Mystery car pix

texases

That where I ended up-thought Dodge, but taillights weren’t right. So????

fintail

I'll save the mystery car in my 1962 pic for magnette - he'll know it.

I always found it amusing that Ford was so new in 60, Mercury was just a fairly heavy facelift.

bhill2

You know, if the photo is dated correctly, which is consistent with the cars, that white over red car is not a Rambler. The fat-butt Ramblers came after that (1970 and later). I can't place what it is, though.

Lostwrench3

One chip on a '63 Chevy Nova
and
one chip on a '64 Chevy Nova.

Lostwrench3

Ahaa, 5 more chips on '63 Chevy Nova.
Unlike the '64 Chevy Nova, the '63 had the white over red color combination, Paint Code 973.

ab348

Lostwrench3 said:

Ahaa, 5 more chips on '63 Chevy Nova.
Unlike the '64 Chevy Nova, the '63 had the white over red color combination, Paint Code 973.

I'm pretty sure that the white over red car is a '63 Rambler, either an 880 or 990. To me it doesn't look anything like a Chevy II.

Lostwrench3

ab348 said:

Lostwrench3 said:

Ahaa, 5 more chips on '63 Chevy Nova.
Unlike the '64 Chevy Nova, the '63 had the white over red color combination, Paint Code 973.

I'm pretty sure that the white over red car is a '63 Rambler, either an 880 or 990. To me it doesn't look anything like a Chevy II.

You are correct.
Extreme magnification reveals the location of the backup lights, shape of the tail lights, and the "bar" centered in the brightwork. I'll go with your 990. The great amount of brightwork on the rear end had me steered toward the Nova.
Well, I lost all of my chips. That's why I stay away from the two casinos around here.

ab348

Lostwrench3 said:

Well, I lost all of my chips. That's why I stay away from the two casinos around here.

Lostwrench3 (from a recent photo):

ab348

The City of Montreal archives offers this pic of one rather disreputable-looking used car lot and one slightly more respectable-looking one, from 1961. All sorts of unusual stuff here. The picture is absolutely huge when you expand it, so lots of detail. Check out some of those prices too!

fintail

Those must be down payments.

At left next to the 55 Pontiac with its hood up, a couple of Skoda Octavia.

omarman

Maybe they both share the same phone lines and blood lines.

Salesman: "Whatever you do don't go shopping next door!"
Customer: "But that's what they told me next door."
Salesman: "Darryl!"

ab348

fintail said:

Those must be down payments.

I was thinking probably monthly payments.

fintail

With many terms apparently being 12-24 months then, that sounds right.

ab348 said:

I was thinking probably monthly payments.

sda

The 61 Chevy sedan parked on the road is filthy, not a hint of shine.

omarman

Forerunner to the CHMSL?

tmart

I see a 56 Ford and two 57 Chevys.

ab348

As if by magic, restored! :laughing:

kyfdx

I kind of like the patina on the first one. Plus, roof rack!

magnette

fintail said:

Just a couple to ID here - Seattle, 1962:





That yellow car is a DKW -I think it was known as a Junior in most markets including the UK but a DKW 750 initially Germany, but by 1963 it would become a DKW F12 - as far as I know it is basically the same car but just a renaming update

I don't know how many were sold over there but I can remember seeing these when I was a kid although they were possibly ones brought back to theUK by returning service personnel - near my home town there was a base which was the home unit for an engineering unit of the BAOR (British Army of the Rhine) so quite a few army families lived in homes around the the area.

I have seen a Junior or F12 in a car show here - and when at Essen a few years back there was a stand for the DKW / Auto Union owners club so they had at least one as well.

I love the way these odd cars turn up even in the more mundane surroundings of suburbia in some of these shots!

magnette

ab348 said:

As if by magic, restored! :laughing:

That is nice - the patina was good though as it gives it a feeling of authenticity...

It's a Taunus 17M Kombi - about 1961-65 I think

I remember one of the two door saloons belonging to a chap from the Army who lived a few streets from my school in the late sixties - bit like the one in the background although the one I knew was green with a white roof. Can't recall seeing a Kombi in those days though

magnette

ab348 said:

The City of Montreal archives offers this pic of one rather disreputable-looking used car lot and one slightly more respectable-looking one, from 1961. All sorts of unusual stuff here. The picture is absolutely huge when you expand it, so lots of detail. Check out some of those prices too!





This picture is great - the open hood on the Pontiac next to the Skodas makes it look like the car had an overbite somehow - the trim looks a long way forward

omarman

I wonder how much the pretty one is worth today? The Taunus I posted is a U.S. market version which was for sale last year at $5000.

andys120

I've never seen a US version of the Taunus and I grew up in the primo market for Euro imports, the New York area.

ab348

Apparently the City of Montreal spent considerable time and effort documenting Decarie Blvd in 1961 prior to construction of Autoroute 15 right alongside it on what was a former streetcar right of way. There are hundreds of pictures to choose from. It seemed to be a bit of an automobile row back then.

