Ford Super Duty - Continued V

ford250sd

Hi all,
new to posting but, have spent the last couple of weeks reading "ALL" of the Super Duty posts since day one of the forum. Yeah, it did take about 3 weeks of on & off reading. I now feel armed with all the info I need to make the best deal on a new 250SD......thanks to all of you.

I've decided on a 250 SC Lariat 2wd v10 manual 4.30 limited slip trailer towing pkg bucketts & a couple of other minor options. Color is still pretty much up in the air but, I'm leaning towards the bright red with the tan interior. I have plenty of time as I won't be ordering until sometime between March & May.

Question: Does Ford offer a painted lockable fiberglass tonnuo (sp?) with their accessories? I haven't been able to locate that specific info. The Ford dealership I visited didn't seem very interested in talking to me much less have a catalog handy to look at. Needless to say they won't be seeing me again.

Anyway, thanks again to all that post here. The information has been priceless.

dogwood

lewac - forget the oil changes. They owe you at least a Mustang convertible. What a story!
Maine cowgirl: Congrats on your order. I'm leaning toward the Lariat, too, because I'm in the construction biz, and the leather/vinyl is easier to clean. Plus the canine unit insists on riding shotgun. Regarding colors, as I read the Ford lit.,you can get any color except silver in the Lariat, probably because someone at Fomoco decided it looked icky with the tan leather (the only Lariat interior color). I've seen woodland over gold, very nice and earthtone, and also one CC in bright amber over black-very sharp. Many SDs in white over silver and black over silver (but not Lariats).
All: Help! Intend to order 00 SC LWB V10 4x4 with camper pkg.and other options, but am undecided on F250 vs. F350 SRW. Does anyone out there have either of these configs. with camper pkg., and if so, what is the camper weight rating? I can't seem to find this info here or from Ford. If this topic has been covered elsewhere I'd appreciate a referral. Also, looking for dealers in the New England/New York area with good allocation.Thanks.

zrust

Well, its finally here! Red October arrived a couple of weeks ago and I've been way too busy driving it to keep up you you folks. Red October is an F250/Lariet/CC/4X4/V10/4.30LS/Auto in, of course, Bright Red Clearcoat. ford250sd, you can't go wrong with that color. I've already had a whole bunch of folks tell me that it looks great. Mainecowgirl, I think you'll be happy with the V10/4.30LS. Lots of pulling power, but reasonable on the freeway. Plus, if you want to smoke the tires once in a while, that won't be any problem at all.

Already crawled underneath and did the required anti-rust painting that Ford doesn't seem to care about (best done as soon as you pick up the truck). Added the K-Mart $30 back up distance sonar. Works great. Since it has an audible "beeper" to help you know how far yoiur bumper is away from large objects such as cars and such, I just mounted the control box under the rear seat, sight unseen. Still waiting for my tranny temp gauge, though.

Hope you all are enjoying your trucks as much as I am. Keep the good info comin'

bess

Your truck sure is rackin up alot of miles on it.. Too bad it's not because your driving it..
I guess it could be 'worse'. Like, someone selling the truck to someone else or maybe being wrecked during transit or something.

Get what you can as compensation from the dealer and from the factory, (although there's not much they can do to compensate)..

They (FoMoCo via regional rep) can give you an extended warranty (like 4yr). Thats worth a few $$ if you were to buy it. If ford stands behind their quality, it should cost them nothing..

I requested this (4yr warranty) for my 99 Windstar when it developed an engine oil leak they had trouble diagnosing. The dealership said 'no way' this simply can be done. The FoMoCo regional rep approved it, no flak at all.

sdman

UNBELIEVABLE! Fact is always stranger than fiction.

I think I have the vality plate for your truck: WANDERER

Keep the spirits up - a year from now you'll be telling the story to your friends and laughing about it.

sdman

Of course if I could type, I would have typed "vanity" not "vality" in my last post...

jlapointe1

As discussed here and on other boards, the payload figures that are in the Ford sales brochures can be a little confusing. In general, if you are thinking about a slide in pick-up camper, you would be wise to order an F-350 rather than an F-250. My 2000 F-250 XLT V-10 Auto sc lwb 4x4 weighs in at just over 6600 lbs. That only leaves 2200 lbs for people, gear,and camper. Only a few of the smaller (7 - 9.5 foot) pick-up campers weigh less than 2000 lbs. Any of the larger and more nicely equipped ones weigh from 2500 to 4000 lbs.

