I'm glad to see this thread growing, I started it a few weeks ago to help me choose my next vehicle. This thread as well as a few other threads at Edmunds have helped me decide to go with the Salsa Red Pearl Toyota Highlander Limited 4WD with NAV that I will take delivery of on Tuesday. Thanks to others here I widened my search and did check out the Honda Pilot as well.
In the end I liked the classic styling (yeah, some say boring) of the Highlander and I wasn't too comfortable with the more modern styling of the Tribeca or Murano though both had better technology features than the Highlander i.e. Sat radio , rear view camera etc. The Pilot, while a very nice SUV with a great deal of storage space is a bit too big and chunky looking for my taste. Tribeca is just so new I just wasn't ready to jump on such a new car though it does look like a real winner for Subaru. Thanks everyone and I look forward to seeing this thread evolve.
Yea, I don't pull out with anyone even in range of me anymore!! No airbags but the child seat has "wings" (for lack of a better term) around the childs head so if you got t-boned the child's head wouldn't snap to one side or the other. It's pretty nice although a little pricey, but hopefully would work the way it's supposed to. It hasn't been around long enough to have a review by Consumer Report yet.
Been looking a three row SUVs. Have checked out and test drove all three. Here are my comparisons:
Pilot: roomiest and most usable 3rd row seating; truck-like ride, which I was unaccustomed to, and really didn't like (I think that the Pilot has a truck-based platform). Worst gas mileage of the three.
Highlander: small 3rd row, which only folds down as a single entity (no 50/50 split). Car-like handling (Camry platform). Very sound car.
Tribeca: small 3rd row, which has a 50/50 split. Nice handling and acceleration (I drove on a winding country road then a 60 mph highway).
My wife and I decided against the Pilot because of the truck-like aspect and gas mileage. Thus, it was between the Tribeca and Highlander. Some more direct comparisons: Handling: about the same Ground clearance: T(8.4 in) is better than H(7.3); our family goes on dirt roads for camping/hiking about 3-4 times/year and would like the extra clearance 3rd row: both are cramped and good only for kids or small adults. 3rd row in T is definitely harder to access (tighter access and only on passenger side). One good thing on the T is the 2nd row seats can slide forward, creating more 3rd row legroom, whereas it cannot on the H. Of course, this means less room for 2nd row passengers (but we are a family of 5'8" and under people, so this is okay). We like the 50/50 of the T versus the H. Also, the T has LATCH attachments in the 3rd row and H does not. So if you have two carseats (like we do), you could quickly rearrange the carseats to have one in the 3rd row (you would have to use the seat belts to fasten the car seat in the 3rd row of the H). This is a consideration because if you have two car seats in the second row in either car, you cannot access the 3rd row (the carseats will block the fold down of the 2nd row). Safety features: you can get comparable safety features on both (AWD, stability control, air bags, etc) Styling: as said many times before, the H is bland and functional, the T is different than any other car Price: I roughly estimate the T to be $2-3K more than the H for comparably equipped models (AWD namely).
Conclusion: We liked the T more than H. Better seat flexibility (for those times where we need to drive around 4 adults and 2 kids in car seats ), unique styling, and higher ground clearance. Our family also has a history with Subaru's, and like their cars. However, we hesitate buying a car in its first year of production (wise to the way businesses MAY rush to production and the inevitable bugs that occur). Thus, we are still undecided.
BTW, has anyone compared the Ford Freestyle to the Tribeca? I've read that the 3rd row is actually much better than H or T. However, I hesitate looking at a Ford because of reliability and safety issues (read somewhere that stability control is not available).
PS We also testdrove minivans and decided that we don't need all that space (it would be nice sometimes, but not very often) and wanted a more car-like drive and higher ground clearance.
