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I do not want to dwell on this but I WILL tell you that I own a WWII Japanese Arasaka 7.7mm with bayonette. The bayonette has a symbol of 3 rings sort of hooked together. It is listed in collectors books at the symbol for Toyoda, Heavy Industries, where it was manufactured.
Now, $.02 for the person that can GUESS what is the modern name of Toyoda. I believe they also, at one point in time, put a symbol of 3 sort of linked circles on some of it's automobiles.
Now it does not bother, as I have owned 6 Toyota's, one Honda and still own one Kawasaki motorcycle but can you somewhat understand why some American Vets will not own a Toyota?
FORD supplied Germany during WW2. How screwed up is that? Now it is coming to the forefront that FORD was a [non-permissible content removed] apologist. How digusting.
http://www.homestead.com/therangerstation/index.html
Sometimes they give a 30% discount on some items.
Also, off the off-road board you can get tips on who has the best prices.
I MISSED the chance to get a Warn 8000 winch for 400 bucks there.
I had to have a door switch replace today. Intermittent door ajar light. Minor problem.
I seem to see a lot of Mercedes in WWII pics, not Fords.
I was out last night and my heater and at high it drives you almost out of the car. Cooling I already identified at 39 degrees. Also, the vent selection, first left detent, is air only, no A/C.
In regard to the damage referred to in your post, replacement of the same items on a Tacoma would be cheaper? Doubt that. I do not exactly know what the air bag sensors are suppose to be set at for proper deployment, but I know they will go off given the proper jolt. Since lock kits for them are now offered, one can assume they are expensive, $400-500 I would guess. My wife has a head on collision in her 90 LeBaron and it was found the whole steering column needed replacement which added $600-700 to the bill. We still have the airbag with her lipstick kiss print right in the middle of the bag. It saved her life.
http://townhall-talk.edmunds.com/engaged/edmund.cgi?c=Maintenance&f=0&t=998&q=0-
Now look at Edmunds and see the most popular compact truck, or wanted compact truck is for 2000. Ranger.
Spoog, you put an owner down of a Ranger for having a slight pull to the right while driving in an earlier post. Why didn't you put the Tacoma owners down like Jim, remember the Tacoma owner who was left stranded out in the middle of nowhere? or the other Tacoma owner who's seats were falling apart? He even stated he was told by the service dept this was happening on many other Tacomas.
And I notice wsn, hind, and other Tacoma fans didn
't say a word. Hmmm...... can we say bias?
I have been labled a Tacoma hater, Toyota hater. Even though I have NEVER called the Tacoma a "grocery getter" nor put anyone down for having problems with their Tacoma's, have I folks?
For everybody else. Seems Toyota is supposed to intro the new Taco at the Chicago Auto show, and the new Ranger is supposed to show up also. The Taco is to have "Suicide" doors, and the Ranger is supposed to have the Explorer SOHC V6...
-wsn
in about 500,000 (ranger & mazda) trucks sold is
supposed to make them all terrible? Hmmm... I
think your sample might be just a bit limited to
make any assumptions.
First I did not say that you had accused me of bashing the Ranger. I was merely explaining that
fact to you I was not bashing the Ranger. Second of all I don’t need a lecture from you and that
condescending remarks about lemons.
Who cares if you do not or do hate Toyota products? Then again you like to categorize and label people that are not of the same opinion as yourself. Who is calling the kettle black?
bashing the Ranger. I was merely explaining that
fact to you I was not bashing the Ranger. Second
of all I don’t need a lecture from you and that
condescending remarks about lemons."
In case you misunderstood the first time, my post was merely a secondary follow-up to the post from reddogs about the mazda B2500. I only titled the response with your name because it was part of the string.
If you think that my posts are "lectures" or appear "condescending" just ignore them and don't bother to read them.
It is a matter of record that Henry FORD admired the record the fascist's compiled of industrial improvement in the prewar years. So did Charles LINDBERG and other prominent Americans. After the war started, Americans pulled together for the common cause of victory.
It is also a matter of record that American owned plants in Axis territory produced weapons for the Axis while under Axis control. Foreign owned plants in the USA likewise produced materials for the American war effort - GAF for example.
EDMUNDS has no position regarding the current electoral contests, and this is not an appropriate forum to pursue such issues.
Front Porch Philosopher
SUV, Pickups, & Aftermarket and Accessories Host
http://www.epinions.com/auto-review-70AF-52FEB8A-385C9115-prod2
Thank you!
-wsn
I think my truck is for sale!
-wsn
I saw pictures of the new Frontier and it is vastly improved as far as looks are concerned. A new V6 for 2002 is also planned. A supercharger becomes available sometime this summer also.