Good Luck!
Jeff L.

crazyelvis

geez lew...got typers cramp after all of that??!!
And it just all gets better....you have to go in and deal with Mikey!!!
Got a weird thing in the mail today...A Thanks for buying a 00 F150 ...from Ford....A booklet to help me figure out my truck....like how to read the gear lever crap... P R N D 2 1......and operation of the window buttons......Do they think I'm stupid or something....plus...since they think I own a 150....will I be missing any F250 goodies???....like the duffel bag.....I thought they were giving out blankets or chairs at one time......anyone get any good stuff????

dbarbee1

Glad to here they found the where abouts of your truck. I am still waiting on mine the build date is Jan 31.

I think I see why its taking so long. I didn't order a red one. Mine is the wedgewood blue with silver. I dealt with Waikem Ford here in Ohio.

The salesman has has been helpful. He said what makes it worst is you would think that a Z plan buyer woulld not have to wait 7months.(thats how long it will be by the time that I get it) that I order it.

Brutus

Unbelievable Lewac, but you will love it all the more when it gets there. It sounds more like a FoMoCo or rail screw up than the dealer. Maybe FoMoCo can be persuaded to give you one of those $500 rebates they give on other vehicles.

sdman & mainecowgirl,

I don't have a website, but plan to get one on-line later in the Spring. I have a slide-in camper, so the plans for the website is to include pictures of the truck and camper, as well as photos of Alaskan camping and fishing. I won't be able to get a good wax job on the camper or truck until April, so I don't anticipate getting the website up and running until then. I can send the current photos via e-mail. My e-mail address is on my profile.

I've got the leather interior and have no complaints. I do a lot of camping and fishing and don't have any more problems keeping the leather clean than I did when I had the cloth seats in my last truck. As for the backseat, I've got the Supercab. In the summer, the back seat is folded down most of the season so I can keep some fishing and camping gear stored.

lilelmo

lewac: Darned glad they found your truck. Too bad they couldn't ship these things FedEx or UPS, but at $10.95/# it would cost $72,270 to overnight a 6600# SD.

A friend of mine (who deals with the RR brokering coal) says their systems are pretty outdated. Glad you found your beast. I like that "WANDERER" plate idea, HOBO might work, or how about "RAILJOB". I'm real glad they found your truck.

Regarding seat covers: The leathers nice and doesn't capture odor, but it'll fry your butt,legs, and back on a hot Georgia afternoon, same as vinyl-but it IS tough and looks great. When I got my 94 150, I scotchgarded the interior immediately even though it supposedly was already done. "El Doggo" rides on the folded down back seat on a very thin matching grey carpet that is cut to fit and is velcroed to the back of the seat/shelf area. It folds up out of the way and out of sight when not in use by my slobbering friend (90# chocolate lab). The CC seat doesn't fold the same way, so I'll have to improvise again.

I use the carpet shampooer about one every 8-10 months and the seats look nearly new. Oh, I also put a piece of clear carpet runner across in front of the back seat in the floor (secured by the screws in the carpet trim to keep my kids nasty boot tracks off the carpet. Georgia clay is red and stains.This covers better than floor mats.

brutus: Saw a nice slide in on SD the other night and thought of you. Looking forward to your website. I visited Alaska a few years ago and flat LOVED IT. I want to go back soon.

jtc

Does anyone know if you can access behind the rear seat in the supercab. Is there any usable storage back there? Thanks

koakey

The V10 with auto appears to be a pretty popular combination that won't help speed up your delivery (or should it be ??)

I believe the Lariat has vinyl rear seats (leather only on the front).

Key to timely delivery on an order is a combination of dealer allocation and commodity availability (ie, engine, tranny, etc).

From what I've read elsewhere, typical is usually 10-12 weeks with some much shorter and some much longer...

pistolero

You'll find all the comparative payload figures in Ford's 2000 RV & Trailer towing guide. It lists payloads for those two configurations after accounting for all passengers in vehicle (150 lbs per) as follows:
F250: GVWR 8800 Max cargo 2482
F350: GVWR 9900 Max cargo 3594

These are based on the gas engine, any options weight would have to be deducted. These already include the additional weight and increased strength of the camper package. As you probably know, the dually option would give approximately 1100 lbs more. Good hunting!!

bess

There is no storage behind the rear seats of the SuperCab.
Also, note that the SC rear seats are different in 2000 vs 99. In 2000, the seat folds up (60/40 split), so you have full access to the rear cab floor, and the capability to store stuff under the seats.
The seat back in 2000 is a full seat, and not 1/2 seat back, 1/2 bolster. Still no rear headrest though.