Here are a couple of shots of Decarie Motors taken at the same time from different angles. Both expand to a huge size. Nice to know this is where their "Better Used Cars" are found. Also it is strategically placed next to a foot clinic, so that when you are back on using shoe leather to get around after one of these gems leaves you stranded, you don't have to go far for relief.

magnette

That is a great shot of a Panhard Pl17 I think and between the two Ford Consuls a truck which looks like a DKW Munga although it can't be that, surely

fintail

Yep, DKW Junior here, I believe.

I kind of like that "badewanne" Taunus wagon, like a bizarro world 60 Ford.

magnette said:

I have seen a Junior or F12 in a car show here - and when at Essen a few years back there was a stand for the DKW / Auto Union owners club so they had at least one as well.

I love the way these odd cars turn up even in the more mundane surroundings of suburbia in some of these shots!

fintail

Upper pic, in front of Hoffman's Foot Clinic, 57 Pontiac convertible.

Lower pic, far left, 55 Crown Victoria, does not appear to be a Meteor.

The little Jeep/truck thing indeed appears to be a DKW Munga, and I think that Panhard was sold on this side of the pond as the "Dyna" - this is the earlier model with a "tongue" in the grille.

ab348 said:

Apparently the City of Montreal spent considerable time and effort documenting Decarie Blvd in 1961 prior to construction of Autoroute 15 right alongside it on what was a former streetcar right of way. There are hundreds of pictures to choose from. It seemed to be a bit of an automobile row back then.

ab348

Inadvertently left out the third shot in the right to left panorama of Decarie Motors, which gives us the rear half of the English Ford in the foreground plus more:

tmart

ab348 said:

Apparently the City of Montreal spent considerable time and effort documenting Decarie Blvd in 1961 prior to construction of Autoroute 15 right alongside it on what was a former streetcar right of way. There are hundreds of pictures to choose from. It seemed to be a bit of an automobile row back then.

Here are a couple of shots of Decarie Motors taken at the same time from different angles. Both expand to a huge size. Nice to know this is where their "Better Used Cars" are found. Also it is strategically placed next to a foot clinic, so that when you are back on using shoe leather to get around after one of these gems leaves you stranded, you don't have to go far for relief.

Top picture has a 59 Ford at far left....or the Canadian version.

andys120

Inthe first pic (where you can see the Barber Shop sign) two sports roadsters are visible. The white one of the left is an MG-A and the dark-colored one in mid-pic looks like a Jag XK-120
OTS (Open Two Seater), a mere used car when this was taken, now a desired and iconic classic.
The Ford Zephyr in the foreground is from British Ford, not many made it to the USA.

fintail

I think the white roadster might be an Austin-Healey? I wonder what the car is beside the Jag.

Beside the white roadster is a 58 Buick wagon, possibly a hardtop model. I like the variety of this dealership, something for everyone.

ab348

fintail said:

I think the white roadster might be an Austin-Healey? I wonder what the car is beside the Jag.

Beside the white roadster is a 58 Buick wagon, possibly a hardtop model. I like the variety of this dealership, something for everyone.

Yes, expanding the pic on my iPad allows me to see that it is indeed the hardtop version.

The car behind the Jag is too obscured to ID easily, but it has a rakish roofline/greenhouse. Not sure if it is Italian or British.

magnette

fintail said:

Upper pic, in front of Hoffman's Foot Clinic, 57 Pontiac convertible.

Lower pic, far left, 55 Crown Victoria, does not appear to be a Meteor.

The little Jeep/truck thing indeed appears to be a DKW Munga, and I think that Panhard was sold on this side of the pond as the "Dyna" - this is the earlier model with a "tongue" in the grille.

ab348 said:

Apparently the City of Montreal spent considerable time and effort documenting Decarie Blvd in 1961 prior to construction of Autoroute 15 right alongside it on what was a former streetcar right of way. There are hundreds of pictures to choose from. It seemed to be a bit of an automobile row back then.

I think the Panhard would have been sold here as the Dyna too although I always associate that with the earlier and more upright model.

I can't get over the DKW Munga there - a rare vehicle and not even the more common jeep sized version but a larger truck. Did they supply a load to the armed forces in some NATO deal or something?

My only experience of the Munga is seeing German Army ones in Britain - they used to send a dozen or so tanks on transporters over to Wales for exercises every year and used them as escorts.

ab348

I had never heard of the Munga so I had to look it up. I got a kick out of this entry on its Wikipedia page:

Around 2000 cars were delivered to the Royal Netherlands Army, many of which were shipped to the UK in the late 1970s.