The Pilot is built on the same platform as the Honda Odyssey and the Acura MDX and now the Ridgeline. Although that may not mean much; for example, the Ridgeline platform is about 90% exclusive to the pickup. link
Although it might be considered bad form to refer people to other websites, I found the invoice price for different styles very easily via the cars.com website. I compared the invoice prices for the limited 7-seat Tribeca to the AWD Limited Highlander with leather trim, and 6 CD disc system. In my original estimate, I forgot to add the side and curtain airbags and heated seats, so the difference is only about $1000.
dlin - B9 Tribeca's engine, transmission, stability system (VDC) and other parts have already been proven in other Subaru models, so I wouldn't worry about first-year glitches in any of those areas. Regarding Freestyle, it can be had with a 3.0L 6-cyl, just like Tribeca, but the Subaru produces nearly 50 more horsepower (250 vs. 203) at a cost of just 1 MPG in fuel efficiency. And since you mentioned ground clearance, Freestyle's is much less... 6.3" compared to Highlander's 7.3" and Tribeca's 8.4".
dlin...nice comparo...FYI, I have an 05 Highlander Limited, and the second row DOES adjust fore and aft to allow more 3rd row legroom....3rd row stll best for kids, but the 2nd row does slide.
Toyota has an a-la-carte menu of options, but when you load one up prices are actually a little higher than the Tribeca. Perhaps incentives and discounts can get the price lower, though.
Keep in mind Subaru gives you 18"x8" alloy rims standard. Even if you overlook those, to a Highlander Limited AWD you still have to add leather, moonroof, 6CD, curtain air bags, and heated seats.
The Pilot's 3rd row also has no split fold, so it's all or nothing. Plus it lacks side airbags curtains even as an options.
HL's seat does slide fore-aft, like jbollt says. I think they added that for MY2004. The very first year with the 3rd row seat did not have the sliding seat, but now it does.
We need to replace an older vehicle in our garage this year and Pilot is our first choice based on test drives. Since we have 3 kids we wanted to buy a car with second row side curtain air bags. We test-drove the Highlander, Tribeca, Trailblazer and the Volvo XC90. All have side curtain air bags either standard or as an option, the XC90 has them all the way back to the third row, though that may be out of our price range. Even the Acura MDX has them, but it may be beyond our financial reach to, the Honda salesman told us the MDX and Pilot are basically the same car. We would be happy to wait for a 2006 Pilot if it offered the side curtain air bags. Has anyone has heard? (our local Honda dealer was uninformed). Otherwise we may be best served by going into a buying cycle now with one of the other choices since most are 2005 cars on which production has ended and selection will not get any better while we wait to hear about what Honda has in the 2006 Pilot. :confuse:
I have not heard, but if I had to guess I'd think it would only get SAC with the redesign, not as a running model change, because it's not cheap to add.
Thanks for the correction about the sliding 2nd row seats. I guess that I didn't remember that correctly. BTW, the Pilot brochure does mention the 3rd row has a 60/40 split.
About the Toyota a-la-carte options: you might pay more for the sum total of the options than the standard equipment on the Tribeca, but in the end, you could be saving money by not getting stuff that you don't want or use seldomly. For instance, on the Tribeca, I wouldn't want the moon roof and heated seats, but you don't have a choice. That's over $1000 worth of invoice price.
We've been seriously considering a Murano to replace our aging minivan. (My wife thinks they look good.) She's a little concerned about the four star frontal crash rating on the Murano. What kind of ratings does the Tribeca have or when will it be tested/rated? Started several months ago looking at Freestyles and have run the gamut. Finally saw a Tribeca while testing an Outback (too small in the back seat). They look interesting, to say the least. Now, if only they came in bright red...
Thanks, and I am aware of that as I have that option on my Forester. Just thought it should be standard equipment on the Tribeca but it wasn't.
Strangely, my mirror on my Forester has gone cloudy in recent days, as if water was causing a tear drop shaped spot inside the mirror. There is no water, and this tear drop moves around over time. Can't be normal and dealer is checking into it.
True, but most Subaru's do well in these sorts of tests and at 4000plus pounds, I'd be severely disappointed if the Tribeca was less than stellar safetywise.
Got an email today from local Acura dealer re: $1,500 under invoice on any MDX in stock, putting another choice in the mix for us. A base MDX is now a few hundred more than a 7 seat Tribeca, and it has the side curtain all the way back to the 3rd row, plus includes leather. I feel an onset of separation anxiety, not from my old 4 banger Escort, but from my money :shades:
What's that old saying? A fool and his money will soon part.... , or something like that? :P :shades:
But all joking aside, an MDX at about the same cost as a B9 would be almost a no-brainer (to get the Acura) if you can live with the exterior bulk. Also, wouldn't there be similar incentives for the less expensive Pilot. If budget is a consideration, then that again would merit strong consideration over a B9.
