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  • blkhemiblkhemi Posts: 1,717
    My JGC was a custom factory order with options that you can't get at the dealer. It has a 3" lift with 18" wheels among other goodies. I did this for warranty purposes. The Commander that I just bought this morning was a fully tricked out "regular" version. It stickered for a smidge over $44 grand. DC ended up cutting me a $4200 check because my JGC only had 3400 miles on it and I was not taking less than $38000 for it. DC just cut the prices of the Commander plus with all of their incentives that they gave me, it was worth it. I told them that my Jeep wouldn't be on your lot for a day. Sure enough as they took it to the back to get prepped up and brought out and put it on the rack, someone bought it for $42k. It's funny how dealers work isn't it? So to answer your question, I beat them at their own game!
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  • jeepxkjeepxk Posts: 8
    I didn't know you could order a 3" lift and larger wheels straight from the factory??
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  • blkhemiblkhemi Posts: 1,717
    Yeah you can. I was informed by my local Mopar rep about two years ago about it. Not only can you get suspension and wheel/tire upgrades, but there is a host of electronics and engine upgrades available. I looked at it as DC cashing in on the aftermarket billions of dollars that it generates every year. I looked into, and turns out that I saved $700 over what I would've paid my local suspension shop to do the work. All with a factory warranty. You gotta love it. I don't know if you are a Wrangler lover or not, but DC had one on display at this year's SEMA and every upgrade on it was done at the factory and I must say that it looked like something that Stacey would do on Spike TV's Trucks show. Problem with factory is that you must come ready to buy. DC promises that all of their models will be available from factory special order.
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  • marsha7marsha7 Posts: 3,703
    Just what, if I may ask, is "bling-bling"?????????????... :D ;) :shades:
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  • blkhemiblkhemi Posts: 1,717
    Bling-Bling is , at least this is what my son told me, something that is overly shiny or overly styled.(ie: My neighbor across the street from me has a 2000 Cadillac Deville. The standard grille on the car was already shiny enough. But no. He had to put a GOLD grille on the front of that fancy ride. BLING-BLING)
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  • dlcleavksdlcleavks Posts: 20
    Is the 3" lift the highest the factory will go? Are the upgrades listed on the build sheet?
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  • blkhemiblkhemi Posts: 1,717
    I believe 3" is the highest they'll go on the JGC and Liberty. The Wrangler I saw at the plant was 5". Not for sure if they are listed on the build sheet.
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  • dlcleavksdlcleavks Posts: 20
    Ok, thanks for the info.
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  • sfortnumsfortnum Posts: 1
    I just received the detailed pricing info etc on the Commander from my dealer. I have owned three of the classic cherokees and switched to a Dakota Quad cab in 2003. While the Dakota is okay I miss driving a Jeep.

    My main reason for getting a Dakota over anything elese including the Grand Cherokee, was the availability of an upgraded leather interior with a manual tansmission. Grands used to have 5 speeds in the early 90s but they were dropped. Why has Jeep forsaken the 5 speed drivers?

    If the Commander had a manual I would dump my Dakota tomorrow.
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  • borchone1borchone1 Posts: 14
    In the market for a new SUV. Wanting to trade my Bravada in and today drove a Commander, H3 and Envoy. H3 won hands down, but Commander was a close second. Envoy is nice but just a old mans SUV. All will get about 18 to 20 MPG. All about $30 to 35. equipped nice. Envoy dealer still has new 04s on his lot and alot of 05s even after the employee pricing. What does that say. Commander offers a $1500 rebate and $500 Vets rebate. H3 is pretty much sticker and dealer has 80 on his lot. A H3 with Auto and 33' tire off road package is about $33,000. He knows he has a tough looking product and at this point doesn't have to give it away. Anyone looking at the Commander, test a Hummer H3. I've got a Rubicon and will keep it until death do us part and have been a Jeep man since 1985, but that H3 is sweet and really stands out.
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  • mark156mark156 Posts: 2,006
    Just got back from the dealership to look at the Commander. I like the shape as it makes it stand out from the other brands. I've owned two Jeep Grand Cherokee Limited's ('96 and '99).

