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  • jeepkbdjeepkbd Member Posts: 4
    Hey Mark156,

    I thought about that too. (New Model), but after I drove it, and realized it was under warranty. I couldn't stop from getting it.

    I was able to get a discount on it. Most dealers are selling below invoice.

    The Volvo is a very nice vehicle, however, I had to go with Jeep because of the off-road capabilities.

    Thanks,

    Kevin

    Kevin
  • mark156mark156 Member Posts: 1,915
    Kevin, when you say "invoice" do you mean MSRP (the sticker price) or the dealer cost "invoice"?
    I see these words changed inadvertently and want to make sure we are on the same page.

    I would definitely want my price to be below MSRP and as close to invoice as I can get it if I decided to choose the Commander.

    Also, since the the drivetrain and many other components are shared with the Grand Cherokee, I feel that the first model of the Commander might be OK with little or no issues. (hopefully)

    Thanks, Mark :D
    2010 Land Rover LR4, 2013 Honda CR-V, 2009 Bentley GTC, 1990 MB 500SL, 2001 MB S500, 2007 Lincoln TC, 1964 RR Silver Cloud III, 1995 MB E320 Cab., 2015 Prevost Liberty Coach
  • jeepkbdjeepkbd Member Posts: 4
    Mark,

    I mean below dealer cost (or at least what we think dealer cost is).

    Plus there were some rebates.

    Exactly, the drive train Quadra Drive 2 is the same as the JGC Ltd. Very solid! Plus all the little extras (ESP, All-Spped Traction, Side Airbags, Anti-Roll, & Park Sense) are standard.

    Can't beat the value.

    Kevin
  • blkhemiblkhemi Member Posts: 1,717
    Hey Mark, did you hear about the mass recall on the XC90 that was issued just today. NO BRAKES. It must be pretty bad since the feds are investigating the matter. Just thought you'd like to know.

    P.S.- 2 clients of mine just bought their new Commander Limited HEMI 4WD yesterday in Malibu for $6000 under dealer invoice. That's $35k for a $44k SUV. Told you those end of year deals are great. They took one ride in mine and fell in love. He says that it rides and accelerates better than his $57k Land Rover LR3. She says that it is dynamically better than her $66k VW Touareg V10 TD. Go figure. I guess it's not how much you spend but what you spend it on.

    P.S. again-- My Commander was NOT supposed to have a 6-way seat which the tracks and seat controls were for a 300C. Wasn't charged for the extra postions. I guess I got a freebie since it was special ordered.

    Justin P. Spencer, ESQ,PLC
  • taketheoffertaketheoffer Member Posts: 26
    Anyone know current factual DCX money factor for Commanders?
  • steverstever Guest Posts: 52,454
    Recalls happen so often any more I didn't even bother posting about the XC0 one. There's also a Land Rover one new this week, not to mention the 100,000 Jeep Grand Cherokees recalled around Halloween over fire danger.

    Steve, Host
  • explorerx4explorerx4 Member Posts: 20,722
    thanks for the reply, although i disagree with most of it.
    of course a hemi is going to beat the explorer in a drag race. i just disagree with the rest of your post.
    since the commander is based on the jgc, it is a stretched version. the explorer and mountaineer use the same chassis. i'm just trying to get the facts, although everyone is entitled to their opinion.
    2024 Ford F-150 STX, 2023 Ford Explorer ST, 91 Mustang GT vert
  • mark156mark156 Member Posts: 1,915
    Blkhemi, why did you special order your Commander and how did you get them to put a six way power seat on the passenger side? Did you ask for it?

    How much did you get off MSRP for the speical order?

    Thanks, Mark :D
    2010 Land Rover LR4, 2013 Honda CR-V, 2009 Bentley GTC, 1990 MB 500SL, 2001 MB S500, 2007 Lincoln TC, 1964 RR Silver Cloud III, 1995 MB E320 Cab., 2015 Prevost Liberty Coach
  • blkhemiblkhemi Member Posts: 1,717
    The Commander is NOT streched. It's a new body on an existing platform. To put it in prospective, is the Expedition/Navigator a streched version of the F-150? They share the same platform but are two different vehicles. Same with the Jeeps. The Trailblazer EXT and GMC Envoy XL are streched version over the regular ones because they have an additional 11" in their wheelbase using the same body.