Y2K F250 XLT 4x2 SC 5.4L 5sp 4.10LS
Purchased at Capital Ford Raleigh NC, (highly recommend Ed Sanders).

lewac

the dealership's going to receive an update on the location of the railcar on pretty much a daily basis from now to "show" at-the-ramp day. Monday eve we're due for an update on the progress out of Toledo (it ought to be at least back to KTP by then).

bess

Just figured I'd post my latest tank mpg:
16.7 mpg.
Mostly mixed driving to/from work (not much highway).. Although I did have a trip or 2 to the MX track..

Overall my averages have been just above 15mpg..

gossamar

Lewac, my condolances as well....what a ride!! I hope from all the shuffling that there are no dings, scratches on your long awaited baby. Other plate ideas might be:RAILTRIP, ITSHERE, LOSTONE, SNMYTRK(seen-my-truck?),LNGOVRDU(long-over-due). Did get my vanity plates in finally from the wonderful stae of ILL. and they read: IMAVTEN.
Crazy, I also got one of those rather unique F150-How to drive books. What is up with that?? Did ford want to save money from printing a 250-booklet?? If so, maybe someone should tell the printer that the 250 number didn't make it!! Hey, if you see a mid 50's couple lost somewhere between Tampa and Miami...its probably my parents!! They are currently enjoying a week away from the 8" of snow we have here in ILL. right now.
....truck still working great...although with hubs locked in...mileage in town goes to about 7 or 8!!

jraske

Whats this about some people getting small gifts from Ford? I never even got a thank you note. I could use one of those F150 how to drive books,
I have always wondered what those letters stood for on the shift indicator.
John

payner

I am looking at ordering a F250 SD CC 4X4 Lariat,With the 5.4, 3.73gears and Auto. Trans. Can anyone tell me about what kind of Mileage I could expect to get with this.?
Have a dealer who claims he will order me one for $200 over invoice seems like a good deal, what do you all think?
Thanks

dogwood

Thanks for the help. I found several discussions of this topic in the gasser forums on ford-diesel.com. Smokey Wrenn says the F250 is a towing truck, and the F350 is a beast of burden. (And a diesel F250 4x4 has a legal payload well under 2000#). Guess it's gonna be an F350 SRW. The dually is a great rig, but more than we need. Now to find a dealer. I've talked to a half dozen here in Western Mass.who claim V10 orders are 6 months to infinity. They have a few on the lots, but every one is equipped with a snowplow and/or sander, and they're asking MSRP for the truck plus way above retail for the plow. For example: F350 SC LWB V10 4x4 XLT with snowplow (which I don't want) is almost $39K, no haggling. And it's a poor choice for plowing here in New England, anyway, with that long wheelbase. IMO they're shooting themselves in the foot by overpricing. Low SD sales means no allocation and no retail orders. I'll go out of state if necessary to work with a reasonable dealer with decent allocation. (After Lewac's story, maybe I'll shop Lexington, KY and skip the train ride.)

jtc

Noticed your from Western MA. Try Framingham Ford if its not to far. The truck manager is Brian McNulty. I think they have good allotment (8 weeks for my truck with V8) and their price was ...fair. Good luck

Brutus

It sounds like your truck might still end up on a rail car if you buy it from a dealer in KY. Doesn't it have to go across town via Toledo?

Gossamar, what's up with that mpg? With winter gas, duallys, 4x4 locked in, 4.30, idling about 10 minutes each morning, and a fairly heavy foot, I don't get that low.

gossamar

...I think that it is due to the VERY short trips I do take every day. 2-miles to work, 1-mile to class, then one mile back home. I also have a heavy foot. Without hubs locked in, I am still only getting about 9.5-11.5 in town. Not sure if the aftermarket goodies...K/N filter, BORLA, and chip upgrade..aren't actually hurting my mileage. Oh-well, didn't buy the truck for the steller fuel economy. I had an 86-ford 4x4 V-6 ranger...with 4x4 mode engaged I was only getting about 10-mpg during the winter months also. This is why I think that it is just the short trips that are the culprit......

ffd804

I to ordered from Waikem, Bob Bryce is my salesmen he seems ok at this point. Ordered oo 250,sd,sc,xlt,sb,4x4,v10,auto on 11-06 still shows clean and unscheduled as of 01-20. Bob told me at time of order about ten weeks for delivery. from what I read here I DON'T THINK SO..... Who is your salesmen and what did you order.