    When it was time to trade the '99 Jeep, I was wanting a third seat and bought a 2002 Mercedes ML500. The third seat has worked just fine and now that I'm ready to trade again, I've found out that the new ML's don't offer a third seat. Mercedes wants you to move up to the new R-class. It's nice but a loaded R-class will be close to $70,000.

    The Commander that I saw on the lot today was loaded with the Hemi and listed for about $41,000. It didn't have the nav of which I'm assuming is an option. I haven't read the brochure yet but will read it cover to cover tonight.

    The third seat in the Commander wasn't that bad, about the same as my ML, although my ML has a little dip in the floor-board to put your feet. Also, exiting the 2 row seat is typical of Jeep products... the wheel well intrudes which narrows the exit space.

    All and all, I am strongly considering the Commander. I want to test the 4.7 vs the 5.7 HEMI. Also, I don't want the ride to be like a log truck, my last Grand Cherokee was quite smooth. The ML's ride is rather rough.

    I read briefly that the 5.7 HEMI has the ability to cut off 4 of the 8 cylinders at highway speeds..... I can't help but think of the Cadillac Sedan DeVills of the early 1980's (the V8-6-4)...what a catastrophy! Also, I had bought a GM diesel in 1981.... I won't go there. :mad:

    Looking forward to reading more about the Commander.

    Mark :D
    2010 Land Rover LR4, 2013 Honda CR-V, 2009 Bentley GTC, 1990 MB 500SL, 2001 MB S500, 2007 Lincoln TC, 1964 RR Silver Cloud III, 1995 MB E320 Cab., 2015 Prevost Liberty Coach
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  • blkhemiblkhemi Posts: 1,717
    Hey Mark, let me be the first to tell you that the Commander is light-years ahead of your '02 ML. Sure the Merc has the brand and prestige that upper crust consumers expect. However, it never quite had the performance(except for the ML55), ride quality, and interior materials to compete with the likes of BMW and even Jeep. You'd think since these 2 trucks are virtually cousins that they'd have some similarity. NOT. I almost made the fatal mistake of purchasing a ML500 when we outgrew our '02 Overland. Boy am I glad I didn't do it. Every one complains about the stiff ride and the cheap interior. And this is a Merc. So I just ended up leasing a Yukon Denali XL for the wife. Oh, don't get me wrong, I kept my faithfullness to Jeep. I also bought a '05 JGC 5.7L HEMI fully loaded for my own personal transport. Then Jeep kept sending me brochures in the mail about the Commander. Needless to say, we turned the GMC in and I traded my JGC in on the Commander 5.7L HEMI 4X4 with navi. All told, it's an awesome vehicle with huge bang for the buck. I'd strongly consider getting the HEMI over the 4.7L. While the 4.7L is a great motor as it was in my '02 Overland, it just doesn't have the gusto the HEMI provides. Remember, the Commander weighs over 5,000 pounds so the more power the better.

    P.S. Don't let those salesmen make fun of you when you unload that burden of a SUV ML500 off on them. I'm pretty sure they'll make fun as you are trading a Merc in on a Jeep. We'll see who gets the last laugh.:)
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  • mark156mark156 Posts: 2,006
    Blkhemi, don't miss understand me, I'm a previous Jeep owner. Believe me, I look closely at interiors as I have 5 Mercedes and one Rolls Royce in my household... so I know about interiors. The new Jeep is not quite the level of my ML but close. The grey plastic on the dash is a little cheap looking but I can live with that. All of the other aspects of the interior are OK and acceptable at $40,000.

    My ML500 has a 5.0 with 288 hp which is nice for the size and weight. I appreciate your opinion of the 5.7 as I would like the 330 hp.

    My third seat is a little more comfortable but I like the flat folding third seats of the Jeep. It would be nice if the new ML had a third row seat. The unibody would definitely make it ride smoother.

