I got this from the May '00 issue of Motor Trend. They did a comparison of "full size" pickups. They rated the biggest, baddest Chevy Silverado 1500 with the 5.3 L V8 and the 4.1 gears(which by the way is only rated to tow 8000lbs).
They also rated the biggest F150 with the 5.4L V8 and the Dodge 1500 with 5.9L against the Tundra Access Cab V8.
You would think that this would be a mismatch. The Silverado does have that barcolounger rear seat. The Big3 engines are much bigger.
Here is the conclusion of the Motor Trend article:
"And the winner is... Which to Pick? In terms of overall performance and sophistication - on road and off - we have to say Tundra."
Oh! - I forgot Big3 posters in this topic don't believe anything that is in magazines. That is because the magazines all say that the Tundra is The best full size 1/2 ton pickup. You prefer to get your info from Billy Bob down the road a piece. (or hicksrme) LOL
We have only seen this same post a 100X in different topics. Quit crying and give it a rest. Your magazine articles don't hold up to real world experiences. Experiences where people actually use their trucks for more than hauling play gear to the occasional cricket game.
This here country too strong thanks too them Armed Forces (God Bless em), too ever fall from that outside. But.... its them folks on that inside that would take that freedom from ya, like that thief in that night. Them forien infratratiors and such. That be where that UAW and others, who be belieivin in buyin America be standin strong now. They be the keeper of freedom, why the yuppie, chasin that $$$$$ would sell ya out slick and quick. Just look bout what be happenin too us farmers for the answer on that one. Use your eyes, cuz we be under attack day in and out for sure. God bless that UAW, beatin back them outsiders who would take from us all, but give nothin back in return now. Ponder this one. Good luck on this one now!
I've had an F-150 Lariat Supercab since Oct. l997. The only problems I've had are that the yellow check engine light kept coming on and it took the dealer four different trips to finally figure out what was wrong. Some kind of module that cost about 600 dollars under warranty. I also found out to my dismay that in order to align the front end you have to buy a camber kit that costs about $170 to install. I was a little irritated. Otherwise its a good truck. Hard to park sometimes. When my lease was about to run out I test drove a Tundra SR5. I sat in the back seat. It was pathetic. My adult daughters don't much care for the seat in my F150 but they hated the Tundra's seat. Plus it was cloth. You have to pay a mint for a Tundra Ltd. in order to get leather.
Other than the backseat, how did you like the Tundra? I sat in the Tundra's back seat a while back also. It would be ok for shorter trips, but a lot of the room depends on how far the front seats are ahead.
I've ridden in all the current half tons. The chevy is the only one with a truly comfortable backseat. There was no size difference in the back seats of the ford and Toyota. However, the Tundra back seat had thicker cushions with headrest. The f-150 has no rear headrest.
Actually, the Tundra has the most front seat leg room of any of the trucks you listed. When I have adult friends riding in the back of my Tundra, I slide the front seat forward (it is easy to do this since it has the most front seat leg room.) I have never had any complaints. It has more rear seat room than many compacts.
It is not a luxolounger back there, but that is not what I wanted. I like the shorter wheelbase, less weight, and shorter overall size that results from the smaller rear seat. It has the tightest turning radius, is more maneuverable, easier to park and it easily fits in my garage.
I really don't give a damn whether the Big3 owners think that it is full size or not. If they bought houses the way they bought trucks, they would all be living in barns.
It has a higher payload rating than the Chevy and you would have to go with a 5.3 liter and 4.1 gears(gulp) to get 900lbs. more tow rating. The base Tundra V8 will tow 7100 lbs and it comes standard with oil and transmission coolers. The base Chevy V8 will only tow 5000 lbs and does not come with the coolers. This tells me that the Tundra has a heavier duty standard suspension and still rides much better. I don't know how Toyota did it.
Even though the Tundra does not have as much cab volume it does everything else you would want a full size pickup to do.
I don't give a damn how many Tundras Toyota sells. The T100 never sold many and yet it has far better resale than any of the Big3 trucks. The Tundra is a much improved truck - less expensive and more powerful. Like having your cake and eating it too.
