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  • ab348ab348 Member Posts: 20,293
    Not to steal @andys120 's thunder, but the original shot of the Cities Service station in Lawrence that he posted had a companion shot where the photographer turned to his right. Not only does it seem to have the Fury that @tjc78 was looking for, but also what is apparently a very rare car indeed. Click to enlarge.

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  • stickguystickguy Member Posts: 53,389
    the black 2 door, or (I assume) the ratty convertible with the continental kit? Is that a caddy?

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  • omarmanomarman Member Posts: 2,702
    Finally! A continental kit on a Lincoln! Capri. Maybe 1953?
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  • fintailfintail Member Posts: 58,431
    Looks like that beast had a rough life.

    Funny trivia, a Lincoln Capri just like that was used for the mountain towing scene in "The Long Long Trailer" , modified to look like the Mercury seen in other scenes:

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  • andys120andys120 Member Posts: 23,670
    omarman said:

    Finally! A continental kit on a Lincoln! Capri. Maybe 1953?

    1953-54 Lincolns were very similar.

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  • andys120andys120 Member Posts: 23,670
    I'm pretty sure the dented Poncho is a '53 and look across the street to the right, it's a '57 Plymouth Fury w the upswept side trim.

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  • andys120andys120 Member Posts: 23,670
    How many can you name?


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  • fintailfintail Member Posts: 58,431
    I see 3 lovely classic cars and a modern thing.

    In the background going back, a 250GT Berlinetta Lusso (perhaps the most elegant Ferrari of all time, no modern Ferrari can hold a candle to it), and then a couple of maybe 250/330 GTE style cars.
  • ab348ab348 Member Posts: 20,293
    omarman said:

    Finally! A continental kit on a Lincoln! Capri. Maybe 1953?

    Commenters at the source site say it is a '54 but I have no expertise on that. The interesting thing also noted there is that the ratty Lincoln convertible is one of about 50 factory-built with the continental kit and extended rear quarters to match. Apparently a pricey option. The Lemay Museum has one which they refer to as the Bardahl in deference to its original owner.

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  • omarmanomarman Member Posts: 2,702
    Side trim on this '54 looks a bit different than the mystery car.
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    I like the wide whitewalls but not so much the wire rims though.
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  • andys120andys120 Member Posts: 23,670
    edited November 2019

    fintail said:

    I see 3 lovely classic cars and a modern thing.

    In the background going back, a 250GT Berlinetta Lusso (perhaps the most elegant Ferrari of all time, no modern Ferrari can hold a candle to it), and then a couple of maybe 250/330 GTE style cars.

    They are all Gran Turismo Ferraris. The blue car is a 330 GT 2+2 ca.1966-67. The red one a 250GT 2+2 ca. 1961-64, the mist green is a 1964-5 250GT Berlinetta Lusso. and the silver car is the new 2020 Ferrari Roma.

    As always Ferrari nomenclature can be a bit confusing. In recent years the appellation GTE has come into wide use for the four place Ferraris of that era. I prefer the original 2+2 because it contains useful information. The Roma is said to be a modern interpretation of the 2 seat 250GT Lusso (even though the Lusso name is used by another current model). The Roma is supposedly a "2+" design but unlike the others in the photo it uses V8 (Portofino) power, the rest are V12s.

    Think the picture is a bit confusing in that the cars are also posed out of chronological order.

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  • ab348ab348 Member Posts: 20,293
    edited November 2019
    Correction on the Lincoln pic: some did say it was a '54 but there were corrections later that stated it was actually a '53.

    More here on that factory continental spare:
    https://www.automobilemag.com/news/collectible-classic-1952-1955-lincoln-capri/

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  • fintailfintail Member Posts: 58,431
    I had no idea there was effectively a continental kit edition of the Capri. Oddity.

    For those Ferraris, 2+2 is a better term, easier to remember. Except for Berlinetta Lusso, which is one I can't forget due to the superb design. Ferrari hasn't become as comical and inelegant as most modern Bentley and Rolls-Royce, but they to seem to lack the something special of days past.
  • bhill2bhill2 Member Posts: 2,598
    andys120 said:

    I'm pretty sure the dented Poncho is a '53 and look across the street to the right, it's a '57 Plymouth Fury w the upswept side trim.

    I just can't make that series badge on the rear fender of the '57 Plymouth say 'Fury'. I think it's a Belvedere with the Fury upsweep. If you look at enough images of Belvederes you will come across a few with that side treatment. I have to wonder if it was an appearance option, but can't find a reference to it.