    I must admit the '06 Explorer is a nice piece. The revisions to the suspension and the interior/exterior makes it more of a viable purchase. And the new 292-hp 3-valve V8 is much better and cleaner than the 2-valve 239-hp unit. It is worth a look. The one I looked at was a '05 E.B. and wasn't nowhere near as good as the '06.
  • blkhemiblkhemi Member Posts: 1,717
    I special order most of my vehicles. From a $28k Pontiac G6 GTP to a $74k C6 Z06 to a $125K Audi A8 W-12. It's just that I can get what I want when I want it just spending very little more money.

    My DC order rep and I are still pondering over how the six-way seat found it's way into the Commander because I didn't ask for it. I didn't even think of it.

    I got about 4 grand off MSRP. I think it was well worth it.
  • explorerx4explorerx4 Member Posts: 20,722
    hte commander is stretched behind the wheels, not between the front and back wheels. it is not a good comparison of a full frame full size pickup/suv to a midsize unibody suv.
    each has their own advantages, which is why they were designed that way.
    my wimpy 2v explorer has never failed up take the biggest inclines (in the northeast from vermont, to south carolina, to michigan) with up to 4-5 passengers, cargo top carrier, and up to 4 bicycles hanging off the rear hitch with any problems. usually i drive at 75-80 mph, if possible. gas mileage is between 17-19 on these trips. works for me. :)
    2024 Ford F-150 STX, 2023 Ford Explorer ST, 91 Mustang GT vert
  • blkhemiblkhemi Member Posts: 1,717
    Stretched behind the wheels. Forgive my ignorance, but I fail to comprehend that statement. I used the Expedition/Navigator for example, not comparison. Since the Expedition and F-150 share chassis, it is fair to compare. They are different lengths.

    I never said the 2V V-8 was weak. I'm just repeating what Ford said about their own vehicle. The new 3V V-8 has been certified ULEVII status while the 2-V was LEV. It also gets markedly better mileage (18/22 city/hwy) over it's predessor. This is why Mercedes has been using 3-V head designed vehicles for years.

    I live in both SoCal and Maine and my "non-streched" Commander can tackle the brudish terrain that my lovely state is made of. We have snow that will leave an Explorer without limited slip diffs( LSD's) stranded for sure. I should know with experience having rescued 3 neighbors who adorned their precious Explorer E.B.'s and Limited's until the blizzard of '05. I had my JGC Limited HEMI 4WD then and since the Commander has all the same running gear, I'll be prepared to save the "less" fortunate this year.:))
  • melvinpmelvinp Member Posts: 10
    $475/month for 39 months, $2000 Due at Signing.

    NY State, new plates, no trade.

    2006 COMMANDER LIMITED 4X4 H Pkg.
    - P245/65R17 OWL All Terrain Tires $190.00
    - 17" x 7.5" Aluminum Chrome Clad Wheels $820.00
    - Trailer Tow Group IV $255.00
    - DVD-based GPS Navigation System with 6-CD/MP3 Chngr $1,200.00
    - Quadra-Drive® II 4WD System $650.00

    MSRP $42,015

    I appologize that I don't know all of the details as to Invoice, MF, etc.
  • blkhemiblkhemi Member Posts: 1,717
    Did you pay full price?
  • meganbmeganb Member Posts: 14
    Eh? Where is there a dealership in Malibu?
  • melvinpmelvinp Member Posts: 10
    No, I was given the (mysterious)invoice price, less 1500(factory incentives), less 650 (College Grad Disc).

    If that makes sense!
  • blkhemiblkhemi Member Posts: 1,717
    No dealership in Malibu. That's where they reside.:)
  • blkhemiblkhemi Member Posts: 1,717
    Sounds like a good deal since you got invoice pricing.

    (it makes since.:)
  • taketheoffertaketheoffer Member Posts: 26
    Forgive my ignorance, is the H package the Hemi?
    If so it looks like a good deal compared to what I have been seeing. The best I have seen is same exact car for around $520 mo with no $ down (just tax) and using pull ahead incentive (early lease trade in $1000 value).
  • rs_pettyrs_petty Member Posts: 423
    Any recommendations on Jeep dealers in the northern virginia area - manassas, springfield, woodbridge. I'm more interested in good service department than the sales staff. Thanks.
  • melvinpmelvinp Member Posts: 10
    No Hemi.

