Audi A4 Lease Questions

bchan88us

this seems very high....you can get a 5 series with same amount of money, i got mine in 2007 with everything except gps for no money down, 450 a month, 30 month, 12k per yr. your 09 is 35% more than i am paying.

I like the new 09 a4 too, but not sure if i would pay 600+ for the car.

i copied the following from the bmw link:

For the 525i

MSRP is 44,470
Cap Cost is 41,950 (MSRP - 2500 down - 645 discount + 625 Acq Fee)
Money Factor is 0.0016
Residual is 63% (36 mo/30K)
Payment is $499

For the 530i

MSRP is 51,245
Cap Cost is 49,545 (MSRP - 2500 down + 175 premium + 625 Acq Fee)
Money Factor is 0.0014
Residual is 63% (36 mo/30K)
Payment is $594

twodomes

I hope this is the appropriate forum for this post...

I have a leased 07 A4 that I'll be turning in on Dec 2. I already scheduled the lease end inspection with SGS. There are a few issues with the car that I suspect I may be charged for. One is that one of the underside plastic panels got damaged and when I took it into the dealer they said it needed to be replaced but that I should just do it at the end of the lease since it was an area that's prone to damage from curbs etc given the a4's low body frame. So, they actually removed the panel and gave it to me (it was dragging on the ground).

My question is this: if the SGS inspector doesnt crawl under the car and see it, am I free of my obligation to fix it if they find it at a later date, i.e. when I turn the vehicle in?

I know they could claim it happened after the inspection, but I was told by a friend to take some pics of it and anything else before the inspection with a newspaper in the photos to prove the damage already existed on a date before the inspection.

Also, is it worth it to spend $150 getting the car detailed before the inspection (there are a number of small scratches and one long scratch on the side that I suspect a detailer won't be able to get out), or should I just wash it myself and maybe buy a $10 bottle of quick detail and leather cleaner and do a little myself?

Thanks in advance for any thoughts!

mobilehavoc

I don't believe it's a fair to compare the deal you got on your 2007 5 series on a model that wasn't just brand-new/redesigned, didn't have AWD and probably not fully loaded to a new model year A4 that came out literally weeks ago. Also you don't have Nav/GPS...removing that feature from my A4, would drop my monthly payment by about $75 a month alone. So can't really compare unless features are comparable.

I'm sure if I had waited I could have gotten a better deal. If saving money is important, this is not the time to buy/lease an A4, that's a no brainer.

I'm actually quite happy with the deal I got. No regrets. :shades:

soccerandlost

mobilehavoc,

So long as you are happy with your deal and have no regrets, then you made a deal that's good for you. But for others who visit this board, I think it's fair for them to hear from others who disagree. Personally, I'm with bchan88us on this. I LOVE the new A4. But I don't think any A4 should cost anyone $600+/mo. Now, give me an S4 (or better yet, an RS4), and that's an entirely different story...

Anyway, enjoy your new car. I'm hoping pricing is better in December when my current lease expires...

lhsa

carman or anyone else,

do you know the current lease residuals and money factor for an 09 A4 Avant premium plus with 15K per year?

tia

rjorge3

Not in am million years would I pay $650 in a lease for an A4. And I do have the money to spend, but I am a "young old fashion" kind of guy. But at the same time, if it made you happy, heck is your money not ours....but wholy molly $650 for $40k car A4,,,really! I am at a loss for words

dilbertic

A4 2.0 SEDAN 4-DR AUTO QUATTRO
METEOR GRAY PEARL EFFECT, AUDI NAVIGATION,
Model: PRESTIGE ( top of the line )
MSRP $43,800

GRS CAP COST   41687.00   
MONTHLY TAX       44.22   
1ST PAYMENT      580.28
 SALES TAX         0.00
MO PROP TAX        0.00   
CAP RED         2212.07
LAH PREMIUM        0.00   
SLS TAX UPFNT    233.65
CAP REDUCTN     2212.07   
TOT MO PYMT      580.28   
1ST YR FEES      354.00
SEC DEPOSIT        0.00
NET CAP COST   39474.93   
TOT OF PYMTS   20890.08   
OTHER UPFNT      620.00
ADJ RESIDUAL   24090.00   
EST FEES/TERM   1006.00   
TOT INIT PMT    4000.00
TOT TERM DEP   15384.93   
TOT TAXES       1825.57
MONTHLY DEP      427.36
DUE ON DELIV    4000.00
MO LEASE CHG     108.70

BASE PAYMENT 536.06 ......