Test drove the Trebeca and really liked the feel. Actually had a dealer in Chicago area who went to training session in Atlanta where Murano, Lexus, Highlander, MDX were all available to test drive with Tribeca. What it does NOT have is memory seats, telescoping wheel, adjustable gas pedal, spare tire is underneath the car, no back cover over cargo area to hide stuff, only passenger windows seem to be dimmed. Some minor things, but considering all the pluses, where are the memory seats, especially for that money and you are sharing the car. The third row of seats-don't bother, too tight and difficult to get in and out of.
Also test-drove the Murano SL/AWD, not as smooth a ride as the Tribeca or the Lexus, but lots of bells and whistles, unfortunately, not standard as in Lexus and Tribeca, but still cheaper than Lexus. No daytime running lights....what's with that, and a little higher to get into. Also some visibility questions.
The Lexus is very nice, all around, almost too soft a ride. Same visibility questions.
So everyone out there...which would you recommend........I am making a purchase in two weeks and I like them all. I even printed out the comparison sheets and what one has the other doesn't.......HELP. :confuse:
You can get a factory cover for the cargo area on the Tribeca.
The window tinting covers all the windows behind the front row, I don't think other SUVs are any different. State laws limit how dark they can go and on which windows.
Ask yourself which is more important - the features you found missing, or the driving experience? Pick the Tribeca if it's the latter.
Personally I think that's a feature, not a bug. My full sized Outback spare barely fits where the spacesaver tire used to live. I don't check the air pressure in it any more frequently than I do the tire that lives underneath my minivan.
I did try the Pilot, but was more comfortable in the other three. Maybe it was just me, but at 5' 3'', I need something I do not have to climb into or fall out of of. Has anyone else test driven the Tribeca. I may even take a look at a 2003 RX300 if I can find one....used...looking for comfort on long drives down Interstate 88 in Illinois, a wind tunnel (even with no wind) and leaping deer. I also worry about the spare being underneath the car (a) theft and (b) rusting. Or am I being a little too nuts.
I must say the pick up on the Murano and Tribeca are really nice. I was also hesitant about purchasing a car 'in its first year', but the Tribeca utilizes so much of what makes Subaru good, it's not really a question. Just a little higher to get into than the Murano or Lexus....wish I could get all three.
The B9 has a cargo cover (it's an option - but cheap) the rear windows have dark privacy glass, The spare under the car is a positive to me, it is covered and lowers by a crank handle from inside On the rare occasion I get a flat I rather not have to wrestle that big old wheel out of the back end.
Keep in mind that SOA allows you to pick your options individually and not as part of a package that require you get and pay for things you don't want but must take in order to get a certain item.
I looked at everything from Lexus, Murano, BMW X5, Infinti and chose Tribeca.
The question is, if Subaru appears to have gotten the difficult part right, why cheap out on the "little things" that makes the whole driving experience that much better? Memory seats, adjustable pedals, auto-down mirrors, telescoping wheel, etc. are all useful convenience items that are par for the course in the class that B9 aspires to be in. If they want to hang with the big boys, bring the right resume!
The frustrating part is they will likely add those items next year, or shortly thereafter. If I bought one in this year and they add those items next year, I would be pissed big time. :mad:
I did try the Pilot, but was more comfortable in the other three. Maybe it was just me, but at 5' 3'', I need something I do not have to climb into or fall out of of. Has anyone else test driven the Tribeca. I may even take a look at a 2003 RX300 if I can find one....used...looking for comfort on long drives down Interstate 88 in Illinois, a wind tunnel (even with no wind) and leaping deer.
I must say the pick up on the Murano and Tribeca are really nice. I was also hesitant about purchasing a car 'in its first year', but the Tribeca utilizes so much of what makes Subaru good, it's not really a question. Just a little higher to get into than the Murano or Lexus....wish I could get all three.
That is very interesting. I went to a Nissan dealer to test drive the Murano and I had to tell him what the Tribeca was. I was surprised he did not know what I was talking about. The Lexus dealer was aware, but only compared the Lexus 300 (2003 and 2002/certified used, which I drove) to the Murano.
Thank you for setting me straight on the spare tire....I must still be in the dark ages.
I'd say you'd have to go with your instincts. I've never drove a B9, but did drive the RX330. The RX was very luxurious, but it didn't ride any smoother than my Murano, and it had that transmission hesitation that has been well known.