    My taxes are 8% if that helps. I only pretty much put down taxes and applicable fees.
  • taketheoffertaketheoffer Member Posts: 26
    So the 2K out of pocket is the taxes and first month? are you upstate or downstate NY?
  • melvinpmelvinp Member Posts: 10
    Upstate (Buffalo Area), I point blank told the dealer what type of money I wanted to lay out and then worked the payments down from there.
  • taketheoffertaketheoffer Member Posts: 26
    Last Question I promise... does the $2k O.O.P. include the first month payment?
  • explorerx4explorerx4 Member Posts: 20,722
    blk... maybe you know jeeps. i just don't think you know the other brands.
    my '02 explorer eb has 'traction lock' which is ford-speak for limited slip.
    did my homework and here is what i came up with: expedition has a totally different chassis than an F150. went back to '02 when they were the closest. expy has smaller wheelbase than any F150.
    wife is 'lnforming' me that dinner, cooked by one of the kids, id ready. i
    ll get back later. :)
    2024 Ford F-150 STX, 2023 Ford Explorer ST, 91 Mustang GT vert
  • explorerx4explorerx4 Member Posts: 20,722
    all those misspelled words.
    see, i did get a bit hurried at the end of that post.
    one of my points is, if a a commnader is a modified JGC, why is an xc90 any different? even if the basic platform is 8 years old, maybe some improvements were made.
    it is great to enjoy the commander, but do that for what it is, not based on trashing another vehicle.
    2024 Ford F-150 STX, 2023 Ford Explorer ST, 91 Mustang GT vert
  • blkhemiblkhemi Member Posts: 1,717
    Once again my words are being taken out of text. I never said the Explorer didn't have limited-slip. The rear-end can be so equipped. However, the Jeep is more advanced with front,center, and rear ELSD's.

    Let's gets some clarity on the facts:
    The F-150/Lincoln LT/Lincoln Navigator/Ford Expedition all share Fords full size platfrom, just in different sizes and suspensions. The SUV's all use an IRS(independent rear suspension) set-up while the pick-up's use solid axle as all full size pick-ups do.

    I did not trash any car for any reason. It is simply a matter of taste, a taste that myself and quite a few other people share. The '02-'05 Explorer is not as refined as the latest SUV's, and that's to be expected as new SUV's roll of the assembly lines like crazy. A car company can't afford to stay idle in the SUV business long. Why do you think Ford is heavily revising the Explorer after only 3 years of it's current production?

    I am glad to hear that you enjoy your Explorer, as most owners on this forum do not(Jeep owners are not exempt, however at much lower numbers)

    As for the XC90, it's not different in the technique that was used but is different in many ways, the greatest being it's car based.

    I think all cars should be based on what the intended purpose is, and the Explorer and Commander are in the same league however they dance to an entirely different drum.(hope that's not "bashing".).:)

    Hon. Justin P. Spencer, ESQ.PLC
  • explorerx4explorerx4 Member Posts: 20,722
    i'm glad you agree with me about the indended purpose. jeeps are pretty hard to beat for maximum factory off roading expertise. the explorer gives some of that up for a more efficient everyday package. in other words it puts more of a priority on passenger capacity. being a ford truck it also has towing as a priority.
    funny, i see mostly jeeps 'in the ditch' during the winter. i don't fault the vehicle, but the ignorant driver.
    2024 Ford F-150 STX, 2023 Ford Explorer ST, 91 Mustang GT vert
  • meganbmeganb Member Posts: 14
    Ah...what dealer did they pick theirs up from?
  • blkhemiblkhemi Member Posts: 1,717
    Not sure the exact dealer, however it was either in or near Marina Del Rey.
  • meganbmeganb Member Posts: 14
    i wonder where....maybe Buerge Jeep in west l.a....unless they got it from carmax, there isnt a jeep dealer in MDR. buerge gives good deals, but maybe they got it in torrance.
  • wpawpa Member Posts: 4
    well I contacted another dealer last week and they do want to get involved. However I might be getting somewhere with the owner. I will find out Monday when I press him into trading me out into the Silver V-8. I have the six right now and maybe thats the problem. Who knows. After getting the COmmander out of service Friday I had the Service Manager and the Service Technician ride with me and it began to howl. They were baffled as was I. They have resealed the front windshield and replaced the molding around the window. Now the A/C control valve has to be replaced. This could solve the right air duct leak. I believe it is all conected. I love the Commanders ride and comfort and the box look. It by far beats out or 2003 Explore we traded in. My wife wants to buy the Eddier Baur Expidition. I would still prefer a Limited Commander if it doesn't have the same issues. Anyway thanks and good luck with yours.
  • blkhemiblkhemi Member Posts: 1,717
    Man, I hope that works out to where you could step up to at least the 4.7L. It is a great motor. I don't think they'll give you a HEMI unless you are really p'ed off. As for the other dealer, they actully can get into serious trouble with DC for not taking at crack at your Comm. for one reason: WARRANTY. They have to honor it at every Jeep dealer, contrary to popular belief.