Thanks, Dil

dilbertic

A4 2.0 SEDAN 4-DR AUTO QUATTRO
AUDI NAVIGATION
PREMIUM PLUS
MSRP: $40,025

GRS CAP COST 38000.00
MONTHLY TAX 41.50
1ST PAYMENT 544.54
SALES TAX 0.00
MO PROP TAX 0.00
CAP RED 418.76
LAH PREMIUM 0.00
SLS TAX UPFNT 85.70
CAP REDUCTN 418.76
TOT MO PYMT 544.54
1ST YR FEES 331.00
SEC DEPOSIT 0.00
NET CAP COST 37581.24
TOT OF PYMTS 19603.44
OTHER UPFNT 620.00
ADJ RESIDUAL 23214.50
EST FEES/TERM 937.00
TOT INIT PMT 2000.00
TOT TERM DEP 14366.74
TOT TAXES 1579.70
MONTHLY DEP 399.08
DUE ON DELIV 2000.00
MO LEASE CHG 103.96
LIFE PREMIUM 0.00
TERM 36
BASE PAYMENT 503.04

This one is in my price range so do any of these look good?

Thanks Tons, Dil

kyfdx

What are the MSRPs on those two?

Also, the Premium model has better residuals than the Premium Plus model, which has better residuals than the Prestige model..

The lease payments will be lower, relative to the MSRP on the Premium model, than on either of the other ones..

dilbertic

Feedback Please The guy wants me to come down and do the deal tonight!! Are these good deals, I am looking at the Prem + model in dark Grey

Thanks,

Dil

rjlaero

To all of you leasees looking for A4's, 3 series BMW's, C class MB's, etc

2009 is a different ballgame for all car companies. Getting these ultra cheap leases on luxury cars is not going to happen anymore. BMW took a 400 million dollar charge off last year for their stupidly high residuals. They lost millions of dollars on lease cars that didn't hold their value.

Bottom line is that we're all going to be paying more for leasing in 2009 and beyond.

Lots of you folks might be driving hondas and toyotas instead. In the past, BMW might have been far better in leasing than Audi, but that's not true anymore.

rjorge3

I do agree with you in some points. 2009 will be indeed a tough market to lease a vehicle as they will be pushing more towards financing and cash deals. However, yes the lux auto makers made a blunder by inflating their residuals to make leases very attractive and that is more pronounced in the SUV market due to the change in consumers taste (X5; Q7;QX; ML; etc), but everything is cyclical and you will see leases subsidies coming back once the economy rebounds. They will definetevely be smarter with setting residuals, but they will support leases. When a company leases a car, they actually make three sales; at point of lease; at lease return if you want to keep the car; or in the used car market via certified pre-own or auctions.

As I had stated before, they will get smarter with the residuals to avoid those costly write-offs. But, rjlaero, I still think $650 is wayyyy to much, but at least someone took one for the team

lej1447

20 months ago, I signed a lease on a brand new 2007 Q7 3.6L with my exact options that I wanted, and that is pretty much fully loaded except for towing hitch. Sticker price was around $58K. My total drive off was $2K, and my monthly lease is $650.

To pay $650/month for a $40K car is absurd IMO. Yes I burn more gas on Q7 than A4. I've driven both, and Q7 is still more fun IMO with more status quo.

carsonotk

I am a consumer attorney who handles car issues, and this is our watchword when it comes to leasing.

The reason is that the terminology is hard to master, making negotiations and understanding the deal almost impossible, at least on the spot. The dealer has a huge advantage with leasing. Sure, you get a lower monthly payment, but you don't get any equity either. It forces you to deal in monthly payments instead of purchase price and interest rates, a dealer's dream. Witness some of the posts, where people post all the terms of their deal for others to figure out, because they still have no idea if they paid too much.

Some common mistakes buyers make:

1-Not realizing that they are essentially buying the car, and failing to negotiate in terms of purchase price rather than monthly payment. Purchase price in leasing is the cap cost. Negotiating using monthly payment in leasing is as big a mistake as doing so when purchasing a car.

2-Not calculating what the interest rate is.