The Royal Netherlands Army had intended the Munga as a replacement for the 1956 M38A1 NEKAF Jeep, but the type caused so many problems that it was removed from front line service prematurely in 1970. The M38A1 NEKAF Jeeps, that had been stored in mobilization compounds for reserve units, were re-issued to operational units - where they remained in use until 1995.

Don't ever say this place isn't educational. :laughing:

ab348

A few shots of the wonderfully-named Trans-Island Motors Dodge-Chrysler from 1961 on the "Strategic Corner" of Decarie Blvd at Isabella. Some interesting vehicles on the lot and on the streets nearby. I'm guessing that they must have had issues with local hoodlums stealing hubcaps judging from the car on the corner podium.
Expands to huge size.





Bonus pic especially for @fintail coming up later.

stickguy

A couple of batwing chevies. And a few odd imports.

Is the white van backed into a driveway aBedford?

magnette

ab348 said:

I had never heard of the Munga so I had to look it up. I got a kick out of this entry on its Wikipedia page:

Around 2000 cars were delivered to the Royal Netherlands Army, many of which were shipped to the UK in the late 1970s.

The Royal Netherlands Army had intended the Munga as a replacement for the 1956 M38A1 NEKAF Jeep, but the type caused so many problems that it was removed from front line service prematurely in 1970. The M38A1 NEKAF Jeeps, that had been stored in mobilization compounds for reserve units, were re-issued to operational units - where they remained in use until 1995.

Don't ever say this place isn't educational. :laughing:

Thanks for this - I don't think our forces made any use of them although maybe they are on places like the Falklands or in Cyprus etc. I can't recall any with British military plates or markings.

What the British Army did take was the Haflinger Pinzgauer from the Austrians - it's related to the Steyr Puch - and those are still around including ex military ones - They even have an owners club

magnette

stickguy said:

A couple of batwing chevies. And a few odd imports.

Is the white van backed into a driveway aBedford?

Yes - a Bedford CA immortalised by Dinky toys the world over

magnette

On the forecourt at Trans Island Motors under the "L" of Island and next to the entrance door is a smaller grey car which looks like a Simca Aronde
And on the front in line with "Ltd" is a dark 56 Desoto behind a 53 Buick which I think is a Super

ab348

I am surprised in these Montreal pics at the relative prevalence of British cars and a dearth of French cars (aside from today's possible Simca and the Panhard yesterday). I am searching for Citroens without much success. All I have found so far is this billboard:

magnette

There's what looks like an Austin A40 Devon or Dorset to the left end under the Jantzen poster

andys120

stickguy

Looks like an early adopter of 5 MPH crash bumpers.

texases

'56 Chrysler New Yorker?

ab348

magnette said:

There's what looks like an Austin A40 Devon or Dorset to the left end under the Jantzen poster

In the first of the Trans-Island Motors pics, there is a smallish car heading away from the camera in proximity to where the construction is underway on the left with the Bedford van. When I blow up the pic it looks almost like a Triumph Herald although I'm unsure.

magnette

@ab348 In the first of the Trans-Island Motors pics, there is a smallish car heading away from the camera in proximity to where the construction is underway on the left with the Bedford van. When I blow up the pic it looks almost like a Triumph Herald although I'm unsure.




I hadn't noticed that. I think it is not quite right for a Triumph Herald but it reminds me of a Standard Vanguard mk 3 (or the similar Ensign) Trouble is it looks slightly wrong for them as well although the smaller licence plate on it compared with here may be putting me off - it looks like it would have the large round tail lights of a Vanguard 3 to me.





Sorry - I have posted the picture in the wrong bit but this is what I meant. (its for sale on eBay if anyone is interested)

They did change the rear lights later for small vertical oblong ones but the early version as shown does resemble the one in your picture

ab348

magnette said:

I hadn't noticed that. I think it is not quite right for a Triumph Herald but it reminds me of a Standard Vanguard mk 3 (or the similar Ensign) Trouble is it looks slightly wrong for them as well although the smaller licence plate on it compared with here may be putting me off - it looks like it would have the large round tail lights of a Vanguard 3 to me.

Well, there was a Triumph Vanguard (a brand I had totally forgotten about) dealer on Decarie too. Unfortunately the only pic of it does not show any cars. They had an impressive sign though, as did many places along there. The neon sign business in Montreal back then must have been huge.



I miss seeing this style of neon sign that I recall as a kid. This one is in the same group of pics and although the cars are not worthy of mention, take a close look at the Italian restaurant sign on the left. Creative!

ab348

Almost forgot that I promised @fintail a picture. Here it is:

tmart

Yea, a 60 Canadian Ford!

ab348

The name "Ford" does not appear anywhere on that car.