Murano does have a lot of standard features. I absolutely love the CVT transmission. It's so smooth - and with the 245 HP, you are at 80 w/o realizing it. DRL? Not sure that it a big issue - but the Xenon light are bright and level. I do have visibility issues with the back ( I don't have the rear backup camera), but I think all SUV's have this issue. Other than that, I think there is ample visibility.
Just an idea, but if you're indecided consider a lease. Tribeca for instance had a lease deal for $320 a month for a base model. Even a loaded leather/DVD/Nav 7 seater was $380.
Lease one for 2-3 years and then you can buy it at the end of the lease or get something else. Subaru is gambling on very high residuals so this is probably safer if you might trade it in a couple of years from now.
True, B9 does aspire to be in the class that makes those features standard, but so does it's price. You gotta pay to play. If prices came in at $35-42k people would have freaked out and it would have been an all-out hysteria.
Just like people freaked when the first Outback VDC arrived and broke the $30k barrier.
This is their first model, v1.0, they're testing the waters. If people feel comfortable with Subarus in this price range they'll surely add more content, like they have in other models.
For instance, since 1998, the Forester has added as standard cruise, then power mirrors, then a 2nd odometer, then a temp gauge, then a CD player, then bigger rims, then an aluminum hood, then aluminum bumper beams, then .... etc.
You're right about them likely adding things as time goes on, so lease!
We have never leased before, but seems like an interesting option for the Tribeca.
I noticed on Edmunds that Subaru is offering $339 on 12,000 miles for both 24 month and 36 month leases. Is it generally better to go with the longer term lease or the shorter term lease? (Yea, I know I need to research this further).
Also, which of these vehicles offer the most comfortable ride? My 6'2" hubby is very uncomfortable on long rides in our Odyssey.
I am 6'5" and have no problems in the Tribeca with either leg room or head room in the driver's or passenger front seats... Second row was even comfortable if seat is adjust back some decreasing third row leg room. Didn't try the third row - afraid I couldn't get out once in... :-)
Long weekend...thanks for the thoughts on the comparisons. I went and test drove the Tribeca again after reading the reviews in cars.com, Car and Driver, Motortrend.. The dealer was trying to do everything to get me to make a deal on Saturday, but I am still on the fence, even offered me his 7-seater loaded with navigation, etc. for the price of the 5 seater ltd....also drove a 2003 RX300 and is it just the aura of driving this vehicle and saying you own one. You re correct about the CVT transmission. Very smooth. I can actually pick up an 04 SL with the Touring package right now for about $28,100 and 4.99 financing. Not a bad deal. I had heard of any special financing options on the B9.
I thought I had read that DRL was to be standard on all vehicles, as a safety feature.
In Canada, DRL's are standard for all vehicles, but not so in US. Canadian Murano's have their fog lights on at all times. If safety is an issue, the Murano and RX are 4-5 star rated for crashworthiness; not sure about the B9, but it should be similar?? The Murano does have side curtain airbags that cover front and rear passengers, and a rollover sensor.
yes...I have. I know a lot of people compare the Lexus (as being more expensive) with the Highlander.....but a Lexus is still a Lexus.
The Highlander is very nice, but the options add up fast, as they do in many Toyota products.
The Nissan Murano and Subaru B9 have many of the same options included in the vehicle as standard. Adding it all up, the Highlander with comparative bells and whistles can be more expensive.
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In the end I liked the classic styling (yeah, some say boring) of the Highlander and I wasn't too comfortable with the more modern styling of the Tribeca or Murano though both had better technology features than the Highlander i.e. Sat radio , rear view camera etc. The Pilot, while a very nice SUV with a great deal of storage space is a bit too big and chunky looking for my taste. Tribeca is just so new I just wasn't ready to jump on such a new car though it does look like a real winner for Subaru. Thanks everyone and I look forward to seeing this thread evolve.
Pilot: roomiest and most usable 3rd row seating; truck-like ride, which I was unaccustomed to, and really didn't like (I think that the Pilot has a truck-based platform). Worst gas mileage of the three.
Highlander: small 3rd row, which only folds down as a single entity (no 50/50 split). Car-like handling (Camry platform). Very sound car.
Tribeca: small 3rd row, which has a 50/50 split. Nice handling and acceleration (I drove on a winding country road then a 60 mph highway).