3-Leasing instead of buying! I don't think it's a good deal to pay three years on a car and walk away with no equity (unless you have money in the bank and can afford to buy at the end, but then you probably wouldn't be leasing if you had a lot of money in the bank). And, you are subject to mileage limitations and inspections. You also have fewer rights if your car gets repossessed: you will not be allowed to pay the past due payments and get current, but will have to make the whole payoff.

Good luck out there, it's a tough world when you lease.

mackeyvp

:mad: you are right, one should negotiate the selling price of the car and make sure that is the figure used as the cap cost.
If you get the money factor and multiply by 2.4 you will have a good idea of the interest rate used on the lease.
However, this whole equity arguement is irksome to me. Most would think it not a good idea to pile a lot of equity into something that depreciates a rapidly as a car.
Also, many of us who finance will look at 60month terms and a down payment to achieve a reasonable monthly payment. Those that a disciplined enough to keep their cars 5-7 years may indeed be ahead of the game vs. those that lease.
If you find yourself trading out or wanting a new car on a more typical 3-4 year cycle, you'll still owe money to the bank. After you pay that off, you'll be lucky to get back what your DP was in equity, all the while being exposed to market variables. If you have maintained your car, physically and mechanically, that's gonna lessen its value (about what you'd pay after lease inspection).
And one way or another, mileage will cost you.
If the value goes up vs. the residual, you can always buy the car and resell.
I'm in the car business and have been leasing for over 20 years.
As with purchasing, know your facts and you can determine whats best for you.

carsonotk

Yeah you are right that one may not have much equity after three years anyway, due to depreciation. But one could have at least a couple thousand in equity after 2-3 years anyway, on a purchase plan, as I do with my Toyota. I do typically keep my cars at least 5-6 years.

Another factor operating right now is that the dollar is about to plunge and inflation is almost certain to rage over the next few years. As long as one is financially stable and otherwise out of debt, it's better to buy a car on credit, and pay back with the valueless dollars of the future. Consumer's revenge on the banksters for forcing us to bail out their epic fraud on Wall Street.

dilbertic

Hi Car Man and everyone else...

Is the lease deal on the Ausi A4 Prem + I have posted above a good deal or should I be waiting till Nov 4th to see what the new Audi lease deals might be?

Thanks for any feedback

Dil

soccerandlost

Carsonotk, I agree that many people don't know how to negotiate their leases, in that they negotiate/pay attention to the monthly payment and not the underlying figures such as cap cost, residual, and money factor. However, I don't agree that a straight purchase is always a better deal. Which is better depends on various factors -- some market-driven, some personal.

With regard to the latter, folks who want a new, luxury car every 24-36 months will almost always be better off leasing, unless they are willing to pay significant monthly payment to carry only a 24- to 36-month new car loan.

As for the former, the equity issue tends to be a bit overstated. In reality, the remaining equity on a used car is subject not only to how the driver treats the car, but whether you get in an accident with it (your fault or otherwise) and how the market for that car develops (or recedes). SUV's a perfect example. I'd much rather be in a 2-year old lease on an SUV right now, than 2 years into a loan on a vehicle that's probably lost 20-30% of its used car "equity" in the last 12 months.

My point is that there's no cookie-cutter answer. So long as you've done your homework and know how to negotiate -- whether it be a lease or a purchase -- you should do fine and, frankly, should take whichever is a better deal at the time.

gforce11

I'm with you on this one soccerandlost. Right now my lease has equity because I am actually averaging below my allowed mileage. So it all depends on the market and how you drive your car.
Also, a purchase doesn't always provide you with some equity in 2-3 years, specially if you are being charged high interest and did not put a large enough down payment.

G

rjlaero

You guys need to check your math and do some homework.

650/mo "out the door" is not an outrageous amount of money for a prestige package 41k A4 with 15k miles and 0 cap cost down

BMW has on old 08 model 40k 328 xi on the internet for 459/mo. But that 459 does not include your state sales tax, nor does it compensate for 10 to 15k miles a year, which can easily increase your payment $50.mo - sales tax another 25/30 - there's 80 month right there.

Add in BMW's $2500 cap cost reduction for 36 month lease, that's 75 month right there. So your cheap 460.mo payment is now 610/mo when you compare "Apples to Apples" and add everything in.

And the prestige 09 A4 has a lot more equiptment on it that a 40k 328 xi.