To all the Super Duty people in this group thanks for all of the good info it has been very helpful.

mainecowgirl

It's unbelievable how few 250's there are in this part of Maine! Thanks for all of your input on truck colors. I had to drive to Boston this weekend so on the way I stopped at a big Ford dealership and looked at the colors they had. I definitely like the Tor. Red, and I think I'll stick with the black accent, though I probably will never see one. I like being different, and I know there won't be one for miles! I'm also sticking with the Lariat.

Dogwood- It seems like there are two different types of Ford truck dealers. The ones that have trucks on their lot, want WAY too much for them and won't even give you the time of day if you want to order new. I originally dealt with a dealer (Whited Ford-Bangor,Maine DO NOT deal with them!) that had lots of 250's,some V10's, most with plows. They didn't have the cofig. I wanted, and when I asked the salesman over the phone to give me a price for the truck I wanted (I had faxed him the specs) he 1) asked if I had been working with any other dealers(in a tone of a man asking his wife if she had slept with any other men!) 2)asked if I had been on the internet looking up prices and 3) when I kept insisting I just wanted to get a price asked me, "Well, what would YOU like to pay for this truck?" I said $1000, but I didn't think that would work so why didn't he just get a price to me. He said an order would take 6-8 months. That was last week, and I never heard back from him. I ended up going to a local dealer with no trucks on the lot, got invoice and saw that their record of past orders was getting trucks there in 3-4 months, about average. Good luck and take advice from these posts. They are invaluable!

And finally lewac- I think there is going to be a nationwide celebration when we get the news that your truck has arrived. Step outside just after you post, and you'll probably hear the faint cheers!

crazyelvis

Western Mass......my inlaws own the Oxbow Resort between Shelbourne Falls and Charlemont on the Mohawk Trail.....are you from anywhere around there???
Bucs....almost got past the Rams today.....all bummed out now.....oh well...next year!!!

jraske

Payner in my opinion the configuration you are concidering is to much truck for the V-8 and would be better off with a V-10 if you check some of the back posts you will notice that there is not that much difference in mileage between the
V-10 and V8 I can't really say from experience
since I went with the PSD but I am sure others here will tell you the same thing.


Got my truck at Robbinson Ford Calexico Calif
00 F350 CC DRW 4X4 PSD with all the bells and whistles. Fair deal, In just over six weeks, one
day latter than promised.
John

todlake

1999 F250SD XLT CC SB V10 Auto 3.73LS 4X4. Picked up in April, now have 14.5k on her. 11-12 mpg city, 14-15 highway in OH & KY. Question: Got our first accumulation of the white stuff and being away from 4 wheel drive for ten years, (SD replaced AWD Astro) I am uncertain when to switch in and out with ESOF. I know I use it when the ground is white or really glossy, but what about when the tracks in the white are just wet? Drove approx. 30 miles on the interstate Saturday night, alternating between the all-white and the white with wet tracks. Didn't hear any odd noises and was glad to have the 4X4 locked in when the tracks disappeared, but I'd just like some advice on when and when not. Thanks!

ashewitt

For those who are waiting, my status just went from "scheduled to be built week of Jan 31st" to "As of Feb 1, locked in for production week of Jan 31st for delivery to dealer week of Feb 14th"

Vehicle
F250 SD CC, SB, V-10, 4WD, ESOF, 3.73LS, Lariat, Leather, Two Tone, CD, Tow Package, 265/75 tires.

History
Order 8-31 at $100 over invoice
DORA 9-1 Not sure which priority but it wasn't 10.
"Clean and Unscheduled" till Dec 9th
"Scheduled" week of Jan 31st till today.

Fast approaching 5 months.

Good luck to everyone waiting

northpole1

I hope you've showered...somebody from FoMoCo and the dealership better be kissing your butt when your truck shows up.

I wonder if it's possible to send a gooseneck trailer to KY to get it? Probably safest to leave it on the railcar.