My wife and I decided against the Pilot because of the truck-like aspect and gas mileage. Thus, it was between the Tribeca and Highlander. Some more direct comparisons:
Handling: about the same
Ground clearance: T(8.4 in) is better than H(7.3); our family goes on dirt roads for camping/hiking about 3-4 times/year and would like the extra clearance
3rd row: both are cramped and good only for kids or small adults. 3rd row in T is definitely harder to access (tighter access and only on passenger side). One good thing on the T is the 2nd row seats can slide forward, creating more 3rd row legroom, whereas it cannot on the H. Of course, this means less room for 2nd row passengers (but we are a family of 5'8" and under people, so this is okay). We like the 50/50 of the T versus the H. Also, the T has LATCH attachments in the 3rd row and H does not. So if you have two carseats (like we do), you could quickly rearrange the carseats to have one in the 3rd row (you would have to use the seat belts to fasten the car seat in the 3rd row of the H). This is a consideration because if you have two car seats in the second row in either car, you cannot access the 3rd row (the carseats will block the fold down of the 2nd row).
Safety features: you can get comparable safety features on both (AWD, stability control, air bags, etc)
Styling: as said many times before, the H is bland and functional, the T is different than any other car
Price: I roughly estimate the T to be $2-3K more than the H for comparably equipped models (AWD namely).
Conclusion: We liked the T more than H. Better seat flexibility (for those times where we need to drive around 4 adults and 2 kids in car seats ), unique styling, and higher ground clearance. Our family also has a history with Subaru's, and like their cars. However, we hesitate buying a car in its first year of production (wise to the way businesses MAY rush to production and the inevitable bugs that occur). Thus, we are still undecided.
BTW, has anyone compared the Ford Freestyle to the Tribeca? I've read that the 3rd row is actually much better than H or T. However, I hesitate looking at a Ford because of reliability and safety issues (read somewhere that stability control is not available).
PS We also testdrove minivans and decided that we don't need all that space (it would be nice sometimes, but not very often) and wanted a more car-like drive and higher ground clearance.
Steve, Host
Keep in mind Subaru gives you 18"x8" alloy rims standard. Even if you overlook those, to a Highlander Limited AWD you still have to add leather, moonroof, 6CD, curtain air bags, and heated seats.
The Pilot's 3rd row also has no split fold, so it's all or nothing. Plus it lacks side airbags curtains even as an options.
HL's seat does slide fore-aft, like jbollt says. I think they added that for MY2004. The very first year with the 3rd row seat did not have the sliding seat, but now it does.
-juice
Thanks in advance for your help.
-juice
A running change is when they just do a face-lift or give the engine a slight boost.
I'm not sure when Honda is due. The MDX came out first, so we might see that first. I kind of doubt the new Pilot would be ready by 2006.
-juice
Thanks for the correction about the sliding 2nd row seats. I guess that I didn't remember that correctly. BTW, the Pilot brochure does mention the 3rd row has a 60/40 split.
About the Toyota a-la-carte options: you might pay more for the sum total of the options than the standard equipment on the Tribeca, but in the end, you could be saving money by not getting stuff that you don't want or use seldomly. For instance, on the Tribeca, I wouldn't want the moon roof and heated seats, but you don't have a choice. That's over $1000 worth of invoice price.
Toyota will cover a much wider range, lower price with less content, and higher price with more content.
However, when I compare, I try to equip both vehicles as closely as possible.
While I don't "need" heated seats, boy, they sure are nice when you do have them.
-juice
Bob
Strangely, my mirror on my Forester has gone cloudy in recent days, as if water was causing a tear drop shaped spot inside the mirror. There is no water, and this tear drop moves around over time. Can't be normal and dealer is checking into it.
But all joking aside, an MDX at about the same cost as a B9 would be almost a no-brainer (to get the Acura) if you can live with the exterior bulk. Also, wouldn't there be similar incentives for the less expensive Pilot. If budget is a consideration, then that again would merit strong consideration over a B9.
Congrats by the way. The kid, I mean. Well, the MDX also.
But I have 2 kids and the Tribeca is lighter and feels sportier, so for my smaller family (and occasional 3rd row use) I'd still go with the fun one.