You get the Bang Stereo, Side Assist, 18's, Advanced Key in addition to all the goodies on the premium plus model. Xenons, led's, bluetooth, sirius/ipod, memory seats, and a lot more.

The 09 A4 wins hands down on value for the $$ comapred to BMW and MB leases right now for 3 series and C class.

Read the print on BMW's current ad and do the math.

http://www.bmwusa.com/Standard/Content/FinancialServices/LeaseOffers/LeaseOfferD- etail.aspx?enc=NYGQuH08LNFYCIOf9gYQKA==

mobilehavoc

I don't disagree I might be paying a "premium" for my A4 but for me it's simple. I've wanted an Audi A4 for the last 7 years, and the opportunity existed for me to get one this year which coincided with the launch of the B8 (2009 A4) so it was if the stars were in alignment.

Money is very important in life, but for me, it's not the most important thing when looking at luxury cars. Let's say I could have had the same lease for $514/mo (mine is $614/mo without the AudiCare/Wheel protection crap) so essentially a $100 savings a month.

In my mind, that $3600 savings over 3 years is a wash and is made up by the fact that I got one of the first 2009 A4's in the Northeast US, I've yet to see any other ones on the road, getting praises and looks from people, making friends with Audi fans, and I love the car to death and am enjoying it thoroughly. There's something to be said about instant gratification

It again comes down to a personal call and your choice. If I want to waste my hard earned money on the car, that's my prerogative as it is for anybody else that decides to do the same.

So anyway having said all that, I'm up to 600 miles now and this thing is absolu-freaking-lutely amazing. Worth every penny so far

rjorge3

rjlaero, you have to learn how to state an argument, but most importantly, how to compare equal things. You point to a link to BMW USA, however, NO ONE, I repeat NO ONE, goes to a dealer and lease or buy a car just as it is advertised on the manufacturer website, that is just plain stupid. If you do your negotiations right you will always get a better deal when you do your own numbers, even if it is based on the advertised programs. I doubt that the "$650 A4 guy" got his deal off of the Audi website. So, I will scratch your comparison right off the bat, since right now you can get a much better deal on the 328xi (read BMW 3 series forums-prices paid).

Or if you'd like, I am in the tri-state area, lets meet and walk into a BMW dealer and I'd bet you $650 that I will negotiate a lease on a equally equipped 08 328xi, that will be far less than the $650 he is paying...... hey! if you win, you can give him one month pmt.

rjorge3

Well said mobilehavo!! That is what I wanted to hear.. a confession!... I dont mind anyone expending their money as they pleased, specially to be the first one on the block with a new toy. Heck, you earned it, who the hell are we to tell you how to spend it. But what it irratates the heck out of me when idiots (not directed at you) like to indicate that they worked an amazing deal or they start to compare apples to grapefruits.

Some people like to pay a premium to be the fist one to be seen and it is ok to overpay for something. Just dont claim that the price is a true reflection of what others (the majority) are willing to spend.

Nice looking ride by the way, I really like the black ext. Enjoy

lhsa

to carman or anyone else who has the answer:

i am about to lease an 09 A4 Avant premium plus in southern NJ

what is the money factor and residual for 36 months/15K year lease with audicare? what are the customary fees one needs to pay? motor vehicle fees, tax, small doc fee? is there a standard audi bank fee or acquisition or other fees? are security deposits required by audi?

TIA!

dilbertic

Love to find out if this is a good deal or not...
A4 2.0 SEDAN 4-DR AUTO QUATTRO
AUDI NAVIGATION
PREMIUM PLUS
MSRP: $40,025

GRS CAP COST 38000.00
MONTHLY TAX 41.50
1ST PAYMENT 544.54
SALES TAX 0.00
MO PROP TAX 0.00
CAP RED 418.76
LAH PREMIUM 0.00
SLS TAX UPFNT 85.70
CAP REDUCTN 418.76
TOT MO PYMT 544.54
1ST YR FEES 331.00
SEC DEPOSIT 0.00
NET CAP COST 37581.24
TOT OF PYMTS 19603.44
OTHER UPFNT 620.00
ADJ RESIDUAL 23214.50
EST FEES/TERM 937.00
TOT INIT PMT 2000.00
TOT TERM DEP 14366.74
TOT TAXES 1579.70
MONTHLY DEP 399.08
DUE ON DELIV 2000.00
MO LEASE CHG 103.96
LIFE PREMIUM 0.00
TERM 36
BASE PAYMENT 503.04 with tax around 540 a month

