feedback is appreciated! Thanks!
I think that was a good choice in getting a newer car. It should serve you for many, many years to come.
If it's no financial strain, and you don't have to go through all sorts of hoops to make the numbers come out right, it isn't necessarily a bad idea. The Passat is certainly a step up from the Jetta, and if that's what you want, can't fault you for it.
2011 Hyundai Sonata, 2014 BMW 428i convertible, 2015 Honda CTX700D
Yeah, you're in the wrong forum...
I wonder how many "enthusiasts" tried that...
All the posts around here on the GM v-8 csk issues,
The troublesome new camry automatics that are being
recalled, the toyota engine sludge issues of past,
nissans nagging problems with the new titan, armanda,
and the Q suvs.
Fords composite intake manifold issues, not to mention
the Firestone tire issues on the Exploders are NOT to
be believed !!!!!!!
All LIES and a conspiracy to discredit all auto makers
and dealers and are posted on these many forums just
for fun or the hate factor of buyers remorse........ :sick:
2011 Hyundai Sonata, 2014 BMW 428i convertible, 2015 Honda CTX700D
2018 430i Gran Coupe
2011 Hyundai Sonata, 2014 BMW 428i convertible, 2015 Honda CTX700D
I'm looking to lease a new Honda Accord from my local dealer and trade in my 2000 Camry for a down payment. KBB puts the value around $5,000.
The problem is that about a year or so back, I had a run in (literally) with a pillar in a parking garage. There are some scratches on my front bumper, on the left corner, but no dents. The estimate I have for repairs is $500. My question is if I should repair the car at my own expense before I go to trade it in, or should I let the dealer handle it?
I have a feeling I'm going to be shelling out the green myself, but I wanted to check here with the experts first.
If you buy that Accord, that's a different story - then money down makes perfect sense, as finance charges will go down together with principal payments.
Regarding fixing the car - I think it may be worth in that price range. It is still a 6-year old car and $500 repair may "cost" you $1000-1500 at the trade-in, as it gives them a great excuse to try harder to "steal" the car from you. If it were 2-3 grand car, I would let it slide, probably.
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Remember, leasing is a fundamentally different transaction from ownership. A lease is a form of rent, with the lease payment based upon an interest rate ("money factor") applied to an amount of depreciation over a period of time. That means that you should ideally seek:
-The lowest interest rate possible
-The lowest purchase price possible (depreciation is calculated based upon the diference between the purchase price and the projected residual value, so a lower purchase price reduces the amount of depreciation that you'll need to pay for)
-As little money upfront out of your pocket as possible (minimal or no down, security, etc.)
Warranty work is approved by the manufacturer, not the dealer ... it's impossible for a dealer to collect $$ from both unless they can "forge" the computer records, the service manager and everyone involved ..... and why would they.? ... they make $$ off warranty work.
The best thing a customer can do is get with the Zone Rep from the manufacturer and step-up the pace.
Terry.
Lease can be a good thing, especially the ones that are subsidized by the manufacturers on cars with high/inflated residuals, but customers need to be really well informed in that area to avoid really dangerous pitfalls and plain abuses as the lease is somewhat more complicated and easier to trick uneducated.
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Well, how about making more money on the same work by collecting payment twice? Sounds like a winner to me
I do realize that many of the customers tales are exactly that - tales. They rant about denied warranty on that blown engine "forgetting" to mention some crucial details like kerosene in fuel tank etc.
I have had no problems with my warranty work so far (and had couple of claims) so some of those tales seem almost impossible. However, I also know couple of really reasonable people who went through hell with their claims being denied basically on bogus grounds. It is possible that certain manufacturers are less then cooperative in their warranty works in general, but it made me wonder if there was some dealer "participation" in those denials and attempts of "double dipping". I realize it is illegal and probably not so easy to forge the records - yet I find it hard to believe that it is impossible and nobody tried that.
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That's not quite right. Lease downpayments do reduce finance charges. Those payments depend on the "capital cost" (which is reduced by a downpayment) and residual, not MSRP and residual.
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