    The only draw back with buying a Jeep is that it brings back memories of my previous Jeeps... the '96 had to be towed in three times and the '99 had to be towed once. The ML has never had to be towed at almost 4 years of ownership.

    I'm hoping that Jeep has improved there quality now the Mercedes owns them. I like what I saw in the Commander and appreciate your feedback.

    One thing that I noticed is that the front passenger seat will not move up and down. And, they don't offer front "parktronic", only rear for the Jeep. I do like the opening rear glass separate then the lift gate. I'm not sure if the gate can be automatic or not. The Mercedes offer a cleaner looking "rainsensor" at the windshield. Every car has their positives and negatives.

    Mark

    PS. It would not have been a a fatal mistake in buying the ML.... it's just a preference. The GMC's have enough problems and quality issues of their own.
    2010 Land Rover LR4, 2013 Honda CR-V, 2009 Bentley GTC, 1990 MB 500SL, 2001 MB S500, 2007 Lincoln TC, 1964 RR Silver Cloud III, 1995 MB E320 Cab., 2015 Prevost Liberty Coach
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  • blkhemiblkhemi Posts: 1,717
    You're right on the GMC's. Mine died on me 6 TIMES throughout the lease. Once when I had just put $96 of GAS in it. I know about all of the Jeeps quality issues during the late '90s and early '00s. However, with Mercedes name riding on these new products rolling out of DC, I seriously doubt they'll risk their reputation for stellar build quality. However, Mercedes is not without fault. I bought my wife a 2003 S55 brand new. The motor went out in it @ 6,000 miles(before the first oil change). The car set idle at the local Merc dealer for 102 days because AMG didn't have any engines allocated for the U.S. for 6 MONTHS. Needless to say, if we'd paid for the repair it would've been $28,000. So after they got it fixed, the wife was a little reserved in driving the car that left her stranded at 3:00am on I-15 between Las Vegas and L.A. I eventually got her a CLS55 last month and still got $88K for the 2yr old Benz.( it only had 8100 miles on it)


    I agree with you that the Commander's interior is a notch below the Benz, but it is still acceptable for a $40K truck. Was the Commander you looked at Limited with the Yuma Brown leather? If so, the passenger seat should move up and down. Bummer about the Parktronic, but the front overhang is so short, you'll be able to see everything. Let me put your fears aside of the usual intial problem's Jeeps have. I got about 9600 miles on the odo, and have nary a problem. I acheive about 17.7 mpg, and this is with the HEMI. The cylinder shut-off is seamless in operation. You can't hear anything.

    The latest DC offerings are tops among domestic carmakers. I took the Commander in for the usual oil and lube change at the dealer. I told the service manager that I had to go to session and couldn't wait on the truck. They had a 300C for a loaner car. This car is a Merc in Chrysler clothes. It's performance and ride quality is characteristic with a Benz. After all, It borrowed the E-Class' rear suspension. Check it out if you haven't.

    J.P.S., ESQ
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  • mark156mark156 Posts: 2,006
    The Commander that I sat in was on the showroom floor and was a Limited, red with tutone tan leather. The drivers seat would not operate at all, the passenger seat would move forward and backward but not up and down. I'm really hoping that they offer fully automatic seats and this was just a very, very rare incident. ;)

    I did see a silver Limited on the lot that had the yuma saddle leather seats. I like the color of the leather but it looks like they pulled the seats out of another vehicle as the doors, carpet, dash, etc... are all a light grayish color, not really matching the seats. That looks a little funny to me although I like the saddle color.

    I'm surprised about your "S55" situation... very rare I'm sure but extremely frustrating. The Mercedes dealer should have given you a car to drive while yours was incapacitated, hopefully they did.

    You have picked a beautiful car for your wife to drive, the CLS is really attractive. My Mercedes' have been really good except with a few small gitches.

    I've never driven a 300C but I find it to be attractive and a good seller for DC.