Thanks,

Dil

trey101

I see that there is an "INIT PAYMENT" of either $2,000 or $4,000. If that is a cap cost reduction in the form of a down payment, then all you are doing is paying up front a rather significant amount instead of rolling it into yoru monthly payment. All that does it make it "look" like you have a better deal. $4,000 over 36 months is over $100 per month extra on top of the $500+ you were quoted. In addition, if your car gets totalled, you cannot recover the $4,000 you put down. Rule of thumb is to never put money down on a lease.

Then again, I can't tell if that is what the $2,000 is. Are you paying your taxes up front or are they rolled in? Lease pricing is pretty standard in how it is calculated. A good deal starts with good residual value (set by AUDI) and money factor (interest also set by Audi). All you can do from that point is work with the dealer on the negotiated price of the car. This is very important in leasing. You also want to make sure the dealership doesn't mark UP any of the money factors.

dilbertic

Hi,

Thanks for the feedback, I was told 2k down includes tax, lic so on... I am not sure if he is applying the deposit from my 1st lease as a down payment to the 2nd car. Audi sent me a letter saying if I lease another car, I don't have to put a deposit down and insp turn in fee.

I talked to one of the lease people today and he said the car is about 500.00 over invoice. Since this car is a new design audi is not offer much, so he said check back in Nov when Audi will release new lease deals and or incentives, so I guess i am waiting

Thanks,

Dil

dilbertic

Update Trey, the new deal is 2k down that cover tax, lic so on, 525.00 a month and 12k miles a year on the car, 36 month lease... sound much better

Dil

corvette

Never thought I'd live to see the day when a $40,000 "luxury" car came with a four-cylinder engine!

ltjbukem

does anyone know if audi financial services allows a lease holder to sign the lease over to another consumer using services such as leasetrader.com?

when i signed up, a box popped up saying i should contact the finance company. anyone have a similar situation they can share? thanks,

sptcpa

Would anyone have the October 2008 money factors & residuals on a 2009 A4 Premium Plus, 12 K per year, 36 month lease, with Audi-care?
Thanks in advance,
Steve

CarMan@Edmunds

I sure do, lhsa. Here you go. Audi Financial Services' current buy rate lease money factor and residual value for a 36 month lease of a 2009 Audi A4 Avant 2.0T Premium Plus with 15,000 miles per year are .00167 and 54%, respectively.

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CarMan@Edmunds

Hey lhsa. See my previous post for the information that you're looking for. The inclusion of Audi Care in your lease adds 1% to the residual value.

At lease signing, Audi Financial Services charges a $575 acquisition fee, a security deposit equivalent to your car's monthly payment rounded up to the nearest $25 increment, the first payment, and any required state taxes or fees.

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CarMan@Edmunds

Here's the information that you're looking for, Steve. Audi Financial Services' current buy rate lease money factor and residual value for a 36 month lease of a 2009 A4 Premium Plus Sedan with 12,000 miles per year are .00171 and 57%, respectively.

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sptcpa

Car man--thanks for the quick response, Steve

rjlaero

Audi's new 2.0T turbo is far superior to many V6's. With gas over $4 gallon, the 2.0 T gives you all the power you need, and it's quite thrifty on gas.

With 258lb ft of torque, it's faster than a 328xi, is 250 lexus, or base MB V6. Most of those 6's don't have almost 260lb ft of torque. You need to drive the new 2.0T and you'll be amazed at how quick it is.

I have a 2008 A6 4.2 with 350 hp. I'm quite impressed with the new 09 2.0T, and it'll probably be my next car if I need to scale down a bit when my lease is up.

robger99

Looking to lease a 2009 A4 2.0t base car for 36 months 15 k year miles with minimal out of pocket-first payment/dmv only.Dealer is offering around $500.00 plus taxes month. If could get this down to around $470.00 month plus taxes while increasing miles to 16k does this seem like a good deal? Am also looking at G8 GT and this is leasing out rather high! Any input appreciated.

carsonotk

Please read some of the recent posts on leasing. You can't get a good deal when you negotiate in terms of monthly payment, and there is no way to compare yours to other deals that way. What is the cap cost, lease rate, and term of the lease?

dmargo2

The A4 I ordered will hopefully be coming in soon..its a 2009 2.0 A4 Prestige with Navigation. Any ideas what the lease programs would be (30 vs. 36K) at 18000/year and if folks think waiting until November will be a good idea to decrease monthly payment? Thanks in advance as well. Also, if anyone has an A4 Prestige...are you still thrilled with it?
thanks Dave

alwaysarookie

Folks I am getting the following deal
A4 - 2009 with premium package - 10k miles a year, MSRP $35080
Down Payment $1000 + security
Monthly $470 for 36 months.