-juice
Also test-drove the Murano SL/AWD, not as smooth a ride as the Tribeca or the Lexus, but lots of bells and whistles, unfortunately, not standard as in Lexus and Tribeca, but still cheaper than Lexus. No daytime running lights....what's with that, and a little higher to get into. Also some visibility questions.
The Lexus is very nice, all around, almost too soft a ride. Same visibility questions.
So everyone out there...which would you recommend........I am making a purchase in two weeks and I like them all. I even printed out the comparison sheets and what one has the other doesn't.......HELP. :confuse:
The window tinting covers all the windows behind the front row, I don't think other SUVs are any different. State laws limit how dark they can go and on which windows.
Ask yourself which is more important - the features you found missing, or the driving experience? Pick the Tribeca if it's the latter.
-juice
Personally I think that's a feature, not a bug. My full sized Outback spare barely fits where the spacesaver tire used to live. I don't check the air pressure in it any more frequently than I do the tire that lives underneath my minivan.
Maybe check out the Pilot too?
Steve, Host
I must say the pick up on the Murano and Tribeca are really nice. I was also hesitant about purchasing a car 'in its first year', but the Tribeca utilizes so much of what makes Subaru good, it's not really a question. Just a little higher to get into than the Murano or Lexus....wish I could get all three.
You lower the spare down from the inside, I believe, so I doubt it would be that easy to steal.
-juice
Keep in mind that SOA allows you to pick your options individually and not as part of a package that require you get and pay for things you don't want but must take in order to get a certain item.
I looked at everything from Lexus, Murano, BMW X5, Infinti and chose Tribeca.
The frustrating part is they will likely add those items next year, or shortly thereafter. If I bought one in this year and they add those items next year, I would be pissed big time. :mad:
I must say the pick up on the Murano and Tribeca are really nice. I was also hesitant about purchasing a car 'in its first year', but the Tribeca utilizes so much of what makes Subaru good, it's not really a question. Just a little higher to get into than the Murano or Lexus....wish I could get all three.
Thank you for setting me straight on the spare tire....I must still be in the dark ages.
Murano does have a lot of standard features. I absolutely love the CVT transmission. It's so smooth - and with the 245 HP, you are at 80 w/o realizing it. DRL? Not sure that it a big issue - but the Xenon light are bright and level. I do have visibility issues with the back ( I don't have the rear backup camera), but I think all SUV's have this issue. Other than that, I think there is ample visibility.
Good luck with your decision!
Lease one for 2-3 years and then you can buy it at the end of the lease or get something else. Subaru is gambling on very high residuals so this is probably safer if you might trade it in a couple of years from now.
True, B9 does aspire to be in the class that makes those features standard, but so does it's price. You gotta pay to play. If prices came in at $35-42k people would have freaked out and it would have been an all-out hysteria.
Just like people freaked when the first Outback VDC arrived and broke the $30k barrier.
This is their first model, v1.0, they're testing the waters. If people feel comfortable with Subarus in this price range they'll surely add more content, like they have in other models.
For instance, since 1998, the Forester has added as standard cruise, then power mirrors, then a 2nd odometer, then a temp gauge, then a CD player, then bigger rims, then an aluminum hood, then aluminum bumper beams, then .... etc.
You're right about them likely adding things as time goes on, so lease!
-juice
The launch was important - Baja had a slow start and never really recovered.
-juice
I noticed on Edmunds that Subaru is offering $339 on 12,000 miles for both 24 month and 36 month leases. Is it generally better to go with the longer term lease or the shorter term lease? (Yea, I know I need to research this further).
Also, which of these vehicles offer the most comfortable ride? My 6'2" hubby is very uncomfortable on long rides in our Odyssey.
Thank you!
Dawn
But I generally purchase out right so I'm not a good person to ask. :-)
-juice
Dawn
Steve, Host
I thought I had read that DRL was to be standard on all vehicles, as a safety feature.
Still investigating.
What do you think about that vehicle?
Thank you,
Driving Mom
That's your choice.
-juice
The Highlander is very nice, but the options add up fast, as they do in many Toyota products.
The Nissan Murano and Subaru B9 have many of the same options included in the vehicle as standard. Adding it all up, the Highlander with comparative bells and whistles can be more expensive.
I did not have trouble seeing out of the back of B9, a little in the Murano and RX, would have to totally lower or remove the headrests.