    Keep us updated on how your Commander performs, I'll decide early December on what I want to trade for. I'll have about a month to look at other contenders before I make my final decision.

    Ciao, Mark :)
    2010 Land Rover LR4, 2013 Honda CR-V, 2009 Bentley GTC, 1990 MB 500SL, 2001 MB S500, 2007 Lincoln TC, 1964 RR Silver Cloud III, 1995 MB E320 Cab., 2015 Prevost Liberty Coach
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  • horst1horst1 Posts: 33
    Hi Johndodge,
    I have a question for you regarding the possible Diesel engine in the Jeep line up. Since Mercedes-Daimler bought Detroit Diesel where did the "DELTA" V6 Diesel engine go?
    This baby is perfect for all our needs here in Canada and in the USA.This engine was developed and built by Deetroit Diesel.The vital signs are as follows: V6 Diesel, direct injection( fuel rails), four valves per cylinder, single and twin turbo charged engines. 235HP and approx. 375 foot pound of torque @ 2000RPM for the single turbo charched version. Did Daimler Chrysler kill this marvel of a motor? If so WHY?. Can you shed some light on this please. Thank you very much,
    Horst
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  • blkhemiblkhemi Posts: 1,717
    The Yuma leather does look funny with that gray interior. However, my interior is a dark hue with the Yuma and it really dresses it up. Merc gave us a choice of a G55, M55,S600, SL600, or a E55. She chose the G55. If not for the kids, pretty sure we'd ended up with the SL. Funny how this is supposed to be a Commander post, but since you're a Merc guy, I was really interested in purchasing 1 of the last S65's remaining before they introduce the new S63's next month. I haven't read any reviews on it, but I have driven the SL65 and that thing was ridiculously fast. I just thought if I purchased the S65 I wouldn't look like I bought it for fun. Any thoughts? Oh, and the dealer quoted me $143K for it. The window sticker on the one I'm looking at is $171K. Good deal or not?

    As for the CLS, I've driven it once and that was from the dealer the day we bought it. It is a hoot to drive. I'd like to see BMW and Lexus respond to this one.

    Hopefully the competition isn't strong enough to steer you away from the Commander. There is a lot of value associated with this SUV.

    P.S.-- As I've learned about 2 hours ago, the early production Commander's seats weren't fully automated. But now all Commander Limited's seats are fully automated and work with the memory settings. I guess I got one of the first good ones.:)
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  • mark156mark156 Posts: 2,006
    I think the Commander is a strong contender as I want to look at the Land Rover LR3, Volvo XC90, Volvo wagon and even the Mercedes R-class. I'm just not crazy about the R-class as it looks too "Van-ish" to me. I'm sure it's a good driver but the looks hold it back.

    I'm glad to hear about the electric seats in the Commander, the passenger seat did not have the function of raising and lowering. I'm sure the Jeep dealer lots will be full by December when I make my decision.

    I don't usually like to buy the last model of any brand. The new 2007 S class will immediately depreciate the 2006 as the '07 will come out in March (from what I've read).

    Also if you are considering paying upwards of $150k for a car, you are in Bentley territory. I looked at the new Bentley Continental Flying Spur in Newport Beach and it is one nice looking vehicle. The wait is 6-8 months so I may consider a 2007 model. The list was $190,000 fully loaded. And, I'm sure they are going for list right now until things settle down. You can get a Bentley Arnage at a decent discount. A buddy of mine just bought a 2003 Arnage, black with tan leather, rear picnic tables... gorgeous... 11,000 pampered miles.

    I know we need to stick to the Commander topic, I could talk cars all day.

    Mark :P
    2010 Land Rover LR4, 2013 Honda CR-V, 2009 Bentley GTC, 1990 MB 500SL, 2001 MB S500, 2007 Lincoln TC, 1964 RR Silver Cloud III, 1995 MB E320 Cab., 2015 Prevost Liberty Coach
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  • mark156mark156 Posts: 2,006
    Blkhemi, are you sure that your passenger front seat is fully electric? I'm looking at the brochure that the dealership gave me and it shows the drivers seat is an 8-way electric and the passenger seat is a four-way electric.