I wasn't really attacking the LS but I find it hard to believe that an offering from Lincoln is considered in the same light against foreign competitors. It appears that since it was "new"--it must be the choice of the year. Same goes for the Tundra. That was my only point.
I will be glad to come to your side and defend the Tundra if you help me bash Rocles the Chevy loser. Trucksrme I will take your said if you help me bash on that Chevy loser Rocles.
When I test drove the Tundra, I'll admit that I liked it. The engine was very peppy. The ride was pretty smooth and quiet but we were mainly on suburban paved streets so there wasn't that much difference between it and my F-150. As far as the observable quality of the interior, it was nice but cloth. My main gripe with the back seat was that it was too straight up. I agree with rwellbaum2 that the Chevy has the most comfortable rear seat but I would never consider a Chevy or Dodge. They don't pass too many repair shops without making a visit. Now let's see the messages begin to pour in.
Folks be askin what I be ownin so here it be. Be workin a 1952 GMC on that farm, got a tank strapped on it now. For just driven, got me a 1965 Impala SS with the last of them 409 ones in er. That 52 be belongin too Rube now, but he got too old for workin, so I be workin it mostly now. Franklin got em a 2000 Silverado, but he wont much let no one drive it for sure. We also got us a 1947 Ford with a flattie, that bout all them folks who be workin on this farm be sharin and such.
I'm happy to say that Toyota still believes in human workers. All of the welds on the Tundra frame are done by a human being receiving a fair salary. Look at the spot(spotty)welds on your silverado bed. Use your eye on Franklin's, trucksforme. The spot welds on the inside of the bed lip look like a malfunctioning robot was at work. They are randomly spaced and the distance from the top of the bed varies up to 3-4 of an inch. Typical GM poor quality. The back seat is still very comfortable, almost car-like.
Looks like the Tundra demand is greater than the supply to me. Why else could Toyota raise the base price of the SR5 by $300 and the Limited by $500 for trucks delivered after 2/1/00? Also, I think that the Tundra has sold more units in its first year than the T100 sold in its last 3 years combined. The thing that hurt the T100 more than anything was the lack of a V8.
I know there are a lot of folks that use their trucks for construction and other types of work, and that's fine. One of the big3 may be better suited for your needs. But it seems that many people who post on here forget about the guys like me that need/want a pickup for recreational activities like hunting and fishing. The Tundra, especially the extended cab 4x4, fits these needs perfectly while being a joy to drive to work.
Trucksrme: you have a misprint in post #630. Mileage is supposed to be 45,000.
Working a truck that old is a joke. I've driven an old Chevy like that and there such pieces of crap that it doesn't even pay to start them up to do anything with 'em. No power, small, and uncomforable to drive down the road. You think the Tundra is small, those antique trucks are a hell of a lot smaller than the Tundra! You should really get a full sized truck.
"Its becomin obvious that them yuppies be gettin bored with them trucks and will soon be movin on to the chasin of that next fad, I just be prayin it aint tractors."
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Trend. They did a comparison of "full size"
pickups. They rated the biggest, baddest Chevy
Silverado 1500 with the 5.3 L V8 and the 4.1
gears(which by the way is only rated to tow
8000lbs).
They also rated the biggest F150 with the 5.4L V8
and the Dodge 1500 with 5.9L against the Tundra
Access Cab V8.
You would think that this would be a mismatch.
The Silverado does have that barcolounger rear
seat. The Big3 engines are much bigger.
Here is the conclusion of the Motor Trend article:
"And the winner is... Which to Pick? In terms of
overall performance and sophistication - on road
and off - we have to say Tundra."
Here are some facts:
4/10/00 Toyota Tundra is Consumer Reports Top Pick
for Full Sized Pickup in 2000!
http://www.consumerreports.org/news/autos/Reports/toppick.htm
3/3/00 Toyota's New Millennium Truck
http://truckworld.com/Truck-Tests/Toyota-Tundra/tundra.html
1/9/00 4-Wheel & Off-Road Magazine 4x4 Truck of
the Year!