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  • ab348ab348 Member Posts: 20,293
    The '53/'54 Lincoln was a decent design except for the treatment of the headlights on the front end which I always (and still do) find jarring and strange-looking. It always makes me think they forgot to finish trimming them out, or it was a victim of some ill-advised customizing.

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  • Lostwrench3Lostwrench3 Member Posts: 821
    bhill2 said:

    andys120 said:

    I'm pretty sure the dented Poncho is a '53 and look across the street to the right, it's a '57 Plymouth Fury w the upswept side trim.

    I just can't make that series badge on the rear fender of the '57 Plymouth say 'Fury'. I think it's a Belvedere with the Fury upsweep. If you look at enough images of Belvederes you will come across a few with that side treatment. I have to wonder if it was an appearance option, but can't find a reference to it.
    Although the Fury/Belvedere "upsweep" rule applied to the 1957 Plymouth, this latest photo containing a Plymouth shows not a '57 but a '58. (Note the distinctive '58 tailights.) The '58 Fury and Belvederes both had the upsweep. "Belvedere" was on the fender which you are seeing, "Fury" was on the side strip upsweep.
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  • stickguystickguy Member Posts: 53,389
    mid 80s Hurst/Olds 442?

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  • ab348ab348 Member Posts: 20,293
    1983.

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  • bhill2bhill2 Member Posts: 2,598

    bhill2 said:

    andys120 said:

    I'm pretty sure the dented Poncho is a '53 and look across the street to the right, it's a '57 Plymouth Fury w the upswept side trim.

    I just can't make that series badge on the rear fender of the '57 Plymouth say 'Fury'. I think it's a Belvedere with the Fury upsweep. If you look at enough images of Belvederes you will come across a few with that side treatment. I have to wonder if it was an appearance option, but can't find a reference to it.
    Although the Fury/Belvedere "upsweep" rule applied to the 1957 Plymouth, this latest photo containing a Plymouth shows not a '57 but a '58. (Note the distinctive '58 tailights.) The '58 Fury and Belvederes both had the upsweep. "Belvedere" was on the fender which you are seeing, "Fury" was on the side strip upsweep.
    Oops. Never mind.

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  • andys120andys120 Member Posts: 23,670
    edited November 2019
    stickguy said:

    mid 80s Hurst/Olds 442?

    Yup







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  • andys120andys120 Member Posts: 23,670

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  • ab348ab348 Member Posts: 20,293
    Here's a quirky little thing:

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  • stickguystickguy Member Posts: 53,389
    Looks like panhard took a 1950 Buick and washed it in hot water and it shrank.

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  • andys120andys120 Member Posts: 23,670
    edited November 2019
    andys120 said:


    I doubt anyone will get this little coupe. Despite the Italianesque GT styling it is an entirely British production . About a dozen were fabricated using aluminum alloy bodywork on the frame of the Austin-Healey Sprite 995/1250 Mk1 (AKA Bug Eye). Even with a fancied up interior it weighted in at only about a half ton. It is thought that a couple might have been exported to the USA as the SMS Sprite.

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  • omarmanomarman Member Posts: 2,702
    Well that was close but not quite there. The maroon mystery car pictured is "continuation" S2 WSM 403 which was built from a 1964 Mark III A-H Sprite chassis.

    Sebring Sprite has a nice page with some history about WSM including how they got their name:
    In 1962 Douglas Wilson-Spratt and Jim McManus produced the first of their special-bodied Sprites to subsequently be called WSMs, now generally known as Wuzzums, using the initials of their two surnames.

    According to their history WSM originally completed 9 cars and 2 of them had fiberglass bodies. A 10th car, (the body of which Douglas had kept as a spare), WSM 208, was not completed until 2009, 44 years after the original nine. Apparently that 10th car also had a fiberglass body as well.
    andys120 said:

    andys120 said:


    I doubt anyone will get this little coupe. Despite the Italianesque GT styling it is an entirely British production . About a dozen were fabricated using aluminum alloy bodywork on the frame of the Austin-Healey Sprite 995/1250 Mk1 (AKA Bug Eye). Even with a fancied up interior it weighted in at only about a half ton. It is thought that a couple might have been exported to the USA as the SMS Sprite.
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  • andys120andys120 Member Posts: 23,670
    Thanks for straightening me out. It's easy to get it wrong when you're dealing w obscurities
    but you'd think I'd @least get the name right. :(

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  • andys120andys120 Member Posts: 23,670

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  • stickguystickguy Member Posts: 53,389
    Opel GT. about a 1970. I loved these.

