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I thought about that too. (New Model), but after I drove it, and realized it was under warranty. I couldn't stop from getting it.
I was able to get a discount on it. Most dealers are selling below invoice.
The Volvo is a very nice vehicle, however, I had to go with Jeep because of the off-road capabilities.
Thanks,
Kevin
Kevin
I see these words changed inadvertently and want to make sure we are on the same page.
I would definitely want my price to be below MSRP and as close to invoice as I can get it if I decided to choose the Commander.
Also, since the the drivetrain and many other components are shared with the Grand Cherokee, I feel that the first model of the Commander might be OK with little or no issues. (hopefully)
Thanks, Mark
I mean below dealer cost (or at least what we think dealer cost is).
Plus there were some rebates.
Exactly, the drive train Quadra Drive 2 is the same as the JGC Ltd. Very solid! Plus all the little extras (ESP, All-Spped Traction, Side Airbags, Anti-Roll, & Park Sense) are standard.
Can't beat the value.
Kevin
P.S.- 2 clients of mine just bought their new Commander Limited HEMI 4WD yesterday in Malibu for $6000 under dealer invoice. That's $35k for a $44k SUV. Told you those end of year deals are great. They took one ride in mine and fell in love. He says that it rides and accelerates better than his $57k Land Rover LR3. She says that it is dynamically better than her $66k VW Touareg V10 TD. Go figure. I guess it's not how much you spend but what you spend it on.
P.S. again-- My Commander was NOT supposed to have a 6-way seat which the tracks and seat controls were for a 300C. Wasn't charged for the extra postions. I guess I got a freebie since it was special ordered.
Justin P. Spencer, ESQ,PLC
Steve, Host
of course a hemi is going to beat the explorer in a drag race. i just disagree with the rest of your post.
since the commander is based on the jgc, it is a stretched version. the explorer and mountaineer use the same chassis. i'm just trying to get the facts, although everyone is entitled to their opinion.
How much did you get off MSRP for the speical order?
Thanks, Mark
I must admit the '06 Explorer is a nice piece. The revisions to the suspension and the interior/exterior makes it more of a viable purchase. And the new 292-hp 3-valve V8 is much better and cleaner than the 2-valve 239-hp unit. It is worth a look. The one I looked at was a '05 E.B. and wasn't nowhere near as good as the '06.
My DC order rep and I are still pondering over how the six-way seat found it's way into the Commander because I didn't ask for it. I didn't even think of it.
I got about 4 grand off MSRP. I think it was well worth it.
each has their own advantages, which is why they were designed that way.
my wimpy 2v explorer has never failed up take the biggest inclines (in the northeast from vermont, to south carolina, to michigan) with up to 4-5 passengers, cargo top carrier, and up to 4 bicycles hanging off the rear hitch with any problems. usually i drive at 75-80 mph, if possible. gas mileage is between 17-19 on these trips. works for me.
I never said the 2V V-8 was weak. I'm just repeating what Ford said about their own vehicle. The new 3V V-8 has been certified ULEVII status while the 2-V was LEV. It also gets markedly better mileage (18/22 city/hwy) over it's predessor. This is why Mercedes has been using 3-V head designed vehicles for years.
I live in both SoCal and Maine and my "non-streched" Commander can tackle the brudish terrain that my lovely state is made of. We have snow that will leave an Explorer without limited slip diffs( LSD's) stranded for sure. I should know with experience having rescued 3 neighbors who adorned their precious Explorer E.B.'s and Limited's until the blizzard of '05. I had my JGC Limited HEMI 4WD then and since the Commander has all the same running gear, I'll be prepared to save the "less" fortunate this year.:))
NY State, new plates, no trade.
2006 COMMANDER LIMITED 4X4 H Pkg.
- P245/65R17 OWL All Terrain Tires $190.00
- 17" x 7.5" Aluminum Chrome Clad Wheels $820.00
- Trailer Tow Group IV $255.00
- DVD-based GPS Navigation System with 6-CD/MP3 Chngr $1,200.00
- Quadra-Drive® II 4WD System $650.00
MSRP $42,015
I appologize that I don't know all of the details as to Invoice, MF, etc.
If that makes sense!
(it makes since.:)
If so it looks like a good deal compared to what I have been seeing. The best I have seen is same exact car for around $520 mo with no $ down (just tax) and using pull ahead incentive (early lease trade in $1000 value).