    Explorer4X4 isn't going to be happy that you think the Commander is BETTER than the Explorer. I think so too. I haven't found to many people who are reporting your problem on the Limited's.

    If they are still yanking you around after this, get in touch with the field rep for DC in your area. The dealership have to give the contact info to you. Usually by the time it gets to him/her, the problem usually gets resolved, especially in a case like yours where they can't figure out the problem.

    Hope all works out well and let me know how it turns out
  • blkhemiblkhemi Member Posts: 1,717
    I've tried to contact them to no avail. It may have been Buerge. Have you tried getting a deal with them?
  • explorerx4explorerx4 Member Posts: 20,722
    i hope everyone is happy with their vehicle choice. my point is that it depends what what you want it for.
    i hope that wpa becomes a satisfied customer, although their choice would not be mine.
    2024 Ford F-150 STX, 2023 Ford Explorer ST, 91 Mustang GT vert
  • taketheoffertaketheoffer Member Posts: 26
    Pulled the trigger on a Limited Silver Hemi Commander. Loaded. Nav, Rims, Tires, DVD, uconnect, etc... for invoice less rebates and taking me out of my lease 4 months early.

    Had to Hemi it before Holidays and before anyone else gets one. I figured I would give myself an early gift and will be in it tommorow afternoon. I can only hope I am half as happy as blkhemi...
  • blkhemiblkhemi Member Posts: 1,717
    The very first time you stomp that accelerator, you'll be grinning from now on. CAREFUL: don't end up like me in driving the heck out of so much that the attendants at the Shell gas stations know me on a first name basis.(lol)

    All jokes aside, you'll be markedly more impressed with performance and equippment you're getting over the heavily taxed V-6 version. Why did DC put a V-6 in something that weighs 5200 puonds? Beats me. Getting you out of your lease 4-months early is worth it.

    Let me know when you take delivery so I can show you how to remove that permanent smile.:)
  • melvinpmelvinp Member Posts: 10
    One day short of a week with the Commander. I've taken it from NY to MD (1000miles Round Trip). Plus some in town travels, and the wife has had it in the snow today. So far.....AWESOME!
  • rs_pettyrs_petty Member Posts: 423
    I'm considering a Commander. Does anyone else find the small fuel tank a drawback? Also wondering what best guesses are for when diesel model will be available. Thanks.
  • blkhemiblkhemi Member Posts: 1,717
    The fuel tank is on the small side. However when you take into account that the Explorer, 4-Runner, Pilot/MDX, and Trailblazer all are around the same, give or take a couple of gallons, it really isn't that big of a deal. I usually get a 320 mile range in realistic driving. That's better than I got in my '04 JGC HEMI that I got rid of to get the Comm.

    As for the diesel, word is out that DC is working on getting TIER 2 low-sulfur certification in the U.S. for it's extremely popular Euro diesel in the '07 model year. It packs 379lbs of torque in Europe. However it only has 265 horsepower. However, DC says that its performance should mirror the HEMI's. And it will out tow it to 8500 pounds. That's more than some full-size trucks and SUV's
  • blkhemiblkhemi Member Posts: 1,717
    Welcome to the club Mel. How did that highway ride measure up to, say, a Ford Explorer's? Quite good I 'm willing to bet.
  • melvinpmelvinp Member Posts: 10
    I'm not a Ford guy, as my grandfather used to say:
    (F)ix Or (R)epair (D)aily or (F)ound (O)n the (R)oad (D)ead.

    Any way this is my first real foray into the American Truck/Car market (I am the son of a GM emplyoee). It rides comparable and is appointed among the likes of the 04 BMW5 and the 05 AcuraCL that we have in the house. I rode in a friend’s Trailblazer and this is better if I remember correctly. It's not boaty and sluggish feeling like the bigger trucks that I've rode in (Suburban/Tahoe/Naviagtor). First Jeep for me, and it pretty nice! Let's just see how it holds up...... :) I hope I do not regret spending the extra scratch for a Seuioa or an LR3..
  • blkhemiblkhemi Member Posts: 1,717
    "I hope I do not regret spending the extra scratch for a Sequoia or an LR3".