WSN, what were you trying to prove then with that site? It was not sales numbers, it was based on people looking for information and how many times the Tacoma was looked at for pricing information. The Ranger reins again for 2000 as the most popular truck and most chosen by consumers.
Are you for reel?
"WSN, what were you trying to prove then with that
site? It was not sales numbers, it was based on
people looking for information and how many times
the Tacoma was looked at for pricing information.
The Ranger reins again for 2000 as the most popular
truck and most chosen by consumers."
I'l say it one last time, and use small words for those who are having trouble.
MY LINK WAS TO SHOW THAT BOTH THE RANGER AND THE TACOMA WERE QUITE POPULAR WITH PEOPLE. THAT THEY SEEM TO BE MORE POPULAR THAN OTHER OFFERINGS. IN SHORT I WAS SAYING THAT THOSE OF US THAT HAVE CHOOSEN ONE OF THE TWO MUST HAVE PRETTY GOOD TASTE AND JUDGEMENT! IS THIS CLEAR ENOUGH FOR YOU?
For those of you who did a little surfing at auto.com, you will see them talking about the SOHC V6 going in the 2001 Ranger. That will make things interesting...
-wsn
http://www.epinions.com/auto-review-504B-2F98A1-385FC223-bd4
We all know that OEM tires are picked to ride soft and quiet to SELL the vehicle. I do not LIKE the Firestones, more than likely would not like the Goodyears on a Tacoma and RAPIDLY replace mine with 3ply sidwall BFG's
The other stuff? I agree a bit of embellishment. However, consider this. The last statistics I read show the Tacoma with slightly MORE percentage of weight to the front than the Ranger. Both are somewhere around 65% to the front.
Those facts MUST be taken into consideration when going off-road in EITHER vehicle. They are trucks, not Jeeps and any idiot that tries to traverse a 30-40 degree slope gets what he deserves. But I contend that both will do very well on MOST roads in the off-road areas.
Heck, a friend of mine pitched over his ATV going down a slope, off the trail/road and it cost him the tip of one finger.
wsn:
Nice looking Tacoma but THAT GRILL. . .
Reminds me of a 56 Buick.
A LOCKER AIN'T GONNA HELP YOU IF YOU FLIP. . .
I to think that both Ford and Toyota should offer differnt tires on their offerings. You actually can get the BFG's with the Tundra Off Road package. They should offer it on the Tacoma
That's funny it thought the grill looked like a buick and the ranger combined.....hahaha
Cspounser writes:
"Those facts MUST be taken into consideration when
going off-road in EITHER vehicle. They are trucks,
not Jeeps and any idiot that tries to traverse a
30-40 degree slope gets what he deserves."
Sorry, but the Tacoma and Jeep are in the same category. The Ranger is not. It is clear from design philosophy. Go to the Jeep forum and ask those guys which truck they would get if they could. They will all say Toyota.
" But I
contend that both will do very well on MOST roads
in the off-road areas."
huh? Why are you even trying to justify yourself to that lame review? It's pointless. Clearly the guy didn't know what he was doing OR talking about.
"wsn:
Nice looking Tacoma but THAT GRILL. . .
Reminds me of a 56 Buick."
I agree. That grill sucks. What were they thinking? It still looks better than the Ranger and mazda grill, but not by much. Ugh.
"A LOCKER AIN'T GONNA HELP YOU IF YOU FLIP"
Still jealous about the locker I see Cspousner?
http://www.epinions.com/auto-review-7F2E-46E52AF-3861B603-prod1
the legacy of quality maybe unimportant today is the quality real or a perceived quality?
http://www.epinions.com/auto-review-6EEA-344A869-38549A1E-prod5
I have had two times I was in that situation and did not like it. It was short distances but it was a learning experience. I leaned into the moutain. Both were on a trail, one on rocks and the other had to go past a washout on a trail and could not back down very well. Had to cross it.
Let me offer my opinion a bit more, and this will challenge spoog a bit. These and all p/u trucks are nose heavy, Tacoma a bit more so than Ranger. Also, they are a bit taller than say a Jeep, raising the center of gravity. My suggestion on this is if your in any truck 4 wheeling, be careful of severe slopes. There is a greater chance of loosing it. Also, consider weight in the back to help equalize the weight distribution but be careful of weight shifts. Regardless of how you feel spoog these trucks are not Jeeps and in difficult slopes do not act the same as a widetrack short wheelbase Jeep, which could almost make a turning circle in your truck bed...