My taxes are 8% if that helps. I only pretty much put down taxes and applicable fees.
my '02 explorer eb has 'traction lock' which is ford-speak for limited slip.
did my homework and here is what i came up with: expedition has a totally different chassis than an F150. went back to '02 when they were the closest. expy has smaller wheelbase than any F150.
wife is 'lnforming' me that dinner, cooked by one of the kids, id ready. i
ll get back later.
see, i did get a bit hurried at the end of that post.
one of my points is, if a a commnader is a modified JGC, why is an xc90 any different? even if the basic platform is 8 years old, maybe some improvements were made.
it is great to enjoy the commander, but do that for what it is, not based on trashing another vehicle.
Let's gets some clarity on the facts:
The F-150/Lincoln LT/Lincoln Navigator/Ford Expedition all share Fords full size platfrom, just in different sizes and suspensions. The SUV's all use an IRS(independent rear suspension) set-up while the pick-up's use solid axle as all full size pick-ups do.
I did not trash any car for any reason. It is simply a matter of taste, a taste that myself and quite a few other people share. The '02-'05 Explorer is not as refined as the latest SUV's, and that's to be expected as new SUV's roll of the assembly lines like crazy. A car company can't afford to stay idle in the SUV business long. Why do you think Ford is heavily revising the Explorer after only 3 years of it's current production?
I am glad to hear that you enjoy your Explorer, as most owners on this forum do not(Jeep owners are not exempt, however at much lower numbers)
As for the XC90, it's not different in the technique that was used but is different in many ways, the greatest being it's car based.
I think all cars should be based on what the intended purpose is, and the Explorer and Commander are in the same league however they dance to an entirely different drum.(hope that's not "bashing".).:)
Hon. Justin P. Spencer, ESQ.PLC
funny, i see mostly jeeps 'in the ditch' during the winter. i don't fault the vehicle, but the ignorant driver.
Explorer4X4 isn't going to be happy that you think the Commander is BETTER than the Explorer. I think so too. I haven't found to many people who are reporting your problem on the Limited's.
If they are still yanking you around after this, get in touch with the field rep for DC in your area. The dealership have to give the contact info to you. Usually by the time it gets to him/her, the problem usually gets resolved, especially in a case like yours where they can't figure out the problem.
Hope all works out well and let me know how it turns out
i hope that wpa becomes a satisfied customer, although their choice would not be mine.
Had to Hemi it before Holidays and before anyone else gets one. I figured I would give myself an early gift and will be in it tommorow afternoon. I can only hope I am half as happy as blkhemi...
All jokes aside, you'll be markedly more impressed with performance and equippment you're getting over the heavily taxed V-6 version. Why did DC put a V-6 in something that weighs 5200 puonds? Beats me. Getting you out of your lease 4-months early is worth it.
Let me know when you take delivery so I can show you how to remove that permanent smile.:)
As for the diesel, word is out that DC is working on getting TIER 2 low-sulfur certification in the U.S. for it's extremely popular Euro diesel in the '07 model year. It packs 379lbs of torque in Europe. However it only has 265 horsepower. However, DC says that its performance should mirror the HEMI's. And it will out tow it to 8500 pounds. That's more than some full-size trucks and SUV's
(F)ix Or (R)epair (D)aily or (F)ound (O)n the (R)oad (D)ead.
Any way this is my first real foray into the American Truck/Car market (I am the son of a GM emplyoee). It rides comparable and is appointed among the likes of the 04 BMW5 and the 05 AcuraCL that we have in the house. I rode in a friend’s Trailblazer and this is better if I remember correctly. It's not boaty and sluggish feeling like the bigger trucks that I've rode in (Suburban/Tahoe/Naviagtor). First Jeep for me, and it pretty nice! Let's just see how it holds up......
I seriously doubt it.
P.S.- That would've been a lot of scratch, especially for the LR3 which is in it's fully loaded version about $20k higher.
Good luck with it and enjoy.:)
The look of the dash & panel at night (with Nav) looks great. It reminds me of the new MLs. This is also not the car for those looking to blend in. FYI: A Sequoia is invisible next this thing. Also had an LR3 chase me down in a parking lot for a closer look.
The only bad is the blind-spots... WOW. You have to learn to use the side mirrors & back up sensors quickly. With 3rd row up, the rear window is useless. Even a child seat in the 2nd row limits your vision. I guess the idea is to use the hemi to pass everyone an not look back:)
Anyway, thoroughly enjoying the ride. Notice the wife stole it from me already this morning. Now I have to find her keys.
just wanted to say hello and be enthusiastic about my new Jeep Commander. I've had my light khaki Comm for a couple weeks and really love it so far. It's got the 4.7l engine and a just a few of the more useful options, including heated seats, tow package and Sirius radio (didn't really know I wanted that but I love it so far.)