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  • magnettemagnette Member Posts: 4,229
    That WSM Sprite was a bit of a surprise - I wouldn't have known that.

    Looking back at the last few posts I can se that Continental kits on contemporary cars were actually really rare - funny how 99% of those at any show over there - ( and here too although the number of large US cars is obviously lower)

    There are similar kits fitted probably decades later for Mk 1 and 2 Ford Zepyrs and Zodiacs - even Consuls - and I think they were virtually non existent here until the cars were virtually extinct.

    Its a bit like Ford - on all the evidence at UK car shows - made 1% of the Mark 1 Cortina as a saloon or Estate, and 99% as a Lotus...

  • andys120andys120 Member Posts: 23,670
    magnette said:

    That WSM Sprite was a bit of a surprise - I wouldn't have known that.

    Looking back at the last few posts I can se that Continental kits on contemporary cars were actually really rare - funny how 99% of those at any show over there - ( and here too although the number of large US cars is obviously lower)

    I think it's because people shoot for the moon when restoring cars. After putting a lot of time and/or$ into a project they want a final product that is loaded.

    So it is that low-line Ramblers or Crosleys all seem to have Continenral kits, so what if they hardly ever did back in the day. If memory serves me, less than 10% of 1960s Pontiacs wore the optional 8-lug wheels but now when you see an old Grand Prix, Bonneville or Catalina they have the 8-lug rims at least 8 or 10 times. Same with sidepipes on Corvettes and Cobras or wire wheels on T-Birds and C300s.
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  • andys120andys120 Member Posts: 23,670

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  • omarmanomarman Member Posts: 2,702
    I like the '54 Pontiac with tail fins just beginning to trend.
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  • tmarttmart Member Posts: 2,399
    I’ll take the 56 Ford Country Sedan.
  • bhill2bhill2 Member Posts: 2,598
    My choice would. be the '57 Poncho.

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  • Lostwrench3Lostwrench3 Member Posts: 821
    Well, check that out, a Hudson. It's a '46 or '47. The nose badge would tell but.......
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    4 digit phone numbers.. :)

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  • ab348ab348 Member Posts: 20,293
    edited November 2019
    I vaguely remember Flying A gas stations from when I was a little kid. Always thought it was a good name and logo. When did they go away?

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  • PF_FlyerPF_Flyer Member Posts: 9,372
    ab348 said:

    I vaguely remember Flying A gas stations from when I was a little kid. Always thought it was a good name and logo. When did they go away?

    Phillips 66 took them over in the '60s
  • Lostwrench3Lostwrench3 Member Posts: 821
    ab348 said:

    I vaguely remember Flying A gas stations from when I was a little kid. Always thought it was a good name and logo. When did they go away?

    We had one in my town in R.I. in the 1960s. It changed to Getty.
  • andys120andys120 Member Posts: 23,670

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  • texasestexases Member Posts: 11,109
    1959ish Ferrari 250 GT Pinninfarina coupe?
  • tmarttmart Member Posts: 2,399
    That still looks good even by today’s standards!
  • andys120andys120 Member Posts: 23,670
    texases said:

    1959ish Ferrari 250 GT Pinninfarina coupe?

    tmart said:

    That still looks good even by today’s standards!

    Yes, it is an epitome of elegant understatement. IIRC this was the first of many Pininfarina designs in the 250 series. The roofline reminds me of the Lincoln Continental II.

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  • magnettemagnette Member Posts: 4,229
    That big old Hudson looks a bit like an Armstrong Siddeley Sapphire although presumably larger. Difference was the Hudson was superseded by a much more modern design whereas the Armstrong Sid was still looking like that when it finished production in 1959/60.
  • andys120andys120 Member Posts: 23,670
    This picture shows every stage of windshield development in a few short years.

    -Divided plat panes
    -Divided curved glass
    -Single curved glass
    -Single wraparound glass



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  • imidazol97imidazol97 Member Posts: 27,676
    Interesting.

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  • magnettemagnette Member Posts: 4,229
    I'm outside my comfort zone with these cars but on the extreme left is that a Kaiser?
  • imidazol97imidazol97 Member Posts: 27,676
    Yes, Kaiser Manhatten iirc

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  • tmarttmart Member Posts: 2,399
    54 Ford, 53 Ford, 49-50 Ford.
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