    I seriously doubt it.

    P.S.- That would've been a lot of scratch, especially for the LR3 which is in it's fully loaded version about $20k higher.

    Good luck with it and enjoy.:)
  • taketheoffertaketheoffer Member Posts: 26
    Picked up silver Hemi yesterday. At the same time a guy was picking up a black limited and regretted not getting the Hemi (and the chrome wheels). I almost felt bad for him. My first thoughts a quite positive. Initially it feels BIG, but after a few miles and a few turns it feels very friendly & familiar. The Navigation is great. I was quite surprised after hearing negative comments. The Hemi is powerful but seems subdued compared to my JGC 4.7 HO. The shifts, noise and throw you back in the seat gear chirping pull of the HO is not present in the Hemi. That is not a bad thing. The Hemi is much smoother, but it is apparent why the HO's #s are still better (0-60, 1/4 mi). But it still smoked an x5 4.4 off the line. I either took him by surprise, or the BMW is a dog.

    The look of the dash & panel at night (with Nav) looks great. It reminds me of the new MLs. This is also not the car for those looking to blend in. FYI: A Sequoia is invisible next this thing. Also had an LR3 chase me down in a parking lot for a closer look.

    The only bad is the blind-spots... WOW. You have to learn to use the side mirrors & back up sensors quickly. With 3rd row up, the rear window is useless. Even a child seat in the 2nd row limits your vision. I guess the idea is to use the hemi to pass everyone an not look back:)

    Anyway, thoroughly enjoying the ride. Notice the wife stole it from me already this morning. Now I have to find her keys.
  • cportercporter Member Posts: 2
    Hi,
    just wanted to say hello and be enthusiastic about my new Jeep Commander. I've had my light khaki Comm for a couple weeks and really love it so far. It's got the 4.7l engine and a just a few of the more useful options, including heated seats, tow package and Sirius radio (didn't really know I wanted that but I love it so far.)

    I work in downtown Detroit and enjoy seeing truckloads of Comms from the factory out Jefferson Avenue as they head out of town -- nice to drive a hometown product. Let's hope the quality bears up for many many miles down the road.

    Anyone tried the rear compartment rubber mat yet, or the rubber 'slush' mats? How about the light bar and driving lights for the front end? I'm thinking about all those add-ons. I'm planning on some small boat towing and lots hunting/fishing trips. I'd love to see this forum stay very active and will do my share in contributing.

    Best,

    Craig
    Dearborn, MI
  • blkhemiblkhemi Member Posts: 1,717
    I thought the same thing about my '03 JGC Overland with the 4.7L H.O. motor. It does seem to be faster than the Commander HEMI. Then I discovered why. It is 600 pounds lighter! But my Commander is more fun to drive because it has a much nicer ride and suspension tuning(independent front suspension vs. solid axles f/r). I too have smoked a plenty of unsuspecting Merc and Bimmer SUV drivers and to their surprise my Overland was bone stock. I did use premium fuel as I do in my Commander now. It feels about a half second slower than the H.O. at the most, but it is worth it for the refinement and comfort that comes with it. You could put a cold-air intake on to make up the difference as I have.

    0-60 in 6.88 sec(quicker than the stock H.O. 4.7L)
    1/4 mile in 14.8 sec ( 0.7 quicker than the H.O.)

    I now have Corsa dual exhaust, Hypertech Tuner, Mobil 1 Full Synthetic Oil, among other performance goodies. It may be quicker than the 6.8 sec to 60 since I've got more parts on it.
  • taketheoffertaketheoffer Member Posts: 26
    I agree with you on the ride. MY HO was also stock and gobbled up most other SUVs on the road. It did have the factory 3" chrome exhaust which made a very intimidating growl. I would love to replicate that with the new Commander, but want to play with it stock for a little while. I would also think the transmission differences have alot to do with it. The Commander is a much smoother & controlled shift while the HO was rough to say the least (probably "violent" would be a better description). The look of a BMW, ML or Cay S driver of horror after toasting their incredibly overpriced sleds is priceless.

    As an FYI I am at a whopping 9.5 MPG with 100 miles in. Hopefully that is just an initial abnormality Ouch:( Good think I didn't buy it for the fuel economy.
  • blkhemiblkhemi Member Posts: 1,717
    You should see your MPG go up after the intial break in. After about 500 miles in gentle driving it started to creep up. Right now I average roughly 18 mpg, which great for a truck with this much power and mass.