I work in downtown Detroit and enjoy seeing truckloads of Comms from the factory out Jefferson Avenue as they head out of town -- nice to drive a hometown product. Let's hope the quality bears up for many many miles down the road.
Anyone tried the rear compartment rubber mat yet, or the rubber 'slush' mats? How about the light bar and driving lights for the front end? I'm thinking about all those add-ons. I'm planning on some small boat towing and lots hunting/fishing trips. I'd love to see this forum stay very active and will do my share in contributing.
Best,
Craig
Dearborn, MI
0-60 in 6.88 sec(quicker than the stock H.O. 4.7L)
1/4 mile in 14.8 sec ( 0.7 quicker than the H.O.)
I now have Corsa dual exhaust, Hypertech Tuner, Mobil 1 Full Synthetic Oil, among other performance goodies. It may be quicker than the 6.8 sec to 60 since I've got more parts on it.
As an FYI I am at a whopping 9.5 MPG with 100 miles in. Hopefully that is just an initial abnormality Ouch:( Good think I didn't buy it for the fuel economy.
I "out-ran" a guy today in his hugely over expensive Land Rover LR3 HSE (for not letting more over into the next lane, SoCal drivers, need I say more?). SO when we pulled to the next light, he asked "THAT THING GOT A HEMI?" I replied, you wanna find out again? Needless to say he was not a happy camper to find out that his $60k British piece of junk got out-paced by a $40k all-American icon.
My '03 H.O. is "crude". But in some ways, I think that goes along with a Jeep, so I have no problems with it. I believe it's the Up-Country suspension that makes it ride so firmly. It's like riding in a Cadillac in the Commander compared with the Overland. My tranny also shifts rough at times(thought it was just mine until I found this forum) The 6-cyl JGC shifts better despite having just 4-gears compared to 5 in the V-8 models.
As I have said in the past, the Commander was at the top of my list but it has fallen off the #1 spot. I know the Jeep is the cheapest of the bunch that I'm looking at but after seeing the Jeep for the second and third time, these are the problems that I have with it:
(these are just my opinion)
1) The third tow seats are too high when folded down.
2) The exposed screw bolts that are all over the vehicle; in the headlight assembly's, the dash board, the side wheel wells, etc.... make it look like a tonka toy vs. a refined SUV. I'm thinking I will have to keep a box of Q-tips with me every time I wash my Jeep to keep the crevices clean.
3) The second row is tight for leg room for this to be an extended chassis.
4) The passenger seat that is only a "4-way" power seat bugs me for this price range (I know, you are the only one in the world with a fully automatic passenger power seat) :surprise:
I have not ruled out the Jeep totally, the LR3 has passed it on my short list. I like the fact that in the LR3, you can put a 6'2" person in the 3rd seat comfortablely I don't usually carry children, it's usually adults that will getting back there. The LR3 has completely flat folding third seats and I do like the split tailgate feature rather than the full lift gate.
Having the biggest engine is nice but not a requirement for me.... My Mercedes 5.0 liter ML500 has 288 hp and the 300 hp in the Land Rover should be just fine for me.
Reliability on both the Jeep and the Land Rover have me holding back, if the new Jeep is anything like the other two Grand Cherokee Limited's I had, I will not be experiencing anything different with the Land Rover.
I still have yet to drive any of the vehicles on my list as I'm still trying to compare features, interior size, etc. The test drives will come shortly.
Mark
There is a lot to like in both vehicles. The LR3 is roomier and airy. The Jeep is tighter but much more nimble on the road. The LR3 is very pondorous and floaty, even with the air suspension turned to sport mode.
As for reliability, both products have been scared by pass subpar vehicles in terms of quality. However, Land Rover's track record is far more horrid than Jeep. Just on this forum alone people are talking about setting fire to their "money pits" Disco I's and II's.
I've driven Jeeps since it wasn't cool to drive them. So it's sort of a hertiage and preference thing with me. Both of these trucks serve well on the intended plan: Tackle anything Mother Nature can throw.
P.S. This old gray-haired 61-year old is far from being a teenager trying to pop, of all things a down-sized school bus-hmm, LR3 off the line.
Justin