Brutus

My motto is when in doubt, keep in 4wd in the winter. You've got no weight in the back. A slight acceleration on black ice in 2wd can send your backend fishtailing and send you into the ditch. I almost did it last winter on what I thought was a fairly dry hwy with no snow on it. I managed to recover, but the guy driving the Suburban in front of me wasn't so lucky. He did complete rollover in the median and landed back on his wheels on the other side of the hwy. Fortunately, nobody was hurt.

I could be wrong, so someone correct me, but if you have even a little snow or wet, the tires will have enough slippage not to cause problems if you are in 4wd for extended periods. I tend to pop my truck out of 4wd when I enter a parking a lot since I will making some sharp 90 turns. Otherwise, I am 4wd quite a bit in the winter.

lilelmo

ashewitt:
Well now, anyone but me noticing the sudden flurry of build schedules for CCs no matter when they were ordered? It appears that no matter what priority or when you order, FoMoCo "batches" similar beasts together. Makes sense, I guess unless you ordered 3-5 months ago like you and I. Timing is everything I suppose. Hang in there.

My 250 CC,V10,auto,3.73LS,XLT,4X4 was ordered 10/19/99 and my build week is supposed to be 2/7. How interesting. My "salesman" told me the 4X4 was holding it up. Baloney.

I guess we're just seeing the Just in Time mfg. process at work.

chrispal

Anyone trying to decide between the 250 & 350 should drive both. I went for the 350 because I could not tell much difference in the ride and the cost was only a little extra. It costs a lot more to upgrade later.

I'm over 3200 miles on my deep wedgewood blue 00 F350 SRW PSD 6SPD 4WD LB SC and got 18.8 mpg on my last tank (some city, more highway).

Trayco - I had my oil changed at 2984. The dealer from whom I bought was the only person I knew that recommended 5000 mile oil changes. It turns out their $79 charge includes tire rotation. The oil change without rotation was $64.80 at another dealer. Not worth doing myself (besides I don't have anything to catch 15 quarts of oil under my truck).

shotgun1

FYI My 2k 250 has 60/40 foldup rear seat in supercab config.

chrispal

Brutus - I agree with the little slippage needed for 4wd. Now that the snow has temporarily melted off our roads, I still use 4wd to go uphill to my house on the dirt roads because back of my truck is so light that the wheels skip and spin, especially going around corners. However, I go into 2wd before I make the sharp turn into my driveway because it sounds like 4wd is too much strain on the front end.

I know that some of you will say that this is because I don't have the LS but since I don't have a way to compare - I can't say.

I drove my old truck like this for 115,000 miles and never had any problems with the 4wd.

tracyo

Do you have the 3.73ls? I was just compareing your mpg to mine. I am consistently getting 20+mpg,mine is not 4wd and is a f250, cc, 265 tires. So I gather you will have oil changed every 3000 mi. I just enjoy doing my own maintanance.
Go Titans!!!!

rnewman

Elvis,
I just received the same F150 owners guide book you did, for the purchase of my f250sd CC, lwb, V10, 4x4 , 3.73 I was wondering the same thing. Am I going loose out on free stuff for buying my SD if these bozos think I bought a f150?.. I hope not after my 4 month wait.

Mileage update. 1450 miles so far. All rural, up and down Pennsylvania hills. mostly unloaded. 10 mpg very consistently..

oien

I ordered a SD 4X4 SC V10 back in Sept. After 14
weeks of no build date (unscheduled) I bought a
PSD instead. Dealer sold it to me for $500 below
invoice because I had to wait so long. Sorry I
let down you more disciplined waiters by caving in
to a good deal. I lost my self control.
I love this diesel. 1st tank got 18.2 mpg. 85%
highway and 15% town.

lilelmo

Well, I never.... but hey, I almost did the same thing two weeks ago (the PSD) and then one week later I almost bought a green 250 SD CC with a V10. I'm ready to driving some new iron, too. Congrats. Glad you like the beast.

rflint

Those of you looking for a decent dealership in eastern ma, checkout Rodman ford foxboro, i paid $500 over invoice, f250 s/c lariet dar tor red 5.4 lt eng..So far 2,500 miles and simply awesome.If you are in the area i recommend paul overton.waited 12weeks for delivery very fair compared to what others have waited for on this board..so far my avg mileage is about 12mpg city and about 14.5 hwy not too bad..Good Luck to those still waiting you won't be disapppointed!!