    Also, how long have you had your Commander? How many miles do you have on it?

    Mark
    2010 Land Rover LR4, 2013 Honda CR-V, 2009 Bentley GTC, 1990 MB 500SL, 2001 MB S500, 2007 Lincoln TC, 1964 RR Silver Cloud III, 1995 MB E320 Cab., 2015 Prevost Liberty Coach
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  • taketheoffertaketheoffer Posts: 26
    My JGC Overland has been in the dealer's service shop as a regular since May. What Junk.
    Finally, the dealership's GM has stepped in and offers to take me out of my lease 4 months early. Great. (isn't that the point of the "drive ahead" program") And get this he will give me a GREAT price. Wow.

    Limited 4x4 with Navigation (thats it for options). He offers me a rock bottom sales price of a $37500 for a Base 4X4 Limited w/ Navigation.

    Question after researching this site... Isn't that above invoice? & without the $1500 cash back? The Lease #s are $540 a mo. PLUS Tax, tags & 1st Mo at driveoff. This doesn't seem right. Isn't there a DCX executive that was lurking here that I can speak with. I was ready to walk away from the brand (after 2 JGCs in a row 3 total) and was enticed back with an "incredible deal" for a Jeep loyalist & to compensate for me driving a loaner all summer (at Overland prices).

    Should I be disapponted? What does anyone else think of this.
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  • blkhemiblkhemi Posts: 1,717
    You probably got a early-release brochure. I had the same one. My passenger seat is a 6-way, including up and down. I've had my Commander since 9/12/2005. I've already made a trip from Malibu,CA to Vancouver and back. And this past Sunday we got in from Vail, Colorado. Already have 9600 miles on it and lovin' it. I went to Bentley of Beverly Hills the other day to check out the Flying Spur and the car is drop dead gorgeous. When asked if I could purchase the car they had on the showroom floor, the rep said sure as long as you've got $210K. WOW. I thought these things were supposed to open at $170K. I was later informed that they've just recently came down to list on the GT's. They had plenty of Arnage's on the lot "discounted".

    I think I'm probably going to wait to make a huge purchase like that until I see the new Maserati Quattroporte. I believe that someone on the forums said they're already for sale, but I've checked both East and West Coast Maserati dealers and they said that they are all on stand-by to recieve the cars. I've got a Audi A8 W-12 that I can be in style in until then.

    How does a Commander supposed to compete with the cars that we're all ranting about???:)
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  • mark156mark156 Posts: 2,006
    Blkhemi, yes, I may have received an early release brochure but the Commander on the showroom floor must have been an early release vehicle as the passenger seat button didn't move up or down. I'm hoping that the future Jeep Commanders have the six way power seat as you do.

    I have seen the Quattroporte driving around and they are nice looking cars. I think they list for about $160,000 or so. I will not, EVER, pay over MSRP for any car, it just goes against my grain.

    Edmunds says that TMV for the Commander is list price minus the $1,500 rebate. I was hoping to get at least $3,500 off in December, maybe I'll get more off, we'll see.

    Did you get a discount on your Commander, Blkhemi?

    Mark :D
    2010 Land Rover LR4, 2013 Honda CR-V, 2009 Bentley GTC, 1990 MB 500SL, 2001 MB S500, 2007 Lincoln TC, 1964 RR Silver Cloud III, 1995 MB E320 Cab., 2015 Prevost Liberty Coach
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  • wpawpa Posts: 4
    :lemon: Just bought one and it has hit the shop three times in less than a month. The fourth will be next week when the factory engineer comes down to figure out the problem. I have a loud whistle sound coming from the front windshield area. Also the A/C duct does not seal properly. Drove another model and it did not have the same problems. I purchased the V-6. Has anyone else experienced this problem? Would love to hear the troubles out there. However it rides great. Like the style.
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  • blkhemiblkhemi Posts: 1,717
    Mine listed for $43,185 BEFORE:
    $1500 Rebate
    $1000 Military Cash
    $2000 Owner Loyalty
    And because I was paying cash, my out the door charge was $35,900. Even got them to pay the taxes and license for me.