12/22/99 Motor Trend Magazine announces the 2000
Toyota Tundra as the Truck of the Year!
http://www.motortrend.com/
5/4/00 Toyota vehicles dominate this year's
quality survey rankings by J.D. Power
http://cnnfn.com/2000/05/04/companies/wires/carsurvey_wg/
Oh! - I forgot Big3 posters in this topic don't
believe anything that is in magazines. That is
because the magazines all say that the Tundra is
The best full size 1/2 ton pickup.
You prefer to get your info from Billy Bob down
the road a piece. (or hicksrme) LOL
We have only seen this same post a 100X in different topics. Quit crying and give it a rest.
Your magazine articles don't hold up to real world experiences. Experiences where people actually use their trucks for more than hauling play gear to the occasional cricket game.
The only problems I've had are that the yellow check engine light kept coming on and it took the dealer four different trips to finally figure out what was wrong. Some kind of module that cost about 600 dollars under warranty. I also found out to my dismay that in order to align the front end you have to buy a camber kit that costs about $170 to install. I was a little irritated. Otherwise its a good truck. Hard to park sometimes. When my lease was about to run out I test drove a Tundra SR5. I sat in the back seat. It was pathetic. My adult daughters don't much care for the seat in my F150 but they hated the Tundra's seat. Plus it was cloth. You have to pay a mint for a Tundra Ltd. in order to get leather.
It is not a luxolounger back there, but that is not what I wanted. I like the shorter wheelbase, less weight, and shorter overall size that results from the smaller rear seat. It has the tightest turning radius, is more maneuverable, easier to park and it easily fits in my garage.
I really don't give a damn whether the Big3 owners think that it is full size or not. If they bought houses the way they bought trucks, they would all be living in barns.
It has a higher payload rating than the Chevy and you would have to go with a 5.3 liter and 4.1 gears(gulp) to get 900lbs. more tow rating. The base Tundra V8 will tow 7100 lbs and it comes standard with oil and transmission coolers. The base Chevy V8 will only tow 5000 lbs and does not come with the coolers. This tells me that the Tundra has a heavier duty standard suspension and still rides much better. I don't know how Toyota did it.
Even though the Tundra does not have as much cab volume it does everything else you would want a full size pickup to do.
I don't give a damn how many Tundras Toyota sells. The T100 never sold many and yet it has far better resale than any of the Big3 trucks. The Tundra is a much improved truck - less expensive and more powerful. Like having your cake and eating it too.
I wasn't really attacking the LS but I find it hard to believe that an offering from Lincoln is considered in the same light against foreign competitors. It appears that since it was "new"--it must be the choice of the year. Same goes for the Tundra. That was my only point.
Rocles...you listening? I hope you Chevy get them door cracks too. You Chevy sucks...Buy a Ford looser!
Dodgeram,
Rocles, is a Ford man to the core!
Swift---
Look at the spot(spotty)welds on your silverado bed. Use your eye on Franklin's, trucksforme. The spot welds on the inside of the bed lip look like a malfunctioning robot was at work. They are randomly spaced and the distance from the top of the bed varies up to 3-4 of an inch. Typical GM poor quality. The back seat is still very comfortable, almost car-like.
I know there are a lot of folks that use their trucks for construction and other types of work, and that's fine. One of the big3 may be better suited for your needs. But it seems that many people who post on here forget about the guys like me that need/want a pickup for recreational activities like hunting and fishing. The Tundra, especially the extended cab 4x4, fits these needs perfectly while being a joy to drive to work.
Trucksrme: you have a misprint in post #630. Mileage is supposed to be 45,000.
Working a truck that old is a joke. I've driven an old Chevy like that and there such pieces of crap that it doesn't even pay to start them up to do anything with 'em. No power, small, and uncomforable to drive down the road. You think the Tundra is small, those antique trucks are a hell of a lot smaller than the Tundra! You should really get a full sized truck.
"Its becomin obvious that them yuppies be gettin bored with them trucks and will soon be movin on to the chasin of that next fad, I just be prayin it aint tractors."
That next fad would be called the 2001 Tundras!
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