    I "out-ran" a guy today in his hugely over expensive Land Rover LR3 HSE (for not letting more over into the next lane, SoCal drivers, need I say more?). SO when we pulled to the next light, he asked "THAT THING GOT A HEMI?" I replied, you wanna find out again? Needless to say he was not a happy camper to find out that his $60k British piece of junk got out-paced by a $40k all-American icon.

    My '03 H.O. is "crude". But in some ways, I think that goes along with a Jeep, so I have no problems with it. I believe it's the Up-Country suspension that makes it ride so firmly. It's like riding in a Cadillac in the Commander compared with the Overland. My tranny also shifts rough at times(thought it was just mine until I found this forum) The 6-cyl JGC shifts better despite having just 4-gears compared to 5 in the V-8 models.
  • mark156mark156 Member Posts: 1,915
    Blkhemi, you sound like a teenager trying to pop off the line with the Land Rover. You are not comparing apples to apples. The Land Rover has a 4.4 300 hp engine, you have the 5.7 HEMI 330 hp engine.... and, I think you said you made a few modifications that might give more "umphth".

    As I have said in the past, the Commander was at the top of my list but it has fallen off the #1 spot. I know the Jeep is the cheapest of the bunch that I'm looking at but after seeing the Jeep for the second and third time, these are the problems that I have with it:
    (these are just my opinion)
    1) The third tow seats are too high when folded down.
    2) The exposed screw bolts that are all over the vehicle; in the headlight assembly's, the dash board, the side wheel wells, etc.... make it look like a tonka toy vs. a refined SUV. I'm thinking I will have to keep a box of Q-tips with me every time I wash my Jeep to keep the crevices clean.
    3) The second row is tight for leg room for this to be an extended chassis.
    4) The passenger seat that is only a "4-way" power seat bugs me for this price range (I know, you are the only one in the world with a fully automatic passenger power seat) :surprise:

    I have not ruled out the Jeep totally, the LR3 has passed it on my short list. I like the fact that in the LR3, you can put a 6'2" person in the 3rd seat comfortablely I don't usually carry children, it's usually adults that will getting back there. The LR3 has completely flat folding third seats and I do like the split tailgate feature rather than the full lift gate.

    Having the biggest engine is nice but not a requirement for me.... My Mercedes 5.0 liter ML500 has 288 hp and the 300 hp in the Land Rover should be just fine for me.

    Reliability on both the Jeep and the Land Rover have me holding back, if the new Jeep is anything like the other two Grand Cherokee Limited's I had, I will not be experiencing anything different with the Land Rover.

    I still have yet to drive any of the vehicles on my list as I'm still trying to compare features, interior size, etc. The test drives will come shortly.

    Mark :D
    2010 Land Rover LR4, 2013 Honda CR-V, 2009 Bentley GTC, 1990 MB 500SL, 2001 MB S500, 2007 Lincoln TC, 1964 RR Silver Cloud III, 1995 MB E320 Cab., 2015 Prevost Liberty Coach
  • blkhemiblkhemi Member Posts: 1,717
    In both the previous CR and Car and Driver issues, they have the LR3 faster than the Commander, despite having the HEMI. There is a reason for that. The LR3 uses a 6-speed tranny that has super short 1,2,3 gears, thus giving it a huge advantage. However, with Merc's new 7-speed going in the ML, the LR3 doesn't stand a chance. The Commander is within a couple hundred pounds of the LR3's weight so,IMO the LR3 should not have a problem, despite having 30 less hp.

    There is a lot to like in both vehicles. The LR3 is roomier and airy. The Jeep is tighter but much more nimble on the road. The LR3 is very pondorous and floaty, even with the air suspension turned to sport mode.

    As for reliability, both products have been scared by pass subpar vehicles in terms of quality. However, Land Rover's track record is far more horrid than Jeep. Just on this forum alone people are talking about setting fire to their "money pits" Disco I's and II's.

    I've driven Jeeps since it wasn't cool to drive them. So it's sort of a hertiage and preference thing with me. Both of these trucks serve well on the intended plan: Tackle anything Mother Nature can throw.

    P.S. This old gray-haired 61-year old is far from being a teenager trying to pop, of all things a down-sized school bus-hmm, LR3 off the line.

    Justin
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