    Trust me Mark, there are deals to be made as we are in the middle of a energy crisis.

    I think you are making a great decision in waiting until December to buy. The end-of-year deals are fantastic, especially on domestic makes.
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  • blkhemiblkhemi Posts: 1,717
    I'm sorry to here about your mis-fortune with your Commander. Seems like your windshield wasn't sealed properly. Hopefully after all is said and done, your truck will be perfect. Mine has been flawless. And trust me, I look for things that the average consumer wouldn't even notice. Other than the huge gas bill I get because I like to hear that HEMI roar, it's a great ride.
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  • wpawpa Posts: 4
    They resealed the window and I made the Sales Manager ride with me and it started to howl. Who knows. Thanks for the feecdback.
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  • taketheoffertaketheoffer Posts: 26
    Is the HEMI worth the hype when compared to the Limited's standard 4.7? Obviously the cost isn't a factor (1200ish) I was more concerned with:
    1) Reliability of a high-end (high maintenance?) engine. I don't want to hear about cleaning injectors, carbon deposits, O2 sensors and fuel additives.
    2) Fuel:MPG & the fact that I will be compelled to drive a HEMI like I stole it (great sound at mid RPM) and see the instant MPG go to 0. On my current 4.7HO I average 13.3 MPG since new (52K).

    Also does the HEMI require premium grade?
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  • mark156mark156 Posts: 2,006
    Dear Take.... I have the same concerns as you, especially, the reliability part. The fuel economy on the 4.7 and the 5.7 HEMI are the same (15 city, 19 hwy). This is accomplished because the HEMI engine will run on 4 of the 8 cylinders at hwy speeds under low demand. Also, the multi-speed transmission contributes to the higher mpg's.

    Blkhemi, what kind of fuel are you putting in your Commander HEMI?

    Mark
    2010 Land Rover LR4, 2013 Honda CR-V, 2009 Bentley GTC, 1990 MB 500SL, 2001 MB S500, 2007 Lincoln TC, 1964 RR Silver Cloud III, 1995 MB E320 Cab., 2015 Prevost Liberty Coach
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  • blkhemiblkhemi Posts: 1,717
    I'm averaging roughly 17.9 MPG with about 65%city and 35% highway which really doesn't matter because as you know Mark, us SoCal living folks sit in idle traffic constantly. To put the reliability part to rest, Ward's named the HEMI one of the most sophisticated and reliable engines on the marketplace today. This same engine see's duty in almost a dozen DC vehicles, so they have to be reliable in order to survive. Over half of all Ram customers opt for the HEMI. 61% of all 300's are HEMI equipped. The Durango is sold with 47% HEMI-equipped models.It so bad with the Charger/Magnum DC is considering scaling back production of V6 models to just 21%.

    DC recommends mid-grade fuel for the 5.7 however regular is acceptable at a 5-10hp lost(big deal) And as I've stated before, the MDS works flawlessly. I use premium simply because I'm so used to putting premium in all of the Benz's and Audi's I've owned that it's like second nature. My brother uses regular and he tells me that he has never experienced any bucking or stalling and that the engine runs the same as when he bought it.
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  • tdo123tdo123 Posts: 102
    Today took one for a test drive. I can't believe how flawlessly it floated. I drove the HEMI and it was as quiet as my Lexus and darn near as torquey.

    Here is the question. The dealer told me that at Jeep, NAV can be traded in and out of cars. It is not a factory option. I thought with the antenna and all, that it needed to be a special order, but he said they swap then in and out all the time.

    Is this true. Have they made NAV that easy of an option??
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