Hindsite, I think the writer was a very inexperienced driver. But we do not from that letter know the entire situation. I do agree with the writer on tires but do not agree as to who is responsible. Also, roll bar?!? Can we spell aftermarket? I do not think they are standard on Jeeps either.
GOOD sites though with food for thought. Gotta surf the Tacoma letters. . .
Back in a bit with info from them, other than the above skid plate post.
hat off to you for fighting the good fight.
Even 4wheeler had this to say about the tacoma :
" The Tacoma TRD handled the rough stuff and inclines better than any vehicle WE HAVE EVER DRIVEN".
BETTER THAN ANY VEHICLE THEY HAVE EVER DRIVEN!
Thats saying a whole heck of ALOT coming from 4wheeler.com's testers. They drive all sorts of rigs, Jeeps included.
Come on folks, the Ford sacrificed offroad prowess big time in the ranger by choosing to design the entire suspension for highway travel.
Every review, every quote or article posted to this board has basically said the Tacoma is a notch or two above the Ranger offroading, and the rest of the production 4x4's in general. Sometimes it's good to just accept something and let it go. Toyota designs their trucks like this, right down from the Landcruiser to the Tacoma. Ford designs their trucks to tow alot and be comfy haulers, right from the Excursion to the Ranger.
Click back if you want to see what Edmunds thought of the Expedition verse the Landcruiser.
Hint: The expedition was voted the " Most liekly SUV to break " while offroading.
Again Cspounser...don't lump the Tacoma in with the Ranger when concerning offroad. You can lump the s-10, mazda, dakota with the Ranger, but not the Tacoma when concerning offroading. Sorry. The Jeep and Tacoma are in their own class as far as this is concerned. Toyota has worked long and hard and designed these trucks just for that deserved reputation and performance offroad.
The offroad reviews in magazines parralel that sentiment eloquently.
They were all posted by Ranger owners. Am I a Ranger owner? No . . . Not too swift . . . eh?
A grade is used in surveying and mapping and not in geometry.
% Grade is 100 x Tan slope or 100 x Vertical Rise divided by horizontal distance.
Therefore a 57% grade is equal to 30 degrees and a 93% grade is equal to 43 degrees. You
definitely do not make the grade in math.
% grade = tan degrees x 100. or
degrees = arctan (rise/run)
Modvptnl:
I think you're confusing 93% grade with 93 degrees. ( I would like to see someone do that one!)
Okay, enough with the math lessons.
45 degrees is pretty steep, your engine has to carry a good portion of the vehicle's weight as opposed to flat ground where it's mainly the friction force generated by the car's weight as well as the inertia, starting from rest (not to mention air resistance).
Toyota and Jeep are NOT in the same group, spoog. I have mentioned a friend in the past who has a Jeep and is a severe offroader, visits MOAB every year, in an offroad group and so on.. He laughs at the Tacoma, and calls it a yuppie truck also!! LOL. The locker again, I don't think anyone who is educated about this sales gimmick is jealous, just pitties the fools who opted for it and paid for it. At 5mph limit, sure doesn't help much. And with its need to be in a straight forward motion to work, doesn't help much. I figure a person who buys this option will probably use it about .3% of the time. We can go this round again. Most who buy this option buy it for the pretty sticker and will not take their 24K TRD's into places where a locker will actually be beneficial.
Nice sticker, enjoy.
See you in the Hills.
P.S. If you havn't noticed, anyone can login to this discussion also and say whatever they want about any vehicle they want. There is no difference between the opinions posted here and those on Epinions except we all know from the begining that we are all biased here. Those at Edmunds Townhall are not the chosen ones brought here to hand down certified and official opinions
Why is it when I post a topic or a link that may or not be favorable concerning the Ranger I get a disparaging comment from you? If I were to post a topic that is favorable about the Ranger there is no comment from you. Yet posting a topic or link that is not be favorable to the Tacoma. Do I denigrate you for repetitiously posting those topics? This is a forum to discuss and debate, and not the type of discussion is a one sided. No one and especially you will limit me to as what I can say or post. I will always respect your opinions, but not always agree.
http://www.auto.com/2000chicagoautoshow/slideshow/ford_ranger_edge/index.htm
The great news for ranger fans is the addition of the SOHC 4.0L V6 to the engine line-up. I believe it to be rated at 210hp and 240ft/lbs of torque. Still no crew cab model planned. The Explorer Sport Trac is actually a slightly restyled ranger crew-cab.
I think that it's very nice looking. I'm looking forward to getting my hands on it and seeing the difference between the 3.73 open (my truck) vs. his 4.10 LS. He says it's torquey, but he drives like the typical "old fart".