bowhuntwi

3 more days will be 4 month anniversary from order date, am thinking if I wait up to the 7, that it will be spring......good thing I ordered early, I wanted it for my elk hunt in Nov,2000 in Colorado. If I would of waited, it might not of showed up in time. Well lets look at the bright side...I have no payments or insurance to worry about yet. Won't be getting too much Wisc. salt on it, or slush inside.......got extra room in the garage, which I can fill with stuff until it shows up, then I won't have any place to park it cause my garage will be full. Thinking maybe I shouldn't of sold my other truck back in Nov. 99.........I may never get this one....Well let's hope it comes by fishin season....

mainecowgirl

OK, I have now had two people tell me I shouldn't have ordered a limited slip rear axle because they make you go sideways. My first dealer told me he had one in his Bronco, and he would fishtail all the time. What gives guys? Do I have to drive a bit differently with this rear end? (I'm still convinced 4.3LS is right for me. I just want to have a comeback answer for my naysaying friends.) Thanks.

viperle

I was going to put a cat-back system on my SD, but after thinking about it, I have doubts that the cat-back will improve power or mpg if at all. My reasoning is based on the fact that the air flow is still restricted by the cat, the pipe before it, and the exhaust manifold.

Can someone educate me on this. Thanks.

mainecowgirl

lilelmo- Did you get hit at all by the ice storm down south? We had one here in Maine a couple of years ago that was unreal. I was without power for 10 days...no water too as I have a well. I actually didn't have any regrets about the whole experience, but a tree limb did crash onto my F150! I was luckier than most in that I have a woodstove and lots of wood.

crazyelvis- I used to spend a lot of time with a friend in Greenfield, MA, and we were along the Mohawk Trail all the time. I remember the Oxbow Resort! I still compete my horses at Stoneleigh-Burnham School in Greenfield every year. That's a beautiful area.

northpole1

Tell the naysayers that opinions vary. Keep the limited slip. I guess some non-drivin' types might have a problem with fishtailin'. If a person such as yourself is capable enough to pull a heavy trailer, you can easily figure out the personality of the LS. Don't sweat it.

jeffi

Ashwitt;

My status is about exactly as yours. I ordered my truck on Sept.3rd. "Clean and unscheduled" till Dec. 10th. Then "scheduled week of 31st. Then changed today to "As of Feb. 1st, locked in for production week of Jan. 31st for delivery to dealer week of feb. 14.

2000 F250 SD CC, SB, V-10, 4X4, ESOF, 3.73, XLT,White, Prem CD, Tow.,265/75 tires

I feel like I have got a good deal.Trading a 99 f250, XLT, 5.4L,Auto, 4:10, LB, SC for the 2000. Price difference $6700.00. When I made the deal in Sept of 99 the truck had 19000 miles on it. Now it has 29000 miles. The longer it takes the sweeter the deal gets. Going to have to do something soon though the tires are ready to have some attention.

I am just not happy with the 5.4L at all.

My dealer is Don Smith Ford in Greeneville,Tn. I recommend them highly!

jeffi

Ashwitt;

My status is about exactly as yours. I ordered my truck on Sept.3rd. "Clean and unscheduled" till Dec. 10th. Then "scheduled week of 31st. Then changed today to "As of Feb. 1st, locked in for production week of Jan. 31st for delivery to dealer week of feb. 14.

2000 F250 SD CC, SB, V-10, 4X4, ESOF, 3.73, XLT,White, Prem CD, Tow.,265/75 tires

I feel like I have got a good deal.Trading a 99 f250, XLT, 5.4L,Auto, 4:10, LB, SC for the 2000. Price difference $6700.00. When I made the deal in Sept of 99 the truck had 19000 miles on it. Now it has 29000 miles. The longer it takes the sweeter the deal gets. Going to have to do something soon though the tires are ready to have some attention.

I am just not happy with the 5.4L at all.

My dealer is Don Smith Ford in Greeneville,Tn. I recommend them highly!

dbarbee1

My salesman is also Bob. have you checked with him lately? I was calling him once a week.

My truck is a F250, sd,cc,lb,trailer tow,4x2,xlt,v10,auto,4.30.Dark wedgewood blue with silver accent.

jtc

endinmaine- I paid $700 over invoice and got it in about 8 weeks. I did not think that was too bad. It was the best price of about 5 dealers.

rflint- your truck has the same specs as mine. I've got about 1000 mi on it. I have the 265/75 AT's and my mileage in town is only 10 mpg (and I don't have a heavy foot). I've read the tires could have something to do with it. What do you have on yours?