Does that sound like a good deal? I am thinking about putting an counter offer for $450 a month.

Thanks in advance

soccerandlost

alwaysa rookie,

As you will see if you review the posts on this thread and others dealing with leases, you really should not negotiate based on monthly price -- you are doing yourself a disservice. Start by negotiating the price of the car as if you were going to buy it. (This will be called the capitalized cost on your lease paperwork). Then find out from the host of this board (i) the residual value for the model you want with the options/packages you want for the time period and mileage you want (the residual rate will fluctuate based on these factors, but is a "hard" number that generally is not negotiable); and (ii) the money factor (i.e., interest rate) as you are essentially financing the depreciation of the vehicle (there generally isn't room for negotiation on this point, either, so long as the dealer isn't marking up the base rate that Car_Man will give you).

If you negotiate based on monthly price, you will almost certainly be talked into putting money down. If so, you're really not getting a better deal, you're just pre-paying some of your monthly lease costs (although you will not be financing those amounts, so you will save on interest for those amounts). Conventional wisdom is that you shouldn't make any capital cost reductions (i.e., down payments) on leased vehicles, as you don't have any equity in the vehicle and if it's totaled as you drive off the lot you will lose the money.

robger99

A few questions in order to compare to what im shopping. How much is security deposit or TOTAL out of pocket. Does payment include sales tax and does car have any options-I assume so with sticker price being over 35k. I usually shop for lease by monthly payment but I do a lot of reasearch and put very little cap cost reduction and I think i usually come out with a fair to good deal. I kind of have a sense on what a good lease payment is going to be and what isnt depending on the car. This car is brand new and Ive heard Audi sales are not down as much as a lot of manufacturers so the deal will not be as aggressive. Let me know as Im shopping this car as well. Also the g35 and cts.

alwaysarookie

The Cap cost is $33850
- It comes with the premium package - 6cd change, bluetooth & ipod interface
- 36 months
- 10k/ year

Thanks for you help fellas

jd25

Did you look into the Audi lease deal... in LA area Audi is offering $419/mo + $2918 (at lease inception) for a Premium A4...

cdepaola

Just picked up my 09 A4 Quattro with Premium Plus and here is the deal I secured.

MSRP = 37,525.00
Adjusted Cap Cost = 35,000.00
57% residual
36 months
12000 miles
No money down
Taxes rolled in
_____________________________
$580.00 per month

sptcpa

Hi:
Best deal I have heard of yet. Can you tell me where?
Thanks,
Steve

rxke

HI

Congrats. Sounds like a good deal off MSRP. What was the interest rate? What city/dealer did you receive this pricing? Enjoy the car. It really handles well. I am considering the A4 as you and the AWD TL.

RXKE

keitarou

Hi all,

What do you guys think about this deal I have on the table?

A LEASE FOR 36 MONTHS 15,000 miles on an A4 with premium pkg and navigation is $539 per month tax included with $1749. due at signing That is just inception fees no cap cost reduction the money factor is.00186 and the residual is 57%.

Unfortuately I don't have the selling price of the car.

I am also considering a 2009 Lexus IS 250 AWD for same term and miles for $546 per month (tax inc) with $1597.13 due at inception. MF is .0014 with residual of 53%.

Thanks for your responses.

rjlaero

Power-wise, the IS250 has less than 200 lb ft of torque out of a V6 - way underpowered for an AWD car. The new 2009 2.0T A4 smokes that car, and it's far more comfortable inside and a lot more room.

For the same money, I'd take the new '09 A4 all day long.

nymini

Keitarou,

The Audi deal sounds not bad. I m in NYC also. Can you please tell me know which dealer/salesman you get it from. Maybe we could go together to knock down more Thanks